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Let's assume for a split second that the earth really was flat and smooth, there probably wouldn't have been any ice and all of earth's water was contained by the oceans and clouds.
Apparently it rained for 40 days. With all that extra water in the clouds one wonders whether the sun got a chance to shine through. Creationists are idiots and twist everything to make the bible appear truthful.
All that to one side, you have not answered the kangaroo and polar bear mystery. What can creationists come up with on that one? Come on give us another laugh.:wah:
Apparently it rained for 40 days. With all that extra water in the clouds one wonders whether the sun got a chance to shine through. Creationists are idiots and twist everything to make the bible appear truthful.
All that to one side, you have not answered the kangaroo and polar bear mystery. What can creationists come up with on that one? Come on give us another laugh.:wah:
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1510842 wrote: Let's assume for a split second that the earth really was flat and smooth, there probably wouldn't have been any ice and all of earth's water was contained by the oceans and clouds.
Apparently it rained for 40 days. With all that extra water in the clouds one wonders whether the sun got a chance to shine through. Creationists are idiots and twist everything to make the bible appear truthful.
All that to one side, you have not answered the kangaroo and polar bear mystery. What can creationists come up with on that one? Come on give us another laugh.:wah:
Before the flood, the earth was pretty flat and smooth. The Bible says that the "Waters of the Deep" sprang up. If you look at Google Earth you can see where the earth cracked and the waters of the deep flooded the earth. Look in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, you will see the crack in the earth. There probably weren't any Ice Caps. That came later after the flood when more water was introduced to the top of the earth. There was also a huge layer of water above the atmosphere that protected life from the sun's harmful rays. The earth was like a giant hyperberic chamber, which would explain why men lived hundreds of years and the dinosaurs and other creatures were able to get so large. The dinosaurs were giant lizards. Lizards never stop growing. So if a lizard were to live 10 times longer than normal, it would get quite large now wouldn't it? I did answer the kangaroo, polar bear mystery. You obviously did understand so I will re-explain how they got on the ark. At the time of the flood, the earth was likely a super continent called "Pangea". There would have been no problem for any animal to get to the ark. With that said, all that would be required for all of the animals to be represented is for their specific kind to be represented. You wouldn't have to of had every species of bear, dog, cat, ect. for them to have been saved. All breeds of dogs came from 2 generic dogs, but they always stay dogs. Same with bear. Same with cats. There are Wolves, Foxes, Kyotes, Dachshunds, German Shepherds, are all within the dog family and you can't find a half breed between the dog kind and any other kind of animals. They always stay dogs. Same with the cat family, Lions, Tiger, Pumas, Cheetahs, Bob Cats, Minx, House Cats, Perseans, are all in the cat family. You can't find a half cat, half any other kind of animal. There is no missing link because evolution is false.
Apparently it rained for 40 days. With all that extra water in the clouds one wonders whether the sun got a chance to shine through. Creationists are idiots and twist everything to make the bible appear truthful.
All that to one side, you have not answered the kangaroo and polar bear mystery. What can creationists come up with on that one? Come on give us another laugh.:wah:
Before the flood, the earth was pretty flat and smooth. The Bible says that the "Waters of the Deep" sprang up. If you look at Google Earth you can see where the earth cracked and the waters of the deep flooded the earth. Look in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, you will see the crack in the earth. There probably weren't any Ice Caps. That came later after the flood when more water was introduced to the top of the earth. There was also a huge layer of water above the atmosphere that protected life from the sun's harmful rays. The earth was like a giant hyperberic chamber, which would explain why men lived hundreds of years and the dinosaurs and other creatures were able to get so large. The dinosaurs were giant lizards. Lizards never stop growing. So if a lizard were to live 10 times longer than normal, it would get quite large now wouldn't it? I did answer the kangaroo, polar bear mystery. You obviously did understand so I will re-explain how they got on the ark. At the time of the flood, the earth was likely a super continent called "Pangea". There would have been no problem for any animal to get to the ark. With that said, all that would be required for all of the animals to be represented is for their specific kind to be represented. You wouldn't have to of had every species of bear, dog, cat, ect. for them to have been saved. All breeds of dogs came from 2 generic dogs, but they always stay dogs. Same with bear. Same with cats. There are Wolves, Foxes, Kyotes, Dachshunds, German Shepherds, are all within the dog family and you can't find a half breed between the dog kind and any other kind of animals. They always stay dogs. Same with the cat family, Lions, Tiger, Pumas, Cheetahs, Bob Cats, Minx, House Cats, Perseans, are all in the cat family. You can't find a half cat, half any other kind of animal. There is no missing link because evolution is false.
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xfrodobagginsx;1510856 wrote: Before the flood, the earth was pretty flat and smooth. The Bible says that the "Waters of the Deep" sprang up. If you look at Google Earth you can see where the earth cracked and the waters of the deep flooded the earth. Look in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, you will see the crack in the earth. There probably weren't any Ice Caps. That came later after the flood when more water was introduced to the top of the earth. There was also a huge layer of water above the atmosphere that protected life from the sun's harmful rays. The earth was like a giant hyperberic chamber, which would explain why men lived hundreds of years and the dinosaurs and other creatures were able to get so large. The dinosaurs were giant lizards. Lizards never stop growing. So if a lizard were to live 10 times longer than normal, it would get quite large now wouldn't it? I did answer the kangaroo, polar bear mystery. You obviously did understand so I will re-explain how they got on the ark. At the time of the flood, the earth was likely a super continent called "Pangea". There would have been no problem for any animal to get to the ark. With that said, all that would be required for all of the animals to be represented is for their specific kind to be represented. You wouldn't have to of had every species of bear, dog, cat, ect. for them to have been saved. All breeds of dogs came from 2 generic dogs, but they always stay dogs. Same with bear. Same with cats. There are Wolves, Foxes, Kyotes, Dachshunds, German Shepherds, are all within the dog family and you can't find a half breed between the dog kind and any other kind of animals. They always stay dogs. Same with the cat family, Lions, Tiger, Pumas, Cheetahs, Bob Cats, Minx, House Cats, Perseans, are all in the cat family. You can't find a half cat, half any other kind of animal. There is no missing link because evolution is false.
If you only need two generic animals of each kind then all the different breeds must have evolved from that. I don't believe a word you're saying.
If you only need two generic animals of each kind then all the different breeds must have evolved from that. I don't believe a word you're saying.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1510871 wrote: If you only need two generic animals of each kind then all the different breeds must have evolved from that. I don't believe a word you're saying.
Evolution only occurs within the species. It's called lateral adaptation. Lateral Adaptation (AKA Micro Evolution-Within the Species) is a genetic reshuffling of the information. Creationists agree that this occurs. Macro (Darwinian Evolution-One kind of animal evolving into another) has never been observed to happen ever. Ever hard of the missing link? Well it's still missing. In fact, there are several missing links between all of the different kinds of animals. So, yes, two generic dogs could have given us all of the different types of dogs including wolves, kyotes, foxes, ect. But they never changed into say, a half cat, half dog type of animal. It's the same for every other kind of animal. Show me a half dog, half other kind of animal other than a dog. Show me a half cat, half other type of animal other than a cat. There is no transitional fossils and they should be abundant if evolution were true. It isn't. That's the dirty little lie that evolutionists are keeping from you. They use examples of lateral adaptation (evolution within the species) and try to claim that macro evolution is happening (darwinian, one animal evolving into another). In order for an animal to change into another kind of animal, there MUST be an increase in genetic information. The problem is that this has never happened, EVER. Only a reshuffling of information. Take it from Richard Dawkins:
Pahu knows this stuff. I applaud his efforts in getting the truth out.
Evolution only occurs within the species. It's called lateral adaptation. Lateral Adaptation (AKA Micro Evolution-Within the Species) is a genetic reshuffling of the information. Creationists agree that this occurs. Macro (Darwinian Evolution-One kind of animal evolving into another) has never been observed to happen ever. Ever hard of the missing link? Well it's still missing. In fact, there are several missing links between all of the different kinds of animals. So, yes, two generic dogs could have given us all of the different types of dogs including wolves, kyotes, foxes, ect. But they never changed into say, a half cat, half dog type of animal. It's the same for every other kind of animal. Show me a half dog, half other kind of animal other than a dog. Show me a half cat, half other type of animal other than a cat. There is no transitional fossils and they should be abundant if evolution were true. It isn't. That's the dirty little lie that evolutionists are keeping from you. They use examples of lateral adaptation (evolution within the species) and try to claim that macro evolution is happening (darwinian, one animal evolving into another). In order for an animal to change into another kind of animal, there MUST be an increase in genetic information. The problem is that this has never happened, EVER. Only a reshuffling of information. Take it from Richard Dawkins:
Pahu knows this stuff. I applaud his efforts in getting the truth out.
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An Extract Out Of Josephus's Discourse To The Greeks Concerning Hades
1. NOW as to Hades, wherein the souls of the of the good things they see, and rejoice in the righteous and unrighteous are detained, it is necessary to speak of it. Hades is a place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherein the light of this world does not shine; from which circumstance, that in this region the light does not shine, it cannot be but there must be in it perpetual darkness. This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls, ill which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one's behavior and manners.
2. In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire, whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast; but it is prepared for a day afore-determined by God, in which one righteous sentence shall deservedly be passed upon all men; when the unjust, and those that have been disobedient to God, and have given honor to such idols as have been the vain operations of the hands of men as to God himself, shall be adjudged to this everlasting punishment, as having been the causes of defilement; while the just shall obtain an incorruptible and never-fading kingdom. These are now indeed confined in Hades, but not in the same place wherein the unjust are confined.
3. For there is one descent into this region, at whose gate we believe there stands an archangel with an host; which gate when those pass through that are conducted down by the angels appointed over souls, they do not go the same way; but the just are guided to the right hand, and are led with hymns, sung by the angels appointed over that place, unto a region of light, in which the just have dwelt from the beginning of the world; not constrained by necessity, but ever enjoying the prospect of the good things they see, and rejoic in the expectation of those new enjoyments which will be peculiar to every one of them, and esteeming those things beyond what we have here; with whom there is no place of toil, no burning heat, no piercing cold, nor are any briers there; but the countenance of the and of the just, which they see, always smiles them, while they wait for that rest and eternal new life in heaven, which is to succeed this region. This place we call The Bosom of Abraham.
4. But as to the unjust, they are dragged by force to the left hand by the angels allotted for punishment, no longer going with a good-will, but as prisoners driven by violence; to whom are sent the angels appointed over them to reproach them and threaten them with their terrible looks, and to thrust them still downwards. Now those angels that are set over these souls drag them into the neighborhood of hell itself; who, when they are hard by it, continually hear the noise of it, and do not stand clear of the hot vapor itself; but when they have a near view of this spectacle, as of a terrible and exceeding great prospect of fire, they are struck with a fearful expectation of a future judgment, and in effect punished thereby: and not only so, but where they see the place [or choir] of the fathers and of the just, even hereby are they punished; for a chaos deep and large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted, nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to attempt it, pass over it.
5. This is the discourse concerning Hades, wherein the souls of all men are confined until a proper season, which God hath determined, when he will make a resurrection of all men from the dead, not procuring a transmigration of souls from one body to another, but raising again those very bodies, which you Greeks, seeing to be dissolved, do not believe . But learn not to disbelieve it; for while you believe that the soul is created, and yet is made immortal by God, according to the doctrine of Plato, and this in time, be not incredulous; but believe that God is able, when he hath raised to life that body which was made as a compound of the same elements, to make it immortal; for it must never be said of God, that he is able to do some things, and unable to do others. We have therefore believed that the body will be raised again; for although it be dissolved, it is not perished; for the earth receives its remains, and preserves them; and while they are like seed, and are mixed among the more fruitful soil, they flourish, and what is sown is indeed sown bare grain, but at the mighty sound of God the Creator, it will sprout up, and be raised in a clothed and glorious condition, though not before it has been dissolved, and mixed [with the earth]. So that we have not rashly believed the resurrection of the body; for although it be dissolved for a time on account of the original transgression, it exists still, and is cast into the earth as into a potter's furnace, in order to be formed again, not in order to rise again such as it was before, but in a state of purity, and so as never to he destroyed any more. And to every body shall its own soul be restored. And when it hath clothed itself with that body, it will not be subject to misery, but, being itself pure, it will continue with its pure body, and rejoice with it, with which it having walked righteously now in this world, and never having had it as a snare, it will receive it again with great gladness. But as for the unjust, they will receive their bodies not changed, not freed from diseases or distempers, nor made glorious, but with the same diseases wherein they died; and such as they were in their unbelief, the same shall they be when they shall be faithfully judged.
6. For all men, the just as well as the unjust, shall be brought before God the word: for to him hath the Father committed all judgment : and he, in order to fulfill the will of his Father, shall come as Judge, whom we call Christ. For Minos and Rhadamanthus are not the judges, as you Greeks do suppose, but he whom God and the Father hath glorified: CONCERNING WHOM WE HAVE ELSEWHERE GIVEN A MORE PARTICULAR ACCOUNT, FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE WHO SEEK AFTER TRUTH. This person, exercising the righteous judgment of the Father towards all men, hath prepared a just sentence for every one, according to his works; at whose judgment-seat when all men, and angels, and demons shall stand, they will send forth one voice, and say, JUST IS THY JUDGMENT; the rejoinder to which will bring a just sentence upon both parties, by giving justly to those that have done well an everlasting fruition; but allotting to the lovers of wicked works eternal punishment. To these belong the unquenchable fire, and that without end, and a certain fiery worm, never dying, and not destroying the body, but continuing its eruption out of the body with never-ceasing grief: neither will sleep give ease to these men, nor will the night afford them comfort; death will not free them from their punishment, nor will the interceding prayers of their kindred profit them; for the just are no longer seen by them, nor are they thought worthy of remembrance. But the just shall remember only their righteous actions, whereby they have attained the heavenly kingdom, in which there is no sleep, no sorrow, no corruption, no care, no night, no day measured by time, no sun driven in his course along the circle of heaven by necessity, and measuring out the bounds and conversions of the seasons, for the better illumination of the life of men; no moon decreasing and increasing, or introducing a variety of seasons, nor will she then moisten the earth; no burning sun, no Bear turning round , no Orion to rise, no wandering of innumerable stars. The earth will not then be difficult to be passed over, nor will it he hard to find out the court of paradise, nor will there be any fearful roaring of the sea, forbidding the passengers to walk on it; even that will be made easily passable to the just, though it will not be void of moisture. Heaven will not then be uninhabitable by men, and it will not be impossible to discover the way of ascending thither. The earth will not be uncultivated, nor require too much labor of men, but will bring forth its fruits of its own accord, and will be well adorned with them. There will be no more generations of wild beasts, nor will the substance of the rest of the animals shoot out any more; for it will not produce men, but the number of the righteous will continue, and never fail, together with righteous angels, and spirits [of God], and with his word, as a choir of righteous men and women that never grow old, and continue in an incorruptible state, singing hymns to God, who hath advanced them to that happiness, by the means of a regular institution of life; with whom the whole creation also will lift up a perpetual hymn from corruption, to incorruption, as glorified by a splendid and pure spirit. It will not then be restrained by a bond of necessity, but with a lively freedom shall offer up a voluntary hymn, and shall praise him that made them, together with the angels, and spirits, and men now freed from all bondage.
7. And now, if you Gentiles will be persuaded by these motives, and leave your vain imaginations about your pedigrees, and gaining of riches, and philosophy, and will not spend your time about subtleties of words, and thereby lead your minds into error, and if you will apply your ears to the hearing of the inspired prophets, the interpreters both of God and of his word, and will believe in God, you shall both be partakers of these things, and obtain the good things that are to come; you shall see the ascent unto the immense heaven plainly, and that kingdom which is there. For what God hath now concealed in silence [will be then made manifest,] what neither eye hath seen, nor ear hath heard, nor hath it entered into the heart of man, the things that God hath prepared for them that love him.
8. In whatsoever ways I shall find you, in them shall I judge you entirely: so cries the END of all things. And he who hath at first lived a virtuous lift, but towards the latter end falls into vice, these labors by him before endured shall be altogether vain and unprofitable, even as in a play, brought to an ill catastrophe. Whosoever shall have lived wickedly and luxuriously may repent; however, there will be need of much time to conquer an evil habit, and even after repentance his whole life must be guarded with great care and diligence, after the manner of a body, which, after it hath been a long time afflicted with a distemper, requires a stricter diet and method of living; for though it may be possible, perhaps, to break off the chain of our irregular affections at once, yet our amendment cannot be secured without the grace of God, the prayers of good men, the help of the brethren, and our own sincere repentance and constant care. It is a good thing not to sin at all; it is also good, having sinned, to repent; as it is best to have health always, but it is a good thing to recover from a distemper. To God be glory and dominion for ever and ever Amen.
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1. NOW as to Hades, wherein the souls of the of the good things they see, and rejoice in the righteous and unrighteous are detained, it is necessary to speak of it. Hades is a place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherein the light of this world does not shine; from which circumstance, that in this region the light does not shine, it cannot be but there must be in it perpetual darkness. This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls, ill which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one's behavior and manners.
2. In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire, whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast; but it is prepared for a day afore-determined by God, in which one righteous sentence shall deservedly be passed upon all men; when the unjust, and those that have been disobedient to God, and have given honor to such idols as have been the vain operations of the hands of men as to God himself, shall be adjudged to this everlasting punishment, as having been the causes of defilement; while the just shall obtain an incorruptible and never-fading kingdom. These are now indeed confined in Hades, but not in the same place wherein the unjust are confined.
3. For there is one descent into this region, at whose gate we believe there stands an archangel with an host; which gate when those pass through that are conducted down by the angels appointed over souls, they do not go the same way; but the just are guided to the right hand, and are led with hymns, sung by the angels appointed over that place, unto a region of light, in which the just have dwelt from the beginning of the world; not constrained by necessity, but ever enjoying the prospect of the good things they see, and rejoic in the expectation of those new enjoyments which will be peculiar to every one of them, and esteeming those things beyond what we have here; with whom there is no place of toil, no burning heat, no piercing cold, nor are any briers there; but the countenance of the and of the just, which they see, always smiles them, while they wait for that rest and eternal new life in heaven, which is to succeed this region. This place we call The Bosom of Abraham.
4. But as to the unjust, they are dragged by force to the left hand by the angels allotted for punishment, no longer going with a good-will, but as prisoners driven by violence; to whom are sent the angels appointed over them to reproach them and threaten them with their terrible looks, and to thrust them still downwards. Now those angels that are set over these souls drag them into the neighborhood of hell itself; who, when they are hard by it, continually hear the noise of it, and do not stand clear of the hot vapor itself; but when they have a near view of this spectacle, as of a terrible and exceeding great prospect of fire, they are struck with a fearful expectation of a future judgment, and in effect punished thereby: and not only so, but where they see the place [or choir] of the fathers and of the just, even hereby are they punished; for a chaos deep and large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted, nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to attempt it, pass over it.
5. This is the discourse concerning Hades, wherein the souls of all men are confined until a proper season, which God hath determined, when he will make a resurrection of all men from the dead, not procuring a transmigration of souls from one body to another, but raising again those very bodies, which you Greeks, seeing to be dissolved, do not believe . But learn not to disbelieve it; for while you believe that the soul is created, and yet is made immortal by God, according to the doctrine of Plato, and this in time, be not incredulous; but believe that God is able, when he hath raised to life that body which was made as a compound of the same elements, to make it immortal; for it must never be said of God, that he is able to do some things, and unable to do others. We have therefore believed that the body will be raised again; for although it be dissolved, it is not perished; for the earth receives its remains, and preserves them; and while they are like seed, and are mixed among the more fruitful soil, they flourish, and what is sown is indeed sown bare grain, but at the mighty sound of God the Creator, it will sprout up, and be raised in a clothed and glorious condition, though not before it has been dissolved, and mixed [with the earth]. So that we have not rashly believed the resurrection of the body; for although it be dissolved for a time on account of the original transgression, it exists still, and is cast into the earth as into a potter's furnace, in order to be formed again, not in order to rise again such as it was before, but in a state of purity, and so as never to he destroyed any more. And to every body shall its own soul be restored. And when it hath clothed itself with that body, it will not be subject to misery, but, being itself pure, it will continue with its pure body, and rejoice with it, with which it having walked righteously now in this world, and never having had it as a snare, it will receive it again with great gladness. But as for the unjust, they will receive their bodies not changed, not freed from diseases or distempers, nor made glorious, but with the same diseases wherein they died; and such as they were in their unbelief, the same shall they be when they shall be faithfully judged.
6. For all men, the just as well as the unjust, shall be brought before God the word: for to him hath the Father committed all judgment : and he, in order to fulfill the will of his Father, shall come as Judge, whom we call Christ. For Minos and Rhadamanthus are not the judges, as you Greeks do suppose, but he whom God and the Father hath glorified: CONCERNING WHOM WE HAVE ELSEWHERE GIVEN A MORE PARTICULAR ACCOUNT, FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE WHO SEEK AFTER TRUTH. This person, exercising the righteous judgment of the Father towards all men, hath prepared a just sentence for every one, according to his works; at whose judgment-seat when all men, and angels, and demons shall stand, they will send forth one voice, and say, JUST IS THY JUDGMENT; the rejoinder to which will bring a just sentence upon both parties, by giving justly to those that have done well an everlasting fruition; but allotting to the lovers of wicked works eternal punishment. To these belong the unquenchable fire, and that without end, and a certain fiery worm, never dying, and not destroying the body, but continuing its eruption out of the body with never-ceasing grief: neither will sleep give ease to these men, nor will the night afford them comfort; death will not free them from their punishment, nor will the interceding prayers of their kindred profit them; for the just are no longer seen by them, nor are they thought worthy of remembrance. But the just shall remember only their righteous actions, whereby they have attained the heavenly kingdom, in which there is no sleep, no sorrow, no corruption, no care, no night, no day measured by time, no sun driven in his course along the circle of heaven by necessity, and measuring out the bounds and conversions of the seasons, for the better illumination of the life of men; no moon decreasing and increasing, or introducing a variety of seasons, nor will she then moisten the earth; no burning sun, no Bear turning round , no Orion to rise, no wandering of innumerable stars. The earth will not then be difficult to be passed over, nor will it he hard to find out the court of paradise, nor will there be any fearful roaring of the sea, forbidding the passengers to walk on it; even that will be made easily passable to the just, though it will not be void of moisture. Heaven will not then be uninhabitable by men, and it will not be impossible to discover the way of ascending thither. The earth will not be uncultivated, nor require too much labor of men, but will bring forth its fruits of its own accord, and will be well adorned with them. There will be no more generations of wild beasts, nor will the substance of the rest of the animals shoot out any more; for it will not produce men, but the number of the righteous will continue, and never fail, together with righteous angels, and spirits [of God], and with his word, as a choir of righteous men and women that never grow old, and continue in an incorruptible state, singing hymns to God, who hath advanced them to that happiness, by the means of a regular institution of life; with whom the whole creation also will lift up a perpetual hymn from corruption, to incorruption, as glorified by a splendid and pure spirit. It will not then be restrained by a bond of necessity, but with a lively freedom shall offer up a voluntary hymn, and shall praise him that made them, together with the angels, and spirits, and men now freed from all bondage.
7. And now, if you Gentiles will be persuaded by these motives, and leave your vain imaginations about your pedigrees, and gaining of riches, and philosophy, and will not spend your time about subtleties of words, and thereby lead your minds into error, and if you will apply your ears to the hearing of the inspired prophets, the interpreters both of God and of his word, and will believe in God, you shall both be partakers of these things, and obtain the good things that are to come; you shall see the ascent unto the immense heaven plainly, and that kingdom which is there. For what God hath now concealed in silence [will be then made manifest,] what neither eye hath seen, nor ear hath heard, nor hath it entered into the heart of man, the things that God hath prepared for them that love him.
8. In whatsoever ways I shall find you, in them shall I judge you entirely: so cries the END of all things. And he who hath at first lived a virtuous lift, but towards the latter end falls into vice, these labors by him before endured shall be altogether vain and unprofitable, even as in a play, brought to an ill catastrophe. Whosoever shall have lived wickedly and luxuriously may repent; however, there will be need of much time to conquer an evil habit, and even after repentance his whole life must be guarded with great care and diligence, after the manner of a body, which, after it hath been a long time afflicted with a distemper, requires a stricter diet and method of living; for though it may be possible, perhaps, to break off the chain of our irregular affections at once, yet our amendment cannot be secured without the grace of God, the prayers of good men, the help of the brethren, and our own sincere repentance and constant care. It is a good thing not to sin at all; it is also good, having sinned, to repent; as it is best to have health always, but it is a good thing to recover from a distemper. To God be glory and dominion for ever and ever Amen.
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Fuzzy;1510871 wrote: If you only need two generic animals of each kind then all the different breeds must have evolved from that. I don't believe a word you're saying.
Yes all of the different breeds did come from that. Notice how they always stay dogs. They always stay horses. They always stay cats within the different kinds.
Here is a good article on it.
How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark? - creation.com
Yes all of the different breeds did come from that. Notice how they always stay dogs. They always stay horses. They always stay cats within the different kinds.
Here is a good article on it.
How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark? - creation.com
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This approach to the Bible makes it a very real joke. It destroys the the real historical vallue of the Bible. It is nothing more than clap trap or a real obervable creating dancing. In the 21st century!!!!!!!d
May God if He exists preserve us from such nonsense. In my view this is not Christianity.
May God if He exists preserve us from such nonsense. In my view this is not Christianity.
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Ted;1511044 wrote: This approach to the Bible makes it a very real joke. It destroys the the real historical vallue of the Bible. It is nothing more than clap trap or a real obervable creating dancing. In the 21st century!!!!!!!d
May God if He exists preserve us from such nonsense. In my view this is not Christianity.
Telling the truth is not a joke. What's in the Bible is historically perfect so you can't destroy it's value. The real and observable confirms what I said. There is no missing link between ANY of the animal kinds. God's word isn't nonsense. So, the teachings of the Bible are not Christianity? How does that make sense since Jesus inspired the Bible?
May God if He exists preserve us from such nonsense. In my view this is not Christianity.
Telling the truth is not a joke. What's in the Bible is historically perfect so you can't destroy it's value. The real and observable confirms what I said. There is no missing link between ANY of the animal kinds. God's word isn't nonsense. So, the teachings of the Bible are not Christianity? How does that make sense since Jesus inspired the Bible?
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New Blood Evidence Found In 'The Shroud Of Turin'
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Stephen J Gould admits there are no transitional fossils.
That quote!—about the missing transitional fossils - creation.com
That quote!—about the missing transitional fossils - creation.com
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Is Stephen Gould still around? What is his field of science? I cannot believe that in the 21st Cent. there are those who want the Bible to be totall accurate in spite of the reality. OMG
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Ted;1511143 wrote: Is Stephen Gould still around? What is his field of science? I cannot believe that in the 21st Cent. there are those who want the Bible to be totall accurate in spite of the reality. OMG
Stephen Jay Gould died 15 years ago. For some reason, that one statement from him is all the Fundies can ever remember from his work.
Stephen Jay Gould died 15 years ago. For some reason, that one statement from him is all the Fundies can ever remember from his work.
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Ted;1511143 wrote: Is Stephen Gould still around? What is his field of science? I cannot believe that in the 21st Cent. there are those who want the Bible to be totall accurate in spite of the reality. OMG
The Bible really is true and reality really does support the Bible. Look at the evidence.
The Bible really is true and reality really does support the Bible. Look at the evidence.
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spot and flopstock both excellent posts.. The literalists haven't a clue as to how to readd the Bible. Yes they live in constant fear of death and hoping to go to heaven. First of all IO accept the reality of God. Notice I did not say being as in a human being. This idea that all have sinned and the idea of Augustine concerning original sin is he left the church with. f
That is the curse he left us with.. "God saw all that he made and it was very good" from Genesis. We should be speaking of original blessing. Now as far as the future either on earth or in heaven we really have no idea. The word "pistis" is the greek word that has been mis translated as right belief, faith. Its proper translation should be "trust" There are some 220000 Christian sects around the world and many of them claim to have the sole handle on the truth. I've got news for them. We are to be following in the path that Jesus followed. " Do justice and love kindness" Micah 6:8. That is the core of his messagge. It is about doing and not Believing the right things. I was raised in a fundamentalist church and it was evil.
That is the curse he left us with.. "God saw all that he made and it was very good" from Genesis. We should be speaking of original blessing. Now as far as the future either on earth or in heaven we really have no idea. The word "pistis" is the greek word that has been mis translated as right belief, faith. Its proper translation should be "trust" There are some 220000 Christian sects around the world and many of them claim to have the sole handle on the truth. I've got news for them. We are to be following in the path that Jesus followed. " Do justice and love kindness" Micah 6:8. That is the core of his messagge. It is about doing and not Believing the right things. I was raised in a fundamentalist church and it was evil.
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The Bible contains spiritual truth it is not historical though there is some history there. To lean on the Bible as if it were literally true is a form of idolatry.
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LarsMac;1511147 wrote: Stephen Jay Gould died 15 years ago. For some reason, that one statement from him is all the Fundies can ever remember from his work.
He is one of the world's leading evolutionists and even he admits there are no transitional fossils. That's the point. Richard Dawkins couldn't either. Darwinian Evolution is a fraud. Creationism is the truth.
He is one of the world's leading evolutionists and even he admits there are no transitional fossils. That's the point. Richard Dawkins couldn't either. Darwinian Evolution is a fraud. Creationism is the truth.
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One frequently cited "hole" in the theory: Creationists claim there are no transitional fossils, aka missing links. Biologists and paleontologists, among others, know this claim is false.
As key evidence for evolution and species' gradual change over time, transitional creatures should resemble intermediate species, having skeletal and other body features in common with two distinct groups of animals, such as reptiles and mammals, or fish and amphibians.
At least hundreds, possibly thousands, of transitional fossils have been found so far by researchers. The exact count is unclear because some lineages of organisms are continuously evolving.
https://www.livescience.com/3306-fossil ... heory.html
As key evidence for evolution and species' gradual change over time, transitional creatures should resemble intermediate species, having skeletal and other body features in common with two distinct groups of animals, such as reptiles and mammals, or fish and amphibians.
At least hundreds, possibly thousands, of transitional fossils have been found so far by researchers. The exact count is unclear because some lineages of organisms are continuously evolving.
https://www.livescience.com/3306-fossil ... heory.html
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LarsMac;1511147 wrote: Stephen Jay Gould died 15 years ago. For some reason, that one statement from him is all the Fundies can ever remember from his work.
Steven J Gould was one of the world's leading evolutionists. He isn't the only one to admit that there aren't any Transitional fossils. Even Richard Dawkins had to admit it. Why are you purposely ignoring that one statement he made?
Steven J Gould was one of the world's leading evolutionists. He isn't the only one to admit that there aren't any Transitional fossils. Even Richard Dawkins had to admit it. Why are you purposely ignoring that one statement he made?
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xfrodobagginsx;1511203 wrote: Steven J Gould was one of the world's leading evolutionists. He isn't the only one to admit that there aren't any Transitional fossils. Even Richard Dawkins had to admit it. Why are you purposely ignoring that one statement he made?
Because it is basically irrelevant.
Because it is basically irrelevant.
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Ted;1511174 wrote: spot and flopstock both excellent posts.. The literalists haven't a clue as to how to readd the Bible. Yes they live in constant fear of death and hoping to go to heaven. First of all IO accept the reality of God. Notice I did not say being as in a human being. This idea that all have sinned and the idea of Augustine concerning original sin is he left the church with. f
That is the curse he left us with.. "God saw all that he made and it was very good" from Genesis. We should be speaking of original blessing. Now as far as the future either on earth or in heaven we really have no idea. The word "pistis" is the greek word that has been mis translated as right belief, faith. Its proper translation should be "trust" There are some 220000 Christian sects around the world and many of them claim to have the sole handle on the truth. I've got news for them. We are to be following in the path that Jesus followed. " Do justice and love kindness" Micah 6:8. That is the core of his messagge. It is about doing and not Believing the right things. I was raised in a fundamentalist church and it was evil.
The way you read the Bible is that you actually take it for what it actually says instead of trying to change it by "interpreting" it as you would like it to mean. The Bible will tell you when something is figurative. I don't fear death like a non Christian would because I know where I am going. It's about believing God and taking Him at His word, not changing God's word to what you wish it said. Paul's writings are for the Church today. I understand that you had a bad experience growing up in the Church, but so did I. I didn't turn my back on God though. I realized that it wasn't His fault, it was the fault of the people who did those things. Legalism is what you hate I would say and so do I. Legalists add to the Bible like the Pharisees did.
That is the curse he left us with.. "God saw all that he made and it was very good" from Genesis. We should be speaking of original blessing. Now as far as the future either on earth or in heaven we really have no idea. The word "pistis" is the greek word that has been mis translated as right belief, faith. Its proper translation should be "trust" There are some 220000 Christian sects around the world and many of them claim to have the sole handle on the truth. I've got news for them. We are to be following in the path that Jesus followed. " Do justice and love kindness" Micah 6:8. That is the core of his messagge. It is about doing and not Believing the right things. I was raised in a fundamentalist church and it was evil.
The way you read the Bible is that you actually take it for what it actually says instead of trying to change it by "interpreting" it as you would like it to mean. The Bible will tell you when something is figurative. I don't fear death like a non Christian would because I know where I am going. It's about believing God and taking Him at His word, not changing God's word to what you wish it said. Paul's writings are for the Church today. I understand that you had a bad experience growing up in the Church, but so did I. I didn't turn my back on God though. I realized that it wasn't His fault, it was the fault of the people who did those things. Legalism is what you hate I would say and so do I. Legalists add to the Bible like the Pharisees did.
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Ted;1511175 wrote: The Bible contains spiritual truth it is not historical though there is some history there. To lean on the Bible as if it were literally true is a form of idolatry.
The Bible IS Spiritual truth. It is very historical. It's all history. To not lean on the Bible is a form of idolatry. You have it backward. The Bible is God's word. To disagree with the Bible is to disagree with God Himself.
The Bible IS Spiritual truth. It is very historical. It's all history. To not lean on the Bible is a form of idolatry. You have it backward. The Bible is God's word. To disagree with the Bible is to disagree with God Himself.
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Spot please miss my computer.
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Omni_skittles come now a little creative thinking and creative dancing must be worth something. LOL
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Fuzzy;1511184 wrote: One frequently cited "hole" in the theory: Creationists claim there are no transitional fossils, aka missing links. Biologists and paleontologists, among others, know this claim is false.
As key evidence for evolution and species' gradual change over time, transitional creatures should resemble intermediate species, having skeletal and other body features in common with two distinct groups of animals, such as reptiles and mammals, or fish and amphibians.
At least hundreds, possibly thousands, of transitional fossils have been found so far by researchers. The exact count is unclear because some lineages of organisms are continuously evolving.
https://www.livescience.com/3306-fossil ... heory.html
No that claim is true. There are no true transitional fossils. All they have are examples of variations within the species, not one animal kind transitioning into another. You can't take example of a Dog and a Wolf for instance and claim that there is evidence of transition. The Wolf and the Dog are all within the same "Kind" or Canine species. You must find an example of a half Canine and half Feline species per se. It doesn't happen because there must be an increase in genetic information which has never been observed to happen, ever.
As key evidence for evolution and species' gradual change over time, transitional creatures should resemble intermediate species, having skeletal and other body features in common with two distinct groups of animals, such as reptiles and mammals, or fish and amphibians.
At least hundreds, possibly thousands, of transitional fossils have been found so far by researchers. The exact count is unclear because some lineages of organisms are continuously evolving.
https://www.livescience.com/3306-fossil ... heory.html
No that claim is true. There are no true transitional fossils. All they have are examples of variations within the species, not one animal kind transitioning into another. You can't take example of a Dog and a Wolf for instance and claim that there is evidence of transition. The Wolf and the Dog are all within the same "Kind" or Canine species. You must find an example of a half Canine and half Feline species per se. It doesn't happen because there must be an increase in genetic information which has never been observed to happen, ever.
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xfrodobagginsx;1511250 wrote: No that claim is true. There are no true transitional fossils. All they have are examples of variations within the species, not one animal kind transitioning into another. You can't take example of a Dog and a Wolf for instance and claim that there is evidence of transition. The Wolf and the Dog are all within the same "Kind" or Canine species. You must find an example of a half Canine and half Feline species per se. It doesn't happen because there must be an increase in genetic information which has never been observed to happen, ever.
I have no idea what one like yourself would consider a "Transition Fossil" but since Feline and Canine lines branched from a common ancestor, I doubt you will find such a beast as you describe.
I have no idea what one like yourself would consider a "Transition Fossil" but since Feline and Canine lines branched from a common ancestor, I doubt you will find such a beast as you describe.
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LarsMac;1511205 wrote: Because it is basically irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant. It clearly shows that in his heart, he agrees with the Creationists that there are no transitional fossils. He is admitting it.
It's not irrelevant. It clearly shows that in his heart, he agrees with the Creationists that there are no transitional fossils. He is admitting it.
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xfrodobagginsx;1511255 wrote: It's not irrelevant. It clearly shows that in his heart, he agrees with the Creationists that there are no transitional fossils. He is admitting it.
Um, ..., sure,..., Boss. Whatever you say.
Um, ..., sure,..., Boss. Whatever you say.
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Ted;1511244 wrote: Spot please miss my computer.
What's that mean?
What's that mean?
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xfrodobagginsx;1511255 wrote: It's not irrelevant. It clearly shows that in his heart, he agrees with the Creationists that there are no transitional fossils. He is admitting it.
It clearly shows nothing of the kind.
I suggest you find and read the entire discussion from which that quote was extracted.
You might even learn something.
It clearly shows nothing of the kind.
I suggest you find and read the entire discussion from which that quote was extracted.
You might even learn something.
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LarsMac;1511251 wrote: I have no idea what one like yourself would consider a "Transition Fossil" but since Feline and Canine lines branched from a common ancestor, I doubt you will find such a beast as you describe.
I was just using those lines as an example. You never see a half breed between the different generalized types of animals...Dogs, Cats, Horses, ect. They never transition into each other or from each other. Creation scientists do believe in Lateral Adaptation aka micro evolution (within the species), just not Darwinian, macro evolution. (One "line" as you put it, evolving into another. Doesn't happen.
I was just using those lines as an example. You never see a half breed between the different generalized types of animals...Dogs, Cats, Horses, ect. They never transition into each other or from each other. Creation scientists do believe in Lateral Adaptation aka micro evolution (within the species), just not Darwinian, macro evolution. (One "line" as you put it, evolving into another. Doesn't happen.
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xfrodobagginsx;1511282 wrote: I was just using those lines as an example. You never see a half breed between the different generalized types of animals...Dogs, Cats, Horses, ect. They never transition into each other or from each other. Creation scientists do believe in Lateral Adaptation aka micro evolution (within the species), just not Darwinian, macro evolution. (One "line" as you put it, evolving into another. Doesn't happen.
"Darwinian macro evolution" is a construct of creationist anti-science pinheads.
"Darwinian macro evolution" is a construct of creationist anti-science pinheads.
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LarsMac;1511257 wrote: Um, ..., sure,..., Boss. Whatever you say.
Ok thanks
Ok thanks
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xfrodobagginsx;1511255 wrote: It's not irrelevant. It clearly shows that in his heart, he agrees with the Creationists that there are no transitional fossils. He is admitting it.
Wrong, Bucko.
He is simply stating that he recognizes the lack of "Transitional Fossils" that some folks expected to find in the fossil record.
This was before we had really grasped the significance of the haphazard nature of fossilization processes.
Wrong, Bucko.
He is simply stating that he recognizes the lack of "Transitional Fossils" that some folks expected to find in the fossil record.
This was before we had really grasped the significance of the haphazard nature of fossilization processes.
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Such a thread as this certainly does have staying power. So snakes talk, corpses walk around, Adam and eve were real peoplle.!!!!! That is pure nonsense and a complete misunderstanding of the ancient texts.
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LarsMac;1511284 wrote: "Darwinian macro evolution" is a construct of creationist anti-science pinheads.
Creation Science IS Science. They look at the same exact evidence as the Evolutionary Scientists, yet they draw different conclusions from the evidence. Macro Evolution is also called Lateral Adaptation. It's not a made up concept. It's supported by the actual scientific evidence, unlike Darwinian Evolution Pinheads.
Creation Science IS Science. They look at the same exact evidence as the Evolutionary Scientists, yet they draw different conclusions from the evidence. Macro Evolution is also called Lateral Adaptation. It's not a made up concept. It's supported by the actual scientific evidence, unlike Darwinian Evolution Pinheads.
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xfrodobagginsx;1511334 wrote: Creation Science IS Science.
xfrodobagginsx;1511334 wrote: They look at the same exact evidence as the Evolutionary Scientists, yet they draw different conclusions from the evidence.
xfrodobagginsx;1511334 wrote: Macro Evolution is also called Lateral Adaptation.
xfrodobagginsx;1511334 wrote:
It's not a made up concept.
xfrodobagginsx;1511334 wrote:
It's supported by the actual scientific evidence, unlike Darwinian Evolution Pinheads.
xfrodobagginsx;1511334 wrote: They look at the same exact evidence as the Evolutionary Scientists, yet they draw different conclusions from the evidence.
xfrodobagginsx;1511334 wrote: Macro Evolution is also called Lateral Adaptation.
xfrodobagginsx;1511334 wrote:
It's not a made up concept.
xfrodobagginsx;1511334 wrote:
It's supported by the actual scientific evidence, unlike Darwinian Evolution Pinheads.
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Just watched a debate betweer John Spong and a fundamentalist professor. If I thought for one moment that I had to live and believe as fundamentalist Pro. White I would become atheist. Now I know I do not have to swallow his crap.
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LarsMac;1511295 wrote: Wrong, Bucko.
He is simply stating that he recognizes the lack of "Transitional Fossils" that some folks expected to find in the fossil record.
This was before we had really grasped the significance of the haphazard nature of fossilization processes.
Lack of transitional fossils, in spite of the fact that if there really was Darwinian Evolution happening, there would be more transitional fossils than any other type. Items can be fossilized rather quickly.
He is simply stating that he recognizes the lack of "Transitional Fossils" that some folks expected to find in the fossil record.
This was before we had really grasped the significance of the haphazard nature of fossilization processes.
Lack of transitional fossils, in spite of the fact that if there really was Darwinian Evolution happening, there would be more transitional fossils than any other type. Items can be fossilized rather quickly.
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xfrodobagginsx;1511401 wrote: Lack of transitional fossils, in spite of the fact that if there really was Darwinian Evolution happening, there would be more transitional fossils than any other type. Items can be fossilized rather quickly.
Sorry, but it actually takes a bit of time, and some fairly specific circumstances, to create fossils.
By the way, Darwin did not invent Evolution. He merely suggested that Evolutionary processes might explain many of the different species and variations that had been observed.
Sorry, but it actually takes a bit of time, and some fairly specific circumstances, to create fossils.
By the way, Darwin did not invent Evolution. He merely suggested that Evolutionary processes might explain many of the different species and variations that had been observed.
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Ted;1511312 wrote: Such a thread as this certainly does have staying power. So snakes talk, corpses walk around, Adam and eve were real peoplle.!!!!! That is pure nonsense and a complete misunderstanding of the ancient texts.
No, it's actually believing God's word. It's pretty simple really. Supernatural power exists all over the world even today. I've seen it and most people that I have met also have. The snake wasn't really the one talking, it was possessed by satan. They weren't corpses walking around, they were people who were resurrected. There are people even today who have died and came back. You can read their stories all over the internet.
No, it's actually believing God's word. It's pretty simple really. Supernatural power exists all over the world even today. I've seen it and most people that I have met also have. The snake wasn't really the one talking, it was possessed by satan. They weren't corpses walking around, they were people who were resurrected. There are people even today who have died and came back. You can read their stories all over the internet.
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Ted;1511342 wrote: Just watched a debate between John Spong and a fundamentalist professor. If I thought for one moment that I had to live and believe as fundamentalist Pro. White I would become atheist. Now I know I do not have to swallow his crap.
Creation Scientist Kent Hovind Debates 3 Evolutionary Professors At The Same Time And Wipes The Floor With Them:
Creation Scientist Kent Hovind Debates 3 Evolutionary Professors At The Same Time And Wipes The Floor With Them:
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LarsMac;1511402 wrote: Sorry, but it actually takes a bit of time, and some fairly specific circumstances, to create fossils.
By the way, Darwin did not invent Evolution. He merely suggested that Evolutionary processes might explain many of the different species and variations that had been observed.
Actually, it can be done in a matter of weeks. They actually sell fossilized Teddy Bears at one place. They have a fossilized derby hat, cowboy boot, bags of flour and other items from modern times. Rapid Fossilization | Creation Today
http://paleo.cc/paluxy/boot.htm
By the way, Darwin did not invent Evolution. He merely suggested that Evolutionary processes might explain many of the different species and variations that had been observed.
Actually, it can be done in a matter of weeks. They actually sell fossilized Teddy Bears at one place. They have a fossilized derby hat, cowboy boot, bags of flour and other items from modern times. Rapid Fossilization | Creation Today
http://paleo.cc/paluxy/boot.htm
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xfrodobagginsx;1511437 wrote: Actually, it can be done in a matter of weeks. They actually sell fossilized Teddy Bears at one place. They have a fossilized derby hat, cowboy boot, bags of flour and other items from modern times. Rapid Fossilization | Creation Today
Limestone Cowboy Boot
You should probably actually read, and attempt to comprehend the article in the second link.
Limestone Cowboy Boot
You should probably actually read, and attempt to comprehend the article in the second link.
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LarsMac;1511439 wrote: You should probably actually read, and attempt to comprehend the article in the second link.
As if, the poor man were able to do so. There actually is enormous lack of logic and understanding in lalaland.:-5
As if, the poor man were able to do so. There actually is enormous lack of logic and understanding in lalaland.:-5
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Xfrod I know too much concerning the writing of the Bible. I do not for one moment think the Bible is the word of God. It is a very human creation. Kung writes "The Bible is not in and of itself the word of God but for some God seems to speak to them through the Bible. Satan was an construction of the Mesopotamian culture in an attempt to explain evil. So was Job an attempt to explain evil. In my view the phrase word of God rightly belongs to one the risen one but then we have to see what we mean by that. To make the Bible the "Word of God" is to turn an ancient ext into a form of idolatry. you noted my response to the debate and I find it impossible to believe the Bible is a history book. Maybe like the Bible I want to claim to be god. It's kind of like the fundamentalists have already made up their mind so don't confuse them dwith the facts. Bone fide research shows it is not a history book thouygh it contains some history.
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LarsMac;1511439 wrote: You should probably actually read, and attempt to comprehend the article in the second link.
Yeah well, I particularly posted it so you could see the photo of the boot and the fossilized leg, not so much for the article. I can show you counter points for that.
Yeah well, I particularly posted it so you could see the photo of the boot and the fossilized leg, not so much for the article. I can show you counter points for that.
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xfrodobagginsx;1511499 wrote: Yeah well, I particularly posted it so you could see the photo of the boot and the fossilized leg, not so much for the article. I can show you counter points for that.
Not all pictures are worth a thousand words.
And some words are worth thousands of pictures.
Not all pictures are worth a thousand words.
And some words are worth thousands of pictures.
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