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jimbo;1080370 wrote: i stopped calling our taffy cousins that ,when one of my mates called a taffy a sheep lover :rolleyes:



he said you lot are worse, you think we do that yet you still eat them i cracked up but he had a good point i think :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


lmao...mint sauce anyone:yh_rotfl

spot;1080361 wrote: Hang on mate, you sent them Ned Kelly too, remember?


Watch it Welshy, we haven't forgotten that whole St Patrick robbing all the snakes out of Ireland and selling them in Swansea (we know what his little game was). In return we got Christianity, which was another great reason to have a fight. :guitarist

Oh you'll get yours, don't think you can hide behind England forever boyo, we'll be over to strap you to Ivor the Engine and derail your eistedfodd real quick. :yh_rotfl



GO ON IRELAND YOU MAD LADS! :driving:

Galbally;1080378 wrote: Watch it Welshy, we haven't forgotten that whole St Patrick robbing all the snakes out of Ireland and selling them in Swansea (we know what his little game was). In return we got Christianity, which was another great reason to have a fight. :guitarist

Oh you'll get yours, don't think you can hide behind England forever boyo, we'll be over to strap you to Ivor the Engine and derail your eistedfodd real quick. :yh_rotfl



GO ON IRELAND YOU MAD LADS! :driving:


Don't you dare call him Welshy, he's no more welshy than I am, Bristol is not WALES:D

Spot is just in love with the thought of being Welsh, cant say I blame him, lamb is rather tender round the rump:yh_rotfl

Galbally;1080378 wrote: Oh you'll get yours, don't think you can hide behind England forever boyo, we'll be over to strap you to Ivor the Engine and derail your eistedfodd real quick. :yh_rotflAnyone who can spell Eisteddfod... let me rephrase that. Anyone who can get all the letters in Eisteddfod right can't be all bad. Even our Bards have Congress one a year, see?

spot;1080386 wrote: Anyone who can spell Eisteddfod... let me rephrase that. Anyone who can get all the letters in Eisteddfod right can't be all bad. Even our Bards have Congress one a year, see?


Eisteddfod Genedlaethol Cymru Meirion a’r Cyffiniau 2009

1 - 8 AWST 2009:-6

fuzzy butt;1080392 wrote: We blame the Welsh for that stupid word ? good I knew we had to blame someone!!! Every single bloody year we have that damn thing . pisses everyone off. ..................Trust me in a small town it really does come around to soon .

I cringe thinking i have to sit and listen to half a dozen violinists and bloody piano students who's teachers think they are the next Mozart.

so it's the Welsh fault?

Damn the Welsh !!!!!!! I say we nuke 'em!!!!

Sounds too much? sounds violent? over the top?

If you've ever had to sit through an Eisteddfod you'd want to as well!!!!


Pfft...You should be thanking us, we give you Eisteddfod and Sheep:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

spot;1080372 wrote: My first post went entirely unanswered. My second post also went entirely unanswered. Both were relevant responses to the opening post. Perhaps the trouble with the tone of the thread is the way the opening post sounded?


The thread decended into a bash fest. And what gets me is that some posters start saying "omg....look everyone is fighting" fgs...of course they are...look at the tone of the thread. There was no debate there...just bashing. And then everyone trys to pretend they did not participate. "America implodes" LOL....ya right...thats debate...NOT.

spot;1080386 wrote: Anyone who can spell Eisteddfod... let me rephrase that. Anyone who can get all the letters in Eisteddfod right can't be all bad. Even our Bards have Congress one a year, see?


Well I am Celt, but we are the other version, the Q-ones; your the poncy P-ones (is that right or is it the other way around?).

Anyway, our Druids would kick your bard's arses. :guitarist

fuzzy butt;1080392 wrote: We blame the Welsh for that stupid word ? good I knew we had to blame someone!!! Every single bloody year we have that damn thing . pisses everyone off. ..................Trust me in a small town it really does come around to soon .

I cringe thinking i have to sit and listen to half a dozen violinists and bloody piano students who's teachers think they are the next Mozart.

so it's the Welsh fault?

Damn the Welsh !!!!!!! I say we nuke 'em!!!!

Sounds too much? sounds violent? over the top?

If you've ever had to sit through an Eisteddfod you'd want to as well!!!!


You don't have any nukes, you will have to borrow one, for a "lend" from someone else. The Iranians might be able to give you a loan of one in about 12 months.

WHOOPS DID I MENTION IRAN?

OH NO :rolleyes:

fuzzy butt;1080373 wrote: Ahhh I see it's The Sheep Dip wars you lean on eh? wide tooth combs

*turns her nose up in disgust*

I shall see your 46 lads and up you an army of twenty natives wielding ornathorincus platipi above their heads . (worked the last time)

I'll be damned if I live to see another Irish Prime minister in this country!!!!

Buddha bless Australia!!!!!

GO THE WALLABIES

And waltzing matilda!!!! ........................Damn another Irish song.:-5


Go on you mad things, fight in New Zealand after School, about 2011. No weapons. :guitarist

Touchstone;1080302 wrote: Time for me to re-enter the fray i think.

So o constantly laughing one ... is that why it took the British Government so long to stop terrorising and suppressing the people of Northern Ireland?

Three decades if my memory serves me correct.

Ryan.


You should have the answer to that one yourself oh wise one. :rolleyes:

Half your Governments funded and support the IRA

Touchstone;1080306 wrote: Yep Megan ... as I mentioned before your very hostile ... sarcastic and cynical but I am very pleased that you are at least lettting off steam and getting your thoughts and prejudices on paper. It can't be very healthy to have so much hatred bottled up inside!

Let it all out honey ... you'll feel much better!

Ryan.


If any one has got any brains, they will see that there are jerks like you who deliberately post goading threads just to incite your anti-American chip on your shoulder.

Luckily, the reason you stand out like a skunk in a heatwave is because no other American (except for Jester at times), on this forum, is like you.

[QUOTE=Galbally;1080316]

No we don't like wars, unless they are against other Irish people, which we love and can't get enough of, but don't call wars, we call them "The Troubles" or "The difficulties" or "The Spot of Bother". Occasionally also we have a go at the Brits just for a bit of devilment, but they are quite powerful so we can only go so far before the get annoyed and call around to our place and beat the crap out of us again.

YOU SAID IT BROTHER :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

NOW WHERE'S GMC??

spot;1080330 wrote: The Internet's a wonderful teaching tool. Who would ever have thought Americans were really like this under that skim of civilization?


I'm off to party tonight with the old troops at The Royal British Legion. It's also to do with the record takings we had in poppy week. (Staple Hill... £19,000 alone).

I can't wait to tell The Colonel that we would never have done it without America.

I should imagine a few wetting their incontinence pads with the hilarity. :yh_rotfl

AussiePam;1080331 wrote: Can we get things in a bit of perspective.

ForumGarden has 12,028 members.

This thread was started by Touchstone, an American with strong views (WSV) - the opening post was kind of defiant, in a way that would flush out other WSV members.

Oscar, a WSV Brit entered the fray, followed by Brit WSV Spot. Then we got Jester, a WSV American.

Mild entries from a Canadian, a couple of Brits, one Israeli. Then one WSV Australian. A few mild Americans, one mild Brit and one informed and peaceable Irishman.

In all, less than 20 posters of which five have strong views which they are very ready to express - strongly - two Americans, two Brits, one Aussie.

A brawl between five people amongst the whole membership of Forum Garden is not institutionalised bashing of any country. It is five people - very likely not at all representative of their country - disagreeing noisily amongst themselves.


Extremely well said Pam :D:D

jimbo;1080351 wrote: i blame gordon brown for the whole thing :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl





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Now stop it Jimbo. Tou'll make Oscar Wilde. You know very well that it is the Great leader Gordon Brown who has declared to pull the troops out of Iraq because it is a pointless war and he's sick of the Bush regime.

It was the lying (I swear to you people of Great Britain that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction), back stabbing Judas Tony Blair that took us into Iraq and Gordon Brown booted him out.

I watched an American presenter interview Tony Blair this week on some American prog on Sky. What cracked me up, was the American audience whooping with joy, clapping and applauding every word that came out of his mouth. He just sat there lying as usual. :yh_rotfl

fuzzy butt;1080479 wrote: AAAwwwhhh you're no fun!!!!



Awwwhhh do you think they'll be kind enough?, i don't trust that little fella though what'sis'name?

Well you know what they say at Malty Plowers:sneaky: "Just don't mention the war."







Steady!!!! Steady on!!!!!


We have some nice nukes that you could borrow Fuzzy. Only because us British are not stupid, we house them in Scotland. It's also where the oil is, so that gives us an excuse to invade any time we like.

The Americans have some nukes in Poland pointing at Iran (at the moment). Bush doesn't seem to understand that Poland is part of the EU. :sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:

AussiePam;1080331 wrote: Can we get things in a bit of perspective.

ForumGarden has 12,028 members.

This thread was started by Touchstone, an American with strong views (WSV) - the opening post was kind of defiant, in a way that would flush out other WSV members.

Oscar, a WSV Brit entered the fray, followed by Brit WSV Spot. Then we got Jester, a WSV American.

Mild entries from a Canadian, a couple of Brits, one Israeli. Then one WSV Australian. A few mild Americans, one mild Brit and one informed and peaceable Irishman.

In all, less than 20 posters of which five have strong views which they are very ready to express - strongly - two Americans, two Brits, one Aussie.

A brawl between five people amongst the whole membership of Forum Garden is not institutionalised bashing of any country. It is five people - very likely not at all representative of their country - disagreeing noisily amongst themselves.




The US are my neighbours, and I am damn proud of them.

They always have done what no other country could have.

Are are we not still all alive?

-and those who believe 911 was the fault of the United States? -Perhaps try living it!

Isn't Thanksgiving to be thankful for what we all have?

stop bashing the US!

Aussie Pam, well done!

fuzzy butt;1080492 wrote: Nah Nukes don't go with the landscape here.....................It's a fashion thing.

But we do sell uranium.........We're good for that at least :wah:

How about We do a swap? you guys invade Scotland hand it over to us and we'll give you Pine Gap............pretty little place out back, well protected .


Sorry Fuzz, just couldn't resist getting my fav band in here. just for you and the wizard of Oz

YouTube - The Stranglers - Nuclear Device

RT: News : US to invade Iran any day now?

spot;1080317 wrote: It is, if you'll forgive my contradicting you, a sickness which has cost a multitude of lives over the last few centuries. On the sports field it's considered uncouth. The way in which, time and again, self-important proud strutting military organizations have had their noses rubbed in their own widdle over the last fifty years can only be regarded as overdue and necessary. Long may it continue.

The Taliban have expanded their footprint in Afghanistan and now have a permanent presence in nearly three-quarters of the country, according to a new report.

The Paris-based International Council on Security and Development, a think tank that maintains full-time offices in Afghanistan, said the Taliban have spread across much of the country and are beginning to encircle the capital, Kabul.

The group said Taliban fighters have advanced out of southern Afghanistan, a region where they often hold de facto governing power, and carry out regular attacks in western and northwestern Afghanistan as well as in and around Kabul. Taliban forces can be found in 72% of Afghanistan, up from 54% a year earlier.

Taliban Expanding Foothold in Afghanistan, Report Finds - WSJ.com






Of course I forgive you! Think nothing of it.

But why all this intelligence about the Taliban?

Isn't this thread called:

"We Won ... The IRAQ War Is Over."



Ryan.

jimbo;1080619 wrote: please say it aint so :(





scrat where are you buddy :-3:-3


There has to be a reason for Troops to withdraw from Iraq. Just think of it as a transfer to Southampton :yh_rotfl

jimbo;1080619 wrote: please say it aint so :(





scrat where are you buddy :-3:-3


YouTube - Stranglers - Shah Shah a go go

wildhorses;1080319 wrote: :yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag




Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!

GO TEAM USA!

Ryan.

Touchstone;1080674 wrote: Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!

GO TEAM USA!

Ryan.


What a sad attitude? SAD SAD SAD SAD :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

spot;1080321 wrote: You can't defend your country by basing your armed forces on a different continent. All that does is breeds resentment and ill-will.




The terrorists responsible for 9/11 are based on a different continent.

How then do you believe we should defend ourselves against another possible attack like this?

Ryan.

oscar;1080682 wrote: What a sad attitude? SAD SAD SAD SAD :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


said by a raving Gordon Brown Lover:-3???? Oscar you got more front than Sainsburys:yh_rotfl

spot;1080372 wrote: My first post went entirely unanswered. My second post also went entirely unanswered. Both were relevant responses to the opening post. Perhaps the trouble with the tone of the thread is the way the opening post sounded?


There is nothing at all wrong with "the way the opening post sounded."

It was a statement which I made and it does not reflect the views of any other American on these boards!

I may have missed something among all the personal stuff but so far I have yet to read anything that has contradicted it!

Ryan.

oscar;1080451 wrote: If any one has got any brains, they will see that there are jerks like you who deliberately post goading threads just to incite your anti-American chip on your shoulder.

Luckily, the reason you stand out like a skunk in a heatwave is because no other American (except for Jester at times), on this forum, is like you.


Firstly Oscar, I am at a loss to understand why you felt it necessary to reply on Megan's behalf. From what little I know of her she seems to be a very intelligent and capable young lady.

Secondly I am both extremely disappointed and saddened that you should have felt it appropriate to respond in such a malicious and insulting way.

I wish you well and hope that you will keep on laughing!

Ryan.

Touchstone;1080738 wrote: Firstly Oscar, I am at a loss to understand why you felt it necessary to reply on Megan's behalf. From what little I know of her she seems to be a very intelligent and capable young lady.

Secondly I am both extremely disappointed and saddened that you should have felt it appropriate to respond in such a malicious and insulting way.

I wish you well and hope that you will keep on laughing!

Ryan.


Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

It's what many of us do Ryan, that's why it is a forum and not a platform which you seem to think it is. What do you think you are doing when you cheer on a fellow American's post with 'Go team'? I have never seen anyone else do that on this forum and it's childish of you. I'm sure Wildhorses post stands on it's on merits without you whooping 'Go team'. You just make yourself look ridiculous and i respond to that, not every other American on here as you are trying to imply and goad into.

Don't try and insult my intelligence that you are now hurt, dissapointed, insulted blah blah blah. Your thread was deliberately provocative to engage. One of your first posts on here was to 'Worm out Spot'. That tells me that you wrote your post believing (wrongly) that Spot is anti-American and you wrote it to deliberately for him to engage in anti-American report. You failed only because Spot is more of a gentleman and scholar than you could ever aspire to be.

So yes, i will keep on laughing however, i do apologise for putting the 'Charlie's' in after your posts. my mistake, they should have been these:

:yh_chickn:yh_cowboy:yh_cowboy:yh_cowboy

Chezzie;1080709 wrote: said by a raving Gordon Brown Lover:-3???? Oscar you got more front than Sainsburys:yh_rotfl


I know :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl



THE GEEZER IN NO 10

Touchstone;1079798 wrote: By every measure, The United States and coalition forces have conclusively defeated all enemies in Iraq, pacified the country, deposed the previous regime, successfully helped to establish a new functioning democratic government, and suppressed any lingering insurgencies. The war has come to an end. And we won.

What more indication do you need? An announcement from the outgoing Bush administration? It's not gonna happen. An announcement from the incoming Obama administration? That's really not gonna happen. A declaration of victory by the media? Please. Don't make me laugh. A concession of surrender by what few remaining insurgents remain in hiding? Forget about it.

The moment has come to acknowledge the obvious. To overtly declare a fact that has already been true for quite some time now. Let me repeat:

WE WON THE WAR IN IRAQ


This is not a link. It is not a statement from Bush. It is not a statement from Obama.

It is merely your opinion that the war has been won.

I see your opening post as code for: 'Right guys, we need a damn good excuse to save ourselves from another failed invasion and more embarressment. We can't let the world see that we have lost and are re-treating-- so front it out guys and we'll go down in history as the nation that saved the Iraq people from oppression'.



:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Touchstone;1080643 wrote: Of course I forgive you! Think nothing of it.

But why all this intelligence about the Taliban?

Isn't this thread called:

"We Won ... The IRAQ War Is Over."



Ryan.


Because the US has absolutely no exit strategy from Iraq which will leave behind it an Iraq which is an ally of the US or even as good as neutral towards its interests. The only way an independent Iraqi government can retain power is by denouncing the invasion and strong-arming compliance the way the Ba'athists did, it's that sort of country and the electorate will insist on it. Exactly as in Vietnam.

When did the US last withdraw from any country it invaded and see a pro-US administration governing the place five years later? I said that at the beginning, I dealt with Iraq back then, that's why I mentioned the Taliban now. I was rushing to start the day and I wanted to drop that Wall Street Journal link onto the site somewhere, this thread seemed quickest and reasonably relevant.

I look upon the operations in Afghanistan as necessary to root out jihadi terrorism and prevent another 9/11 in the US homeland.

Let’s keep our eyes on the ball here. The whole area is infested with people who think killing non-Muslims is a good way to get to heaven. Al-Queda was the first group to jump the ocean with a spectacular way to kill lots of infidels; there’s no reason to assume that they’re going to be the last.

We’ve got to stop them from getting WMDs and we’ve got to somehow pick out and kill the worst of the fanatics before they hatch another mass-murder plot, and we’d really rather do it without incinerating millions of civilians in the process.

A military presence in the Middle East, preferably in a good strategic spot such as Iraq, is absolutely imperative, and if it brings the jihadis out of hiding, that makes it easier to find them and kill them. The bad guys are not winning, and we’d need to keep fighting them even if they were.



Ryan.

Touchstone;1080871 wrote: I look upon the operations in Afghanistan as necessary to root out jihadi terrorism and prevent another 9/11 in the US homeland.



Ryan.


The pilots in the planes in 9/11 were Saudi.

What proof do you have that there are Al-Quaeda future terrorists in Afghanistan?

Dam, it's another broken record....can we get a new one put on.

wildhorses;1080325 wrote: If you dont like it....tough ****. We will defend ourselves the way we see fit. Ya all of you peons would like it if we did not defend ourselves. Thats the only way ANY of you can hope to have equal power. You cant bring yourselves up to our level of power, so you hope to god we fall or falter. Aint gonna happen. You dont want to like us? So be it. Who cares?


That smacks of paranoia - I don't think anyone here wants America to fail and not just because the consequences for us all would be too dire to be contemplated.

We do, however, dispute the effectiveness of defending yourself by invading whoever upsets you - it doesn't work and it stirs up trouble for everyone else.

Neither does alienating your friends help - especially the ones who've fought alongside you in most of the major conflicts of the last hundred years.

If, instead of going off like a firecracker at the suggestion that US Policy might not be the perfect solution to the current situation, you came up with a reasoned defence of that policy, we could even reach a point of agreement somewhere.

Bryn Mawr;1080990 wrote: That smacks of paranoia - I don't think anyone here wants America to fail and not just because the consequences for us all would be too dire to be contemplated.

We do, however, dispute the effectiveness of defending yourself by invading whoever upsets you - it doesn't work and it stirs up trouble for everyone else.

Neither does alienating your friends help - especially the ones who've fought alongside you in most of the major conflicts of the last hundred years.

If, instead of going off like a firecracker at the suggestion that US Policy might not be the perfect solution to the current situation, you came up with a reasoned defence of that policy, we could even reach a point of agreement somewhere.


Good evening Bryn. I can't stop tonight as i'm just off out to hoof the night away with those funny old people who won the war.... now what were they called again??? Oh yeah WW11 veterans.

Catch you all later,

Oscar

wildhorses;1080336 wrote: Jester is right. You are all stupid dumasses. You think we live in a civilized world and that humans are civilized. Well we dont live in a civilized world. Open your eyes and look at what is going on in the world. You call that civilized? Humans are not cilvilized. Humans are animals. Power cant be shared. Either you have the power over others or someone has power over you. Even if the power were to temporarily be equalized, it would soon fall off to one end again. The reason is because someone will always try to gain more power....and the world would soon fall back into struggle. The struggle for power. That is human nature. It is human nature to do battle. Some are afraid of that, but that is the way it is. Get used to it and stop fantasizing about something that can never be. To imagine that we can have a peaceful world is just ridiculous. Keep dreaming though, if it calms your nerves. Keep hiding from the truth....all of you. If you cant look around you and see the reality of the world that you live in, then there is really no hope for you.


With an attitude like that there is no hope for any of us - especially America.

You cannot fight all of the countries of the world just to prove that you're the toughest - at some point you need to do business with people rather than do the business on people.

If you take your philosophy to its conclusion you have total anarchy which ultimately ends up with the majority of the population as slaves. To prevent that people put safeguards and procedures in place to help them get on with life without constant fighting - they might break down occasionally but generally they allow people to rub along well enough.

The thing to do when the safeguards break down is not to tear them apart and resort to anarchy yourself but to strengthen them to stop them breaking again.

After 9/11 the US had the majority of the world on its side willing to help track down the criminals and bring them to justice. Bin Ladin had, at most, a few hundred men and very little chance of achieving anything outside the border badlands.

Then the US decided to ride roughshod over the world.

To give a government two weeks to hand over a man they did not have and had no power to get is unreasonable. To then invade that country a week later for their failure to hand him over is reprehensible and shows a prior intention to invade come what may. To then fail to capture the target just shows the initial demand as the impossibility it was.

You cannot fight terrorists with tanks and fighter aircraft - they are criminals and part of a larger population, you need a police operation not a military one.

This lack of reason and the amount of collateral damage caused by invading a country to get one man destroyed a lot of the good will and support that had been there after 9/11 - the invasion of Iraq (which had no possible connection to 9/11) just inflamed three quarters of the world and drove recruits to BIN Ladin in their tens of thousands.

For GWB to publicly call the War on Terror a crusade against Islamists then turned the rest of the Muslim world against the west and recruited tens of thousands more fighters to the cause.

To then threaten to invade any or all of half a dozen more Muslim countries (oh, and one Buddhist country for good measure) cemented the perception that this was a religious war.

US policy has created a hydra of massive proportions - for every head you chop off a dozen more spring up in its place. What was a few hundred outlaws with very little support has now become a clash of cultures that shows no sign of ending any time soon.

People here are not attacking America - but we're damn'd pissed off with your governments foreign policy.

I do not expect a peaceful world, there has been war somewhere on Earth every year for as far back as history goes, but neither do I expect the day of reckoning to be triggered by the country we look to to keep the peace - where now the Pax Americana?

Chezzie;1080366 wrote: stop messing about whats a THA and whats a WSV, I did google it but got cars, badmington and The World Society of Victimology


I think he meant TLA (Three Letter Acronym) of which Pam has invented a new variety - WSV (With Strong Views) to save her poor aching fingers from pounding the keyboard.

Bryn Mawr;1081073 wrote: I think he meant TLA (Three Letter Acronym) of which Pam has invented a new variety - WSV (With Strong Views) to save her poor aching fingers from pounding the keyboard.


thank you Bryn....I had W as world and V as veterans couldn't for the life of me think what the S stood for..DOH!!!

When Spot said with strong views it still didn't register hah hah:yh_rotfl

Touchstone;1080716 wrote: There is nothing at all wrong with "the way the opening post sounded."

It was a statement which I made and it does not reflect the views of any other American on these boards!

I may have missed something among all the personal stuff but so far I have yet to read anything that has contradicted it!

Ryan.


A statement involves fact and, if there's nothing wrong with it then why #4



Of course not! This is just a ploy to flush out Spot!

(At least you didn't find this thread as hilarious as the previous poster did. But then your an American.)

Ryan.