How To Get To Heaven When You Die
How To Get To Heaven When You Die
Another attempt to sell fear in Christianity. What nonsense. Some really do want to live in the primordial times.
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Just checking the ancient Hebrew. "Adam" and "Eve" were not real persons. Adam was an ancient Hebrew that meant "human kind" and not the name of a man. Eve was an ancient Hebrew meaning "Mother of all living". It was not the name of a person. That is what they meant to the ancient writers. So in ignorance the human race decided to make them persons. . The word Salvation in most places in the Bible is escape to freedom or escape from things bothering you. The Exodus was a story about their escape from bondage in Egypt and so was called salvation. Same thing in the story or the return from Babylon. To early Hebrew it had nothing to do with being saved and going to heaven.
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What if we are all already dead and this is all just an illusion to keep us occupied..
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Ted;1512046 wrote: Xfrod. The names appended to the gospels were added later the Gospels are not eyewitness accounts. That is ludicrous Life expectancy in those days was on average 35 years. The gospels were written long after that so the writers had to be dead. This in no way destroys the gospels. It simply history. The names appended to the gospels were a few hundred years after..
The gospels were written many of them just 20 years after the events around 50 AD. The last book of the Bible was written no later than 90 AD. Christ died and rose again in 33 AD. It's not that hard to believe that these were in fact written in the lifetime of the eyewitnesses who wrote them. They were written (dictated) by those whom they are attributed, but not always penned by them.
The gospels were written many of them just 20 years after the events around 50 AD. The last book of the Bible was written no later than 90 AD. Christ died and rose again in 33 AD. It's not that hard to believe that these were in fact written in the lifetime of the eyewitnesses who wrote them. They were written (dictated) by those whom they are attributed, but not always penned by them.
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Xfrod youj are wrong. Paul wrote in the 50s and early 60s. Mark was written around 70, Mathew was written in the early 8os Luke late 80s and John about 100 to 106. Now considering the average lifespan at that time was 325 Mark was the next generation. However some folks go to great lengths to tell God what and how and when to do things. The archaeology does not support the Bible. But hey if you wanna believe what you said go for it. But it is not historical. If the Gospel of John was written by the disciple John then he was writing from the grave.
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Ted;1512049 wrote: Something does not have to be factually accurate to be true. The parables of Jesus were made up stories to make a point. That point was true. The Bible is like that. The book is metaphorical.
Parables don't use proper names. Some of the things He said were parables and some were not. The story of the rich man and Lazarus used proper names, including Abraham was mentioned there. Therefore, it is factually accurate.
Parables don't use proper names. Some of the things He said were parables and some were not. The story of the rich man and Lazarus used proper names, including Abraham was mentioned there. Therefore, it is factually accurate.
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LarsMac;1512055 wrote: Show me where the Bible actually says Hell is real.
There are some religions out there who teach that there is no such thing as Hell. Some teach that hell is the only the grave. Some teach that hell is a place where souls are burned up in an instant. But that is not what the bible teaches. Today, I am going to demonstrate though the word of God that hell is a literal place of torment.
Where is hell?
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
(KJV)
Hell is down. Most bible scholars believe that it is in the center of the earth.
Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
(KJV)
Jesus's body remained on the earth, but His Spirit went to the heart of the earth, or center. Where is the heart of something located? In the center.
What is Hell?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Hell is a prison. It is a prison for those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. Hell is no laughing matter. There is no party in hell.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. {strange: Gr. other}
(KJV)
Lu 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
First of all notice that this man was not happy. It says that he was tormented in this FLAME. Hell is fire. It is an eternal flame that never goes out.
Mr 9:3 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
It says where their worm dieth not and the FIRE is NOT quenched. Hell is eternal torment by fire.
Hell is outer darkness. There is no light there. It is pitch black, forever.
Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Lu 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Who goes to hell, and what is after hell?
Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
(KJV)
One day after everyone has been judged, hell and death will be cast into the lake of fire.
Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The devil is going to be cast into the lake of fire. Notice that it is a place of torment and that torment never ends.
Re 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(KJV)
Those who reject Jesus Christ and accept the mark of the beast are going to the lake of fire.
Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(KJV)
Those who reject Jesus Christ won't be found written in the book of life. They also will be cast into the lake of fire.
There is only one way out. That way is Jesus Christ.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Who is God willing to save from hell and the lake of fire?
Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How do we do this?
Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Ro 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
The bible says that whosoever believeth on Him shall NOT be ashamed. Are you willing to accept Jesus Christ today to be your Savior? Don't be ashamed. Raise your hand right now if you want Jesus Christ to save you and someone will show you from the bible, God's word how you can know without a doubt that you will go to heaven when you die and that you won't have to go to this place called hell.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
God is willing to save ANYONE no matter what you have done, if you will simply call upon upon Jesus Christ to save you. Will you do that today?
There are some religions out there who teach that there is no such thing as Hell. Some teach that hell is the only the grave. Some teach that hell is a place where souls are burned up in an instant. But that is not what the bible teaches. Today, I am going to demonstrate though the word of God that hell is a literal place of torment.
Where is hell?
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
(KJV)
Hell is down. Most bible scholars believe that it is in the center of the earth.
Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
(KJV)
Jesus's body remained on the earth, but His Spirit went to the heart of the earth, or center. Where is the heart of something located? In the center.
What is Hell?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Hell is a prison. It is a prison for those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. Hell is no laughing matter. There is no party in hell.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. {strange: Gr. other}
(KJV)
Lu 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
First of all notice that this man was not happy. It says that he was tormented in this FLAME. Hell is fire. It is an eternal flame that never goes out.
Mr 9:3 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
It says where their worm dieth not and the FIRE is NOT quenched. Hell is eternal torment by fire.
Hell is outer darkness. There is no light there. It is pitch black, forever.
Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Lu 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Who goes to hell, and what is after hell?
Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
(KJV)
One day after everyone has been judged, hell and death will be cast into the lake of fire.
Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The devil is going to be cast into the lake of fire. Notice that it is a place of torment and that torment never ends.
Re 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(KJV)
Those who reject Jesus Christ and accept the mark of the beast are going to the lake of fire.
Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(KJV)
Those who reject Jesus Christ won't be found written in the book of life. They also will be cast into the lake of fire.
There is only one way out. That way is Jesus Christ.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Who is God willing to save from hell and the lake of fire?
Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How do we do this?
Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Ro 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
The bible says that whosoever believeth on Him shall NOT be ashamed. Are you willing to accept Jesus Christ today to be your Savior? Don't be ashamed. Raise your hand right now if you want Jesus Christ to save you and someone will show you from the bible, God's word how you can know without a doubt that you will go to heaven when you die and that you won't have to go to this place called hell.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
God is willing to save ANYONE no matter what you have done, if you will simply call upon upon Jesus Christ to save you. Will you do that today?
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Xfrod you are living in a wannabe world. The writings of the gospels were written as I have elsewhere posted. Afraid of the truth? The other stories are myth or legend or folk tale. They are not literally factual. Myth, leend, folk tale But by a literal reading you mist the great beauty and great teachings of the Bible. The Bible is composed of myth, legend, folk tale, poetry, short story, parables etc. It is Midrash or metaphor. Some of the stories may have a small bit of history as their basis. Not much history thoughl.
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KoreyH;1512254 wrote: What if we are all already dead and this is all just an illusion to keep us occupied..
That makes more sense than all this heaven and hell nonsense.:wah:
That makes more sense than all this heaven and hell nonsense.:wah:
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Being already dead is an interesting concept.
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Xfrod it is time you studied some ancient history as seen by scholars and not those wannabees. Unless you are, of course, afraid of the truth.
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Ted;1512074 wrote: The Bible is foundational for Christianity but there are many places where it is wrong. At least I do not have to hang up my brain on the coat rack before I enter church. Metaphor gives us a greater than meaning. God had to walk through the garden and then had to ask where Adam and Eve were!! He/She/ It is supposed to know everything. A literal reading of the Bible is pure nonsense. A literal meaning makes the Bible "Magic and Make Believe".
In no way is it wrong anywhere. I am glad that I don't have to hang my brain up and have the actual facts on my side. It's good to know that my faith is backed by the actual evidence. The Bible isn't all metaphor. That' a cop out for the weak people who can't accept what it's actually saying. Just because God asked where they were doesn't mean that He didn't know. God relates to man on man's level. It shows your lack of understanding of who God really is. It really is a literal meaning.
In no way is it wrong anywhere. I am glad that I don't have to hang my brain up and have the actual facts on my side. It's good to know that my faith is backed by the actual evidence. The Bible isn't all metaphor. That' a cop out for the weak people who can't accept what it's actually saying. Just because God asked where they were doesn't mean that He didn't know. God relates to man on man's level. It shows your lack of understanding of who God really is. It really is a literal meaning.
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xfrodobagginsx;1512349 wrote: It's good to know that my faith is backed by the actual evidence.
You need to make up your mind whether you have faith or evidence.
Faith = strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
Evidence = the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
You need to make up your mind whether you have faith or evidence.
Faith = strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
Evidence = the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Ted;1512088 wrote: Heaven is right here on earth. It is an hoped for ideal world where God reigns instead of the present authorities. Is there life after death? No one has come back to tell us. So we wait in hope in the true sense of the word "hope". I guess when it comes to the afterlife I'm an agnostic.
Jesus was in heaven and told us what is in there. Paul went to heaven and came back to tell us about what He saw. John also saw heaven and described what he saw.
Jesus was in heaven and told us what is in there. Paul went to heaven and came back to tell us about what He saw. John also saw heaven and described what he saw.
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There are so many errors in the Bible along with many contradictions and saying it is not so does not change the fact. Xfrod I'3 spent some 64 years studying this. I took the time to learn Both Hebrew and Greek to help me to understand the Bible. I've taken many?? courses at the Vancouver School of Theology. So I may be ignorant about many things but not this one though there is so much more to learn. Thus I continue to sturdy both formally and informally. O was raised in fundamentalism and frankly found it evil. As for me I do not need a contract (Bible) signed sealed and delivered because I don't trust in God which is what the word "faith" (pistis) means. "TRUST" Now tell me if the Bible says things that do not happen as a contract are you taking He/She/I to court for some form of punishment on God. I can speak of fundamentalism because I've seen the evil it promotes.
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Xfrod I've been sworn at, condemned, threatened, etc by those loving respectful so called Christians. The atheists have by and large treated me with respect even though we disagree. Perhaps the atheists are more christian than the so called Christians. Fundamentalism has given us abortion doctor killers, pickets at abortion clinics, harassment of the girls using them, picketers at the funerals of loving gay people, pain where there should be compassion (my mother took here church delivered pain to the grave with her". Such love? They also tried to practice cultural genocide on Canadian first nations. The list goes on and on and on. LOVE?????? Not bloody likely. Another good one. My grandmother went to church with us one time. She was a fundamentalist and we are Anglicans. Her words on the way home were something to this effect: "They believe just as we do. With all due respect to my grandmother she spoke about something she had know knowledge of. Another Christian!!!???
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I have become an ecumenist and recognize the validity of all the worlds great faiths. I believe that God (If He/She/It exists) has spoken to folks around the world in a way they can best undeerstand. Yes they all have their extremists and that included Christianity. There are those who would say I'm not a Christian. I will leave that up to God too judge and they better do so themselves..
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Ted;1512156 wrote: Xfrod many of those varieties believe they have the only handle on the truth. Of course I do not accept the Bible as the inerrant word of God. In my view that refers to one, the risen one. And thus tJesus as the word trumps the Bible.
Jesus Christ affirmed the scripture as the word of God, because Jesus is the one who inspired it.
Jesus Christ affirmed the scripture as the word of God, because Jesus is the one who inspired it.
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The only Bible that Jesus had was the Old Testament. Was that the pre-Easter Jesus or the post-Easter Jesus?
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The historical Jesus that is the pre-Easter Jesus was crucified and buried. Corpses do not come out of the grave and walk about. We would call then zombies. The Historical Jesus is dead and burried. Now we get to the post-Easter Jesus. This Jesus was and is the spirit of the historical Jesus if you like and he has influenced history in many ways. What we saw in Jesus was the true nature of God as best we could describe.
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Fuzzy;1512186 wrote: Noah’s Ark
By - Robert Poe
I was told this story as a child as if it was some fun children’s story. Essentially, God made flawed creations and then commands them to be perfect. Then, because they aren’t being perfect, he decides to ruthlessly murder every creature except the ones on the ark. What a petty and malicious God to go along with an already horrible story. It sounds like a capricious child playing with ants on a sidewalk. And, why do all of the other creatures on earth have to die for this God to murder the humans? Couldn’t the omnipotent one come up with a better plan for their extermination? If this were true then the God of the bible would be worse than Hitler, in that he committed mass genocides so that he could breed his ultimate race. His prejudice, jealousy, and mistake in creation shows that this God would certainly not be omniscient or omnipotent. The God of the Bible also had no quarrel with slavery. As a matter of fact, he supported it and instructed one on how to attain, hold, and treat their slaves.
Error on your part. God didn't create imperfect beings. He created them with the potential to obey Him or not and they chose not to obey Him, resulting in the sin curse. He wasn't ruthlessly murdering all the creatures, He was judging sinful, evil men who murdered, raped and lived wicked lives continually. As far as the animals go, God cares about them, but He cares much more for man. Right now, man is His primary concern. Slavery in the OT was different than the slavery of America. They were primarily voluntary to pay off a debt and it was for a period of 7 years. There were a couple of exceptions.
By - Robert Poe
I was told this story as a child as if it was some fun children’s story. Essentially, God made flawed creations and then commands them to be perfect. Then, because they aren’t being perfect, he decides to ruthlessly murder every creature except the ones on the ark. What a petty and malicious God to go along with an already horrible story. It sounds like a capricious child playing with ants on a sidewalk. And, why do all of the other creatures on earth have to die for this God to murder the humans? Couldn’t the omnipotent one come up with a better plan for their extermination? If this were true then the God of the bible would be worse than Hitler, in that he committed mass genocides so that he could breed his ultimate race. His prejudice, jealousy, and mistake in creation shows that this God would certainly not be omniscient or omnipotent. The God of the Bible also had no quarrel with slavery. As a matter of fact, he supported it and instructed one on how to attain, hold, and treat their slaves.
Error on your part. God didn't create imperfect beings. He created them with the potential to obey Him or not and they chose not to obey Him, resulting in the sin curse. He wasn't ruthlessly murdering all the creatures, He was judging sinful, evil men who murdered, raped and lived wicked lives continually. As far as the animals go, God cares about them, but He cares much more for man. Right now, man is His primary concern. Slavery in the OT was different than the slavery of America. They were primarily voluntary to pay off a debt and it was for a period of 7 years. There were a couple of exceptions.
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If God created Man with the choice of whether to obey or not, and then to demand obedience, and to opt to commit genocide they choose the latter, doesn't that indicate a bit of a conflict. Put in Human terms that would be diagnosed as Schizophrenic & Psychotic.
As for Easter - well, that far predates Jesus. Infact it has nothing at all to do with the Bible. It is the festival of Oesther, the Pagan Goddess of New Life, hence the connections with Easter Eggs & Easter Bunnies. The same can be said for the feast of Yule, based on the Winter Solstice. The Christians just changed their own dates to conveniently crowbar their own beliefs into those previously held for thousands of years by other cultures, who had got on quite contentedly before the introduction the the New Order of Christian Religion.
As for Easter - well, that far predates Jesus. Infact it has nothing at all to do with the Bible. It is the festival of Oesther, the Pagan Goddess of New Life, hence the connections with Easter Eggs & Easter Bunnies. The same can be said for the feast of Yule, based on the Winter Solstice. The Christians just changed their own dates to conveniently crowbar their own beliefs into those previously held for thousands of years by other cultures, who had got on quite contentedly before the introduction the the New Order of Christian Religion.
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Ted;1512198 wrote: Xfrod if youi knew anything about history you would know that the writers of the Bible were all from the middle east. This is the 21st Cent??????????? This kind of thinking is way back before the medieval period.
Not only were they all from the middle east, but they were Jews. But they didn't always live in the middle east and they didn't always write from the middle east.
Not only were they all from the middle east, but they were Jews. But they didn't always live in the middle east and they didn't always write from the middle east.
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xfrodobagginsx;1512411 wrote: Not only were they all from the middle east, but they were Jews. But they didn't always live in the middle east and they didn't always write from the middle east.
Yet being thousands of miles from the said location, they still claim to know, verbatim exactly what Person A said to Person B when no-one else, other than the 2 named parties were there.
Yet being thousands of miles from the said location, they still claim to know, verbatim exactly what Person A said to Person B when no-one else, other than the 2 named parties were there.
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KoreyH;1512254 wrote: What if we are all already dead and this is all just an illusion to keep us occupied..
I have a scarier thought. What if it's not and heaven and hell are really real like God told us? Why not be ready?
I have a scarier thought. What if it's not and heaven and hell are really real like God told us? Why not be ready?
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The opposition of others to the Christian faith is not surprising. Fundamentalism and literal readings of the Bible make the faith seem like utter foolishness. If I didn't know better I to would call it foolish and ferry tales. Midrash is a whole ancient way to look at the Bible and one that makes sense The way some look at the concept of God they try to make the Divine into a human being. This is pure nonsense.
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I've heard that argument about be ready adnosium. It is nonsense. Be about what is best for your brothers and sister around the world and in every country. Proselytizing is a waste of time and harmful. Look at the First Nations in Canada. The harm the missionaries did is unconscionable.
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Ted;1512269 wrote: Xfrod youj are wrong. Paul wrote in the 50s and early 60s. Mark was written around 70, Mathew was written in the early 8os Luke late 80s and John about 100 to 106. Now considering the average lifespan at that time was 325 Mark was the next generation. However some folks go to great lengths to tell God what and how and when to do things. The archaeology does not support the Bible. But hey if you wanna believe what you said go for it. But it is not historical. If the Gospel of John was written by the disciple John then he was writing from the grave.
You are wrong. Via Schofield, a very respected Biblical Scholar, Matthew was written around AD 37. That's a far cry from AD 80. Mark was written in AD 57-63 at the latest, not AD 70. Paul's were around AD 60s-70. John was written around AD 85 or 90. You're date of 100 to 106 is very late. John was the longest living apostle living at least into his 90s. Yes Archaology DOES support the Bible. Was the Jewish temple destroyed in 70 AD or not? Yep it was. I do believe it and it IS historical. John wasn't writing from the grave. Your dates are off, probably intentionally by some liberal, know nothing so called "scholar" who either is lying or doesn't know what he's talking about.
You are wrong. Via Schofield, a very respected Biblical Scholar, Matthew was written around AD 37. That's a far cry from AD 80. Mark was written in AD 57-63 at the latest, not AD 70. Paul's were around AD 60s-70. John was written around AD 85 or 90. You're date of 100 to 106 is very late. John was the longest living apostle living at least into his 90s. Yes Archaology DOES support the Bible. Was the Jewish temple destroyed in 70 AD or not? Yep it was. I do believe it and it IS historical. John wasn't writing from the grave. Your dates are off, probably intentionally by some liberal, know nothing so called "scholar" who either is lying or doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Ted;1512298 wrote: Xfrod you are living in a wannabe world. The writings of the gospels were written as I have elsewhere posted. Afraid of the truth? The other stories are myth or legend or folk tale. They are not literally factual. Myth, leend, folk tale But by a literal reading you mist the great beauty and great teachings of the Bible. The Bible is composed of myth, legend, folk tale, poetry, short story, parables etc. It is Midrash or metaphor. Some of the stories may have a small bit of history as their basis. Not much history thoughl.
I am living in reality. You should try it. I have refuted this easily as usual. Are YOU afraid of the truth None of the Bible is myth or legend. You can make that accusation, but you are wrong. Midrash didn't come out until hundreds of years after the Bible was completed. I told you that. Looks like you would rather believe a lie than the truth. They are ALL historical.
I am living in reality. You should try it. I have refuted this easily as usual. Are YOU afraid of the truth None of the Bible is myth or legend. You can make that accusation, but you are wrong. Midrash didn't come out until hundreds of years after the Bible was completed. I told you that. Looks like you would rather believe a lie than the truth. They are ALL historical.
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xfrodobagginsx;1512445 wrote: I am living in reality.
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Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1512303 wrote: That makes more sense than all this heaven and hell nonsense.:wah:
Since Jesus Christ created all things and lived in heaven before His physical birth and inspired the scriptures, I think He would know what happens after we die.
DID JESUS RISE FROM THE DEAD:
Since Jesus Christ created all things and lived in heaven before His physical birth and inspired the scriptures, I think He would know what happens after we die.
DID JESUS RISE FROM THE DEAD:
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The historical Jesus is dead but his spirit lives on. Paul was very clear about that. He said ":flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" BTW the kingdom will be here on earth hopefully.
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Ted;1512334 wrote: Xfrod it is time you studied some ancient history as seen by scholars and not those wannabees. Unless you are, of course, afraid of the truth.
The scholars that I use ARE real scholars. Those liberal know nothings are not real scholars. You must be afraid of the truth. You hide behind these people who don't even know the Bible and are easily debunked.
The scholars that I use ARE real scholars. Those liberal know nothings are not real scholars. You must be afraid of the truth. You hide behind these people who don't even know the Bible and are easily debunked.
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Fuzzy;1512350 wrote: You need to make up your mind whether you have faith or evidence.
Faith = strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
Evidence = the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
I have both.
Faith = strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
Evidence = the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
I have both.
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Ted;1512362 wrote: There are so many errors in the Bible along with many contradictions and saying it is not so does not change the fact. Xfrod I'3 spent some 64 years studying this. I took the time to learn Both Hebrew and Greek to help me to understand the Bible. I've taken many?? courses at the Vancouver School of Theology. So I may be ignorant about many things but not this one though there is so much more to learn. Thus I continue to sturdy both formally and informally. O was raised in fundamentalism and frankly found it evil. As for me I do not need a contract (Bible) signed sealed and delivered because I don't trust in God which is what the word "faith" (pistis) means. "TRUST" Now tell me if the Bible says things that do not happen as a contract are you taking He/She/I to court for some form of punishment on God. I can speak of fundamentalism because I've seen the evil it promotes.
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I've spent my whole life studying this and I know that you are wrong. There are no errors or contradictions. There are misunderstandings. Whenever I study one of these so called contradictions, I always find a rational answer. Vancouver School of theology? Some liberal school right? They start off with the belief that the Bible isn't true in the first place so everything they teach is going to be slanted to that angle. You need to go to a real school like Liberty University, Pensacola University, Moody Bible Institute, ect. Where they will teach you the truth about the lies you were told. Fundamentalism is the only true form of Christianity. The Bible IS God's word. If you don't believe in the Bible, what do you base your beliefs on? You see it as evil because it is the truth.
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I've spent my whole life studying this and I know that you are wrong. There are no errors or contradictions. There are misunderstandings. Whenever I study one of these so called contradictions, I always find a rational answer. Vancouver School of theology? Some liberal school right? They start off with the belief that the Bible isn't true in the first place so everything they teach is going to be slanted to that angle. You need to go to a real school like Liberty University, Pensacola University, Moody Bible Institute, ect. Where they will teach you the truth about the lies you were told. Fundamentalism is the only true form of Christianity. The Bible IS God's word. If you don't believe in the Bible, what do you base your beliefs on? You see it as evil because it is the truth.
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xfrodobagginsx;1512477 wrote: I have both.
I know. You make the impossible possible. You probably walk on water too.:yh_angel:yh_liar:yh_pray
I know. You make the impossible possible. You probably walk on water too.:yh_angel:yh_liar:yh_pray
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Heaven does not exist. It has a zero value.
Life after death does not exist. It has a zero value.
Therefore, the lack of Heaven & the lack of a life after death are one & the same - they both have a zero value. Therefore I shall be going to Heaven when I die. i.e. nowhere, as there is nowhere for nothing to go. Under normal circumstances I would say that that seems like a double negative, but you cannot have a place that doesn't exist specifically for the purpose of something else that doesn't exist.
Life after death does not exist. It has a zero value.
Therefore, the lack of Heaven & the lack of a life after death are one & the same - they both have a zero value. Therefore I shall be going to Heaven when I die. i.e. nowhere, as there is nowhere for nothing to go. Under normal circumstances I would say that that seems like a double negative, but you cannot have a place that doesn't exist specifically for the purpose of something else that doesn't exist.
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Ted;1512363 wrote: Xfrod I've been sworn at, condemned, threatened, etc by those loving respectful so called Christians. The atheists have by and large treated me with respect even though we disagree. Perhaps the atheists are more christian than the so called Christians. Fundamentalism has given us abortion doctor killers, pickets at abortion clinics, harassment of the girls using them, picketers at the funerals of loving gay people, pain where there should be compassion (my mother took here church delivered pain to the grave with her". Such love? They also tried to practice cultural genocide on Canadian first nations. The list goes on and on and on. LOVE?????? Not bloody likely. Another good one. My grandmother went to church with us one time. She was a fundamentalist and we are Anglicans. Her words on the way home were something to this effect: "They believe just as we do. With all due respect to my grandmother she spoke about something she had know knowledge of. Another Christian!!!???
So you've been sworn at, condemned and threatened? Swearing is against the Bible, so you can't blame God. By condemned do you mean that they are telling you that what you are teaching is a lie and leading people to hell? Well, that would be correct. Threatened with violence? We know that unless violence is in self defense or the Government punishing someone for a crime, then it is against the Bible, so you can't blame God there either. The Atheists have treated you with respect even though they disagree? Well, every conservative Christian I know would tell you otherwise, including myself. They are very rude, arrogant and won't look at the facts. Atheists are very un Christian and it shows in their behavior. Abortion Doctor killers see abortion as mass murder. I am not defending them, but in their eyes, if you had a chance to kill Hitler before he murdered millions of Jews, would you think that was bad? I am glad that they picket abortion clinics because those are slaughter houses that murder innnocent babies. The abortionists should be charged with murder. Abortion should be outlawed. I am not condoning what they do. What are your thoughts on the islamic terrorists who murder innocent people who haven't killed anyone? If warning the girls that what they are doing is wrong, then I am for harrassing the girls if it will save innocent babies lives. Christians do not picket gay funerals. That person Fred Phelps is a fridge nutcase and doesn't represent even .0001% of Christians. Pain when there should be compassion? I guess that's why the Church helps millions of people in need, including those victimized by the hurricanes. Cultural genocide? Explain. You mean like the evolutionists do? Hitler, Stalin and the other evil evolution practicing murderers. Telling the people the truth IS love. You are telling lies and leading people to an eternal doom in hell. Is that love? It's worse than murdering their physical body because the consequences are eternal and hell is worse for people who do such things. Lu 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. {hindered: or, forbad}
Interesting to me that you even go to Church. If I were going to reject God's word, the Bible, His plan for salvation, His teachings, I wouldn't call myself a Christian and I wouldn't go to Church. Why waste your time on something you don't even believe in? I don't get people like you. I really don't. You would actually be better off when you are judged if you didn't, unless you repent and turn to Christ for salvation, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placed your faith in Him alone.
LOVE is honest. LOVE tells the truth, even when it's not convenient. LOVE doesn't lie. LOVE does what is in the best interest of others, EVEN if they get upset about it or disagree.
So you've been sworn at, condemned and threatened? Swearing is against the Bible, so you can't blame God. By condemned do you mean that they are telling you that what you are teaching is a lie and leading people to hell? Well, that would be correct. Threatened with violence? We know that unless violence is in self defense or the Government punishing someone for a crime, then it is against the Bible, so you can't blame God there either. The Atheists have treated you with respect even though they disagree? Well, every conservative Christian I know would tell you otherwise, including myself. They are very rude, arrogant and won't look at the facts. Atheists are very un Christian and it shows in their behavior. Abortion Doctor killers see abortion as mass murder. I am not defending them, but in their eyes, if you had a chance to kill Hitler before he murdered millions of Jews, would you think that was bad? I am glad that they picket abortion clinics because those are slaughter houses that murder innnocent babies. The abortionists should be charged with murder. Abortion should be outlawed. I am not condoning what they do. What are your thoughts on the islamic terrorists who murder innocent people who haven't killed anyone? If warning the girls that what they are doing is wrong, then I am for harrassing the girls if it will save innocent babies lives. Christians do not picket gay funerals. That person Fred Phelps is a fridge nutcase and doesn't represent even .0001% of Christians. Pain when there should be compassion? I guess that's why the Church helps millions of people in need, including those victimized by the hurricanes. Cultural genocide? Explain. You mean like the evolutionists do? Hitler, Stalin and the other evil evolution practicing murderers. Telling the people the truth IS love. You are telling lies and leading people to an eternal doom in hell. Is that love? It's worse than murdering their physical body because the consequences are eternal and hell is worse for people who do such things. Lu 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. {hindered: or, forbad}
Interesting to me that you even go to Church. If I were going to reject God's word, the Bible, His plan for salvation, His teachings, I wouldn't call myself a Christian and I wouldn't go to Church. Why waste your time on something you don't even believe in? I don't get people like you. I really don't. You would actually be better off when you are judged if you didn't, unless you repent and turn to Christ for salvation, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placed your faith in Him alone.
LOVE is honest. LOVE tells the truth, even when it's not convenient. LOVE doesn't lie. LOVE does what is in the best interest of others, EVEN if they get upset about it or disagree.
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The only valid statement in that rant is the final paragraph.
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Ted;1512364 wrote: I have become an ecumenist and recognize the validity of all the worlds great faiths. I believe that God (If He/She/It exists) has spoken to folks around the world in a way they can best undeerstand. Yes they all have their extremists and that included Christianity. There are those who would say I'm not a Christian. I will leave that up to God too judge and they better do so themselves..
Ecumenist just means that you don't really adhere to the teachings of your own religion. All religions cannot be true because they all contradict each other. Either one is true and the others are false, or they are all false. I believe that Christianity is the only true religion. I think that God has spoken to folks around the world a way that they can understand also, in the person of Jesus Christ and through His word. Your beliefs are NOT Christian, that is true. You have no basis for your beliefs other than your own feelings. You are in extreme spiritual danger. The Bible is our guide to Spiritual truth.
Ecumenist just means that you don't really adhere to the teachings of your own religion. All religions cannot be true because they all contradict each other. Either one is true and the others are false, or they are all false. I believe that Christianity is the only true religion. I think that God has spoken to folks around the world a way that they can understand also, in the person of Jesus Christ and through His word. Your beliefs are NOT Christian, that is true. You have no basis for your beliefs other than your own feelings. You are in extreme spiritual danger. The Bible is our guide to Spiritual truth.
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There are many forms of Christianity, and each one believes theirs to be the 'ture' one. Remember, Jesus wasn't a Christian himself, so was he not of the 'true' faith either.
You do have the other option correct, though, that they are all false.
You do have the other option correct, though, that they are all false.
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Ted;1512370 wrote: The only Bible that Jesus had was the Old Testament. Was that the pre-Easter Jesus or the post-Easter Jesus?
Jesus affirmed the Old Testament scriptures and that He is the one who inspired them. The New Testament was written by the actual eyewitnesses who were there including His disciples and half brothers.
Jesus affirmed the Old Testament scriptures and that He is the one who inspired them. The New Testament was written by the actual eyewitnesses who were there including His disciples and half brothers.
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Ted;1512373 wrote: The historical Jesus that is the pre-Easter Jesus was crucified and buried. Corpses do not come out of the grave and walk about. We would call then zombies. The Historical Jesus is dead and burried. Now we get to the post-Easter Jesus. This Jesus was and is the spirit of the historical Jesus if you like and he has influenced history in many ways. What we saw in Jesus was the true nature of God as best we could describe.
Of course corpses don't come out of the grave and walk about. But Jesus predicted that He would and then He did it, proving who He was/is. The Historical Jesus rose from the dead. That's why Christianity exploded the way that it did after His resurrection. He wasn't just the Spirit of the Historical Jesus, He was God in the flesh and rose from the dead in the flesh. I actually agree that what we saw in Jesus was the true nature of God, because He IS God in the flesh.
Of course corpses don't come out of the grave and walk about. But Jesus predicted that He would and then He did it, proving who He was/is. The Historical Jesus rose from the dead. That's why Christianity exploded the way that it did after His resurrection. He wasn't just the Spirit of the Historical Jesus, He was God in the flesh and rose from the dead in the flesh. I actually agree that what we saw in Jesus was the true nature of God, because He IS God in the flesh.
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xfrodobagginsx;1512555 wrote: Of course corpses don't come out of the grave and walk about. But Jesus predicted that He would and then He did it, proving who He was/is. The Historical Jesus rose from the dead. That's why Christianity exploded the way that it did after His resurrection. He wasn't just the Spirit of the Historical Jesus, He was God in the flesh and rose from the dead in the flesh. I actually agree that what we saw in Jesus was the true nature of God, because He IS God in the flesh.
The Jesus you are talking about never even existed. He was just another invention of the early scammers. They did quite well, because people like you are still hanging on desperately to the fabricated stories. I think, supposing that guy really lived, he must have been just a moron walking around in his flipflops muttering a heap of garbage until someone did some value adding by claiming the bludger could actually walk on water and heal the odd person from their ailment. But that was written after his supposed death anyway.
Now, for approximately 2000 years millions or even billions of idiots have been looking up at the clouds every day to see their imaginary saviour to tell them that they have been good boys and girls, and they would be accepted at a really special location. That would include even the child molesters, I am told.
Yes, it all makes sooo much sense.
The Jesus you are talking about never even existed. He was just another invention of the early scammers. They did quite well, because people like you are still hanging on desperately to the fabricated stories. I think, supposing that guy really lived, he must have been just a moron walking around in his flipflops muttering a heap of garbage until someone did some value adding by claiming the bludger could actually walk on water and heal the odd person from their ailment. But that was written after his supposed death anyway.
Now, for approximately 2000 years millions or even billions of idiots have been looking up at the clouds every day to see their imaginary saviour to tell them that they have been good boys and girls, and they would be accepted at a really special location. That would include even the child molesters, I am told.
Yes, it all makes sooo much sense.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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In my view, heaven is a free gift to all, and human religions cannot control or limit who will receive it. Religion is obsessed with sending people to their hells, they think that they decide who is saved; salvation is for everyone. There is no formula to get to heaven, it will freely come to us all, because God loves us all.
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FourPart;1512397 wrote: If God created Man with the choice of whether to obey or not, and then to demand obedience, and to opt to commit genocide they choose the latter, doesn't that indicate a bit of a conflict. Put in Human terms that would be diagnosed as Schizophrenic & Psychotic.
As for Easter - well, that far predates Jesus. Infact it has nothing at all to do with the Bible. It is the festival of Oesther, the Pagan Goddess of New Life, hence the connections with Easter Eggs & Easter Bunnies. The same can be said for the feast of Yule, based on the Winter Solstice. The Christians just changed their own dates to conveniently crowbar their own beliefs into those previously held for thousands of years by other cultures, who had got on quite contentedly before the introduction the the New Order of Christian Religion.
God gave man 1 commandment and man still failed. It's not God's fault, it's man's fault. Easter is a pegan holiday and the early Catholic Church replaced it with the resurrection of Christ. The reason that the Catholic Church did this is because their new converts to the faith were so entrenched in paganism, they were afraid to take away all of their traditions because it would be too tough on them, so they replaced them with Christian ones. Pagans don't have a monopoly on those dates or on bunnies or trees or eggs. Either way, there is nothing wrong with Christmas or Easter because it no longer represents those pegan holidays.
As for Easter - well, that far predates Jesus. Infact it has nothing at all to do with the Bible. It is the festival of Oesther, the Pagan Goddess of New Life, hence the connections with Easter Eggs & Easter Bunnies. The same can be said for the feast of Yule, based on the Winter Solstice. The Christians just changed their own dates to conveniently crowbar their own beliefs into those previously held for thousands of years by other cultures, who had got on quite contentedly before the introduction the the New Order of Christian Religion.
God gave man 1 commandment and man still failed. It's not God's fault, it's man's fault. Easter is a pegan holiday and the early Catholic Church replaced it with the resurrection of Christ. The reason that the Catholic Church did this is because their new converts to the faith were so entrenched in paganism, they were afraid to take away all of their traditions because it would be too tough on them, so they replaced them with Christian ones. Pagans don't have a monopoly on those dates or on bunnies or trees or eggs. Either way, there is nothing wrong with Christmas or Easter because it no longer represents those pegan holidays.
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FourPart;1512413 wrote: Yet being thousands of miles from the said location, they still claim to know, verbatim exactly what Person A said to Person B when no-one else, other than the 2 named parties were there.
They DID know because the Holy Spirit inspired them to write it. That's why it all fits together like one person wrote it. They couldn't have known what the other person wrote. Think about that. No, it's 40 different authors and it all fits together like 1 book.
They DID know because the Holy Spirit inspired them to write it. That's why it all fits together like one person wrote it. They couldn't have known what the other person wrote. Think about that. No, it's 40 different authors and it all fits together like 1 book.
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Ted;1512433 wrote: The opposition of others to the Christian faith is not surprising. Fundamentalism and literal readings of the Bible make the faith seem like utter foolishness. If I didn't know better I to would call it foolish and ferry tales. Midrash is a whole ancient way to look at the Bible and one that makes sense The way some look at the concept of God they try to make the Divine into a human being. This is pure nonsense.
So, radical Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists don't bother you, but actually believing the Bible does? It's a spiritual thing. Think about it. If the Bible were a lie, you would accept it like you do the false religions. It's not foolish and it's not fairy tales, but interestingly, would you say that about islam? I'm curious. As you well know by now because I have told you, midrash didn't come along until well after the Bible was completed. Get a clue. What you are saying is pure non sense.
So, radical Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists don't bother you, but actually believing the Bible does? It's a spiritual thing. Think about it. If the Bible were a lie, you would accept it like you do the false religions. It's not foolish and it's not fairy tales, but interestingly, would you say that about islam? I'm curious. As you well know by now because I have told you, midrash didn't come along until well after the Bible was completed. Get a clue. What you are saying is pure non sense.
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Ted;1512436 wrote: I've heard that argument about be ready adnosium. It is nonsense. Be about what is best for your brothers and sister around the world and in every country. Proselytizing is a waste of time and harmful. Look at the First Nations in Canada. The harm the missionaries did is unconscionable.
I will stick to actually believing what the Bible says. Being a good person doesn't get you to heaven because you are already a sinner. Otherwise, Jesus Christ wouldn't have had to die on the cross and rise from the dead as He did.
I will stick to actually believing what the Bible says. Being a good person doesn't get you to heaven because you are already a sinner. Otherwise, Jesus Christ wouldn't have had to die on the cross and rise from the dead as He did.
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Fuzzy;1512446 wrote: :-2:-3:wah:
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