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theia;521409 wrote: Context and intent are the main factors, I suppose?


Yes, words are like Abbey said, just words, but we give them meaning and intent, and thats what its all about. In this case on the television, the Jade girl seems not to have made one offhand remark, but has been constantly bullying and deingrating this other Indian girl. I don't think its actually because she is an Indian, its because she is beautiful, refined, and elegant, and Jade feels threatened because she is not any of those things herself, so she uses this girls "otherness" to insult her, because its the easiest line of attack. It seems more about class than anything else, or Jades lack of it, which I suppose is as quintessentially British as it gets really. Its interesting how this things are so self-reinforcing.

abbey;521415 wrote: If that's how she did it then yes, i did'nt watch it.


She didn't actually, she was laughing at the Indian girl behind her back with her friend and making fun of the fact that she had a non-English sounding surname, but the principal is the same. She probably isn't self-aware enough to know why thats not a very noble thing to be doing, but thats TV for you, shes being unpleasant and we are all watching her and talking about it, why not, its a change from the football.

Ok Jade made her bed now she can lay in it but what about Germains comment - he called Jades mum White trash . I know he was right , but where was the big fuss when that happened .

pantsonfire321@aol.com;521724 wrote: Ok Jade made her bed now she can lay in it but what about Germains comment - he called Jades mum White trash . I know he was right , but where was the big fuss when that happened .


Valid point, Pants.

Yes, it is, I only saw last nights one, so thats all I have to go on, and thats enough for one year, but pants is right what goes around comes around as well. Very true. Doesn't it remind you of the fights in here sometimes though, It did me.

Diuretic;521729 wrote: They should have had Vicki from Little Britain on there.


I thougt that they already did? "Like WHATEVAWW YUU MINGA!" :wah:

I don't want to upset anyone, but these kinds of show really wind me up.

They put a bunch of 'misfits' in an unrealistic situation and wait for the fireworks to start......big surprises ?....no way.....just human nature rearing it's ugly head in some cases.



Now it's all political...:-5



Jade's not stupid, just poorly educated with no class. It's not hard to see that the Indian girl is way outshines her in beauty, intelligence and class, however I think this has done untold damage to Jades image....people may forgive poor education, but bare faced nastiness and bullying...NO

The other women (past it celebs) are just as guilty in my mind.



Channel 4 are laughing all the way to the bank....and so is BT with all the phone calls of complaint and the voting tonight.

Galbally;521728 wrote: Yes, it is, I only saw last nights one, so thats all I have to go on, and thats enough for one year, but pants is right what goes around comes around as well. Very true. Doesn't it remind you of the fights in here sometimes though, It did me.


Nodding in agreement.....glad you said it first though :p

Bez;521824 wrote: I don't want to upset anyone, but these kinds of show really wind me up.

They put a bunch of 'misfits' in an unrealistic situation and wait for the fireworks to start......big surprises ?....no way.....just human nature rearing it's ugly head in some cases.



Now it's all political...:-5



Jade's not stupid, just poorly educated with no class. It's not hard to see that the Indian girl is way outshines her in beauty, intelligence and class, however I think this has done untold damage to Jades image....people may forgive poor education, but bare faced nastiness and bullying...NO

The other women (past it celebs) are just as guilty in my mind.



Channel 4 are laughing all the way to the bank....and so is BT with all the phone calls of complaint and the voting tonight.


You are right, its all about class, I don't think that girl is a racist either, she just isn't copped on enough to realize that what she is saying is derogatory in a racial way, she is just using it because she thinks its funny. The British Chancellor has asked people to vote for Britain, in tonights eviction, in one way I wan't to laugh because its so ridiculous, but in another I want to cry because if this is what is considered important nowadays, it doesn't say a lot about any of us really. Channel 4 have said they are going to have no public eviction, and the money from tonight will go to charity (thats big of them). I do think this girl has been very unpleasant, but I hope that she doesn't get hounded completely, she is only an ordinary person and she's not hitler or anything, its all a bit hysterical at the moment. Hopefully this will make TV companies a bit more thoughtful about what they are doing in terms of content because something like this was bound to happen eventually, given the way TV has become so vulgarized lately.

Jade has said sorry !!



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6277875.stm

Bez;521851 wrote: Jade has said sorry !!



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6277875.stm


Oh crap, you mean the War has been cancelled, I had gotten snacks in and everything for when the bombs started falling. :-1 :wah:

All I can think of when I watch it is Teddy Sherringham sitting at home cringing in front of the telly and thinking "Well the book had a really nice cover" :rolleyes:

Galbally;521852 wrote: Oh crap, you mean the War has been cancelled, I had gotten snacks in and everything for when the bombs started falling. :-1 :wah:
Would that be the poppabombs?:D

Uncle Kram;521867 wrote: Would that be the poppabombs?:D


Popabombs indeed, :wah: yes I'll be watching the "inflamatories" dropped on cities from the sky! :wah:

By god sir, you may have come up with a new name for this event, though by using it we might to considered to be promoting the derogation of people from the Indian subcontinent by the references to flat breads! :wah:

"What I find facinating is how our media have created this monster, shamelessly promoting an individual whose only claim to fame was being deeply unpopular in a previous series of Big Brother and being spectacularly thick.

She has been surrounded by very clever individuals who have cultivated the image of a harmless but dim 'woman of the people' It speaks volumes for the pathetic culture of 'celebrity' that is promoted in this country.

So finally, stripped of her management and PR minders Jade Goody once again opens her mouth and exposes herself once again as a deeply unpleasant person.

No doubt we can expect her PR minders to go into overdrive when she finally leaves the house when she will be carefully coached in what to say and how to say it to save her 'career'

Unfortunately Channel 4 will be ****-a-hoop over the issue as ratings for the dreadful rubbish have soared.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear as Ms Goody amply demonstrates.

May I suggest to Channel 4 that they include a couple of psychopaths in the next series, viewing figures (which is all important) will go through the roof.

Posted by Malcolm Reed on January 19, 2007 12:40 PM"

From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... view17.xml

Edit: Why the hell can't I say "c0ck-a-hoop"?

Try saying door-knob

Bill Sikes;521893 wrote: "What I find facinating is how our media have created this monster, shamelessly promoting an individual whose only claim to fame was being deeply unpopular in a previous series of Big Brother and being spectacularly thick.

She has been surrounded by very clever individuals who have cultivated the image of a harmless but dim 'woman of the people' It speaks volumes for the pathetic culture of 'celebrity' that is promoted in this country.

So finally, stripped of her management and PR minders Jade Goody once again opens her mouth and exposes herself once again as a deeply unpleasant person.

No doubt we can expect her PR minders to go into overdrive when she finally leaves the house when she will be carefully coached in what to say and how to say it to save her 'career'

Unfortunately Channel 4 will be ****-a-hoop over the issue as ratings for the dreadful rubbish have soared.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear as Ms Goody amply demonstrates.

May I suggest to Channel 4 that they include a couple of psychopaths in the next series, viewing figures (which is all important) will go through the roof.

Posted by Malcolm Reed on January 19, 2007 12:40 PM"

From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... view17.xml

Edit: Why the hell can't I say "c0ck-a-hoop"?


Can't argue with any of that really. But you could try saying "over the moon" instead of ****-a-hoop, though I think that moon can also be used in a bad way no?

Good lord you are not allowed to say ****, whats that about? I mean can you say hen, can you say rooster, can you penis? What is this all about tombstone?

Pinky;521956 wrote: I only watched the first one, and about half way through I decided it wasn't worth bothering with. I can't stand reality TV anyway, I mean we all live real life - I want to watch TV for a bit of escapism!

That aside, I am one for first impressions, and I must admit that I decided that the housemates were probably the most self-obsessed, uninspiring buch of people that I've ever seen lumped together in one place. Once they brought the Goody family into it, well, I'd rather chew my own toenails off than be subjected to listening to screamy fits that don't even make sense.


Self-absorbed celebrities? Surely not? :wah:

Diuretic;521964 wrote: Is that Jade sheila a bit mentally incapacitated? Seriously. She looks like a nutter.


Yes, she does a bit, but she gives good "argument" apparently. :yh_rotfl Well thats whay people get for making foolish young girls famous for being not very copped on about life init? I say its all our own fault, there is a little bit of Jade in us all, :yh_cry (but there will never be a little bit of me in her though oohh no. :yh_sick)

Pinky;521969 wrote: Some come across as fairly normal, but they always pick the slightly screwy ones for BB!


I dunno I suppose it depends on what they do, people who are famous doctors tend to be quite doctory, people who are famous actors tend to be all luvie, people who are famous for being morons, well.

But it seems that most of the people who get involved in these shows are pretty desperate characters, who are strapped for cash and cheap publicity, we kinda love it though, its like gladiators without the blood (yet). :wah:

Pinky;521976 wrote: :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl


I know, I laughed myself at that one! But really, :yh_sick.

Diuretic;521981 wrote: That's a one-liner you don't hear nowadays. 'Are you sure you don't have a little bit of Irish inside you? Would you like some?" I suppose it doesn't work any more.

Jeez I can be vulgar at times. Must be that Jade sheila.


Yeah we try the more subtle approach nowadays, you have to keep up with the times of course! :wah:

So what is going to happen tonight, when she comes out? Will they take her out the back quietly and do her in, or will she be hung from the tower of London? God love her, shes an eegit, but she is gonna get one almighty shock when she comes out! Even we can't believe this, and our brains work properly! :-2

Diuretic;521983 wrote: All those new towns in Essex, like Billericay. I remember I was a very little kid and they were trucking people out of the camps in South London and telling their relatives that were left behind that they were being transported to Essex.


I dunno about Bilercay, but Colchester was very nice, I like Essex people, they are funny, naughty too, down to earth as well usually. But there are a lot of boy racers all right.

Diuretic;521995 wrote: I worked with a bloke who was in the British Army in Colchester, he was a PT instructor there.

I was taking the p with the Essex remark, just like we do here when discussing people from states other than our own, who all, funnily enough, have some very strange characteristics.


Oh I met some squaddies when I was there, I thought they would try and beat me up cause I was Irish, but they were dead sound, then they would get drunk and beat me up of course! :wah:

I don't care for Ms Goodie or any of them but i find it odd that no one is interested in the white trash comment . I find the fact that it's being ignored much more offensive . :-5

Galbally;521984 wrote: Yeah we try the more subtle approach nowadays, you have to keep up with the times of course! :wah:



So what is going to happen tonight, when she comes out? Will they take her out the back quietly and do her in, or will she be hung from the tower of London? God love her, shes an eegit, but she is gonna get one almighty shock when she comes out! Even we can't believe this, and our brains work properly! :-2


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,, ... 94,00.html



Anyone going to watch it ??

Bez;522038 wrote: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,, ... 94,00.html



Anyone going to watch it ??


Yep, got me popcorn ready...and me knitting

Bez;522038 wrote: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,, ... 94,00.html



Anyone going to watch it ??


Oh I will probably have a look I would say, its like watching a car crash really, ghoulish but riveting really. Its also silly, so its nice not to be worrying about all the other really crazy stuff in the world for a minute, like Bagdad for example.

theia;522052 wrote: Yep, got me popcorn ready...and me knitting


What time's it on Theia ?

pantsonfire321@aol.com;522006 wrote: I don't care for Ms Goodie or any of them but i find it odd that no one is interested in the white trash comment . I find the fact that it's being ignored much more offensive . :-5


I don't think he actually called Jackiey 'white trash'. He said something along the lines that people in America could view her as it.

pantsonfire321@aol.com;522006 wrote: I don't care for Ms Goodie or any of them but i find it odd that no one is interested in the white trash comment . I find the fact that it's being ignored much more offensive . :-5


Well I would say they are probably equally offensive really, and seeing how this thing had developed, everyone in there is going to be disected about their views really. Its the way the thing is going everyone is going to be talking about how offended they are, by everything. I just hope they don't really crucify this girl Jade, she's an eegit, but you know, they gave her the platform for this so its not all her fault, and she's not that bad, just a bit of a bully and not very clever.

saffy;522073 wrote: I don't think he actually called Jackiey 'white trash'. He said something along the lines that people in America could view her as it.


Well, its still not a nice thing to say to someone, is it? Saying that if they were somewhere else they would be seen as White Trash, Its like saying to a black person, "you know if this was a Klu Klux Clan house you'd probably get shot or something", isn't it? Not very nice subtext really.

Bez;522068 wrote: What time's it on Theia ?


8.30-9.30 and 10.30-11.05, Bez, Channel 4

No I agree..I equally find people calling chav's offensive.

I was just pointing out that he didn't say "Jackiey is white trash.":)

He was talking about TV shows like the Jerry Springer show and Rikki Lake and she reminded him of the people off of those shows.

Summit like that anyway..check on youtube the clip might be on there.

Galbally;522075 wrote: Well I would say they are probably equally offensive really, and seeing how this thing had developed, everyone in there is going to be disected about their views really. Its the way the thing is going everyone is going to be talking about how offended they are, by everything. I just hope they don't really crucify this girl Jade, she's an eegit, but you know, they gave her the platform for this so its not all her fault, and she's not that bad, just a bit of a bully and not very clever.


And, again, so much is down to the editing

And she is being made a scapegoat....danielle is far worse.

As far as I know she made the one comment to do with Shilpa's name calling her popadom but Danielle said she should **** off back home and various other unsavioury things.

Well, I watched this part tonight, and I have to say I found it quite dramatic, especially when because there were no crowds outside, Jade has started to realize that something is going horribly wrong. Its certainly interesting, whatever else it may be.

It will be boring tomorrow though, but I won't be watching so I don't mind.

Galbally;522223 wrote: Well, I watched this part tonight, and I have to say I found it quite dramatic, especially when because there were no crowds outside, Jade has started to realize that something is going horribly wrong. Its certainly interesting, whatever else it may be.

It will be boring tomorrow though, but I won't be watching so I don't mind.


When Jade was in the diary room, crying, all I could see was a frightened, lonely little girl. And I felt ashamed for having been so critical of her. But then I got to thinking that perhaps we are all frightened and lonely little children, trying so hard to be "adult" and "mature," and that few of us have really got it right.