oscar;1424470 wrote: Its all semantics. It Is not a state funeral but a state like funeral with the emphasis that she Is not lying In State as Churchill did.
If the Queen gives her permission for any of the arrangements, I suppose that's her free choice. Of course she will be viewed as the partisan.
Care to answer the question?
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Bryn Mawr;1424473 wrote: Care to answer the question? Why bully me all night when you know the answer?
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oscar;1424475 wrote: Why bully me all night when you know the answer?
I've aimed two posts at you - the first asking a question and the second asking you to answer that question rather that dodge it. How is that bullying you all night?
If you want to pontificate throughout a thread and claim specialist knowledge then you must expect to be asked awkward questions.
I've aimed two posts at you - the first asking a question and the second asking you to answer that question rather that dodge it. How is that bullying you all night?
If you want to pontificate throughout a thread and claim specialist knowledge then you must expect to be asked awkward questions.
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Bryn Mawr;1424478 wrote: I've aimed two posts at you - the first asking a question and the second asking you to answer that question rather that dodge it. How is that bullying you all night?
If you want to pontificate throughout a thread and claim specialist knowledge then you must expect to be asked awkward questions. I haven't claimed any such thing. What I have said, Is that many years ago I studied the history of The British Trade Unions and I may still have my references somewhere In order to write a fairly educated post focusing of the Thatcher Government and the Unions of that period. That is not claiming specialist knowledge. In fact, I have clearly stated that I see both sides of the argument and I agree some of her policies were destructive.
What I fail to see Is embittered hatred of past generations when those affected by those policies can learn from her time In office and move on.
If Cameron and his puppet want to give her a state like funeral and the Queen wishes to attend, so what? Looking at the wider picture, It will televised throughout the world bringing revenue and visiting tourists will give the City of London revenue.
I object to Cameron doing a lot of things but such Is life...
If you want to pontificate throughout a thread and claim specialist knowledge then you must expect to be asked awkward questions. I haven't claimed any such thing. What I have said, Is that many years ago I studied the history of The British Trade Unions and I may still have my references somewhere In order to write a fairly educated post focusing of the Thatcher Government and the Unions of that period. That is not claiming specialist knowledge. In fact, I have clearly stated that I see both sides of the argument and I agree some of her policies were destructive.
What I fail to see Is embittered hatred of past generations when those affected by those policies can learn from her time In office and move on.
If Cameron and his puppet want to give her a state like funeral and the Queen wishes to attend, so what? Looking at the wider picture, It will televised throughout the world bringing revenue and visiting tourists will give the City of London revenue.
I object to Cameron doing a lot of things but such Is life...
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oscar;1424470 wrote: Its all semantics. It Is not a state funeral but a state like funeral with the emphasis that she Is not lying In State as Churchill did.
If the Queen gives her permission for any of the arrangements, I suppose that's her free choice. Of course she will be viewed as the partisan.
For someone that purports to have political ambitions you don't seem terribly interested in knowing how out political institutions are supposed to work and prefer your own fantasy. Mind you I suppose there are some on the anti-thatcher side of things who think as you do and will assume the queen backed thatcher all the way. Maybe republicanism will get a boost after all.
If Cameron and his puppet want to give her a state like funeral and the Queen wishes to attend, so what? Looking at the wider picture, It will televised throughout the world bringing revenue and visiting tourists will give the City of London revenue.
oh make up your mind will you. She either has the authority to order the funeral or has to do what she is told.
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The historical landmarks occurred during her reign and her time as PM.
I am on the same planet as those not eaten away by hatred
Her reign?:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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If the Queen gives her permission for any of the arrangements, I suppose that's her free choice. Of course she will be viewed as the partisan.
For someone that purports to have political ambitions you don't seem terribly interested in knowing how out political institutions are supposed to work and prefer your own fantasy. Mind you I suppose there are some on the anti-thatcher side of things who think as you do and will assume the queen backed thatcher all the way. Maybe republicanism will get a boost after all.
If Cameron and his puppet want to give her a state like funeral and the Queen wishes to attend, so what? Looking at the wider picture, It will televised throughout the world bringing revenue and visiting tourists will give the City of London revenue.
oh make up your mind will you. She either has the authority to order the funeral or has to do what she is told.
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The historical landmarks occurred during her reign and her time as PM.
I am on the same planet as those not eaten away by hatred
Her reign?:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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gmc;1424491 wrote: For someone that purports to have political ambitions you don't seem terribly interested in knowing how out political institutions are supposed to work and prefer your own fantasy. Mind you I suppose there are some on the anti-thatcher side of things who think as you do and will assume the queen backed thatcher all the way. Maybe republicanism will get a boost after all.
And for someone who purports to be Informed of Thatcher's reign :sneaky:, you seem to be deluded Into thinking still, that this Is a state funeral. Perhaps when you can finally grasp that It Is not, we may get somewhere.
There are many people like myself who believe the first woman Prime Minister can be seen off by her Party In any way they see fit.
Or are people like you just Mysoginistic, sexist elite who still believe women have no place In government.?
As for myself, seeing as you commented, my place at the moment Is firmly In local community. Although I seem to have drawn some parallel at the moment with Thatcher now parents at the local school think I'm a witch for double yellow lining the Close whih forces them to walk a few yards to the school gates.
Tell you what.... you thin you know so much about Thatcher.... go on, tell us this.... who actually sacked the most miners the ?
And for someone who purports to be Informed of Thatcher's reign :sneaky:, you seem to be deluded Into thinking still, that this Is a state funeral. Perhaps when you can finally grasp that It Is not, we may get somewhere.
There are many people like myself who believe the first woman Prime Minister can be seen off by her Party In any way they see fit.
Or are people like you just Mysoginistic, sexist elite who still believe women have no place In government.?
As for myself, seeing as you commented, my place at the moment Is firmly In local community. Although I seem to have drawn some parallel at the moment with Thatcher now parents at the local school think I'm a witch for double yellow lining the Close whih forces them to walk a few yards to the school gates.
Tell you what.... you thin you know so much about Thatcher.... go on, tell us this.... who actually sacked the most miners the ?
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oscar;1424501 wrote: And for someone who purports to be Informed of Thatcher's reign :sneaky:, you seem to be deluded Into thinking still, that this Is a state funeral. Perhaps when you can finally grasp that It Is not, we may get somewhere.
There are many people like myself who believe the first woman Prime Minister can be seen off by her Party In any way they see fit.
Or are people like you just Mysoginistic, sexist elite who still believe women have no place In government.?
As for myself, seeing as you commented, my place at the moment Is firmly In local community. Although I seem to have drawn some parallel at the moment with Thatcher now parents at the local school think I'm a witch for double yellow lining the Close whih forces them to walk a few yards to the school gates.
Tell you what.... you thin you know so much about Thatcher.... go on, tell us this.... who actually sacked the most miners the ?
No you numpty I would object to Blair getting a state funeral just as much and for the same reason. Do you read anything at all in these threads? Prime ministers in the UK do NOT get state funerals.
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There are many people like myself who believe the first woman Prime Minister can be seen off by her Party In any way they see fit.
Then let them pay for it not the taxpayer.
There are many people like myself who believe the first woman Prime Minister can be seen off by her Party In any way they see fit.
Or are people like you just Mysoginistic, sexist elite who still believe women have no place In government.?
As for myself, seeing as you commented, my place at the moment Is firmly In local community. Although I seem to have drawn some parallel at the moment with Thatcher now parents at the local school think I'm a witch for double yellow lining the Close whih forces them to walk a few yards to the school gates.
Tell you what.... you thin you know so much about Thatcher.... go on, tell us this.... who actually sacked the most miners the ?
No you numpty I would object to Blair getting a state funeral just as much and for the same reason. Do you read anything at all in these threads? Prime ministers in the UK do NOT get state funerals.
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There are many people like myself who believe the first woman Prime Minister can be seen off by her Party In any way they see fit.
Then let them pay for it not the taxpayer.
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This is a State funeral in all but name. Over the top and totally unwarranted
I approve of the turning ones back as the funeral procession passes.
I approve of the turning ones back as the funeral procession passes.
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gmc;1424515 wrote: . Prime ministers in the UK do NOT get state funerals.
. She Is not having a state funeral.
Have you worked out who actually sacked more miners than Thatcher yet or are you still googling for the answer?
. She Is not having a state funeral.
Have you worked out who actually sacked more miners than Thatcher yet or are you still googling for the answer?
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oscar;1424517 wrote: She Is not having a state funeral.
Have you worked out who actually sacked more miners than Thatcher yet or are you still googling for the answer?
No I am not falling for your feeble attempts to change the subject - as you usually try to do when you know you don't have a leg to stand on.
A state funeral is a public funeral ceremony, observing the strict rules of protocol, held to honour heads of state or other important people of national significance. State funerals usually include much pomp and ceremony as well as religious overtones and distinctive elements of military tradition.
It's also paid for by the state. This is wrong wrong wrong - it's an insult to the British people, Now they will have to give one to tony blair and gordon brown. They are the two biggest wankers we have had as prime minister, surely that deserves a state funeral as well.
Have you worked out who actually sacked more miners than Thatcher yet or are you still googling for the answer?
No I am not falling for your feeble attempts to change the subject - as you usually try to do when you know you don't have a leg to stand on.
A state funeral is a public funeral ceremony, observing the strict rules of protocol, held to honour heads of state or other important people of national significance. State funerals usually include much pomp and ceremony as well as religious overtones and distinctive elements of military tradition.
It's also paid for by the state. This is wrong wrong wrong - it's an insult to the British people, Now they will have to give one to tony blair and gordon brown. They are the two biggest wankers we have had as prime minister, surely that deserves a state funeral as well.
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I love the word wanker. It's so precisely descriptive, especially when used in the context of politicians such as Blair and Brown.
The whole funerial episode is an insult to Churchill who deserved his and had the support of the people
The whole funerial episode is an insult to Churchill who deserved his and had the support of the people
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gmc;1424522 wrote: No I am not falling for your feeble attempts to change the subject - as you usually try to do when you know you don't have a leg to stand on.
It's also paid for by the state. This is wrong wrong wrong - it's an insult to the British people, Now they will have to give one to tony blair and gordon brown. They are the two biggest wankers we have had as prime minister, surely that deserves a state funeral as well.
So basically, In a nut shell, you are admitting you have no Idea who sacked more miners than Thatcher? :wah:
Its not an attempt to change the subject, Its relevant. The Left peddles the notion that Thatcher brought about the suffering of mining communities. I am merely suggesting a further delve Into that era, or the government before her,
It's also paid for by the state. This is wrong wrong wrong - it's an insult to the British people, Now they will have to give one to tony blair and gordon brown. They are the two biggest wankers we have had as prime minister, surely that deserves a state funeral as well.
So basically, In a nut shell, you are admitting you have no Idea who sacked more miners than Thatcher? :wah:
Its not an attempt to change the subject, Its relevant. The Left peddles the notion that Thatcher brought about the suffering of mining communities. I am merely suggesting a further delve Into that era, or the government before her,
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This thread is going the way of most sessions of parliament, all point scoring on your own point.
Wilson closed more Mines, but without delving deeper as to the why's and wherefores, it has no relevence. It might be said they were unprofitable, natural wastage, but sure enough they were not sacrificed for some high faluting ideology, and each one closed a victory.
Wilson closed more Mines, but without delving deeper as to the why's and wherefores, it has no relevence. It might be said they were unprofitable, natural wastage, but sure enough they were not sacrificed for some high faluting ideology, and each one closed a victory.
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Bruv;1424560 wrote: This thread is going the way of most sessions of parliament, all point scoring on your own point.
Wilson closed more Mines, but without delving deeper as to the why's and wherefores, it has no relevence. It might be said they were unprofitable, natural wastage, but sure enough they were not sacrificed for some high faluting ideology, and each one closed a victory. It has every relevance. One of the very reasons she Is hated by so many In the North and Wales Is due to the mines. The fact that Wilson and Heath closed more mines In their short time than her 12 years Is extremely relevant.
Wilson closed more Mines, but without delving deeper as to the why's and wherefores, it has no relevence. It might be said they were unprofitable, natural wastage, but sure enough they were not sacrificed for some high faluting ideology, and each one closed a victory. It has every relevance. One of the very reasons she Is hated by so many In the North and Wales Is due to the mines. The fact that Wilson and Heath closed more mines In their short time than her 12 years Is extremely relevant.
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And now this...
BBC News - Big Ben to be silent for Baroness Thatcher's funeral
waiting with baited breath for Wednesday now.
BBC News - Big Ben to be silent for Baroness Thatcher's funeral
waiting with baited breath for Wednesday now.
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Betty Boop;1424568 wrote: And now this...
BBC News - Big Ben to be silent for Baroness Thatcher's funeral
waiting with baited breath for Wednesday now. I'm hoping to go....
I have to admit, much of It Is over the top especially when It was the Lady's wished that she had a quiet affair. Seems Cameron has steamrollered the whole shooting match.
BBC News - Big Ben to be silent for Baroness Thatcher's funeral
waiting with baited breath for Wednesday now. I'm hoping to go....
I have to admit, much of It Is over the top especially when It was the Lady's wished that she had a quiet affair. Seems Cameron has steamrollered the whole shooting match.
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oscar;1424573 wrote: I'm hoping to go....
I have to admit, much of It Is over the top especially when It was the Lady's wished that she had a quiet affair. Seems Cameron has steamrollered the whole shooting match.
Not waiting to see it, I will ensure I am miles away from any coverage. Cameron is off his rocker if he thinks the day will go without a hitch. This should have been a private funeral, if only for the sake of her family, it's a farce from beginning to end and serve Cameron right if this ends in riots.
I have to admit, much of It Is over the top especially when It was the Lady's wished that she had a quiet affair. Seems Cameron has steamrollered the whole shooting match.
Not waiting to see it, I will ensure I am miles away from any coverage. Cameron is off his rocker if he thinks the day will go without a hitch. This should have been a private funeral, if only for the sake of her family, it's a farce from beginning to end and serve Cameron right if this ends in riots.
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I suspect there won't be any riots maybe just a demonstration. people tend to respect funerals when it really comes right down to it. But it is yet another ember on the fire of discontent that is simmering quietly. It's an age old argument the left had won - does government have a role to play in making lives better for people and ensuring social justice - That's why we have the welfare state and NHS and at one point free education. Thatcher and her ilk say no it should dog eat dog devil take the hindmost and if you are poor and disadvantaged it is your fault. The vast majority disagree with them. It's an age old argument the right will always lose in the end.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... n-era.html
Last night police in London were under pressure to crack down on plans to insult the memory of Lady Thatcher at the funeral.
Hundreds of protesters have pledged to turn their backs as her coffin travels through Central London.
Says it all doesn't it? We have a long held right to protest but Thatcherites seem to think we should all just shut up and do what we are told. Such a protest would make the point far better than any riots. Let me know what happens oscar I won't be watching.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... n-era.html
Last night police in London were under pressure to crack down on plans to insult the memory of Lady Thatcher at the funeral.
Hundreds of protesters have pledged to turn their backs as her coffin travels through Central London.
Says it all doesn't it? We have a long held right to protest but Thatcherites seem to think we should all just shut up and do what we are told. Such a protest would make the point far better than any riots. Let me know what happens oscar I won't be watching.
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gmc;1424595 wrote: I suspect there won't be any riots maybe just a demonstration. people tend to respect funerals when it really comes right down to it. But it is yet another ember on the fire of discontent that is simmering quietly. It's an age old argument the left had won - does government have a role to play in making lives better for people and ensuring social justice - That's why we have the welfare state and NHS and at one point free education. Thatcher and her ilk say no it should dog eat dog devil take the hindmost and if you are poor and disadvantaged it is your fault. The vast majority disagree with them. It's an age old argument the right will always lose in the end.
Margaret Thatcher funeral: President Obama won't send envoy - and leaves it to her old allies from Reagan era | Mail Online
Says it all doesn't it? We have a long held right to protest but Thatcherites seem to think we should all just shut up and do what we are told. Such a protest would make the point far better than any riots. Let me know what happens oscar I won't be watching.
Crack down on plans to insult her memory?? lol how exactly are the police going to stop people turning their backs.
I don't think there will be riots on the day, but I think we are building up to something and this fiasco funeral is a big push in that direction.
Margaret Thatcher funeral: President Obama won't send envoy - and leaves it to her old allies from Reagan era | Mail Online
Says it all doesn't it? We have a long held right to protest but Thatcherites seem to think we should all just shut up and do what we are told. Such a protest would make the point far better than any riots. Let me know what happens oscar I won't be watching.
Crack down on plans to insult her memory?? lol how exactly are the police going to stop people turning their backs.
I don't think there will be riots on the day, but I think we are building up to something and this fiasco funeral is a big push in that direction.
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Much of the hatred aimed at Thatcher Is In relation to the Coal Mines but much of It is myth. The mines were unproductive and under three governments the Miners were In fact the highest paid unskilled and semi-skilled workers In our country. Yet, they continued to demand more and more bringing Industrial action that saw other workers unable to earn a living due to blackouts. And whilst much Is said about Thatcher's police force and the brutality In dealing with striking miners, the Left forgets to mention Scargill's Flying Picketts who battered anyone refusing to strike.
These are the figures for the sharply declining number of coal mines open each year under those Labour Governments.
1964 545
1965 .. 504
1966 .. 442
1967 .. 406
1968 .. 330
1969 .. 304
1974 .. 250
1975 .. 241
1976 .. 239
1977 .. 231
1978 .. 223
1979 .. 219
These are the figures for the Thatcher years:
1979 .. 219
1980 .. 213
1981 .. 200
1982 .. 191
1983 .. 170
1984 .. 169
1985 .. 133
1986 .. 110
1987 .. 94
1988 .. 86
1989 .. 73
1990 .. 65
These are the figures for the sharply declining number of coal mines open each year under those Labour Governments.
1964 545
1965 .. 504
1966 .. 442
1967 .. 406
1968 .. 330
1969 .. 304
1974 .. 250
1975 .. 241
1976 .. 239
1977 .. 231
1978 .. 223
1979 .. 219
These are the figures for the Thatcher years:
1979 .. 219
1980 .. 213
1981 .. 200
1982 .. 191
1983 .. 170
1984 .. 169
1985 .. 133
1986 .. 110
1987 .. 94
1988 .. 86
1989 .. 73
1990 .. 65
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Betty Boop;1424599 wrote: Crack down on plans to insult her memory?? lol how exactly are the police going to stop people turning their backs.
I don't think there will be riots on the day, but I think we are building up to something and this fiasco funeral is a big push in that direction.
They can't but it's the mentality behind the suggestion that they should I felt worthy of comment.
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Much of the hatred aimed at Thatcher Is In relation to the Coal Mines but much of It is myth.
No it wasn't just that but you keep believing the simplistic nonsense if you want. What ended her reign as you like to call it? Remember the poll tax riots. Them up north are out of sight but riots in london even the tories notice.
London Poll Tax Riot Documentary 1990 - The Battle of Trafalgar FULL - YouTube
I don't think there will be riots on the day, but I think we are building up to something and this fiasco funeral is a big push in that direction.
They can't but it's the mentality behind the suggestion that they should I felt worthy of comment.
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Much of the hatred aimed at Thatcher Is In relation to the Coal Mines but much of It is myth.
No it wasn't just that but you keep believing the simplistic nonsense if you want. What ended her reign as you like to call it? Remember the poll tax riots. Them up north are out of sight but riots in london even the tories notice.
London Poll Tax Riot Documentary 1990 - The Battle of Trafalgar FULL - YouTube
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gmc;1424639 wrote: They can't but it's the mentality behind the suggestion that they should I felt worthy of comment.
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No it wasn't just that but you keep believing the simplistic nonsense if you want. What ended her reign as you like to call it? Remember the poll tax riots. Them up north are out of sight but riots in london even the tories notice.
London Poll Tax Riot Documentary 1990 - The Battle of Trafalgar FULL - YouTube Ok If you want to go down that route...
Do you not understand Cameron has repeated exactly what Thatcher did ? Where are the riot now?
Cameron has just cut Council tax support by 10% forcing the poorest households to pay for the first time. Why arn't you out rioting?
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No it wasn't just that but you keep believing the simplistic nonsense if you want. What ended her reign as you like to call it? Remember the poll tax riots. Them up north are out of sight but riots in london even the tories notice.
London Poll Tax Riot Documentary 1990 - The Battle of Trafalgar FULL - YouTube Ok If you want to go down that route...
Do you not understand Cameron has repeated exactly what Thatcher did ? Where are the riot now?
Cameron has just cut Council tax support by 10% forcing the poorest households to pay for the first time. Why arn't you out rioting?
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oscar;1424644 wrote: Ok If you want to go down that route...
Do you not understand Cameron has repeated exactly what Thatcher did ? Where are the riot now?
Cameron has just cut Council tax support by 10% forcing the poorest households to pay for the first time. Why arn't you out rioting?
Do you remember the poll tax riots? Scared the **** put of the tory party didn't it. They couldn't wait to get rid of maggie now those same politicians sing her praises and mourn her passing.
In actual fact new labour screwed ordinary people even more than the tories they are just a bit more subtle about it. It takes a lot to get the British to riot but give it time. On the meantime the lib dems will cease to exist as a party at the next election, once labour lose some of the Scottish MP's after independence they will struggle to get enough seats to form a government and another five years of tory rule will leave england and wales a basket case. Having left the EU they will be coming cap in hand to the scots asking for a bail out. Enjoy the next few years.
Do you not understand Cameron has repeated exactly what Thatcher did ? Where are the riot now?
Cameron has just cut Council tax support by 10% forcing the poorest households to pay for the first time. Why arn't you out rioting?
Do you remember the poll tax riots? Scared the **** put of the tory party didn't it. They couldn't wait to get rid of maggie now those same politicians sing her praises and mourn her passing.
In actual fact new labour screwed ordinary people even more than the tories they are just a bit more subtle about it. It takes a lot to get the British to riot but give it time. On the meantime the lib dems will cease to exist as a party at the next election, once labour lose some of the Scottish MP's after independence they will struggle to get enough seats to form a government and another five years of tory rule will leave england and wales a basket case. Having left the EU they will be coming cap in hand to the scots asking for a bail out. Enjoy the next few years.
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When is this funeral starting Tomorrow? UK time.?
I'll figure out US time & try to find it.
Be careful out there - all of you.
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When is this funeral starting Tomorrow? UK time.?
I'll figure out US time & try to find it.
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the service due to start at 11am. The doors of St Paul’s Cathedral will open at 9am with guests asked to be seated by 10am.
That is the time Lady Thatcher's coffin will set off from the Palace of Westminster in a hearse.
The ceremonial route will be closed from 9.30am, with the gun carriage leaving Wellington Barracks at 9.35am.
Members of the Royal Navy and Royal Marines, the Army and the Royal Air Force will take their places lining the route at 9.45am.
Following its 10am departure from the Palace of Westminster, Lady Thatcher's coffin should be placed in St Clement Danes Church by civilian pall bearers by 10.15am.
At 10.20am the gun carriage will take up position at St Clement Danes, with the procession band and escort party also in position.
At 10.25am Lady Thatcher's coffin will be carried by the tri-service bearer party, made up of troops from units with particular links to the Falklands campaign, and placed on the gun carriage.
The gun carriage will depart for St Paul's at 10.33am. The service will begin as the coffin is borne into St Paul's at 11am and is due to last 55 minutes.
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That is the time Lady Thatcher's coffin will set off from the Palace of Westminster in a hearse.
The ceremonial route will be closed from 9.30am, with the gun carriage leaving Wellington Barracks at 9.35am.
Members of the Royal Navy and Royal Marines, the Army and the Royal Air Force will take their places lining the route at 9.45am.
Following its 10am departure from the Palace of Westminster, Lady Thatcher's coffin should be placed in St Clement Danes Church by civilian pall bearers by 10.15am.
At 10.20am the gun carriage will take up position at St Clement Danes, with the procession band and escort party also in position.
At 10.25am Lady Thatcher's coffin will be carried by the tri-service bearer party, made up of troops from units with particular links to the Falklands campaign, and placed on the gun carriage.
The gun carriage will depart for St Paul's at 10.33am. The service will begin as the coffin is borne into St Paul's at 11am and is due to last 55 minutes.
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Patsy Warnick;1424694 wrote: Oscar & All
When is this funeral starting Tomorrow? UK time.?
I'll figure out US time & try to find it.
Be careful out there - all of you.
Patsy
Look at the bbc online - it will be on ad nauseam Any protests will be given little coverage.
I suggest you have a trawl through you tube - there are plenty of people having a say about thatcher and her so called legacy - it might give you a sense of how much anger her policies caused.
Margaret Thatcher Frankie Boyle at his best Mock The Week - YouTube
After the hillsborough disaster she blamed drunken liverpool fans for the tragedy, finally a public inquiry has cleared the fans and highlighted a deliberate police cover up.
Hillsborough disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
On the 20th anniversary of the disaster, government minister Andy Burnham called for the police, ambulance and all other public agencies to release documents which were not made available to Lord Justice Taylor in 1989.[5] This action led to the formation of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which in September 2012 concluded that no Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths, and that attempts had been made by the authorities to conceal what happened, including the alteration by police of 164 statements relating to the disaster.[6][7] The facts in the report prompted immediate apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron; the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police David Crompton; Football Association Chairman David Bernstein and Kelvin MacKenzie, then-editor of The Sun, for their organisations' respective roles.[8]
In September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that up to 41 of the 96 fatalities might have been avoided had they received prompt medical treatment.[9] The report revealed "multiple failures" by other emergency services and public bodies which contributed to the death toll. In response to the panel's report, Attorney General for England and Wales, Dominic Grieve MP, confirmed he would consider all the new evidence to evaluate whether the original inquest verdicts of accidental death could be overturned.[10] On 19 December 2012, a new inquest was granted in the High Court, to the relief of the families and friends of the Hillsborough deceased.
The call for two minutes silence at sporting events like football matches did not go down well.
Liverpool fans chanting When Maggie Thatcher Dies v Sunderland - YouTube
When is this funeral starting Tomorrow? UK time.?
I'll figure out US time & try to find it.
Be careful out there - all of you.
Patsy
Look at the bbc online - it will be on ad nauseam Any protests will be given little coverage.
I suggest you have a trawl through you tube - there are plenty of people having a say about thatcher and her so called legacy - it might give you a sense of how much anger her policies caused.
Margaret Thatcher Frankie Boyle at his best Mock The Week - YouTube
After the hillsborough disaster she blamed drunken liverpool fans for the tragedy, finally a public inquiry has cleared the fans and highlighted a deliberate police cover up.
Hillsborough disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
On the 20th anniversary of the disaster, government minister Andy Burnham called for the police, ambulance and all other public agencies to release documents which were not made available to Lord Justice Taylor in 1989.[5] This action led to the formation of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which in September 2012 concluded that no Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths, and that attempts had been made by the authorities to conceal what happened, including the alteration by police of 164 statements relating to the disaster.[6][7] The facts in the report prompted immediate apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron; the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police David Crompton; Football Association Chairman David Bernstein and Kelvin MacKenzie, then-editor of The Sun, for their organisations' respective roles.[8]
In September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that up to 41 of the 96 fatalities might have been avoided had they received prompt medical treatment.[9] The report revealed "multiple failures" by other emergency services and public bodies which contributed to the death toll. In response to the panel's report, Attorney General for England and Wales, Dominic Grieve MP, confirmed he would consider all the new evidence to evaluate whether the original inquest verdicts of accidental death could be overturned.[10] On 19 December 2012, a new inquest was granted in the High Court, to the relief of the families and friends of the Hillsborough deceased.
The call for two minutes silence at sporting events like football matches did not go down well.
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The Prince of Darkness was on Radio 4 this morning, reminiscing about (in his words) the one occasion he ever met Margaret Thatcher. He managed to make it a disreputable tale.
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Týr;1424710 wrote: The Prince of Darkness was on Radio 4 this morning, reminiscing about (in his words) the one occasion he ever met Margaret Thatcher. He managed to make it a disreputable tale.
Ozzy Osbourne or Micheal Howard?
Ozzy Osbourne or Micheal Howard?
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Oscar
did you go?
there was nothing on our BBC channel - not that I saw anyway.?
gmc
thanks for the links - I did chuckle at the comments.
Patsy
did you go?
there was nothing on our BBC channel - not that I saw anyway.?
gmc
thanks for the links - I did chuckle at the comments.
Patsy
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So... over a quarter of a million people lined the streets !!!
Me thinks the hype of the protests and lack of Interest has fallen flat now. As they say, the proof Is plain to see.
Looks like a beautiful service.
Margaret Thatcher gets the send-off she deserved as hundreds of thousands line streets to applaud her coffin | Mail Online
We certainly know how to do pomp eh?
Me thinks the hype of the protests and lack of Interest has fallen flat now. As they say, the proof Is plain to see.
Looks like a beautiful service.
Margaret Thatcher gets the send-off she deserved as hundreds of thousands line streets to applaud her coffin | Mail Online
We certainly know how to do pomp eh?
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Oscar, you must live in a sound proof, rose tinted bubble.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1424723 wrote: Oscar, you must live in a sound proof, rose tinted bubble.
Not the protests as the tabloids would have us believe.
Few protesters at Thatcher funeral - MarketWatch
Not the protests as the tabloids would have us believe.
Few protesters at Thatcher funeral - MarketWatch
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I don't take a lot of notice of the tabloid predictions...
Where I was this morning many comments were very uncomplimentary about the TV coverage.
There was a mention of groups protesting on the news
Where I was this morning many comments were very uncomplimentary about the TV coverage.
There was a mention of groups protesting on the news
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Bruv;1424730 wrote: I don't take a lot of notice of the tabloid predictions...
Where I was this morning many comments were very uncomplimentary about the TV coverage.
There was a mention of groups protesting on the news
I think there were some but In proportion to the thousands who lined the streets, very minimal.
I sadly could not go.. couldn't get cover for my school run.
Where I was this morning many comments were very uncomplimentary about the TV coverage.
There was a mention of groups protesting on the news
I think there were some but In proportion to the thousands who lined the streets, very minimal.
I sadly could not go.. couldn't get cover for my school run.
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So... not one arrest...
The very small proportion of protesters... the stupidity of some of these people !!!! To throw a bottle under the feet of the horses... Oh yeah because that's really the sensible thing to do to protest eh?
Thatcher funeral: Demonstrators pretending to be mourners plan to disrupt funeral by blowing horns and turning their back as the cortege passes | Mail Online
The very small proportion of protesters... the stupidity of some of these people !!!! To throw a bottle under the feet of the horses... Oh yeah because that's really the sensible thing to do to protest eh?
Thatcher funeral: Demonstrators pretending to be mourners plan to disrupt funeral by blowing horns and turning their back as the cortege passes | Mail Online
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The "hate" that is being directed to her is ugly.
Not only is it ugly, it cannot be justified by anyone that has any shred of conscious, love, compassion, or common sense.
She hated socialism and communism. So she is hated for her views? Seems "thuggish".
Not only is it ugly, it cannot be justified by anyone that has any shred of conscious, love, compassion, or common sense.
She hated socialism and communism. So she is hated for her views? Seems "thuggish".
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halfway;1424741 wrote: The "hate" that is being directed to her is ugly.
Not only is it ugly, it cannot be justified by anyone that has any shred of conscious, love, compassion, or common sense.
She hated socialism and communism. So she is hated for her views? Seems "thuggish". Thank You Halfway, I appreciate your post.
As I have said throughout this thread, she got much wrong but then she got much right.
I'm all for debating the woman but the hatred shown by some shows a very ugly side of human nature. Unable to move on. to let go and look to the future.
Not only is it ugly, it cannot be justified by anyone that has any shred of conscious, love, compassion, or common sense.
She hated socialism and communism. So she is hated for her views? Seems "thuggish". Thank You Halfway, I appreciate your post.
As I have said throughout this thread, she got much wrong but then she got much right.
I'm all for debating the woman but the hatred shown by some shows a very ugly side of human nature. Unable to move on. to let go and look to the future.
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Oscar: To throw a bottle under the feet of the horses...
Yeah, that's dumb. You're supposed to use marbles. Thousands of them.
Yeah, that's dumb. You're supposed to use marbles. Thousands of them.
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halfway;1424741 wrote: The "hate" that is being directed to her is ugly.
Not only is it ugly, it cannot be justified by anyone that has any shred of conscious, love, compassion, or common sense.
She hated socialism and communism. So she is hated for her views? Seems "thuggish".
My low opinion of you has just gone down a few notches.
Not only is it ugly, it cannot be justified by anyone that has any shred of conscious, love, compassion, or common sense.
She hated socialism and communism. So she is hated for her views? Seems "thuggish".
My low opinion of you has just gone down a few notches.
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AnneBoleyn;1424764 wrote: Yeah, that's dumb. You're supposed to use marbles. Thousands of them.
Why would you wish so much pain and violence?
The level of hate on these boards is disquieting.
Why would you wish so much pain and violence?
The level of hate on these boards is disquieting.
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Bruv;1424773 wrote: My low opinion of you has just gone down a few notches.
Well, coming from you....I am really disappointed. I really wanted you to LIKE me. You are special.
Well, coming from you....I am really disappointed. I really wanted you to LIKE me. You are special.
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halfway;1424776 wrote: Well, coming from you....I am really disappointed. I really wanted you to LIKE me. You are special.
Slid down another few notches........it's the attitude I think.....no I don't think....I know.
Slid down another few notches........it's the attitude I think.....no I don't think....I know.
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Bruv;1424777 wrote: Slid down another few notches........it's the attitude I think.....no I don't think....I know.
I told you Bruv---Still Fabulous! :-4
I told you Bruv---Still Fabulous! :-4
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You really are some of the meanest people out there.
And to think I have yet to attack either of you for simply making a post.
I guess it really is about character.
And to think I have yet to attack either of you for simply making a post.
I guess it really is about character.
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halfway;1424741 wrote: The "hate" that is being directed to her is ugly.
Not only is it ugly, it cannot be justified by anyone that has any shred of conscious, love, compassion, or common sense.
She hated socialism and communism. So she is hated for her views? Seems "thuggish".
How do you feel about fascism? Liberal democracy - the political system favoured by the west is somewhere in between the two, most western european politocal parties are social democrats. You say thatcher hated socialism and communism indeed she was quite open about her contempt for socialism - there is no such thing as community - as she famously said. Most people in the UK disagree with that sentiment. Put another way she had contempt for most ordinary people in the united kingdom and would rather they just shut up and do what they were told anyone who disagreed was quite simply wrong in her eyes. Thatcher's policies were economically fascist, so are the policies pursued by new labour and the present coalition, and as such are not somehow morally any better than communism or socialism but are equally destructive. We live in a free country people are free to say what they think and that freedom has nothing to do with the likes of thatcher who saw nothing wrong with crushing protesters. If she could she would have opened fire on the miners and the poll tax rioters but that was a line she knew better than to cross.
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Thank You Halfway, I appreciate your post.
As I have said throughout this thread, she got much wrong but then she got much right.
I'm all for debating the woman but the hatred shown by some shows a very ugly side of human nature. Unable to move on. to let go and look to the future.
No oscar you are not interested in debating all you can do is dismiss any criticism of her as simply hatred because you can't actually counter any of the points made. It's like the former pope dismissing criticism of his covering up of paedophiles as mere anti-Catholicism. Pretend the problem is with those being critical is an old old way of pretending there is nothing wrong and ignoring different opinions. In a politician it leads to
Not only is it ugly, it cannot be justified by anyone that has any shred of conscious, love, compassion, or common sense.
She hated socialism and communism. So she is hated for her views? Seems "thuggish".
How do you feel about fascism? Liberal democracy - the political system favoured by the west is somewhere in between the two, most western european politocal parties are social democrats. You say thatcher hated socialism and communism indeed she was quite open about her contempt for socialism - there is no such thing as community - as she famously said. Most people in the UK disagree with that sentiment. Put another way she had contempt for most ordinary people in the united kingdom and would rather they just shut up and do what they were told anyone who disagreed was quite simply wrong in her eyes. Thatcher's policies were economically fascist, so are the policies pursued by new labour and the present coalition, and as such are not somehow morally any better than communism or socialism but are equally destructive. We live in a free country people are free to say what they think and that freedom has nothing to do with the likes of thatcher who saw nothing wrong with crushing protesters. If she could she would have opened fire on the miners and the poll tax rioters but that was a line she knew better than to cross.
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Thank You Halfway, I appreciate your post.
As I have said throughout this thread, she got much wrong but then she got much right.
I'm all for debating the woman but the hatred shown by some shows a very ugly side of human nature. Unable to move on. to let go and look to the future.
No oscar you are not interested in debating all you can do is dismiss any criticism of her as simply hatred because you can't actually counter any of the points made. It's like the former pope dismissing criticism of his covering up of paedophiles as mere anti-Catholicism. Pretend the problem is with those being critical is an old old way of pretending there is nothing wrong and ignoring different opinions. In a politician it leads to
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gmc;1424792 wrote:
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No oscar you are not interested in debating all you can do is dismiss any criticism of her as simply hatred because you can't actually counter any of the points made. It's like the former pope dismissing criticism of his covering up of paedophiles as mere anti-Catholicism. Pretend the problem is with those being critical is an old old way of pretending there is nothing wrong and ignoring different opinions. In a politician it leads to No gmc.... In this thread, any reasonable debate would be a waste of my time. I've had more Intelligent threads on her on Facebook.
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No oscar you are not interested in debating all you can do is dismiss any criticism of her as simply hatred because you can't actually counter any of the points made. It's like the former pope dismissing criticism of his covering up of paedophiles as mere anti-Catholicism. Pretend the problem is with those being critical is an old old way of pretending there is nothing wrong and ignoring different opinions. In a politician it leads to No gmc.... In this thread, any reasonable debate would be a waste of my time. I've had more Intelligent threads on her on Facebook.
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oscar;1424806 wrote: No gmc.... In this thread, any reasonable debate would be a waste of my time. I've had more Intelligent threads on her on Facebook.
Your idea of intelligent debate is when everybody agrees with you. Several people have posted reasonable arguments your response is to ignore them and to try and change the subject or simply avoid.
tyr posted this as a possible lead in to discussion
Throw out the myths about Margaret Thatcher | Ken Livingstone | Comment is free | The Guardian
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You can exercise your right to side with what ever camp you like, as I do. However, I do not care enough to prove statistics either way. If I believed It would make a scrap of difference, I may be Inclined, but neither camp Is going to be cajoled Into understanding anything they see as so black and white.
You can't even be bothered disputing anything factual that counters your rose tinted view of her. I think more likely you can't actually do so.
Hundreds of protesters turn backs on Margaret Thatcher's coffin | Politics | The Guardian
Your idea of intelligent debate is when everybody agrees with you. Several people have posted reasonable arguments your response is to ignore them and to try and change the subject or simply avoid.
tyr posted this as a possible lead in to discussion
Throw out the myths about Margaret Thatcher | Ken Livingstone | Comment is free | The Guardian
your response
You can exercise your right to side with what ever camp you like, as I do. However, I do not care enough to prove statistics either way. If I believed It would make a scrap of difference, I may be Inclined, but neither camp Is going to be cajoled Into understanding anything they see as so black and white.
You can't even be bothered disputing anything factual that counters your rose tinted view of her. I think more likely you can't actually do so.
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I thought she exhibited outstanding leadership when it was needed.
I also liked her stance against socialism / communism. She helped destroy one of the biggest threats to personal freedom the world has ever seen (USSR).
Her leadership made a positive impact on the world. Very few can say that.
I also liked her stance against socialism / communism. She helped destroy one of the biggest threats to personal freedom the world has ever seen (USSR).
Her leadership made a positive impact on the world. Very few can say that.
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No oscar you are not interested in debating all you can do is dismiss any criticism of her as simply hatred because you can't actually counter any of the points made. It's like the former pope dismissing criticism of his covering up of paedophiles as mere anti-Catholicism. Pretend the problem is with those being critical is an old old way of pretending there is nothing wrong and ignoring different opinions. In a politician it leads to As In the same manner you dismissed my table showing three governments prior shut more mines than her?
No oscar you are not interested in debating all you can do is dismiss any criticism of her as simply hatred because you can't actually counter any of the points made. It's like the former pope dismissing criticism of his covering up of paedophiles as mere anti-Catholicism. Pretend the problem is with those being critical is an old old way of pretending there is nothing wrong and ignoring different opinions. In a politician it leads to As In the same manner you dismissed my table showing three governments prior shut more mines than her?
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