jester:-6
My complaints about the west are not directed at you personally. We each do our best, I'm sure. As a corporate Christian society the west has failed. All we can do as individuals is our best to bring such injustice and lack of compassion to those who have the means to make changes. Of course we both know that such changes have to begin in the hearts and minds of individuals. It is there as the parable of the mustard seed shows that change begins and then it grows and grows and spreads eventually to all of the world. We need that great transformation for the good of the human race.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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jester:-6
I concur.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I concur.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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What I fail to understand is this Kingdom we are promised. What I see when I open my eyes and visit religious writings or events are a bunch of zombie organisms being led to do right by some hope of everlasting life. Why must a promise of some reward be the motivation to do what is morally and ethically right?
The truth is, Ted&Jester, mankind struggles to be less of a beast and fails miserably. Every day, all around the world man behaves more like a beast then ever.
Why do think this is? Some faiths would say it is because there are only a chosen few who can ever inhabit the Kingdom of God. They can't all be the only ones.
Some faiths would say the evil is powerful, based on their interpretation of evil of course.
I say it is because we are inconsequential to the scheme of things. Simply tiny implosions of energy feeding the rest of the universe and the promise of everlasting life is nothing like what we've been encouraged to belive.
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Sooo¦.
When the wind blows he tells me I can’t see him but I can see what he does.
If I look into the heavens at night God reminds me of how small I am and how great he is.
As winter comes and leaves fall from the trees he tells me that death comes but it must if there is to be spring and new life.
When the wind blows he tells me I can’t see him but I can see what he does.
If I look into the heavens at night God reminds me of how small I am and how great he is.
As winter comes and leaves fall from the trees he tells me that death comes but it must if there is to be spring and new life.
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The well driller who doesn't stop when he reaches water is doomed to drill the rest of his life without drinking what he seeks.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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Double Helix:-6
Those who have been part of the "Great Transformation" do not engage in actions because of some promise. They engage in an action because it meets a need of someone else. To put it simply, it is the right thing to do. Christians generally "give" without thinking about some promise. We are told to give "silently" and tell no one else.
The same is true in the Qur'an. Muslims are told to give alms and tell no one.
I can but guess about the other great faiths of the world but know that they were founded on a striving for justice and compassion.
Those of faith generally give because of the necessity for justice and compassion. Of course there are some who will give because of the promise. According to the sacred scriptures that will not cut it. There are no brownie points. Matt. 25, Matt 22, Micah 6 all make this clear. Now since I am not the judge I cannot judge the motivations of others.
While I do not believe in Satan as an individual I do accept that there is a power of evil in the world and it affects many people. If one so believes, they are exercising their free will and choosing evil.
You speak of the Kingdom of God. This is a kingdom that has already arrived and, if one so believes will continue on into eternity. What is this kingdom. It is a kingdom not of politics but where the will of God rules. There is justice and compassion for all. All are treated equally.
Now I must go to a parable. The parable of the mustard seed which we are told is what the kingdom is like. A mustard seed is tiny and grows into a large plant. So too with this kingdom. It starts small and over time it will grow. In fact this is happening not only within the Christian faith but in all faiths. There are many of these groups throughout the world. Here where I live our church community is a good example of such a community. Jean Vanier and his L'arches communities are also examples of this.
Perhaps you could tell me what is wrong with the hope of a world where all live in peace with justice and compassion and are treated equally. Will it happen here on earth? God alone can give the answer to that but in the meantime these communities do exist and continue to get larger.
One does not have to be religious to help in achieving this hope. What are you doing to help bring it about?
Shalom
Ted:-6
Those who have been part of the "Great Transformation" do not engage in actions because of some promise. They engage in an action because it meets a need of someone else. To put it simply, it is the right thing to do. Christians generally "give" without thinking about some promise. We are told to give "silently" and tell no one else.
The same is true in the Qur'an. Muslims are told to give alms and tell no one.
I can but guess about the other great faiths of the world but know that they were founded on a striving for justice and compassion.
Those of faith generally give because of the necessity for justice and compassion. Of course there are some who will give because of the promise. According to the sacred scriptures that will not cut it. There are no brownie points. Matt. 25, Matt 22, Micah 6 all make this clear. Now since I am not the judge I cannot judge the motivations of others.
While I do not believe in Satan as an individual I do accept that there is a power of evil in the world and it affects many people. If one so believes, they are exercising their free will and choosing evil.
You speak of the Kingdom of God. This is a kingdom that has already arrived and, if one so believes will continue on into eternity. What is this kingdom. It is a kingdom not of politics but where the will of God rules. There is justice and compassion for all. All are treated equally.
Now I must go to a parable. The parable of the mustard seed which we are told is what the kingdom is like. A mustard seed is tiny and grows into a large plant. So too with this kingdom. It starts small and over time it will grow. In fact this is happening not only within the Christian faith but in all faiths. There are many of these groups throughout the world. Here where I live our church community is a good example of such a community. Jean Vanier and his L'arches communities are also examples of this.
Perhaps you could tell me what is wrong with the hope of a world where all live in peace with justice and compassion and are treated equally. Will it happen here on earth? God alone can give the answer to that but in the meantime these communities do exist and continue to get larger.
One does not have to be religious to help in achieving this hope. What are you doing to help bring it about?
Shalom
Ted:-6
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JAB;736006 wrote: As Clint was trying to point out, let's try this again....
When the random notes of music come together to stir your soul, God reminds us that things not seen can be felt.
When I wake up to a new dawn, God gives me the encouragement of another day to fulfill my purpose on this earth.
Thank you and Jester for getting it.
Oh well:driving:
When the random notes of music come together to stir your soul, God reminds us that things not seen can be felt.
When I wake up to a new dawn, God gives me the encouragement of another day to fulfill my purpose on this earth.
Thank you and Jester for getting it.
Oh well:driving:
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the black words
against the white pages,
a chapter opened~
between morning’s silence
the Word whispers new hope
against the white pages,
a chapter opened~
between morning’s silence
the Word whispers new hope
What is God Saying to You?
theia;733402 wrote: Most of the time it seems like God says nothing. I'm caught up in my woes and ills and wonder if I'm just fooling myself into believing that God even exists.
And then, as if from nowhere, I have one of those beautiful moments when everything seems in perfect order, beautifully planned and crafted. And I know that all is well. These moments are wordless, but they say so much.
I understand you Theia. Its the moments of clarity that keep my wonders alive.
An epiphany of some small nature will astound me yet I still resist.
Food for thought.
http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html
And then, as if from nowhere, I have one of those beautiful moments when everything seems in perfect order, beautifully planned and crafted. And I know that all is well. These moments are wordless, but they say so much.
I understand you Theia. Its the moments of clarity that keep my wonders alive.
An epiphany of some small nature will astound me yet I still resist.
Food for thought.
http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html
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Ted;735971 wrote:
One does not have to be religious to help in achieving this hope. What are you doing to help bring it about?
Shalom
Ted:-6
Which is my point, Ted.
I do not look at the world, the universe or any other natural thing and see God. No God created the stars, life, air etc, in my mind.
A natural combination of elements and events that perpetuates itself, that is all life is.
Man, from the formation of his intellect, has questioned his existence. He needs an explanation for his existence, for life, death, suffering and joy. Thus was born God(s), to explain everything. Thus was born the eternal battle between good and bad because there had to be some REASON for it all.
If some choose to put aside science and fact and maintain that blindness of faith, more power to them.
Myself, I understand that action, good or bad, begets reaction which is sometimes, because of ignorance, unpredictable and sometimes because of reason, not so unpredictable. Meaning good deeds do no always beget good deeds in return, and human kindness is not a god given talent but a deliberate decisive action one takes for differing reasons be it hormonal, emotional or for hope of reward.
What do I do? I give of myself until I cannot give anymore. I smile when I am suffering, help without being asked, comfort whenever I see one in need, use my own money to provide for those clients I work for and so on. I do this every day of my life on the clock and off, and I do it because it is the right thing to do, not because some mysterious God loves me. Lo and behold, nine times out of ten no one even knows what I've done except the person I did it for and often even they do not know.
You see, my work is with the sick, frail, elderly and destitute. I don't get paid a lot but the reward of knowing I made someones day with a new plant, a toiletry they couldn't afford, some clothing, curtains for there window or just a loving hug and kiss on the cheek that allows me to keep going in this world full of base and selfish humans.
Many of my coworkers have the same philosophy as me, if not the same beliefs.
So, not to put your beliefs or efforts down in any way, what are you doing to bring about the hope of a better world, recycling the blind-mans faith in an unseen, untouchable all encompassing God, or do you just recycle your paper and glass? Perhaps you are volunteering at your local Synagogue or maybe you donated to the local soup kitchen? In any case, if it brings you closer to knowing who you are then more power to you.
You, like me, came into this world with nothing and you will leave it with nothing. No on can change that. When we are gone and buried in the ground or burnt to ash, our energy will return to the elements we originated from to be assimilated into new formations just like the stars and planets in the universe.
That sir, is the ultimate truth. No miracle will occur in our lifetimes just as none occurred in our fore fathers. No loving God will stop our sun from burning out and no all powerful God will end all the suffering in this world. A man might, by setting of a powerful bomb, a comet might by smashing into the earth, but no God will have a hand in our salvation.
If there ever was a God, he has long ago forgotten about us.
That sir, is what "God" says to me.
One does not have to be religious to help in achieving this hope. What are you doing to help bring it about?
Shalom
Ted:-6
Which is my point, Ted.
I do not look at the world, the universe or any other natural thing and see God. No God created the stars, life, air etc, in my mind.
A natural combination of elements and events that perpetuates itself, that is all life is.
Man, from the formation of his intellect, has questioned his existence. He needs an explanation for his existence, for life, death, suffering and joy. Thus was born God(s), to explain everything. Thus was born the eternal battle between good and bad because there had to be some REASON for it all.
If some choose to put aside science and fact and maintain that blindness of faith, more power to them.
Myself, I understand that action, good or bad, begets reaction which is sometimes, because of ignorance, unpredictable and sometimes because of reason, not so unpredictable. Meaning good deeds do no always beget good deeds in return, and human kindness is not a god given talent but a deliberate decisive action one takes for differing reasons be it hormonal, emotional or for hope of reward.
What do I do? I give of myself until I cannot give anymore. I smile when I am suffering, help without being asked, comfort whenever I see one in need, use my own money to provide for those clients I work for and so on. I do this every day of my life on the clock and off, and I do it because it is the right thing to do, not because some mysterious God loves me. Lo and behold, nine times out of ten no one even knows what I've done except the person I did it for and often even they do not know.
You see, my work is with the sick, frail, elderly and destitute. I don't get paid a lot but the reward of knowing I made someones day with a new plant, a toiletry they couldn't afford, some clothing, curtains for there window or just a loving hug and kiss on the cheek that allows me to keep going in this world full of base and selfish humans.
Many of my coworkers have the same philosophy as me, if not the same beliefs.
So, not to put your beliefs or efforts down in any way, what are you doing to bring about the hope of a better world, recycling the blind-mans faith in an unseen, untouchable all encompassing God, or do you just recycle your paper and glass? Perhaps you are volunteering at your local Synagogue or maybe you donated to the local soup kitchen? In any case, if it brings you closer to knowing who you are then more power to you.
You, like me, came into this world with nothing and you will leave it with nothing. No on can change that. When we are gone and buried in the ground or burnt to ash, our energy will return to the elements we originated from to be assimilated into new formations just like the stars and planets in the universe.
That sir, is the ultimate truth. No miracle will occur in our lifetimes just as none occurred in our fore fathers. No loving God will stop our sun from burning out and no all powerful God will end all the suffering in this world. A man might, by setting of a powerful bomb, a comet might by smashing into the earth, but no God will have a hand in our salvation.
If there ever was a God, he has long ago forgotten about us.
That sir, is what "God" says to me.
What is God Saying to You?
double helix:-6
First of all I commend you for your humanitarian work. That is exactly what Christians are called to do.
Blind faith? To you maybe but not to me. I have had the experiential reality of the divine. You may not so believe but that is fine with me. We must each choose our own path.
I usually hesitate to state what I do because what I do is between myself and the individuals and God. I don't do them for some eternal salvation, though I do accept that, but because it is the right thing to do. Some of what I do is support the local food bank both monetarily and with food as well as physical effort as much as one going blind can do. I help support two foster children. There are many other things that I do but that should suffice. No I don't just talk the talk I do walk the talk.
You many not believe in miracles but I happen to. Why something? Why not nothing? What is life? I could go on but that should suffice.
I happen to live in a Christian community which I think closely but not perfectly demonstrates the Kingdom that Jesus was talking about.
As I asked before what it wrong with justice and compassion? I think you have answered that question by your life's work.
Shalom
Ted:-6
First of all I commend you for your humanitarian work. That is exactly what Christians are called to do.
Blind faith? To you maybe but not to me. I have had the experiential reality of the divine. You may not so believe but that is fine with me. We must each choose our own path.
I usually hesitate to state what I do because what I do is between myself and the individuals and God. I don't do them for some eternal salvation, though I do accept that, but because it is the right thing to do. Some of what I do is support the local food bank both monetarily and with food as well as physical effort as much as one going blind can do. I help support two foster children. There are many other things that I do but that should suffice. No I don't just talk the talk I do walk the talk.
You many not believe in miracles but I happen to. Why something? Why not nothing? What is life? I could go on but that should suffice.
I happen to live in a Christian community which I think closely but not perfectly demonstrates the Kingdom that Jesus was talking about.
As I asked before what it wrong with justice and compassion? I think you have answered that question by your life's work.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;740792 wrote: double helix:-6
First of all I commend you for your humanitarian work. That is exactly what Christians are called to do.
Blind faith? To you maybe but not to me. I have had the experiential reality of the divine. You may not so believe but that is fine with me. We must each choose our own path.
I usually hesitate to state what I do because what I do is between myself and the individuals and God. I don't do them for some eternal salvation, though I do accept that, but because it is the right thing to do. Some of what I do is support the local food bank both monetarily and with food as well as physical effort as much as one going blind can do. I help support two foster children. There are many other things that I do but that should suffice. No I don't just talk the talk I do walk the talk.
You many not believe in miracles but I happen to. Why something? Why not nothing? What is life? I could go on but that should suffice.
I happen to live in a Christian community which I think closely but not perfectly demonstrates the Kingdom that Jesus was talking about.
As I asked before what it wrong with justice and compassion? I think you have answered that question by your life's work.
Shalom
Ted:-6
If more people sought this path path of justice and compassion, humanity MIGHT just survive to travel on into space and spread throughout the universe and survive. Unfortunately, the majority seek to indulge themselves, living for today, rather than embrace the fact that our lives are but a passing moment, a blink within the greater scheme of the total galactic existence. This saddens me. Just thinking about how destructive human beings are to themselves, each other and this globe we inhabit. It sobers me to think of the daily suffering inflicted.
There is nothing wrong with justice or compassion. It is, I believe, what Jesus strived for in his message, having come to a similar conclusion about human selfishness. What came after his death, a sad series of unfortunate events lasting centuries which he had no control over, was to me the biggest rape of the human being.
Thank you Ted. I know there are others all around the world who do walk as they talk, just not enough to make much of a difference I fear.
First of all I commend you for your humanitarian work. That is exactly what Christians are called to do.
Blind faith? To you maybe but not to me. I have had the experiential reality of the divine. You may not so believe but that is fine with me. We must each choose our own path.
I usually hesitate to state what I do because what I do is between myself and the individuals and God. I don't do them for some eternal salvation, though I do accept that, but because it is the right thing to do. Some of what I do is support the local food bank both monetarily and with food as well as physical effort as much as one going blind can do. I help support two foster children. There are many other things that I do but that should suffice. No I don't just talk the talk I do walk the talk.
You many not believe in miracles but I happen to. Why something? Why not nothing? What is life? I could go on but that should suffice.
I happen to live in a Christian community which I think closely but not perfectly demonstrates the Kingdom that Jesus was talking about.
As I asked before what it wrong with justice and compassion? I think you have answered that question by your life's work.
Shalom
Ted:-6
If more people sought this path path of justice and compassion, humanity MIGHT just survive to travel on into space and spread throughout the universe and survive. Unfortunately, the majority seek to indulge themselves, living for today, rather than embrace the fact that our lives are but a passing moment, a blink within the greater scheme of the total galactic existence. This saddens me. Just thinking about how destructive human beings are to themselves, each other and this globe we inhabit. It sobers me to think of the daily suffering inflicted.
There is nothing wrong with justice or compassion. It is, I believe, what Jesus strived for in his message, having come to a similar conclusion about human selfishness. What came after his death, a sad series of unfortunate events lasting centuries which he had no control over, was to me the biggest rape of the human being.
Thank you Ted. I know there are others all around the world who do walk as they talk, just not enough to make much of a difference I fear.
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Can you imagine what this world would be like if the ones who do walk the talk didn't? We should never quit being thankful for them.
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double helix:-6
I absolutely agree. Part of the problem within Christianity is taking the Bible literally instead of the intent with which it was written. Spong has a good book out titled "The Sins of the Scriptures" and he tackles all of those things which you mention and then some.
You may be correct about the future. After listening to the results of Bali I am again appalled at the stupidity of the western leaders. They had to be shamed into agreeing to a watered down statement about more talking. I do think the time for talk is now over and we'd better start the walking part. The prime minister of Canada's attitude seems to be that if others can pollute then so can we.
The excuse that it will hurt our economy is just that. If you have the most sound economy in the world and you are dead it won't do you much good.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I absolutely agree. Part of the problem within Christianity is taking the Bible literally instead of the intent with which it was written. Spong has a good book out titled "The Sins of the Scriptures" and he tackles all of those things which you mention and then some.
You may be correct about the future. After listening to the results of Bali I am again appalled at the stupidity of the western leaders. They had to be shamed into agreeing to a watered down statement about more talking. I do think the time for talk is now over and we'd better start the walking part. The prime minister of Canada's attitude seems to be that if others can pollute then so can we.
The excuse that it will hurt our economy is just that. If you have the most sound economy in the world and you are dead it won't do you much good.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Clint:-6
An excellent point.
Shalom
Ted:-6
An excellent point.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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I take this opportunity to wish to all, regardless of faith or lack thereof, peace, at this season of the year.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Jester;743708 wrote: Last Christmas I reluctantly joined in the office 'good cheer at Christmas time giving', normally I don't get involved, its just not my thing to do.
Last year it involved giveong out baskets full of toys and school supplies for an adopt a classroom program, which means I delivered about 75 laundry baskets full of stuff to school classrooms at Christmas time.
While there, in Mrs D's second grade class a short little 2nd grader walked up to me and tugged on my pants. He asked me if I brought all this stuff, I said yes, he thanked me, and hugged my leg, I patted his head and said I just delivered the stuff, but I'd pass his gratitude unto the ones who bought the stuff. He hugged me again. I stayed and the kids sang christmas carols to us, as I was getting redy to leave the same kid came up to me and grabbed my hand and drug me over to his teacher, asked her if he could take me to his sister class? Again, I just kinda went along not fully realizing what was going on. The kid took me to his sister class and knocked on the door, the teacher opened the door and the kid said, 'here's the man that will take your orders'... the teacher laughed, and played it down not to embarrass me and generally every one was thankful for the help they got. On the way back to the classroom I asked my new little friend why he took me to that class? He said 'that class is my sisters, it didnt get adopted'.
What did God say? 'Jester my friend I have equiped you to meet thier needs". That day that classroom, with a bit of scrambling and a bit of extra deep pockets of the deliverers that day got thier classroom full of stuff for the party.
About mid January this year I met the husband of the teacher "Mrs D". And he and I became friends and then figured out our connection through the Christmas adopt a class program. I kept getting somehow tangled up with either her or her husband, all in good ways of course. Finally it dawned on my that God was saying in my heart, "Jester, I have more for you to do there", so one evening I asked if there were any needs, she said they needed a telescope. So I made sure they got one.
I visit the classroom monthly now and I have a story time with the kids, and I collect up ideas and projects, sometmes I do them, sometimes I pass them on to be done by one of my employees, or friends.
I'm amazed how God works when I am quiet enough to listen.
Absolutely cool!! Thank you for listening to God and sharing this story. It is inspiring.
Last year it involved giveong out baskets full of toys and school supplies for an adopt a classroom program, which means I delivered about 75 laundry baskets full of stuff to school classrooms at Christmas time.
While there, in Mrs D's second grade class a short little 2nd grader walked up to me and tugged on my pants. He asked me if I brought all this stuff, I said yes, he thanked me, and hugged my leg, I patted his head and said I just delivered the stuff, but I'd pass his gratitude unto the ones who bought the stuff. He hugged me again. I stayed and the kids sang christmas carols to us, as I was getting redy to leave the same kid came up to me and grabbed my hand and drug me over to his teacher, asked her if he could take me to his sister class? Again, I just kinda went along not fully realizing what was going on. The kid took me to his sister class and knocked on the door, the teacher opened the door and the kid said, 'here's the man that will take your orders'... the teacher laughed, and played it down not to embarrass me and generally every one was thankful for the help they got. On the way back to the classroom I asked my new little friend why he took me to that class? He said 'that class is my sisters, it didnt get adopted'.
What did God say? 'Jester my friend I have equiped you to meet thier needs". That day that classroom, with a bit of scrambling and a bit of extra deep pockets of the deliverers that day got thier classroom full of stuff for the party.
About mid January this year I met the husband of the teacher "Mrs D". And he and I became friends and then figured out our connection through the Christmas adopt a class program. I kept getting somehow tangled up with either her or her husband, all in good ways of course. Finally it dawned on my that God was saying in my heart, "Jester, I have more for you to do there", so one evening I asked if there were any needs, she said they needed a telescope. So I made sure they got one.
I visit the classroom monthly now and I have a story time with the kids, and I collect up ideas and projects, sometmes I do them, sometimes I pass them on to be done by one of my employees, or friends.
I'm amazed how God works when I am quiet enough to listen.
Absolutely cool!! Thank you for listening to God and sharing this story. It is inspiring.
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jester:-6:-6
Great story and I'll bet you enjoyed every moment of it. Good for you.
Blessings
Ted:-6
Great story and I'll bet you enjoyed every moment of it. Good for you.
Blessings
Ted:-6
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Jester;762920 wrote: A few weeks back I stumbled unto a very old sunday school lesson, the pages were yellowed, and crunchy on the ends, and it was dusty and in a plastic sleeve that had become brittle. It was cutt outs in the old flannelgraph style of story telling and it had 18 lessons, and it was all abotu the armor of God, and it was told through a great adventure story of mid-evil Knights (crusaders).
As I was going through it a small peice of paper fell out, I unfolded it and there in my own boxy slanted handwritting was my name with ''Sir Walther' stuck infront of it, and it came flooding back to me when I last saw this sunday school program, and it was done by my 5th grade sunday school class. Which by the way, every boy in my 5th grade public school class was in that sunday school class.
That program was amazing and I learned so much about God in that class, the teacher, gave each of us names as Knights, me being 'Sir Walther' of course, and we actually made our own armor, each piece, and as we made the armor of God we learned about it biblically, and we would play it on the school grounds, and at home.
I remember coming to this conclusion distinctively and I have never forgotten it.
A sword, is primiarily an offensive weapon, and the bible is called the Sword of God. So the Bible is used for battle. As a weapon we must keep it sharp, and it pays to know your weapon in battle, your life and the lives of your family may depend on it.
That’s what I’m talkin about!:)
As I was going through it a small peice of paper fell out, I unfolded it and there in my own boxy slanted handwritting was my name with ''Sir Walther' stuck infront of it, and it came flooding back to me when I last saw this sunday school program, and it was done by my 5th grade sunday school class. Which by the way, every boy in my 5th grade public school class was in that sunday school class.
That program was amazing and I learned so much about God in that class, the teacher, gave each of us names as Knights, me being 'Sir Walther' of course, and we actually made our own armor, each piece, and as we made the armor of God we learned about it biblically, and we would play it on the school grounds, and at home.
I remember coming to this conclusion distinctively and I have never forgotten it.
A sword, is primiarily an offensive weapon, and the bible is called the Sword of God. So the Bible is used for battle. As a weapon we must keep it sharp, and it pays to know your weapon in battle, your life and the lives of your family may depend on it.
That’s what I’m talkin about!:)
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For myself, He just keeps saying the same thing over and over....
Kill! Kill!! Kill!!! Kill!!!!! :wah:
Seriously though, I think if God exists, there would be no need for him to write a book. It would demonstrate a limitation of his powers ... as if he had to work within the same limitations as a human writer. It kind of screws over the people that were born before the book was published too. How else is a person to know that cutting one's beard is punishable by death? Rather, God would speak directly through nature, or directly to people. Knowledge of God, if needed, would be innate to the people who needed it.
Which is why I think a lot of religious instruction has got it fundamentally backwards. Rather than telling people what to think, religion should be asking people what they think about God. Particularly those not trained in (or biased towards) a particular doctrine.
Great thread BTW!
Kill! Kill!! Kill!!! Kill!!!!! :wah:
Seriously though, I think if God exists, there would be no need for him to write a book. It would demonstrate a limitation of his powers ... as if he had to work within the same limitations as a human writer. It kind of screws over the people that were born before the book was published too. How else is a person to know that cutting one's beard is punishable by death? Rather, God would speak directly through nature, or directly to people. Knowledge of God, if needed, would be innate to the people who needed it.
Which is why I think a lot of religious instruction has got it fundamentally backwards. Rather than telling people what to think, religion should be asking people what they think about God. Particularly those not trained in (or biased towards) a particular doctrine.
Great thread BTW!
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That bit about "cutting one's beard" gives me some concern. Been their and done that. oops. Perhaps now I'm in trouble.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Here we are in the coldest part of winter. The trees are bare, the flowers are in hiding and sometimes the cold makes my bones hurt. This isn’t my favorite time of the year. I sometimes wish it stayed warm with the smells and sights of summer. However, I know I would soon take the warmth and beauty for granted.
I think God is reminding me that when the job isn’t going well, or relationships are testing me, that it needs to be that way. If there weren’t times like that I wouldn’t know how to appreciate the good times. He’s telling me that just as summer comes every year so will peace once again return to my life¦for a season.
I think God is reminding me that when the job isn’t going well, or relationships are testing me, that it needs to be that way. If there weren’t times like that I wouldn’t know how to appreciate the good times. He’s telling me that just as summer comes every year so will peace once again return to my life¦for a season.
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Although it's very cold here, and the beautiful things Clint had to say are true for my area too, God still isn't telling me anything. 
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
I am sorry sometimes, that I don't beleive in a higher power. If I did, I might find some respite from the reality of day to day living.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.I am sorry sometimes, that I don't beleive in a higher power. If I did, I might find some respite from the reality of day to day living.
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Some years ago I had a huge spirtual experience.Hand on heart I would give everything up to have that feeling back again.Im not going into to many details as I guess this is not the thread for that story but I will tell you this. God did speak to me.He gave me a love that was bigger then any human love.....even now typing this as I think back it is bringing tears to my eyes.He put thoughts in my head where I was getting up all hours in the morning just to write themdown.Lovely poetry all about him and life.It all flowed out in rhyme and the words stunned me. I had never wrote or read a poem in my life. I sent a couple to be published and they were.He told me many things my God....I use the word "my" because he is my higher power and although I dont believe in religion as it is man made and causes to much heartache and wars in the world....I truely love my God.He helped me through a bad time in my life by the love he covered over me like a blanket keeping me warm...he showed me the true meaning of love and to love my fellow man no matter what.Ok since then I have made many mistakes in my life and will again many times I know......but the love he gave to me gave me a feeling that money could never buy and that was an experience that will forever be in my heart.
Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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Carolly;770139 wrote: Some years ago I had a huge spirtual experience.Hand on heart I would give everything up to have that feeling back again.Im not going into to many details as I guess this is not the thread for that story but I will tell you this. God did speak to me.He gave me a love that was bigger then any human love.....even now typing this as I think back it is bringing tears to my eyes.He put thoughts in my head where I was getting up all hours in the morning just to write themdown.Lovely poetry all about him and life.It all flowed out in rhyme and the words stunned me. I had never wrote or read a poem in my life. I sent a couple to be published and they were.He told me many things my God....I use the word "my" because he is my higher power and although I dont believe in religion as it is man made and causes to much heartache and wars in the world....I truely love my God.He helped me through a bad time in my life by the love he covered over me like a blanket keeping me warm...he showed me the true meaning of love and to love my fellow man no matter what.Ok since then I have made many mistakes in my life and will again many times I know......but the love he gave to me gave me a feeling that money could never buy and that was an experience that will forever be in my heart.
That is beautiful, Carolly, and comforting. It seems as if you touched the inner core of who we all are...who God is.
That is beautiful, Carolly, and comforting. It seems as if you touched the inner core of who we all are...who God is.
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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theia;770163 wrote: That is beautiful, Carolly, and comforting. It seems as if you touched the inner core of who we all are...who God is.Thankyou theia for that.Ye knowI read the posts sometimes and see people trying to pull apart whatever has been written. Well my experience is mine....nobody elses and that what makes it so special.Only I exactly knows what happened to me and trust me when I say there was so much more.......but nobody can come and try to call me a liar in any way because I KNOW what I know and thats all that matters darlin isn't it.God is within us I truely believe that...shame our everyday crap holds him down so.
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:)Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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Carolly;770170 wrote: Thankyou theia for that.Ye knowI read the posts sometimes and see people trying to pull apart whatever has been written. Well my experience is mine....nobody elses and that what makes it so special.Only I exactly knows what happened to me and trust me when I say there was so much more.......but nobody can come and try to call me a liar in any way because I KNOW what I know and thats all that matters darlin isn't it.God is within us I truely believe that...shame our everyday crap holds him down so.:)
Yes, Carolly, truly yes :-6
:)Yes, Carolly, truly yes :-6
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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theia;770172 wrote: Yes, Carolly, truly yes :-6
Ahhh thanks;)
Ahhh thanks;)
Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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Carolly;770139 wrote: Some years ago I had a huge spirtual experience.Hand on heart I would give everything up to have that feeling back again.Im not going into to many details as I guess this is not the thread for that story but I will tell you this. God did speak to me.He gave me a love that was bigger then any human love.....even now typing this as I think back it is bringing tears to my eyes.He put thoughts in my head where I was getting up all hours in the morning just to write themdown.Lovely poetry all about him and life.It all flowed out in rhyme and the words stunned me. I had never wrote or read a poem in my life. I sent a couple to be published and they were.He told me many things my God....I use the word "my" because he is my higher power and although I dont believe in religion as it is man made and causes to much heartache and wars in the world....I truely love my God.He helped me through a bad time in my life by the love he covered over me like a blanket keeping me warm...he showed me the true meaning of love and to love my fellow man no matter what.Ok since then I have made many mistakes in my life and will again many times I know......but the love he gave to me gave me a feeling that money could never buy and that was an experience that will forever be in my heart.
Thats fantastic Carolly, im glad you experienced that. I loved reading that and your right, NO-ONE can take away how you felt and how it made you get through. Your God's Yours and No-one can take him away from you babes.:-4
Thats fantastic Carolly, im glad you experienced that. I loved reading that and your right, NO-ONE can take away how you felt and how it made you get through. Your God's Yours and No-one can take him away from you babes.:-4
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Chezzie;770278 wrote: Thats fantastic Carolly, im glad you experienced that. I loved reading that and your right, NO-ONE can take away how you felt and how it made you get through. Your God's Yours and No-one can take him away from you babes.:-4
Very true Chez and trust me when I say theres been times when my life was saved by him to the point even the police were amazed and made a comment about it.........yer right Chez he will always be there for me until he decides I have lived my life and learnt the hard lessons we all have to.
Very true Chez and trust me when I say theres been times when my life was saved by him to the point even the police were amazed and made a comment about it.........yer right Chez he will always be there for me until he decides I have lived my life and learnt the hard lessons we all have to.
Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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Carolly:-6
A wonderful story. You are correct no one can decide what you experiences except for you.
Shalom
Ted:-6
A wonderful story. You are correct no one can decide what you experiences except for you.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;770431 wrote: Carolly:-6
A wonderful story. You are correct no one can decide what you experiences except for you.
Shalom
Ted:-6Thankyou Ted and indeed Shalom to you my friend.
A wonderful story. You are correct no one can decide what you experiences except for you.
Shalom
Ted:-6Thankyou Ted and indeed Shalom to you my friend.
Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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It truly is amazing where people go to seek out God. God is within each of his creatures and all they really have to do is look inside. God is not some being sitting on a great throne somewhere out there. That was fine as a metaphor in ancient times as they had no other way to express it.
We now realize that God permeates the whole of his creation.
God is spirit. He is not a being in any sense of the word that we can understand. The anthropomorphization of God was an ancient metaphor for what the folks couldn't understand and in fact still don't. Our experiences and those of others tell us of the reality of God.
Shalom
Ted:-6
We now realize that God permeates the whole of his creation.
God is spirit. He is not a being in any sense of the word that we can understand. The anthropomorphization of God was an ancient metaphor for what the folks couldn't understand and in fact still don't. Our experiences and those of others tell us of the reality of God.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;770445 wrote: It truly is amazing where people go to seek out God. God is within each of his creatures and all they really have to do is look inside. God is not some being sitting on a great throne somewhere out there. That was fine as a metaphor in ancient times as they had no other way to express it.
We now realize that God permeates the whole of his creation.
God is spirit. He is not a being in any sense of the word that we can understand. The anthropomorphization of God was an ancient metaphor for what the folks couldn't understand and in fact still don't. Our experiences and those of others tell us of the reality of God.
Shalom
Ted:-6Ted I truely believe that in life we sometimes have a break down to get a break through.We are so open then to his love that other times we seem to shut away. Ted here is the first poem I ever wrote.....remembering I had never wrote one before or indeed sat down to read any.I was feeling this amazing love when these started. I hope you like it.I called it Gods Power.
God is all around us
Cant't you feel him just
His love,his life his everything
And through him you can trust
Though friends may come
And friends may go
Also sometimes we feel so low
Just look for God and feel his warmth
And realise he loves you so
If you do this you will much better
And light your darkest day
Just put your faith in Gods hands
He will show you the way
So always please remember
That he is always there
Just close your eyes and think of him
And say a little prayer.
Shalom Ted.
We now realize that God permeates the whole of his creation.
God is spirit. He is not a being in any sense of the word that we can understand. The anthropomorphization of God was an ancient metaphor for what the folks couldn't understand and in fact still don't. Our experiences and those of others tell us of the reality of God.
Shalom
Ted:-6Ted I truely believe that in life we sometimes have a break down to get a break through.We are so open then to his love that other times we seem to shut away. Ted here is the first poem I ever wrote.....remembering I had never wrote one before or indeed sat down to read any.I was feeling this amazing love when these started. I hope you like it.I called it Gods Power.
God is all around us
Cant't you feel him just
His love,his life his everything
And through him you can trust
Though friends may come
And friends may go
Also sometimes we feel so low
Just look for God and feel his warmth
And realise he loves you so
If you do this you will much better
And light your darkest day
Just put your faith in Gods hands
He will show you the way
So always please remember
That he is always there
Just close your eyes and think of him
And say a little prayer.
Shalom Ted.
Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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Carolly;770455 wrote: Ted I truely believe that in life we sometimes have a break down to get a break through.We are so open then to his love that other times we seem to shut away. Ted here is the first poem I ever wrote.....remembering I had never wrote one before or indeed sat down to read any.I was feeling this amazing love when these started. I hope you like it.I called it Gods Power.
God is all around us
Cant't you feel him just
His love,his life his everything
And through him you can trust
Though friends may come
And friends may go
Also sometimes we feel so low
Just look for God and feel his warmth
And realise he loves you so
If you do this you will much better
And light your darkest day
Just put your faith in Gods hands
He will show you the way
So always please remember
That he is always there
Just close your eyes and think of him
And say a little prayer.
Shalom Ted.
I agree completely.
Lovely poem, Carolly :-6
God is all around us
Cant't you feel him just
His love,his life his everything
And through him you can trust
Though friends may come
And friends may go
Also sometimes we feel so low
Just look for God and feel his warmth
And realise he loves you so
If you do this you will much better
And light your darkest day
Just put your faith in Gods hands
He will show you the way
So always please remember
That he is always there
Just close your eyes and think of him
And say a little prayer.
Shalom Ted.
I agree completely.
Lovely poem, Carolly :-6
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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theia;770576 wrote: I agree completely.
Lovely poem, Carolly :-6theia......oh dear why when I ever come on this thread I cant hold the tears back..................anyway I just wanted to say that God indeed does work in imysterious ways even though there have been times in my life when I have asked him that question.....why???? But we are not puppets we have to live our own lives if ever we are to learn and all he can do is guide us but being human and knowing it all we just block out his guidance at times until we just can't go on anymore and then at last we are open to that love and guidance.Ok some never open up and have to find their own way but to those I just pray that one day they will feel that lovely warm blanket that I did.
Lovely poem, Carolly :-6theia......oh dear why when I ever come on this thread I cant hold the tears back..................anyway I just wanted to say that God indeed does work in imysterious ways even though there have been times in my life when I have asked him that question.....why???? But we are not puppets we have to live our own lives if ever we are to learn and all he can do is guide us but being human and knowing it all we just block out his guidance at times until we just can't go on anymore and then at last we are open to that love and guidance.Ok some never open up and have to find their own way but to those I just pray that one day they will feel that lovely warm blanket that I did.
Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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Carolly:-6
The poem is beautiful. It expresses a lot.
I also liked your comment to theia.
Shalom
Ted:-6
The poem is beautiful. It expresses a lot.
I also liked your comment to theia.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;771783 wrote: Carolly:-6
The poem is beautiful. It expresses a lot.
I also liked your comment to theia.
Shalom
Ted:-6I truely appreciate those words from you Ted I really do as in this crazy world of the Internet we come across so many different types and some we cant help dislike because of their manner and plain rudeness and being human I cant hold back my anger.....sadness.......tears and sorrow whatever you want to call it.I then feel ashamed as I should know better with what happened to me.That love that I felt.......infact the tears that I shed and once again are here with me when ever I come on this thread ....was....are.....still so fresh in my mind ..........so why oh why do I think such thoughts at times.Guess its as I said......we have to live our own life if ever we are to learn......and yes Ted that is so right and I have to remember that any lesson in life are always so hard to learn,
Shalom to you Ted.
The poem is beautiful. It expresses a lot.
I also liked your comment to theia.
Shalom
Ted:-6I truely appreciate those words from you Ted I really do as in this crazy world of the Internet we come across so many different types and some we cant help dislike because of their manner and plain rudeness and being human I cant hold back my anger.....sadness.......tears and sorrow whatever you want to call it.I then feel ashamed as I should know better with what happened to me.That love that I felt.......infact the tears that I shed and once again are here with me when ever I come on this thread ....was....are.....still so fresh in my mind ..........so why oh why do I think such thoughts at times.Guess its as I said......we have to live our own life if ever we are to learn......and yes Ted that is so right and I have to remember that any lesson in life are always so hard to learn,
Shalom to you Ted.
Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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Carolly:-6:-6
One should never feel ashamed of expressing one's emotions. Generally it shows that person to be a caring and considerate person. One can't ask for anything better than that.
One can put such emotions to very good use. I direct mine towards the injustices I see around me both here and in society at large. They are put to good use even if they help and individual begin to understand themselves.
We can thank God for emotions.
If you ever meet a psychopath you will understand how important they are. Psychopaths lack any form of emotion and are very dangerous people both to themselves and others.
Shalom
Ted:-6
One should never feel ashamed of expressing one's emotions. Generally it shows that person to be a caring and considerate person. One can't ask for anything better than that.
One can put such emotions to very good use. I direct mine towards the injustices I see around me both here and in society at large. They are put to good use even if they help and individual begin to understand themselves.
We can thank God for emotions.
If you ever meet a psychopath you will understand how important they are. Psychopaths lack any form of emotion and are very dangerous people both to themselves and others.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;771862 wrote: Carolly:-6:-6
One should never feel ashamed of expressing one's emotions. Generally it shows that person to be a caring and considerate person. One can't ask for anything better than that.
One can put such emotions to very good use. I direct mine towards the injustices I see around me both here and in society at large. They are put to good use even if they help and individual begin to understand themselves.
We can thank God for emotions.
If you ever meet a psychopath you will understand how important they are. Psychopaths lack any form of emotion and are very dangerous people both to themselves and others.
Shalom
Ted:-6The thing is Ted at times we are all different people. I can be very silly to the point of thinking.....Carol behave lol.....but I also can be so serious and not the person so many may think I am on this forum.Ive lived a very colourful life but have also paid my dues and still am in many ways.Guess we all have 2 faces at times and sometimes we like to hide one of those.Let them think what they want.........only one can see the real person that hides within us all and he knows the real me and I guess thats all that matters dosen't it Ted.
Shalom my Freind.
One should never feel ashamed of expressing one's emotions. Generally it shows that person to be a caring and considerate person. One can't ask for anything better than that.
One can put such emotions to very good use. I direct mine towards the injustices I see around me both here and in society at large. They are put to good use even if they help and individual begin to understand themselves.
We can thank God for emotions.
If you ever meet a psychopath you will understand how important they are. Psychopaths lack any form of emotion and are very dangerous people both to themselves and others.
Shalom
Ted:-6The thing is Ted at times we are all different people. I can be very silly to the point of thinking.....Carol behave lol.....but I also can be so serious and not the person so many may think I am on this forum.Ive lived a very colourful life but have also paid my dues and still am in many ways.Guess we all have 2 faces at times and sometimes we like to hide one of those.Let them think what they want.........only one can see the real person that hides within us all and he knows the real me and I guess thats all that matters dosen't it Ted.
Shalom my Freind.
Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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Carolly:-6
I guess in that sense we are all followers of a multiple personality road. I think the part from the Bible that says "To everything there is a season." There is a time to be frivolous and nutty, if I can use that term. I can be like that often. At other times I can be very serious or angry. These are all parts of being human.
I firmly believe the real self cannot be hidden no matter how hard we try. Some do get away with it for awhile but eventually their true self shows through.
Yes, that One knows the true self is really all that matters.
If we are generally an unhappy person or one for whom the glass is half empty that will show through. If we are on the other side and the glass is half full and are generally optimistic that too will show through.
I can be a nut bar at times. LOL. I enjoy every minute of it.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I guess in that sense we are all followers of a multiple personality road. I think the part from the Bible that says "To everything there is a season." There is a time to be frivolous and nutty, if I can use that term. I can be like that often. At other times I can be very serious or angry. These are all parts of being human.
I firmly believe the real self cannot be hidden no matter how hard we try. Some do get away with it for awhile but eventually their true self shows through.
Yes, that One knows the true self is really all that matters.
If we are generally an unhappy person or one for whom the glass is half empty that will show through. If we are on the other side and the glass is half full and are generally optimistic that too will show through.
I can be a nut bar at times. LOL. I enjoy every minute of it.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;771915 wrote: Carolly:-6
I guess in that sense we are all followers of a multiple personality road. I think the part from the Bible that says "To everything there is a season." There is a time to be frivolous and nutty, if I can use that term. I can be like that often. At other times I can be very serious or angry. These are all parts of being human.
I firmly believe the real self cannot be hidden no matter how hard we try. Some do get away with it for awhile but eventually their true self shows through.
Yes, that One knows the true self is really all that matters.
If we are generally an unhappy person or one for whom the glass is half empty that will show through. If we are on the other side and the glass is half full and are generally optimistic that too will show through.
I can be a nut bar at times. LOL. I enjoy every minute of it.
Shalom
Ted:-6Such true words Ted.Some beind this screen we see on here as "being a laugh" or another we see as being a grumpy git but both can have the same problems in their everyday lives except one dosen't want to bring people down and the other just likes to get their hurt out by hurting others.The thing is yes your right after a while you can see through these people in your everyday life...... and even on this screen and then it is upto us to try to reach that person and help them or just leave them as you know it would just cause you hurt.To help our fellow man is one of the best feelings we can ever have but alas some just wont take that help or indeed your hand of friendship that you offer in such good faith and love.
Shalom Ted.
I guess in that sense we are all followers of a multiple personality road. I think the part from the Bible that says "To everything there is a season." There is a time to be frivolous and nutty, if I can use that term. I can be like that often. At other times I can be very serious or angry. These are all parts of being human.
I firmly believe the real self cannot be hidden no matter how hard we try. Some do get away with it for awhile but eventually their true self shows through.
Yes, that One knows the true self is really all that matters.
If we are generally an unhappy person or one for whom the glass is half empty that will show through. If we are on the other side and the glass is half full and are generally optimistic that too will show through.
I can be a nut bar at times. LOL. I enjoy every minute of it.
Shalom
Ted:-6Such true words Ted.Some beind this screen we see on here as "being a laugh" or another we see as being a grumpy git but both can have the same problems in their everyday lives except one dosen't want to bring people down and the other just likes to get their hurt out by hurting others.The thing is yes your right after a while you can see through these people in your everyday life...... and even on this screen and then it is upto us to try to reach that person and help them or just leave them as you know it would just cause you hurt.To help our fellow man is one of the best feelings we can ever have but alas some just wont take that help or indeed your hand of friendship that you offer in such good faith and love.
Shalom Ted.
Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.