yet another sad day or the rottweiler

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:45 pm

LilacDragon;750496 wrote: Actually - the possiblity of a life threatening infection from a cat bite is very, very real. Cat bites are one of the nastiest bites out there and what may look like nothing can quickly turn into a major problem.

Scratches from cats can be very ugly too. I always thought Cat Scratch Fever wasn't real, till I saw a little girl who had it.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:51 pm

How very sad these two children have lost their lives. :-1

My heart goes out to their families.

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:53 pm

fuzzy butt;750800 wrote: Actuallly if you want a dog that has never attacked a child or any other human being go buy yourself a New Foundland. They will bowl kids over and carry around babies in their mouths when they are crying to give it to it's parents . but if you can find a documented attack buy one of these dogs I'll eat my hat.

It's the only dog i will ever stand by in this case .

So if you've got around $3,000 to 5,000 dollars lying around go do yourself a favour . I've owned two and i couldnt' trust another dog as I have trusted these ones not even my golden retriever.

In 1903, a Newfoundland running amok in New York, bit 6 people before it was killed.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... ref=slogin

I found mention of an attack by a Newf in another instance, but I can't find a decent link with any detail. I will see if I can find my book tomorrow and see if it is mentioned in any more detail.

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:02 am

like we al have been saying ALL DOGS CAN BITE it is always the owners that should always answer for there pets actions.

When my hushand took one of the rotties out last night,one of are niegbours quickly got his daughter inside now how bloody sad and narrow minded is that:-1

I took one of my rotties in town in the summer and people for some reason are fasinated by rotties,i had a famliy come up to me and asked could they stroke Indy and when they did which i have to add they where there for about least 20mins,they went away saying that they wished they never had lisitened to what people have said about the DEVIL,KILLER DOG

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:46 am

neffy;750818 wrote: like we al have been saying ALL DOGS CAN BITE it is always the owners that should always answer for there pets actions.

When my hushand took one of the rotties out last night,one of are niegbours quickly got his daughter inside now how bloody sad and narrow minded is that:-1

I took one of my rotties in town in the summer and people for some reason are fasinated by rotties,i had a famliy come up to me and asked could they stroke Indy and when they did which i have to add they where there for about least 20mins,they went away saying that they wished they never had lisitened to what people have said about the DEVIL,KILLER DOG

We used to get that all the time but still people would come up and ask if their small child could 'stroke the dog'.

Its far to easy to call Rotts Devil Dogs . I blame the media for blowing things way out of proportion . Each Dog (whatever breed ) is an individual, why can't they be treated that way.

..you know my heart goes out to the families . My own daughter was biten badly herself but it's never stopped her from fearing dogs(when really it should)or loving them .

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:17 am

jimbo;750845 wrote: alas with the leaps and bounds made by modern science ,the grim rodent reaper is alive and well

note the cold expressionless eyes :wah::wah:

:wah::wah: JIMBO!!! you evil man!! :wah:

kinks · Post by **kinks** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:57 am

Just thought i would share these pics

suzycreamcheese · Post by **suzycreamcheese** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:05 am

aww theyre lovely :-4

kinks · Post by **kinks** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:09 am

suzycreamcheese;750896 wrote: aww theyre lovely :-4

Thanks Suzy....thye were taken a few months ago.....pitty my son had that damn dummy in his mouth...lol

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:12 am

great pics kinks

kinks · Post by **kinks** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:14 am

neffy;750901 wrote: great pics kinks

Thanks Neffy, love the pic of your three :-4

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:15 am

my boy JJ

indy my other boy these two are half brothers

suzycreamcheese · Post by **suzycreamcheese** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:18 am

your staffie is gorgeous. what a lovely colour!!

lemon_and_mint · Post by **lemon_and_mint** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:23 am

Unfortunately the media don't help your cause.

Any time they talk about rotties they show one lunging at the end of a lead showing its teeth.I think i have yet to find a posed photo of one sitting sedately like your photos. or at least in the tabloids.

Usually its a blurred photo of the dog in motion with drool hanging out of its mouth as it moves in to bite.

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:30 am

lemon_and_mint;750908 wrote: Unfortunately the media don't help your cause.

Any time they talk about rotties they show one lunging at the end of a lead showing its teeth.I think i have yet to find a posed photo of one sitting sedately like your photos. or at least in the tabloids.

Usually its a blurred photo of the dog in motion with drool hanging out of its mouth as it moves in to bite.

that is ture i am really thinking of sending these to pic to the papers titled

the face of a real rottweiler

kinks · Post by **kinks** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:31 am

neffy;750911 wrote: that is ture i am really thinking of sending these to pic to the papers titled

the face of a real rottweiler

I think that would be a good idea hun

lemon_and_mint · Post by **lemon_and_mint** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:33 am

neffy;750911 wrote: that is ture i am really thinking of sending these to pic to the papers titled

the face of a real rottweiler

well you obviously know a lot about them.Why dont you write a little piece about the other side of the story and send it in?

Just be prepared for the backlash of how can you defend them when innocent babies are dying, because you just know that would happen.

Maybe wait a little while for this latest death to settle a little.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:56 am

Gorgeous pics Kinks.........snaps reality in check.....Im a huge dog lover, have always owned dogs and had dogs whilst growing up, one of which was a jack russell who could be a right narky bugga...If my mum went to bed before my dad she wouldnt let my dad in the bed. (please dont retaliate with dogs should know their place etc...I know ok, im just retelling a childhood memory)

As much as I love my Scrappy Doo ( and believe i love him with all my heart) if he ever bit, he would be gone, it cant be tolerated...Im a good responsibledog owner, Scrappy gets well cared for, 2-3 walks a day, fed, watered, treats and love, doesnt mean one day for whatever reason he couldnt snap and bite......NOONE can say 100% for sure that an animal wont. End of the day a humans life is superior, has to be, in order for us to remain. (crap at that stuff but you know what im getting at)

This isnt about the Rotti, its not the first time a dog has killed, lots of breeds have, its to do with dog owners, their should be tighter laws on owning animals. I know of 2 close friends who have dogs and they never walk them, why the hell get a dog and them keep it locked up inside the house???? May as well buy a stuffed cuddly toy!

My hubby's brother had 2 rotti's and they were huge but very docile, the male Buster used to pull hubby's brother in this go-cart/chariot contraption for extra exercise, they were soft as brushes, because they were raised that way, slept in front of the fire with the cats every night, if the female heard a noise she would hide under the stairs, useless guard dogs lol.....They would never of been left with a child though EVER, had responsible owners see!

suzycreamcheese · Post by **suzycreamcheese** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:09 am

Theres a guy who lives near here with two big rotties. The guy is such a twat, he keeps the rotties on leads constantly when theyre out, even on fields, and then sits them down if anyone goes past - like he wants people to be frightened of them. You can just SEE that all they want is to come and sniff my dog etc. Once Mille went up to them when they were sitting down like that and they were all whimpering to have a play, and he started shouting at me to get my dog away.

Honestly. I think some people really try and push that image of the nasty dogs to make themselves look harder, when theyre not even naturally like that

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:04 am

i think i might just do that lemon great idea but like you say out of respect to the famliy i will leave it a couple of mths

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:13 am

suzycreamcheese;750929 wrote: Theres a guy who lives near here with two big rotties. The guy is such a twat, he keeps the rotties on leads constantly when theyre out, even on fields, and then sits them down if anyone goes past - like he wants people to be frightened of them. You can just SEE that all they want is to come and sniff my dog etc. Once Mille went up to them when they were sitting down like that and they were all whimpering to have a play, and he started shouting at me to get my dog away.

Honestly. I think some people really try and push that image of the nasty dogs to make themselves look harder, when theyre not even naturally like that

My dogs are never, ever, ever out off leash! My rottie was allowed outside off leash ONLY in my yard with an adult present or in my mother's fenced in yard. When out for a walk, if I see another dog coming, I put my dogs into a sit/stay if there is not room for all to pass comfortably, without interaction.

Sounds a bit extreme, but it isn't because I want my dogs to look tough. The last time I had my rottie out in public (before she passed away) we were in line to get a hot dog from a hot dog stand. I had her in a sit next to me and my 7 year old son on the other side of me. It was the 4th of July and pretty crowded. As we stood there, minding our own business, a man walked by with a lab mix on a leash. The dog was all amped up - lunging and pulling on the leash. As the walked past us, the dog made a serious effort to attack my dog! My dog never moved, but the woman in line in front of me immediately launched into a tirade about my viscious dog being out in public!! Thank goodness a police officer was standing nearby and saw the whole thing or the reprecussions could have been devestating for my family.

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:45 am

the only time mine are off the lead is when we are in a field,bu i think it is only right to keep any dog on a lead in built up areas

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:38 am

My dog is on the lead on pathways but once we hit the forest, woodlands or public highway paths and nature trails hes off the lead, hes submissive to all other dogs and he just runs off if they arent lol..

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:54 am

My Belgian is terrified of other dogs (he had a rough life before he came to me

) and if another dog runs up to him, he will most definately defend himself first. Nothing makes me angrier when I am out walking my dogs then being accosted by a loose dog - aggressive or not.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:58 am

LilacDragon;751021 wrote: My Belgian is terrified of other dogs (he had a rough life before he came to me

) and if another dog runs up to him, he will most definately defend himself first. Nothing makes me angrier when I am out walking my dogs then being accosted by a loose dog - aggressive or not.

Couldnt agree more hun, however my dog never would bound up to another dog, he always lies really low onto the ground and awaits my next move and I then ask the other dog owner whether their dog is ok, if they are not or they are unsure, mines put on a lead, if they say their fine, i let the dogs decide, mostly a sniff and their off but alot of the time they end up playing and having fun.

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:01 am

my olsest rott jj is a big wimp

when another dog comes up to him in a field he hides behind me:wah:

suzycreamcheese · Post by **suzycreamcheese** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:33 am

wow, my dog is always off the leash unless were near a road, but she kind of ignores other dogs generally unless they come to her and comes back immediately if called so shes completely under control.

I know what you mean though about the big dog always getting the blame. when i had my alsation/collie cross, if ever a small dog got snappy as they seem to and she barked back, it was always my dog that got the dirty looks, even though she didnt start anything

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:04 am

suzycreamcheese;751055 wrote: wow, my dog is always off the leash unless were near a road, but she kind of ignores other dogs generally unless they come to her and comes back immediately if called so shes completely under control.

I know what you mean though about the big dog always getting the blame. when i had my alsation/collie cross, if ever a small dog got snappy as they seem to and she barked back, it was always my dog that got the dirty looks, even though she didnt start anything

I miss having a dog

used to have a tall leggy springer who was good natured with all dogs until a german shepherd set on him one day. Hurt him quite bad and from that day on we had to be careful, he would approach other dogs for a sniff and if they showed the slightest bit of aggression to him he would pile in first. Good dog owners know the nature of their dogs and take steps to prevent problems.

It seems to me that a lot of the smaller breeds tend to attack first, I can't recall the amount of terriers I have pulled off our other spaniel who was an absolute pussycat.

Actually I'm thinking about getting another dog, have been looking at rescue sites here in cornwall but a lot of them won't adopt out to a family with a child under seven

suzycreamcheese · Post by **suzycreamcheese** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:10 am

i wonder why it often is the small dogs that get all aggressive?

I think its EITHER cos they have "small man syndrome" You know, when you get a small/really short guy who constantly feels theyve got something to prove,

or whether its because quite often you get a little dog, and as soon as a bigge dog comes along, the owner just picks it up out of the way - dog immediately thinks its the king of the castle and has no concept of actually being an equal with other dogs and having a play. they sit there from the comfort of their owners arms/handbag yapping away :rolleyes:

I hate it when you see owners BLATANTLY causing their dogs issues, and then saying "oh hes a bit funny with other dogs"

er hello, youre hardly helping!!

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:53 am

It's often because they've been so overbred to be small that their temperament is just too high strung.

theia · Post by **theia** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:58 am

RedGlitter;751151 wrote: It's often because they've been so overbred to be small that their temperament is just too high strung.

Red, how do they do that? I know virtually nothing about the subject

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:04 pm

theia;751154 wrote: Red, how do they do that? I know virtually nothing about the subject

If you continually breed dogs with bad temperments to dogs with bad temperments you will get puppies with bad temperments. Yet another reason to either rescue a dog or find an ETHICAL breeder to get a puppy from.

lemon_and_mint · Post by **lemon_and_mint** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:07 pm

fuzzy butt;751374 wrote: You had to go back to 1903 that's interesting, I would be happy to hear about this other supposed attack. Within the article it says mongrel (another words no owner) a stray. It would take days and days of torture to turn a newf into a raving lunatic. Are you trying to make a consolatary point here? the fact that you've had to go back to 1903. A book on what?

BTW both my newfs were rescue dogs.

on the web it says there was a fatality between 1965 and 2001 with no other information, it is a quote from a book.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:29 pm

fuzzy butt;751379 wrote: Here ya go, here's one. shows you can't be ingnorant with a large dog. a newf HAS to be socialised

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bul ... 51207.html
I think personally you cant be ignorant with ANY sized dog or animal for that matter, Newfoundlands are renowned for being gentle giants, jack russells for being ankle biters but not all of these bred will ever attack but you never know what can trigger them off so best play it safe and my rule of thumb would be to trust no animal 100% especially where children are involved.

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:36 pm

fuzzy butt;751374 wrote: You had to go back to 1903 that's interesting, I would be happy to hear about this other supposed attack. Within the article it says mongrel (another words no owner) a stray. It would take days and days of torture to turn a newf into a raving lunatic. Are you trying to make a consolatary point here? the fact that you've had to go back to 1903. A book on what?

BTW both my newfs were rescue dogs.

It was a google search and that was the first actual article.

Karen DeLise has a good book out looking at the CDC statistics and breaking them down - after doing the research into the attacks themselves.

I would never, ever tell someone that a particular breed of dog is good for them or their family. Every dog is different, even within the different breeds. While labradors are thought to be wonderful family pets - if you get a puppy from an unscruplous breeder and then ignore all training and socialization - you have created a ticking time bomb.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:46 pm

fuzzy butt;751411 wrote: Oh I see where you're coming from.

What i found interesting about the link I put up I can only assume that the Newf knew the little dog wasn't quite right in the head (having been traumatised by the cyclone.) I did notice that during all the commotion it did not attack any human, as most dogs would .

Well I would recommend a certain breed of dog to a certain household .

I have a lab that i wont allow near children because of it's temperment around food

I have a cockerspaniel cross Kelpie that I would allow near children holding food.

I'm not even going to comment on the golden retriever pup ......cause she's still a pup and insane.:wah: (as most would understand about GR's whilst a pup)

You have some lovely breeds there Fuzzy, I love spaniels, labs and retrievers:-6