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Jester;781767 wrote: Here, more on the subject and the reason the huto center was built... for illegal aliens, its a detention center fo criminals who sneak across the border and violate our countries law in the process.

Link: http://www.correctionscorp.com/news_rel ... news_id=55





Illegal aleins are criminals, they are captured held for trial and deported, Im actually glad someones finally actually deporting them! They are not citizens. And the facility is not a FEMA camp.


You don't know what you are talking about. The privatized Hutto jail, which is also administered by Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), contains more than just people who came over the boarder illegally. In fact, here is an article about palestinian refugees and CHILDREN being held in that camp: http://www.counterpunch.org/moses12192006.html

In fact, Most of them are families including pregnant women and children who have never been accused of any wrongdoing but are forced to endure squalid conditions inside literal concentration camps.

So no, it is not just for "illegal aliens". Allied to the burgeoning growth of the prison industry and future plans to detain American citizens on masse, new plans have revived the potential scope of the camp, and a new contract to intern 600 individuals was finalized with immigration authorities in December 2005.

The facility is euphemistically called a "Residential Center," yet charges of overcrowding and poor conditions are rife, with an estimated 645 people filling a facility that has only 512 beds, as this article from the Texas Civil Rights Review clearly states - http://texascivilrightsreview.org/phpnu ... le&sid=708

Innocent children should not be jailed and forced to live under traumatizing and dehumanizing conditions. Plain and simple. Suspicions will undoubtedly be cast as to whether the facility in Tyler is part of a wider agenda to set up a network of internment camps that will be used to forcibly detain American citizens under emergency provisions. And I think all Americans should be concerned when these camps are popping up everywhere.

People, please. The government can eventually use them for whatever they want to. How many need to be built before we all stop them?

Lon;781746 wrote: With all due respect Truth Bringer---------what you view to be the truth is just so much--------------BULLSHIT


Well I'll be damned. A one liner with no information to prove my claims wrong. Hmmm....I think the BS is on your part bro.

TruthBringer;782123 wrote: Well I'll be damned. A one liner with no information to prove my claims wrong. Hmmm....I think the BS is on your part bro.


Truth Bringer---------you are delusional if you actually believe your claims to be right. What you have submitted is mere speculation, photos taken that others have already explained. I do believe you are one of these people that are obsessed with "Conspiracies" "Myths" and other unprovable stories.

Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh have many deserted factory sites with open spaces, complete with turnstiles for what was many, many factory workers.

Do you have any updates on the "Loch Ness Monster" or maybe "Bigfoot"?

Lon;782141 wrote: Truth Bringer---------you are delusional if you actually believe your claims to be right. What you have submitted is mere speculation, photos taken that others have already explained. I do believe you are one of these people that are obsessed with "Conspiracies" "Myths" and other unprovable stories.

Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh have many deserted factory sites with open spaces, complete with turnstiles for what was many, many factory workers.

Do you have any updates on the "Loch Ness Monster" or maybe "Bigfoot"?


Calling me delusional and a "cosnpiracy nut" is not proving my claims wrong.

Daniel Hamburg is a former Democratic Congressman who was elected to the 1st Congressional District of California in 1992 and also subsequently ran for Governor of California, finishing in 3rd place.

Hamburg co-wrote a well-received recent article carried by the San Francisco Chronicle in which he outlined the program to incarcerate American citizens in internment camps, which have already been publicly built, during a time of declared national emergency.

Here is the article that former Congressman Daniel Hamburg wrote about these "prison" camps for American citizens.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... OUPQJ7.DTL

In the article, the Congressman states that:

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

But I have already stated before that I think what the government claims these camps are for and what they are really for is two different things. They aren't permanently for illegal aliens because our government is currently pushing for the SPPA. A "north-american partnership" AKA North American Union AKA Open borders policy.

And again, they are not just being built in the USA, they are being built all over the World.

Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."

The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.

Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51.

TruthBringer;782171 wrote: Calling me delusional and a "cosnpiracy nut" is not proving my claims wrong.


It's not up to me to prove your claims wrong, it's up to you to prove they are right, and so far, with all your posts, all you have done is borrow from some questionable Web Sites, varying Conspiracy Stories which you have obviously bought into. Look-------be realistic----don't you think that one of the major left wing or right wing--or independent news sources would have jumped all over some of these so called Conspiracies, even the Foreign Press. What?---you think the Bush Administration, The Military, CIA, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus are supressing this? Give me a break. With printed news going down the tubes financially, they would be happy to latch on to such stories such as you post. Problem is--------they could no more verify them than you can.

Lon;782178 wrote: It's not up to me to prove your claims wrong, it's up to you to prove they are right, and so far, with all your posts, all you have done is borrow from some questionable Web Sites, varying Conspiracy Stories which you have obviously bought into. Look-------be realistic----don't you think that one of the major left wing or right wing--or independent news sources would have jumped all over some of these so called Conspiracies, even the Foreign Press. What?---you think the Bush Administration, The Military, CIA, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus are supressing this? Give me a break. With printed news going down the tubes financially, they would be happy to latch on to such stories such as you post. Problem is--------they could no more verify them than you can.


How about commenting on the things I HAVE posted and not the things that don't exist yet.

When more people wake up about this, you can expect to see more journalists covering them. It goes hand in hand. Believe it or not, there are legitimate articles out there about these camps. And believe it or not there are reputable sources that speak about these camps. Just because you currently don't believe they are a threat, doesn't mean that you won't one day change your mind. The Government is obviously being very quiet about them....gee....I wonder why.

Lon;782178 wrote: It's not up to me to prove your claims wrong


Laziness can be your own worst enemy.

When do you think they will start populating these camps? Don't know. But by all indications, they are being built up at a rather startling rate. That indicates a time-line of sorts. A deadline has been set and they are trying to get in place and readiness for something.

Do you really believe it will stop there..or that it has? Ever belonged to SDS? You a card-carrying member of NRA? No to both? How about a relative? Have they? Ever written a letter to the editor? Vote 'independent'? Remember this when you pass through the color-coded turnstyles at the 'relocation' center: One degree of separation more only gets you through a different gate in the New Order of Things.

[quote=TruthBringer;782180] And believe it or not there are reputable sources that speak about these camps.



You mean reputable sources like Daniel Hamburg? Have you checked this ex Green Party guy out?

The problem with all Conspiracy Theories is that there is just enough truth in some of the data, like, yes their are camps, but then go on to speculate as to their use without real documentation. Look how long the JFK TWO SNIPER CONSPIRIACY kicked around, until just recently thanks to new modern technology photo imaging, DNA etc. it was put to rest my a whole host of independent investigators with no axe to grind. Lee Harvey Oswald was indeed the only shooter.

Lon;782178 wrote: It's not up to me to prove your claims wrong, it's up to you to prove they are right, and so far, with all your posts, all you have done is borrow from some questionable Web Sites, varying Conspiracy Stories which you have obviously bought into. Look-------be realistic----don't you think that one of the major left wing or right wing--or independent news sources would have jumped all over some of these so called Conspiracies, even the Foreign Press. What?---you think the Bush Administration, The Military, CIA, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus are supressing this? Give me a break. With printed news going down the tubes financially, they would be happy to latch on to such stories such as you post. Problem is--------they could no more verify them than you can.


In all fairness Lon, Rex 84 is very well documented and it did involve exactly this set-up of mass internment camps. Your government does have a history of planning for such eventualities with real facilities on the ground. When the fig-leaf occasionally slips and lets out glimpses of a genuine large-scale provision of civil emergency planning it's not reasonable of you to assume that it stopped as soon as the fig-leaf was put back in place.

Lon;782190 wrote: [quote=TruthBringer;782180] And believe it or not there are reputable sources that speak about these camps.



You mean reputable sources like Daniel Hamburg? Have you checked this ex Green Party guy out?

The problem with all Conspiracy Theories is that there is just enough truth in some of the data, like, yes their are camps, but then go on to speculate as to their use without real documentation. Look how long the JFK TWO SNIPER CONSPIRIACY kicked around, until just recently thanks to new modern technology photo imaging, DNA etc. it was put to rest my a whole host of independent investigators with no axe to grind. Lee Harvey Oswald was indeed the only shooter.


You mentioned George W. Bush as one of your sources. If you get to mention that crackpot hillbilly then I get to mention a respectable guy like X-Congressman Daniel Hamburg.

Next you will be brushing off the San Francisco Chronicle which published his article. For crying out loud, who can argue with you when your mind is so closed?

Still, there is silence from the media and our government about the creation and staffing of these camps. Why? Even if to deny the claims, why can't our elected officials meet with American citizens and others from the press at these sites and explain their purpose to us, so we can all go back to sleep and watch more TV? Why not open the gates and let us inspect these places? If they have nothing to hide, then where's the problem?

[quote=TruthBringer;782192][quote=Lon;782190]

You mentioned George W. Bush as one of your sources. .

Next you will be brushing off the San Francisco Chronicle which published his article. For crying out loud, who can argue with you when your mind is so closed?

Lon says:

Don't remember ever mentionioning Bush as a source for anything since I am hardly a fan of his. As for my old home town paper "San Francisco Chronicle", you bet I brush off much of what they print. They, like the New York Times are hardly credible news for much of their stories. I used to deliver the Chronicle as a kid in the late 40's. It was a great paper in those days.

Lon;782178 wrote: don't you think that one of the major left wing or right wing--or independent news sources would have jumped all over some of these so called Conspiracies


I'm confused. Doesn't the San Francisco Chronicle fall into that category?

TruthBringer;782202 wrote: I'm confused. Doesn't the San Francisco Chronicle fall into that category?


No---------If you believe everything the S.F. Chronicle prints, you have a real problem.

Look----I am 73 years old, have had a good life, expect to have a bit more of it before I croak. I am concerned about the future of not only the U.S. but the rest of this world, but realize that banging the drum and beating the bushes about CAUSES to what for the most part is a me now, materialistic society is somewhat futile. So, I play my golf, swim, read lots, irritate some posters now and then, but don't take up issues for which I have no control or influence. And with that said-----------I am off to go swimming.

Lon;782210 wrote: No---------If you believe everything the S.F. Chronicle prints, you have a real problem.

Look----I am 73 years old, have had a good life, expect to have a bit more of it before I croak. I am concerned about the future of not only the U.S. but the rest of this world, but realize that banging the drum and beating the bushes about CAUSES to what for the most part is a me now, materialistic society is somewhat futile. So, I play my golf, swim, read lots, irritate some posters now and then, but don't take up issues for which I have no control or influence. And with that said-----------I am off to go swimming.


I hope you have a good life too man. Don't let fear stop you from living your life. I sure don't. I know I could go any day or at any moment. But I still know a fishy situation when I see one, and I won't be silent while it's taking place.

I was watching the movie the grey zone last night. And I kept thinking to myself, man, all those people and not a single group of them tried to overthrow the camps. Didn't even try. Until the end of course. But they had plenty of opportunities to use their numbers to their advantage. And to kill some soldiers, steal their weapons, liberate the camp, leave the camp, and attempt to go liberate some others. Death or no death.

But no...instead, supposably millions of Jews were gassed and tortured. Without barely any resistance at all in the bigger picture.

Jester;782450 wrote: You have shown no clear evidence that FEMA has concentration camps, none. If you make a claim its for you to support. Not for us to disprove.I have a speech relating to Martial Law made in the House of Representatives on March 11 2003 by Congressman Jim McDermot, I'd like that to be taken as evidence that "recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States".

Jester;782450 wrote: TB, there just isnt any proof in what you've offered so far.

You make a claim about FEMA camps, when I showed you what they are for you give me articles about detainees who entered the country illegally, which is precisely what I told you the Hutto center is for.

The fact that there are women and children there is fine, they are in the country illegally as well, they were caught with thier parents, they should be kept with thier parents, as much as possible.

Actually I wouldn't hold them at all, I'd scoot them all back over the border they entered from.

You have shown no clear evidence that FEMA has concentration camps, none. If you make a claim its for you to support. Not for us to disprove.


Well, I have heard otherwise. I have heard that people who came here legally are being held there too. But thats not the point, the point is that they are inhumane, they don't represent what America stands for, they are being built ALL over the country, not just the one I showed you, but over 800 other ones. Capable of holding God knows how many people all together.

I am worried. Very worried that we are being fooled right in front of our eyes.

spot;782465 wrote: I have a speech relating to Martial Law made in the House of Representatives on March 11 2003 by Congressman Jim McDermot, I'd like that to be taken as evidence that "recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States".


Now thats interesting. See, I'm not the only one concerned Jester. lol. When are you gonna jump on board? The "internment camp" trains that is.

http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml - Courtesy of Spot

I'll tell you how I found it if you like. I searched just the .gov domain for references to Oliver North and the Iran-Contra hearings most recent first, because that's the only official enquiry I know of where these US domestic internment camps were discussed in open session. Oliver North is politically amoral and ideologically motivated. Planning the state within the state is his special area of competence.

Here's another video of a protest at the "internment camp" in Texas.

Here is a video that shows Oliver North being questioned about the "continuity of government" that could end up placing millions of Americans in FEMA concentration camps:

Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez (RIP), admitted that there are actual plans to detain American citizens in the case of what the government would consider to be "terrorism".

Congressman Henry Gonzales (D,Tx) stated,

"the truth is yes...the plans are here... whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism... evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."

Here is an article in The Federal Observer which covered Mr. Gonzales's comments:

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=753

Here is a little more info about Congressman Gonzales:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITIC ... nzalez.ap/

For those who are religious, here is a 9 part series on the concentration camps in the USA:

(Part 1)

(Part 2)

(Part 3)

(Part 4)

(Part 5)

(Part 6)

(Part 7)

(Part 8)

(Part 9)

Well, here's one citizen who is up to speed on whats going on in this country:

Here is the actual United States Homeland Security document that outlines the plan to build "Detention Camps" all around the United States:

http://cryptogon.com/docs/endgame.pdf

It doesn't get any better than the actual document folks.

Here is a video of soldiers in the military preparing/training to take over American cities in the case of Martial Law. Obviously use of force would be authorized in this situation, and American Citizens would be fair game and could be shot or killed.

Iraq vet exposes how he was trained to round up Americans in martial law exercise, asked if he would kill his own friends and family.....

February 4th, 2008

Paul Watson

U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

We received an email from "Scott," a member of a pipefitters union that runs an apprenticeship program called "Helmets to Hard Hats," which, according to its website, "is a national program that connects National Guard, Reserve and transitioning active-duty military members with quality career training and employment opportunities within the construction industry."

Scott writes that his company hired a soldier who had recently returned from Iraq, who told him that U.S. troops were being quizzed on whether or not they would be prepared to shoot their own friends and family members during a national state of emergency in America. "I have become very close to this young man and have gained his respect and trust," writes Scott.

"I want you to know that he informed me about one particular training exercise his superiors made them perform. It was concerning the rounding up of American citizens that disobey any type of martial law or in other words any type of infringement on our freedoms."

"He was asked if he could shoot his friends or family members if ordered to do so. At the time he said he could," writes Scott.

Scott says that the soldier later "had time to clear his head" and realize the truth, recanting his vow to kill his own countrymen if ordered to do so.

The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round up, disarm and if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of martial law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for at least 15 years.

http://www.sfbayview.com/News/Main/U.S. ... izens.html

Documentary filmmaker Alex Jones brought to light similar training programs that were taking place across the country in the late ‘90s which revolved around U.S. Marines being trained to arrest American citizens and take them to internment camps.

During one such program in Oakland, Calif., dubbed "Operation Urban Warrior," Marines refused to answer whether they would target American citizens for gun confiscation if ordered to do so.

Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

- News Coverage Of The Training of Pastors to be enforcers

The experiences of U.S. troops in the worst areas of Iraq, where soldiers are ordered to go door to door and arrest all men of military age as well as confiscate their weapons, is a mere portend of what is being planned for America if these training programs ever come to fruition.

Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald, writes that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States:

http://www.arizona.indymedia.org/news/2002/08/3646

In the article, Ritt Goldstein writes:

America as you know it is changing dramatically. The democratic freedoms which long defined American life are under siege. Today's Bush administration is moving towards America's military pursuing law enforcement, internment camps are on the horizon, and a member of the US Civil Rights Commission previously broached Arab-American internment.

Hidden behind FEMA’s benevolent face as the body whose chief responsibility is disaster relief, another FEMA exists. It is a FEMA that few know has been “charged by the Bush Administration with leading the nation’s anti-terrorism effort”, and a FEMA whose history includes nightmarish episodes in this vein.

Here is another article by Mr. Goldstein that details plans for Martial Law in the United States which was published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/ ... 18339.html

Here is an article from the Website of Political Research Associates which goes into detail about how FEMA and the Department of Defense issued a joint paper entitled, "The Civil/Military Alliance in Emergency Management" which specified many of the provisions of Reagan's policy on emergency mobilization preparedness:

http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/fema/Fema_3.html

The document indicates that FEMA had been given emergency powers to acquire resources from federal and state agencies (including National Guard personnel) and the private sector (banking, communications, transportation, etc.) "for use in civil disturbance operations."

The article states:

The exercise anticipated civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes that would affect continuity of government and/or resource mobilization. To fight subversive activities, there was authorization for the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of martial rule.

Here is a copy of an article written by Jonathan Turley of the Los Angeles Times, On August 14th, 2002 entitled Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft’s Hellish Vision:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/CfCAHV.pdf

In the article, Jonathan Turley writes:

Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft’s announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.

Ashcroft’s plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.

The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and reconsideration of Ashcroft’s fitness for this important office. Whereas Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of our citizens, Ashcroft has become a clear and present threat to our liberties.

The camp plan was forged at an optimistic time for Ashcroft’s small inner circle, which has been carefully watching to test cases to see whether this vision could become a reality.

The cases of Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi will determine whether U.S. citizens can be held without charges and subject to the arbitrary and unchecked authority of the government.

Jonathan Turley's Blog:

http://jonathanturley.org/

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. So all of the rest of the money must be going somewhere.....

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=32625

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=35183

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58928



EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58933



EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58935

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58936



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58938



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58940

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58941



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58942



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58943

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58944



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58990



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

This Executive Order comes from none other than Lyndon B. Johnson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un ... ive_orders

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58988



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=59356

Jester;785178 wrote: TB, Im sorry, I try to post something here to discuss this but I cant stop laughing at you. I'm sorry I'll refrain from your thread. If at soem date in the future I can keep a stragiht face I'll try to post some points of contention here.


Ok and in the meantime I'll just keep posting...for all those who are taking this seriously.

Here is a video of the Military preparing for a martial law scenario, where they will have the ability to basicly beat and arrest whoever is resisting them whatsoever:

Very good video on Bush's power grab and his dictatorial powers that he has now given to whoever is the President of the United States:

Well here we go folks, they are steeming ahead with their plans for the trains. You saw the camp video folks, the camps are being built right next to the train tracks. And now we have FEMA coming out directly and stating that they are planning up increasing the use of trains for the next "disaster" that hits the United States, whatever that "disaster" may be. Whether it be man-made or nature made.

But you know what, I think they really mean, in the event of Martial Law being declared during one of these "emergency situations".

Here are the recently released news articles which show PROOF that FEMA is planning to use massive amounts of trains for the next "disaster" outbreak:

http://www.examiner.com/a-1215440~FEMA_ ... tions.html - Los Angeles Examiner Article

http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... enu117_2_1 - KLTV 7 News Article

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.a ... ryid=83188 - WKYC News Article

http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp? ... v=0qq64h3l - WTOCTV News Article

Well I'm not buying it at all. I think this is a nightmare scenario.

Trains for the sick and elderly? Lol. Are you serious? FEMA didn't do squat when the sick and elderly were drowning and dying in their wheelchairs during that hellish week of Huricane Katrina. Do you people really believe that FEMA is a loving, fuzzy, cuddly organization that cares so much about the sick and the elderly? For crying out loud they are now tied into the United States Department of Defense!

And another thing, the amount of train cars being built, and the amount of trains being built, can hold WAY WAY more people in them than just the sick and the elderly. Whats all the extra space for? Hmmm...could it be MORE people?

And where are these trains going to bring the people that are filled with them? Are they going to cruise past a homeless shelter and drop them off? lol. Hell no. There aren't even enough Homeless shelters to hold them all. Are they going to drop them in other cities? Yeah right. The cities that they were dropped in would be filled to their maximum capacity, and the economies of those cities would be strained with all the new people to feed and clothe. So thats not going to happen.

Hmmm....so what does that leave us with folks? Can we say, The over 800 FEMA concentration camps that can hold millions of people in total? Can we say, the same camps from the same videos I posted that are located RIGHT NEXT TO the train tracks?

I'm telling you what. There is no way in hell I'm getting on any FEMA train, and going to any camp where they are going to hold me "indefinately". F-ck that.

Straight from the article:

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - The Federal Emergency Management Agency may expand the use of passenger trains to evacuate the sick and elderly in advance of hurricanes across the Gulf Coast, a FEMA official said.

Glenn Cannon, a FEMA assistant administrator, told a congressional subcommittee meeting in New Orleans on Monday that his agency is looking at passenger trains as a method of getting people out of harm's way.

After Hurricane Katrina hit in August 2005, Amtrak was hired to be on hand to evacuate people if another disaster hit.

And then there is this very worrysome statement:

But, he said, turning railways into evacuation routes won't be easy.

Rights of way for most railroads are privately owned by freight companies, and there is no congressional mandate to use railroads for evacuations.

So what does that mean? Hmmm..does that mean that FEMA and/or the President and/or congress is going to physically change the laws so that they can take posession of most railways in our country for their own purposes? VERY, VERY, Scary folks.

Please look at this with an open mind and open EYES. We need to do something. It's all coming into fruition, and if we don't do anything we're going to be screwed in the end.

The mind is like a parachute folks. It works better when it's open.

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Jester;785178 wrote: TB, Im sorry, I try to post something here to discuss this but I cant stop laughing at you. I'm sorry I'll refrain from your thread. If at soem date in the future I can keep a stragiht face I'll try to post some points of contention here.


The thing is, you're ignoring my points as well as his. Which is convenient, I'll grant you that. I think you just don't want to know they exist.

I bet you didn't read the endgame paper either. You can't have opened it and thought it was fake. It does discuss numbers and techniques.

Attached files

Here is a video of the military going from house to house and disarming the population in New Orleans. In the video, they are using the "threat" of force, to get people out of their homes and to do what the military tells them to do:

Here is a video of George W. Bush having Alex Jones arrested for asking him questions about the CFR, the Federal Reserve, ect. Look at the smirk on George Bush's face as he gives the nod to have Alex arrested:



What ever happened to "Freedom of Speech"?