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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:56 pm
by Betty Boop
It sparkles for me to see all these old faces back and taking the time and effort to post, so welcome back all of you, hope you can stay :-6:-4
(Also slightly ashamed that Theia bumped the Hitch-hikers thread, I never did finish that one, not even sure where my copy is

)
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:01 pm
by Odie
Accountable;1317231 wrote: Well, sparks sparkle, and there's been sparks aplenty in this thread!
Its sparkles now to see so many members return!:guitarist
oh yeah, sparks and fireworks in this thread.:yh_rotfl
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:37 pm
by Accountable
Betty Boop;1317242 wrote: (Also slightly ashamed that Theia bumped the Hitch-hikers thread, I never did finish that one, not even sure where my copy is

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You & I both, dear. You & I both.

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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:42 pm
by Betty Boop
Accountable;1317269 wrote: You & I both, dear. You & I both.
We won't tell her then
We could start again, try another book. Bleak House by Charles Dickens is a wonderful read, she'd be really pleased if we did that one

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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:58 pm
by Accountable
Betty Boop;1317270 wrote: We won't tell her then
We could start again, try another book. Bleak House by Charles Dickens is a wonderful read, she'd be really pleased if we did that one

Bleak House by Charles Dickens - Project Gutenberg
I can try. :yh_sweat
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:10 pm
by spot
Accountable;1317273 wrote: I can try. :yh_sweat
It's a trap, she had it for coursework last term!
I'll tell you what, though, I enjoyed the recent William Gibson novel, Pattern Recognition. It has a background in product placement and branding generally and a plot that hangs together by the end.
Here's a paragraph of how he writes, I've loved the style from his first novel all the way to now.My God, don't they know? This stuff is simulacra of simulacra of simulacra. A diluted tincture of Ralph Lauren, who had himself diluted the glory days of Brooks Brothers, who themselves had stepped on the product of Jermyn Street and Savile Row, flavoring their ready-to-wear with liberal lashings of polo knit and regimental stripes. But Tommy surely is the null point, the black hole. There must be some Tommy Hilfiger event horizon, beyond which it is impossible to be more derivative, more removed from the source, more devoid of soul. Or so she hopes, and doesn't know, but suspects in her heart that this in fact is what accounts for his long ubiquity.
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:31 pm
by G#Gill
Royd Fissure;1317214 wrote: "We are stardust
We are golden
And we've go to get ourselves........"
back to the GARDEN............. very appropriate song for FG ! :-6:D
YouTube - Matthews Southern Comfort - Woodstock
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:15 pm
by WonderWendy3
Thank you for the warm welcome backs! I pop in from time to time...I don't have much time to commit to the garden like I did back in the day...but its good to see old friends! I miss you guys!:-4
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:03 pm
by Peg
It's always great to see you. How's life treating you?
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:57 pm
by WonderWendy3
Peg;1317290 wrote: It's always great to see you. How's life treating you?
Life is good...busy, hectic and has me beat up pretty good but its still good!
I'm only working one job now, but put in a lot of OT, getting my BA in Healthcare and trying to enjoy life as much as possible.
My sweet grandfather passed away June 1st and his passing put a lot of things into perspective for me! :-6
thanks for asking!!
to keep the thread topic in mind...my eyes are sparkling because Peg is my friend!! :-4:-6
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:54 pm
by Peg
I'm sorry about your grandfather. :-1
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:14 pm
by AussiePam
I'm sorry too, WonderWendy. Nice to see you again too, Peg!
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:19 pm
by Peg
Always good to see you too Pam. :-4
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:07 am
by mrsK
Hello Pam,Kaz,Fuzzy:-6
So sorry to hear about your grandad WW.
Good to see you back here:-6
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:10 am
by AussiePam
Gosh, mrsK - the last few days have been a real nostalgia trip for me. I've caught up with people I thought I'd probably never see again. I'm enjoying the moment. Hope things are okay with you. Busy this end, but good.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:12 am
by theia
Betty Boop;1317242 wrote: It sparkles for me to see all these old faces back and taking the time and effort to post, so welcome back all of you, hope you can stay :-6:-4
(Also slightly ashamed that Theia bumped the Hitch-hikers thread, I never did finish that one, not even sure where my copy is

)
Five years, yes, five years is what it took for someone to reply to me. What do you and Acc think that did to me, deep down in my already fragile psyche? You don't know this, Betty, but I would check that thread every single day of that five years, sometimes even twice. In my darkest hours I would click, and I would hope...to no avail.
Family, friends and counsellors advised me to stay away from the thread, they said it wasn't helping me, they said it wasn't my problem and that perhaps my question evoked painful issues in others. But it all got too much...I left FG for a while. When I returned, I didn't go near HGTTG...until yesterday when the answer hit me full in the face...theia, respond to it yourself!
Do I feel healed? I wouldn't phrase it like that. Instead I would say, "Healing is taking place." The fragmented parts of my self are, once more, beginning to blend together. It's a long process but I can now truthfully say, I'm getting there.
I hope my post helps others and would invite pms from anyone who is suffering the trauma of an unanswered post. You will get better, my friends, you will
:-6
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:37 am
by AussiePam
theia;1317300 wrote: Five years, yes, five years is what it took for someone to reply to me. What do you and Acc think that did to me, deep down in my already fragile psyche? You don't know this, Betty, but I would check that thread every single day of that five years, sometimes even twice. In my darkest hours I would click, and I would hope...to no avail.
Family, friends and counsellors advised me to stay away from the thread, they said it wasn't helping me, they said it wasn't my problem and that perhaps my question evoked painful issues in others. But it all got too much...I left FG for a while. When I returned, I didn't go near HGTTG...until yesterday when the answer hit me full in the face...theia, respond to it yourself!
Do I feel healed? I wouldn't phrase it like that. Instead I would say, "Healing is taking place." The fragmented parts of my self are, once more, beginning to blend together. It's a long process but I can now truthfully say, I'm getting there.
I hope my post helps others and would invite pms from anyone who is suffering the trauma of an unanswered post. You will get better, my friends, you will
:-6
First time I'd seen the thread, Theia!! So many sparkling threads are casualties of the much less scintillating ones which tend to swamp gems like your own so tragically passed-over masterpiece.
Had we known the psychic trauma you'd suffered, I'm sure Betty would have knitted you at least a dozen brown cardigans, and I'd have made the effort to learn to brew tea for you. (Even though that would have been an abomination...... )
"Ghastly, isn't it? All the doors on this spaceship have been programmed to have a cheery and sunny disposition. "
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:16 am
by theia
AussiePam;1317305 wrote: First time I'd seen the thread, Theia!! So many sparkling threads are casualties of the much less scintillating ones which tend to swamp gems like your own so tragically passed-over masterpiece.
Had we known the psychic trauma you'd suffered, I'm sure Betty would have knitted you at least a dozen brown cardigans, and I'd have made the effort to learn to brew tea for you. (Even though that would have been an abomination...... )
"Ghastly, isn't it? All the doors on this spaceship have been programmed to have a cheery and sunny disposition. "
You talked about "balance" in one of your earlier posts, Pammie, and I think you hit the nail on the head. There is room for all manner of thread on FG and we each have something different to contribute...but we need a fair balance so that we can all stay involved. There has been talk, in recent months, of staying away from threads that you don't like but that has meant there were hardly any to participate in.
Over the past couple of days, I've really enjoyed being here. Sparkle is back.
Please don't mention, knitting, Pammie. If you're unsure what I mean, just ask Snowfire.
And don't think I didn't notice your jibes (gibes?) on HGTTG. I am biding my time (and trying like mad to find a HGTTG response :wah:)
:-4
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:20 am
by theia
Betty Boop;1317270 wrote: We won't tell her then
We could start again, try another book. Bleak House by Charles Dickens is a wonderful read, she'd be really pleased if we did that one
Charlie was merely the front man, I was the ghost writer and I really don't want to revisit, thank you

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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:16 am
by Nomad
theia;1317300 wrote: Five years, yes, five years is what it took for someone to reply to me. What do you and Acc think that did to me, deep down in my already fragile psyche? You don't know this, Betty, but I would check that thread every single day of that five years, sometimes even twice. In my darkest hours I would click, and I would hope...to no avail.
Family, friends and counsellors advised me to stay away from the thread, they said it wasn't helping me, they said it wasn't my problem and that perhaps my question evoked painful issues in others. But it all got too much...I left FG for a while. When I returned, I didn't go near HGTTG...until yesterday when the answer hit me full in the face...theia, respond to it yourself!
Do I feel healed? I wouldn't phrase it like that. Instead I would say, "Healing is taking place." The fragmented parts of my self are, once more, beginning to blend together. It's a long process but I can now truthfully say, I'm getting there.
I hope my post helps others and would invite pms from anyone who is suffering the trauma of an unanswered post. You will get better, my friends, you will
:-6
This has got to be one of the saddest things Ive ever seen. Sadder than a mosquito sucking on a mummy.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:44 am
by Betty Boop
theia;1317300 wrote: Five years, yes, five years is what it took for someone to reply to me. What do you and Acc think that did to me, deep down in my already fragile psyche? You don't know this, Betty, but I would check that thread every single day of that five years, sometimes even twice. In my darkest hours I would click, and I would hope...to no avail.
Family, friends and counsellors advised me to stay away from the thread, they said it wasn't helping me, they said it wasn't my problem and that perhaps my question evoked painful issues in others. But it all got too much...I left FG for a while. When I returned, I didn't go near HGTTG...until yesterday when the answer hit me full in the face...theia, respond to it yourself!
Do I feel healed? I wouldn't phrase it like that. Instead I would say, "Healing is taking place." The fragmented parts of my self are, once more, beginning to blend together. It's a long process but I can now truthfully say, I'm getting there.
I hope my post helps others and would invite pms from anyone who is suffering the trauma of an unanswered post. You will get better, my friends, you will
:-6
FIVE YEARS!! And all those times I visited and you never once mentioned it, wow your restraint is amazing, certainly something to be admired. The guilt lays heavy on me to think that in the last two years I have read in excess of 100 books but have failed to read HGTTG in the space of five. I am a crap friend hey.
I hereby solemnly declare with these members here as my witnesses, that the Brown Cardi is yours, a fine tribute to this great restrained woman before us.
(Betty frantically searches round her wardrobe, hoping and praying that she didn't throw it in the last charity shop collection sack

)
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:55 am
by spot
Betty Boop;1317316 wrote: I hereby solemnly declare with these members here as my witnesses, that the Brown Cardi is yours, a fine tribute to this great restrained woman before us. I've seen many a noble gesture in my time but that takes the biscuit.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:16 am
by G#Gill
spot;1317317 wrote: I've seen many a noble gesture in my time but that takes the biscuit.
Digestive, bourbon or garibaldi ?

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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:41 am
by spot
G#Gill;1317320 wrote: Digestive, bourbon or garibaldi ?
Rich tea, surely, in such exalted company.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:44 am
by G#Gill
Trouble with Rich Tea is that they get too soggy, too quickly when you 'dunk' them, don't you think?

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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:52 am
by Snowfire
G#Gill;1317327 wrote: Trouble with Rich Tea is that they get too soggy, too quickly when you 'dunk' them, don't you think?
They make them slightly too big too. They never quite fit in the cup. You have to nibble a bit off the side for it to fit. Of course I double them up for a bit of support - helps with the saggage - but then I've got the mouth for it
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:02 am
by theia
Betty Boop;1317316 wrote: FIVE YEARS!! And all those times I visited and you never once mentioned it, wow your restraint is amazing, certainly something to be admired. The guilt lays heavy on me to think that in the last two years I have read in excess of 100 books but have failed to read HGTTG in the space of five. I am a crap friend hey.
I hereby solemnly declare with these members here as my witnesses, that the Brown Cardi is yours, a fine tribute to this great restrained woman before us.
(Betty frantically searches round her wardrobe, hoping and praying that she didn't throw it in the last charity shop collection sack

)
I didn't want to upset you, Betty, it's just not in my nature...so I struggled on, alone.
THE BROWN CARDI :yh_worshp:yh_youkid:yh_cry Can't believe it...the brown cardi. Betty, Betty, Betty, thank you, my friend. When are you bringing it over (not that I'm graspy or anything foul like that)
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:10 am
by G#Gill
Snowfire;1317328 wrote: They make them slightly too big too. They never quite fit in the cup. You have to nibble a bit off the side for it to fit. Of course I double them up for a bit of support - helps with the saggage - but then I've got the mouth for it

:yh_rotfl
I have size trouble with digestives, I have to break them in half before they will fit into my coffee mug. Oh such problems, makes life soooo difficult ! :-5 :yh_rotfl :rolleyes:
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:40 am
by littleCJelkton
theia;1317300 wrote: Five years, yes, five years is what it took for someone to reply to me. What do you and Acc think that did to me, deep down in my already fragile psyche? You don't know this, Betty, but I would check that thread every single day of that five years, sometimes even twice. In my darkest hours I would click, and I would hope...to no avail.
Family, friends and counsellors advised me to stay away from the thread, they said it wasn't helping me, they said it wasn't my problem and that perhaps my question evoked painful issues in others. But it all got too much...I left FG for a while. When I returned, I didn't go near HGTTG...until yesterday when the answer hit me full in the face...theia, respond to it yourself!
Do I feel healed? I wouldn't phrase it like that. Instead I would say, "Healing is taking place." The fragmented parts of my self are, once more, beginning to blend together. It's a long process but I can now truthfully say, I'm getting there.
I hope my post helps others and would invite pms from anyone who is suffering the trauma of an unanswered post. You will get better, my friends, you will
:-6
I don't know about 5 years, but my first comment on here was on a thread about Heightism, in the General Forums>Societal Issues & news, that thread, hassn't got a post since I posted on it back in on the 1st of this month. The first thread I made What Defines Love on the 2nd has 104 views and no posts. There are a couple other threads on here I have made a comment on and haven't seen action since. Though again it's only been almost a month not a year or five. I don't really care if they posted on or nor do I expect them to, especially not the heightism thread for the very same reasons I posted on that thread. I think this is a circumstance belongs on Lon's sensitivity thread, which discusses to what end to you let it get to you what people over the internet you probably never meet think, affect you mentally so that it effects you and the ones around you that you do know in person.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:40 am
by Accountable
theia;1317300 wrote: Five years, yes, five years is what it took for someone to reply to me. What do you and Acc think that did to me, deep down in my already fragile psyche? You don't know this, Betty, but I would check that thread every single day of that five years, sometimes even twice. In my darkest hours I would click, and I would hope...to no avail.
Family, friends and counsellors advised me to stay away from the thread, they said it wasn't helping me, they said it wasn't my problem and that perhaps my question evoked painful issues in others. But it all got too much...I left FG for a while. When I returned, I didn't go near HGTTG...until yesterday when the answer hit me full in the face...theia, respond to it yourself!
Do I feel healed? I wouldn't phrase it like that. Instead I would say, "Healing is taking place." The fragmented parts of my self are, once more, beginning to blend together. It's a long process but I can now truthfully say, I'm getting there.
I hope my post helps others and would invite pms from anyone who is suffering the trauma of an unanswered post. You will get better, my friends, you will
:-6
You're going to develop this into a Boxing Day panto, aren't you.

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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:10 am
by Snowfire
Accountable;1317364 wrote: You're going to develop this into a Boxing Day panto, aren't you.
Don't ask me to be the arse end of a horse
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:43 am
by Accountable
Snowfire;1317391 wrote: Don't ask me to be the arse end of a horse
But you've got the most experience. :yh_rotfl
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:58 am
by G#Gill
littleCJelkton;1317363 wrote: I don't know about 5 years, but my first comment on here was on a thread about Heightism, in the General Forums>Societal Issues & news, that thread, hassn't got a post since I posted on it back in on the 1st of this month. The first thread I made What Defines Love on the 2nd has 104 views and no posts. There are a couple other threads on here I have made a comment on and haven't seen action since. Though again it's only been almost a month not a year or five. I don't really care if they posted on or nor do I expect them to, especially not the heightism thread for the very same reasons I posted on that thread. I think this is a circumstance belongs on Lon's sensitivity thread, which discusses to what end to you let it get to you what people over the internet you probably never meet think, affect you mentally so that it effects you and the ones around you that you do know in person.
This happens to me as well. It happens to a lot of people. You put in a post, then somebody comes in after and plonks something in that is totally different, then somebody answers that post and not yours, then off it goes and you're forgotten!
I'm afraid it happens a lot on forums, you just have to carry on and forget about it, it isn't a very big deal really. Sometimes it is just that people feel they can't contribute anything to a particular subject, so they move off to another thread.
It happens !

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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:12 am
by theia
Accountable;1317364 wrote: You're going to develop this into a Boxing Day panto, aren't you.
OH NO I'M NOT :wah:
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:20 am
by hoppy
Youse guys are sure getting a lot of mileage out of this thread on a forum that doesn't sparkle anymore.:yh_rotfl
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:34 am
by G#Gill
theia;1317412 wrote: OH NO I'M NOT :wah:
Oh yes you are !!!!! ...................................... LOOK OUT ! BEHIND YOU !!!!! :yh_rotfl
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:35 am
by G#Gill
hoppy;1317413 wrote: Youse guys are sure getting a lot of mileage out of this thread on a forum that doesn't sparkle anymore.:yh_rotfl
Do you think it's got a bit more sparkle to it now, hoppy? :-6

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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:04 pm
by Kathy Ellen
This thread is sparkling !!!!!!!
I definitely think that this thread is great and hope it goes on and on until some things are resolved.
It's nice to see lots of members returning to say hello:-6
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:38 pm
by Kathy Ellen
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:45 pm
by G#Gill
Kathy Ellen;1317431 wrote:
Excellent, Kathy ! :-6:-6:-6:guitarist:guitarist:guitarist
But can it be done in GREEN ?
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:57 pm
by Kathy Ellen
Sure Gill...words can be done in any color...
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:56 pm
by Odie
G#Gill;1317436 wrote: Excellent, Kathy ! :-6:-6:-6:guitarist:guitarist:guitarist
But can it be done in GREEN ?
I remember when we had to type in green!:yh_rotfl
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:59 pm
by fuzzywuzzy
WonderWendy3;1317292 wrote: Life is good...busy, hectic and has me beat up pretty good but its still good!
I'm only working one job now, but put in a lot of OT, getting my BA in Healthcare and trying to enjoy life as much as possible.
My sweet grandfather passed away June 1st and his passing put a lot of things into perspective for me! :-6
thanks for asking!!
to keep the thread topic in mind...my eyes are sparkling because Peg is my friend!! :-4:-6
I love it when I see old friends on FB come here to FG :wah:
Wendy poo!!!! It's all about you hee hee heee
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:10 pm
by G#Gill
Kathy Ellen;1317438 wrote: Sure Gill...words can be done in any color...
You clever little Noo Joiseyite
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:26 pm
by AussiePam
Morning all. And it's midwinter / midsummer solstice! OK, in Australia, Fuzzy's grass is probably sparkling with frost (mine is just wet), while in America, tomorrow, Kathy's beach will be sparkling with sunshine. Kathy will be putting ice in her cosmo. AussiePam will be joining a bunch of mates in the pub this evening where there will be a roaring log fire (I'm digging out some holly and ivy type Chrissie decs to take along). BUT FIRST ===== I gotta skid onto the thin ice of this chilly Monday morning, COFFEEEEEE!!
(PS Think I caught a glimpse of Chezzie!!! )
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:45 pm
by fuzzywuzzy
We are paganing up tonight . I have almost finished decorating the kitchen and lounge. (I've decided Boris can live a couple of weeks longer and instead we'll have duck and lamb for dinner. )
I've made the straw wreaths and brought in as much greenery without turning the place into a forest.And the burning of the log will happen post haste at 7;00 pm tonight .
And yes plently of frost (and snow on the hills Baw Baw and Hotham are not bad at the moment.)
:-6:-6Welcome to the new season everyone.:-6:-6
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:39 pm
by along-for-the-ride
This is kinda fun. :wah: Click on my screen name below and watch me sparkle.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:40 pm
by chonsigirl
Heat up some hot cocoa Pam and fuzzy, sounds like a cold winter ahead!
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:43 pm
by Odie
fuzzywuzzy;1317470 wrote: We are paganing up tonight . I have almost finished decorating the kitchen and lounge. (I've decided Boris can live a couple of weeks longer and instead we'll have duck and lamb for dinner. )
I've made the straw wreaths and brought in as much greenery without turning the place into a forest.And the burning of the log will happen post haste at 7;00 pm tonight .
And yes plently of frost (and snow on the hills Baw Baw and Hotham are not bad at the moment.)
:-6:-6Welcome to the new season everyone.:-6:-6
Hard to believe its fall there, sounds like you place really looks nice.
enjoy!:-6
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:02 pm
by fuzzywuzzy
Actually it's winter. 1st of June