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xfrodobagginsx;1517867 wrote: I wholly agree. She would have been a total disaster as President. I agree with you on that. Where we disagree is on Trump. Trump is doing a great job of turning America back in the right direction.


The Beast is loose, and the Bride becomes the Harlot

Trump is doing a good job of trying to take American back to the past. Drip.

LarsMac;1517675 wrote: You seem to enjoy obsessing over Hilary.

Maybe we can get her to run again, so you can have a few more years of hating Hilary.


LarsMac: How in the world could you think that HILLARY would be a good President knowing all of the corrupt things she has done? I am very curious, do you not believe these things or do you know that they are true and you just don't care?

xfrodobagginsx;1517882 wrote: LarsMac: How in the world could you think that HILLARY would be a good President?


Possibly because when her husband was President we had the best economic and peaceful years we've ever had as a country?

xfrodobagginsx;1517882 wrote: LarsMac: How in the world could you think that HILLARY would be a good President knowing all of the corrupt things she has done? I am very curious, do you not believe these things or do you know that they are true and you just don't care?


And what makes you think that I believe that Hilary would be a good president?

Though I don't buy all that crap you guys seem to believe about her. Most of that is BS.

However, Donald has proven himself to be all that I ever expected of him. I just hope we still have a nation when he is done.

Fuzzy;1517741 wrote: I agree with xbaggofroddyinsx on this one. It doesn't matter whether you're voting Democrats or Republican. So long as you're voting Jesus, you know what you're doing, NOT.


I never said that it doesn't matter if you are voting Democrat or Republican, but what I am saying is that there are true Christians on both sides.

LarsMac;1517751 wrote: Democrats of the mid 20th century in the South were not the same as Democrats in the Industrial North.

In the South they were far more conservative, and yes, may have been even more conservative that your average Republican of the day. They strove to maintain the segregation and exploitation of the coloreds and kept the Unions at bay.

In the 60s, the Northern Dems began to work at taking over the political machinery of the Democratic Party to force integration and help Unions get a foothold in the South.

In the 1968 Election, we saw the conservatives begin to separate from the Democratic Party, first my trying to form the more conservative Southern Democrats. by the mid 70s most conservatives began turning to the Republican Party who was happy to get a real foothold in the South.

This Southern faction quickly began driving the Republicans deeper into the the Conservative Spectrum.

Of Course this forced the Democrats to move to the right, as well. We now have the political center far to the right of what it was in the 60s.


As the south became less and less racist, more and more of them became Republican. The racist southerners remained Democrats to the end.



Watch this short video to get the real truth on the Party switch:

xfrodobagginsx;1517901 wrote: As the south became less and less racist, more and more of them became Republican. The racist southerners remained Democrats to the end.



Watch this short video to get the real truth on the Party switch:






OK, that is BULLSh!t

Plain and Simple

True that Blacks were seldom republican in the South, because the Southern Democrats would seldom permit Blacks to even vote, in the South. And by mid 20th Century, the Republicans did not even represent the party that once stood for Abolition.

We moved to the South when I was young, my father and many of his friends were Republicans, and complained about the power the Democratic party in the South held.

There were counties that would not allow you to register Republican. And when Republicans began to gain a foothold in the South, it was the young techies and industrialist from the Northern and Western cities, coming to take on the new industries and scientific programs.

When the Desegregation movement started to take hold it was the Northern Democrats that came to help. And children of the Northern and Western Republicans who joined the marches.

The "Dixiecrat Movement" was the Southern Democrats reaction to the Yankees and Troublemakers coming to the South to "Stir up trouble." And yes Sir! we stirred up some trouble.

Most of the Republicans held a "Don't Rock the Boat" attitude. They just wanted to make a living.

LarsMac;1517782 wrote: And there you have it, in a nutshell. Nobody really seems to know what a Political Liberal really is. And if big spending is the definition of a liberal, that bill that the GOP in Congress is pushing will boost the national debt by a trillion bucks. Guess the GOP are a bunch of liberals, too.


You might construe the GOP tax bill as liberal. You could make that case, but I would say that you would be wrong because of the result of the tax cuts. Historically, tax cuts actually raise tax revenue, the GDP will grow and the national debt will not grow by 1 trillion dollars. The reason is because the $1 Trillion debt estimate is based upon Obama's poor GDP. Trump has already had 3% in his first year double of Obama's average GDP. I will admit that George W Bush, under the Democrat Congress, DID spend like a liberal, which increased out national debt and hurt the economy.



I told you what a Liberal is. They want Big Government, Pro Abortion, Pro Gay Agenda, Anti Gun, Spend, Spend, Spend, High Taxes, Pro Government Hand Outs, Anti Police, Anti Christian, Pro Affirmative Action, Anti America, Pro Illegal immigration, ect. ect. ect. This is the way it is in America.

My wife has reminded me of Prov 26:4-5



Or as Mark Twain put it

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I think I am done here.

Ted;1517822 wrote: Jesus like the rest of us was a very human being. Though we do see in this Jesus something of the nature of God if y6ou so believe. H was murdered for disturbing the Roman authorities. He was killed for subversive activities. That being said he was also a very skilled with his knowledge. Those who want to make him God should read some history. Imagine Jesus praying in Gesthemanie. If he was God he was talking with himself.


He is 100% God and 100% man at the same time. Those who don't want to make Him God should read some history, especially the eyewitness writings of the Bible. He performed miracles, He fulfilled hundreds of prophecies written hundreds of years before His birth, He walked on water, He predicted His own death, burial and resurrection and then died and rose again. He showed Himself to hundreds of people after His resurrection and then ascended into heaven in front of them. In a sense, He WAS praying to Himself. The Father, Son and Spirit are one. Jesus is our example of how to live and commune with God.

Fuzzy;1517827 wrote: That is all true. He was perfect, he wasn't rebellious and he wasn't committing any sins. All because he never existed. You just can't get more perfect than that.

BTW, baggyfrodo, sin is just a religious concept. It doesn't exist either. There are only errors and mistakes. We all make them and Jesus would have too, if he existed.


All because He did exist and you are kidding yourself. You are ignoring the historians of His day and shortly afterward, the eyewitness writings and early Church writings. Sin does exist. You can make these false claims all you want, it doesn't make it true. Jesus didn't make mistakes, He is God and is still alive and well. He has performed miracles in my family.

LarsMac;1517831 wrote: America has never gone away from Capitalism.

However, unregulated Capitalism is the worst possible economy. And you Stormtrumpers have no clue what that even means.

I hope you never have the opportunity to find out just how wrong you are. I would not wish that on anyone.


Wrong. Obama and the Democrats and even Bush's policies moved us closer and closer to Socialism which doesn't work. High regulations on businesses and high taxes on business were chocking business. But Trump came in and unchained these businesses by cutting the over regulation and decreasing the tax burden so that these businesses could compete, encouraged competition and not the economy is soaring. If you want to see Socialism, look at Spain, Italy, Venezuela and most other bankrupt countries. I am getting to see how right I am by watching Trump's economy. Love it. I told you watch and see that Trump would have a great economy and now it's happening.

xfrodobagginsx;1517963 wrote: Wrong. Obama and the Democrats and even Bush's policies moved us closer and closer to Socialism which doesn't work. High regulations on businesses and high taxes on business were chocking business. But Trump came in and unchained these businesses by cutting the over regulation and decreasing the tax burden so that these businesses could compete, encouraged competition and not the economy is soaring. If you want to see Socialism, look at Spain, Italy, Venezuela and most other bankrupt countries. I am getting to see how right I am by watching Trump's economy. Love it. I told you watch and see that Trump would have a great economy and now it's happening.


you live in a television bubble

LarsMac;1517850 wrote: Like most uninformed people, you confuse the political and the economic structures of the country.

I suggest that you go to your local junior college and sign up for a course in political science before you continue this conversation.


Capitalism vs. Socialism



https://www.diffen.com/difference/Capit ... _Socialism

xfrodobagginsx;1517965 wrote: Capitalism vs. Socialism



https://www.diffen.com/difference/Capit ... _Socialism


I reckon that's a start.

LarsMac;1517874 wrote: The Beast is loose, and the Bride becomes the Harlot


????

xfrodobagginsx;1517969 wrote: ????


And I thought you knew the Bible

Ted;1517875 wrote: Trump is doing a good job of trying to take American back to the past. Drip.


Taking America back to when it was at it's peak economically, spiritually and morally. LOVE IT!!!

xfrodobagginsx;1517977 wrote: Taking America back to when it was at it's peak economically, spiritually and morally. LOVE IT!!!


You haven't a clue what you are talking about.

I don't want to use this thread as a political debate thread. It's not the intention. If you want to do that, let me create threads on different topics like I was doing, or let me make a master thread or something.

xfrodobagginsx;1517984 wrote: I don't want to use this thread as a political debate thread. It's not the intention. If you want to do that, let me create threads on different topics like I was doing, or let me make a master thread or something.


Well, once the thread is out there, it no longer belongs to you. It takes on a life of its own.

Nature of the beast.

Lars: I noticed your quote about Billy Graham. Although I disagree with him on that point, I consider him to be the greatest evangelist of the 20th century. He preached the true gospel.

xfrodobagginsx;1517987 wrote: Lars: I noticed your quote about Billy Graham. Although I disagree with him on that point, I consider him to be the greatest evangelist of the 20th century. He preached the true gospel.


So, you disagree with the greatest Evangelist of the 20th century on what point, exactly. That a preacher should stay out of Politics?

You think that The True Gospel has anything to to with Partisan Politics?

LarsMac;1517988 wrote: So, you disagree with the greatest Evangelist of the 20th century on what point, exactly. That a preacher should stay out of Politics?

You think that The True Gospel has anything to to with Partisan Politics?


Yes I think Peachers should be involved in Politics. I believe that Politics and Religion are intertwined. Your Religion or lack thereof affects your Politics.

I had great respect for Billy Graham though I did not and do not always agree with him unless I saw what he was saying as metaphor.

Ted;1518039 wrote: I had great respect for Billy Graham though I did not and do not always agree with him unless I saw what he was saying as metaphor.


He most certainly was not preaching metaphor. He was serious and people responded by the millions to the call of the Holy Spirit through the word of God. He was a Southern Baptist. They don't allegorize the Bible.

'A grateful nation' mourns: Billy Graham honored at U.S. Capitol

Read more at ‘A grateful nation’ mourns: Billy Graham honored at U.S. Capitol

Just want to remind anyone who hasn't yet to take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll.

Nearly 1 Million US Evangelical Christians Are Jewish:

Nearly 1 million U.S. evangelicals are Jewish

It's interesting because the Jews will one day as a nation turn to Christ Jesus as prophesied in the Bible.

xfrodobagginsx;1518074 wrote: Nearly 1 Million US Evangelical Christians Are Jewish:

Nearly 1 million U.S. evangelicals are Jewish


The Bible says that one day all of Israel will accept Jesus as their Messiah.

jesus dosnt exist.....same as god, yahweh, allah or any other of the dreamed up sky fairies

religion is a crutch for the weak minded and a marketing tool for con men to extort money from said weak minded fools

beowulf;1518109 wrote: jesus dosnt exist.....same as god, yahweh, allah or any other of the dreamed up sky fairies

religion is a crutch for the weak minded and a marketing tool for con men to extort money from said weak minded fools


You say Jesus doesn't exist. I hope you realize that there are dozens of early historical writings from his time and shortly thereafter. The Gospels are eyewitness writings of Jesus. Herod tried to KILL Jesus because of the Biblical prophecies written of Him from hundreds of years before. You are kidding yourself.

Secondly, religion is about ceremony and ritual. Christianity is about a R E L A T I O N S H I P with Jesus Christ for salvation. It's a real, genuine, relationship with the living God that you cannot have without placing your faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Any born again Christian will testify to this reality and it's also written about in the Bible.

I would also disagree that being a Christian makes you weak minded and a fool. I think it makes you stronger. It's easy to follow the crowd and go along with the status quo. Christians often stand alone in their faith and belief, while being ganged up on by non believers. It's easy to just accept what the schools and the world says about evolution and that there is no God and not research the other side of the story. It takes a strong person to research both sides of the issue and know why the other side believes what it believes.

Does date of Billy Graham's death symbolize Moses?

Read more at Does date of Billy Graham’s death symbolize ancient Bible hero?

xfrodobagginsx;1518156 wrote: Does date of Billy Graham's death symbolize Moses?

Read more at Does date of Billy Graham’s death symbolize ancient Bible hero?


Seriously?

You people are nuts.

LarsMac;1518157 wrote: Seriously?

You people are nuts.


You people? That's not a nice way to put things for one. That aside, I never said that I necessarily agree with the article. I just posted it for something to think about.

xfrodobagginsx;1518174 wrote: You people? That's not a nice way to put things for one. That aside, I never said that I necessarily agree with the article. I just posted it for something to think about.


Ok, let me rephrase that.

Those people are NUTS!

LarsMac;1518157 wrote: Seriously?

You people are nuts.


Umm...yeah. That's what I thought too. Billy Graham was an intolerant bigot. Jesus said, "Do unto others." He never said, "Do unto others unless they are gay, not white, or in some other way not like you." He was what I call a "Sunday Christian." Someone who piously attends church, and tells themselves how Christian they are on Sunday, then is mean and hateful to everyone all week long.

Billy Graham was a Bigot - Do Not Mourn His Death

LarsMac;1518157 wrote: Seriously?

You people are nuts.


They may be right and they may be wrong, but I do know that God does use symbolism in the things He does. I found it interesting that the greatest evangelist of the 1800s, D.L. Moody died in December of 1899. But of course we don't know for sure what God is doing or thinking unless He tells us.

xfrodobagginsx;1518202 wrote: They may be right and they may be wrong, but I do know that God does use symbolism in the things He does. I found it interesting that the greatest evangelist of the 1800s, D.L. Moody died in December of 1899. But of course we don't know for sure what God is doing or thinking unless He tells us.


Well, suppose you could rustle up some documentation that explains the significance of February 21 in the Jewish world?

I think she made that up.

Saint_;1518176 wrote: Umm...yeah. That's what I thought too. Billy Graham was an intolerant bigot. Jesus said, "Do unto others." He never said, "Do unto others unless they are gay, not white, or in some other way not like you." He was what I call a "Sunday Christian." Someone who piously attends church, and tells themselves how Christian they are on Sunday, then is mean and hateful to everyone all week long.

Billy Graham was a Bigot - Do Not Mourn His Death


Billy Graham, the greatest evangelist of the 20th Century a bigot? He worked with Dr. Martin Luther King. You speak from great ignorance. Billy graham was a great man and is in heaven right now. Piously attends church? You speak from great ignorance. He was a very loving man. He sacrificed being with his family for months at a time to go out and preach the gospel so that those who would accept Christ's message of love and salvation would be saved. That's what Billy Graham did. Disagreeing with you or anyone else doesn't make him a bigot. Believing what the Bible says doesn't make you a bigot. Hating Christians for believing the Bible and disagreeing with you DOES make you a bigot.

xfrodobagginsx;1518231 wrote: Billy Graham, the greatest evangelist of the 20th Century a bigot? He worked with Dr. Martin Luther King. You speak from great ignorance.


No, he was a homophobe. He stated it many times. Evangelist Billy Graham was a Homophobe

Billy graham was a great man and is in heaven right now.


He was a hater and, on the slim chance that God forgave him, the homosexual people in Heaven with him must be laughing out loud.

Piously attends church? You speak from great ignorance. He was a very loving man.


You can't go to church and call yourself Christian, then not accept people for what they are and hate on them. That's not what Jesus said. If you pray then hate, you're a hypocrite.

Disagreeing with you or anyone else doesn't make him a bigot.


No, being homophobic does.

Believing what the Bible says doesn't make you a bigot.


Let's not get into the literal translation of the Bible tiff, shall we? Otherwise, I'll have to ask you why you don't own slaves, (Exodus 21: 7-8) carry out cannibalism, (II Kings 6:28-29) or have incest with your sister (II Kings 13:14)

Hating Christians for believing the Bible and disagreeing with you DOES make you a bigot.


Unike Mr. Graham, I accept all people for who they are, gay, straight, other races, or other religions. Heck, I even accept people like you for who they are!

LarsMac;1518203 wrote: Well, suppose you could rustle up some documentation that explains the significance of February 21 in the Jewish world?

I think she made that up.


I think that they did have some religiously symbolic reasons, but like I said, it doesn't necessarily make them right. It's just that there are a lot of Jewish holidays, so to make the claim is difficult.

https://www.hebcal.com/holidays/

Saint_;1518242 wrote: No, he was a homophobe. He stated it many times. Evangelist Billy Graham was a Homophobe



He was a hater and, on the slim chance that God forgave him, the homosexual people in Heaven with him must be laughing out loud.



You can't go to church and call yourself Christian, then not accept people for what they are and hate on them. That's not what Jesus said. If you pray then hate, you're a hypocrite.



No, being homophobic does.



Let's not get into the literal translation of the Bible tiff, shall we? Otherwise, I'll have to ask you why you don't own slaves, (Exodus 21: 7-8) carry out cannibalism, (II Kings 6:28-29) or have incest with your sister (II Kings 13:14)



Unike Mr. Graham, I accept all people for who they are, gay, straight, other races, or other religions. Heck, I even accept people like you for who they are!


Homophobe (plural homophobes)A person who is prejudiced against homosexuals and homosexuality.

Billy Graham was NOT a Homophobe. He was not prejudice against homosexuals. He did not HATE homosexuals. He believed that homosexuals should have all of the same rights as heterosexuals. With that said, he believed what the Bible said, that homosexuality is a sin. Not agreeing with the homosexual agenda doesn't make him a hater. Unless you are willing to say that those who don't agree with Christians are also haters. Do they HATE Christians? Do you HATE Christians?

You can't ignore what the Bible says and then tell Christians that they aren't Christian for following what the Bible says. That's a joke right? You keep calling him a hater, but it sounds like you hate him for his beliefs and therefore think you have a right to call him a hater. You are claiming to care about what Jesus said, but the whole Bible was inspired by Jesus and it's clear in the Bible that it is a sin to be gay. Is Jesus hateful? Was paul hateful? Of course Christians are still to love Gay people. Speaking an opinion isn't hate unless you are willing to say that you speaking your opinion disagreeing with Billy Graham is hateful.

Literal translation is what we are supposed to do. What you want to do is "translate" the Bible so that it agrees with what you want it to day rather than what it actually says. You can't do that.

Why don't I own slaves? The slavery in the OT was optional to pay off debts. It was for a period of 7 years. It wasn't the slavery like that of the other Countries of the world that was involuntary. No where in the Bible is cannibalism allowed. Are you kidding? The Bible tells factual information about cannibalism occurring, it's not allowing it. Incest was allowed in the Beginning because the Children of Adam and Eve had no one else to marry. The DNA was perfect at that time as well, so the chance of deformities was very slim. It was later forbidden by God once the law was given. That's why incest is a sin.

Unlike you, Christians accept all people for who they are, it's just that we also have a right to disagree with them about their lifestyle if it goes against what the Bible says. Fornication, Adultery, Homosexuality are all sexual sins according to the Bible, but God still loves them. If you want to argue about it, take it up with God, He said it in His word. Christians accept people of all races and religions, but it seems that you don't accept people from the religion of Christianity. Muslims and other religions also believe that homosexuality and adultery are sins, are they hateful? Answer me on this. Or is it just Christians? Muslims actually kill gay people for being gay. Do you accept that?

I even accept people like you for who you are too, but like you, I also have a right to my opinion. You aren't the only one. So, unless you are willing to say that you are hateful for disagreeing with Billy Graham on his opinion of homosexuality, you can't call him hateful, because he was a very loving man.

SCIENCE CONFIRMS GENESIS FLOOD ACCOUNT, AGAIN



Science confirms Genesis Flood account, again

Book Says That Jesus May Have Been Unattractive, Disfigured:

‘What Did Jesus Look Like?’: Controversial book by Joan Taylor

Isa 53:2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.

Einstein was no dummy when it came to God

Einstein was no dummy when it came to God

xfrodobagginsx;1518274 wrote: Einstein was no dummy when it came to God

Einstein was no dummy when it came to God


LINK: Albert Einstein talks about God

LarsMac;1518287 wrote: LINK: Albert Einstein talks about God


Well, Obviously someone is lying here. Einstein is quoted discretely as saying that He believes in God:

Einstein stated in an interview published in G.S. Viereck’s book Glimpses of the Great, 1930: “I’m absolutely not an atheist. ¦ The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.