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Jester;857391 wrote: I dont get yer first line, the second line is a odd question, but Yes, I think God says that the states responsibility is to punish the guilty and protect the innocent. Executing violent criminals does both.


Yes you do

So your God will send gay people to hell, but allow 'his people' to murder?

Pheasy;857198 wrote: Ahhh we talked on slightly different paths I don't think he should own a gun legally or illegally. I also don't think he has the right to anothers life, or pass judgment.

Also he wasn't defending his family, the man was trying to leave.


Oh please Pheasy. You don't get it. That husband had every damn right to pass judgement! His wife was f*cking another man! No right my butt! But going back to the fact, Jester's right. he has every right to defend his family- even his slut wife. The false pretense was created by her. Not the gun, not the husband. The wife.

It just makes me ill that some can't see beyond the barrel (pun intended) on this.

So what if the other infidel, the other slut, the dead man was leaving? As far as the husband was concerned, he had already stolen the goods and that deserved justice. Not all justice happens in a courtroom. That's a joke.

Jester;857393 wrote: Yep Id say thats accurate.

But adultry as I have been made to understand it is a civil offense not a criminal offense in all cases except the UCMJ.

For instance adultry can be a legal ground for divorce.


Yes, I see your point, Jester, Thank you.

Ack. Sorry Pheasy for being a little emotional there. Cheating is something I have deep feelings about and they came out. I wasn't yelling at you though, even though it does sorta look that way. Please excuse me.

RedGlitter;857396 wrote: Oh please Pheasy. You don't get it. That husband had every damn right to pass judgement! His wife was f*cking another man! No right my butt! But going back to the fact, Jester's right. he has every right to defend his family- even his slut wife. The false pretense was created by her. Not the gun, not the husband. The wife.

It just makes me ill that some can't see beyond the barrel (pun intended) on this.

So what if the other infidel, the other slut, the dead man was leaving? As far as the husband was concerned, he had already stolen the goods and that deserved justice. Not all justice happens in a courtroom. That's a joke.


I think just because I have different views on this subject, it is a little uncalled for you to imply that I am incapable of reading and understanding a news item - I will leave it at that.

RedGlitter;857400 wrote: Ack. Sorry Pheasy for being a little emotional there. Cheating is something I have deep feelings about and they came out. I wasn't yelling at you though, even though it does sorta look that way. Please excuse me.


OOps my response came to quickly :wah::wah: No harm done :-4

Pheasy;857402 wrote: OOps my response came to quickly :wah::wah: No harm done :-4


Good deal. Thanks. :-6

Jester;857398 wrote: No God doesnt send gay poeple to hell, he sends unbelivers to hell.

And I read the line in question five times and I still dont get ya! (no kidding)


Soo a gay person who believes in god is okay then? And I can kill people who I feel have done me wrong, as long as I go to church on sundays? See its statements like that, that stop me believing.

My previous statement meant that if you thought I had done you or yours some harm you would kill me and ask questions later

Jester;857224 wrote: If caught in the act yes. (but thats my personal opinion, not the law.)

Oh I started to write fonricator but left it to avoid confusion.:-3


Can I just ask Jester, and Im sorry for pointing all my questions at you but your answers make me think more lol..Do you think if he had caught them both "in the act" he would be justified in shooting them both and not have to face any consequences whatsover, even though we have no idea if infact has ever been guilty of the same?

rjwould;857406 wrote: Just to finish the thought, as far as Spot and I go.....


I think Spot is going to be very flattered to have been mentioned so many times in a thread he has never even posted in.:sneaky:

Jester;857416 wrote: I really have no idea, I can speak if it was me, I'd leave with my kids and never return, I'd wish my wife well in her new life. I would not have killed the man. But if I thought he had raped my wife, it'd have been a different thing all together.

Killing his wife would have been murder, ethier way though.


Well I was asking the question as you said here:

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjwould

So, in your mind, adulterers should be executed, jester?

Incidentally, what makes you think the dead guy was married?

Jester said

If caught in the act yes. (but thats my personal opinion, not the law.)

Oh I started to write fonricator but left it to avoid confusion


I personally dont agree with Adultry but to be killed for it seems to be extreme to me, I believe everyone in life should be able to make a mistake and then learn from it, if we just go and kill them, how are people going to learn from that.

Jester;857414 wrote: Pheasy, Let me shed some more light on the subject. Im not some gun wielding fella who's constantly ready to reach for my gun hidden under my jecket. Im a calm cool collected invdividual who uses his head to disarm bad situations as they escalate, however when they escalate to a point where only force will stop human suffering I will use the force necessary to stop it. And its that simple.

My comments on the violent criminals being executed is a necessary thing in my book. Think about it. One violent criminal activity ends it for a human, they have proven they are incapabel of rehabilitation, take them off the face of the earth, that Ma'am is a deterrant to further violence, for certain that violent criminal will never commit another violent act. If you dont have the stomach for it fine, leave it to us who do. Im fine with taking care of the violence for you so you dont have to worry about it.

But your trying to limit my ability to protect myself and my family and anyone else that I come across that appears innocent, by limiting my use of guns, which can be one of my tools that I use to protect my own and others.

The God part is clear, God does not want human living in fearof other humans, so he mandates self protection by way of self defense and he allows the state to execute criminals. Seems very simple to me.

Being gay or not has nothing to do with the argument.

Pheasy, to answer your question in the immeidate circumstance of this thread, I woudl act out in self defense if you were in the act of harming me or my family members yes, that shoudl be abundantly clear by what I wrote above, but if I had thought youd committed a crime and I knew abotu it but did not wittness you doing it in the act I'dnot come after you, I'd let the law handle it. Now if they failed to act for some reason I may return to finish ya off, but would expect the full consequence of the law for doing so.


It is when I am trying to determine what his values are and how he divides good and evil.

And I accept, to a point what your saying about self-defense, however there has to control/caution otherwise this kind of attitude could get out of hand!

Did I notice there kind sir, that you called me ma'am ...... sweet

Jester;857430 wrote: Under the lavitical law a man and or woman caught in the act of adultry were stoned to death, under biblical new testament law Jesus taught by example to forgive.

I'll tell ya what though, its best to act in prevention to those kind of sins, for example, if I treat my wife the way I should treat my wife then she'll never want to commit adultry. And I'll never have to worry about it.


Thanks for your answer:)

Your wife is lucky to have you as you are to have her:-6

RedGlitter;856586 wrote: It's called adultery which is actually illegal in many places but rarely if ever acted upon. As I said before, the guy *thought* his wife was being raped- under that pretense all bets are off. It took me a little time to come to this but I do feel the wife helped him pull that trigger. And it wasn't just "a man having sex with a woman" it was a woman breaking her vows she made presumably to God toward her man. Call me archaic or what have you but i don't take that stuff lightly.

I realize we're not going to shoot everybody who does that or we'd be in population decline but my feeling is that the husband did right, only under false pretense. That's the kicker as I see it. he was protecting her and she pretty much ruined his life.


How could he have been protecting her if she was with him and the other guy was driving away?

It was vigilante justice - taking the law into his own hands surely. He is guilty of rape and I sentence him to death - bang.

flopstock;857192 wrote: Maybe we could also wonder if the wife was perhaps still in the truck? Maybe hubby thought she was being abducted? Maybe he was simply firing to disable the truck and a bullet veered tragically off course. Maybe a million other possible scenarios, who the heck knows. A jury listened to the evidence. I'm sure we all are missing a detail or two here.

I don't own a gun. But I certainly would not assume that anyone standing in front of me holding a gun is -by nature of being permitted to carry said gun- the clearest thinking individual involved in the confrontation with me.


OK - if the wife was still in the truck crying rape then that does alter the situation.

Bryn Mawr;857440 wrote: How could he have been protecting her if she was with him and the other guy was driving away?

It was vigilante justice - taking the law into his own hands surely. He is guilty of rape and I sentence him to death - bang.




http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... cted_N.htm

Darrell Roberson came home from a card game late one night to find his wife rolling around with another man in a pickup in the driveway.

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When Tracy Roberson cried that she was being raped, LaSalle tried to drive away and her husband drew the gun he happened to be carrying and fired several shots at the truck, authorities said.

...............end of quote.....



edit to distinguish my comments

This guy moved out of his home a week after the shooting. Somehow, that does not strike me as the jealous -out of control husband -as he was depicted by his wife at trial. I would have expected such a jealous and brutal man to have stayed and punished the wife once he found out she had lied, wouldn't you? The more I find on this, the more I think the husband walked into what he though was a nightmare... and then it ended up being an even worse nightmare.

Jester;857485 wrote: Wow...

Hmmm, well, yes in my book having an affair is a slutty thing to do Got a better term I'd love to hear it.The man in question is dead, so theres not much to talk about in his case. I dont think I said anymore than that the man who fired was justified if the woman was in the car as it was being driven away and the shooter had a knowledge that she was being raped as far as he was aware. If your asking me who's fault this whole scene was in the majority I'd say the two having the affair have the greater responsibility for the mans death. The woman lied and cried rape when she was committing adultry, the man who was killed was at fault for participating in the affair. So far the shooter has been exhonerated by a jury.

I did not infer any judgement unto any other woman based on this womans actions. I think this is a unique case and in no way relfect the majority of women.

I think my country is just fine, so far I have the ability to defend myself against agressors in righteous justice. Looks pretty good to me! If you look at what Ive been saying all along I'm trying to determine if this was jsutifed in my book or not I'm saying it depedns on the circumstances which Im not yet privy to.

I think yer jumping on the wrong guy here.


You cannot make that blanket judgement. :-6

Jester;857516 wrote: I just did, what do you call someone who does that?


For example. My Mum had an affair. My Dad beat the crap out of her... almost daily, she had no self confidence, she did not know where to turn. Had no where to go. Scared for her life and her childrens lifes. The affair got her out of a life-threatening, and I mean life-threatening, offered her a way to escape. And that man saved her life and ours. She was not a slag. Don't be so quick to judge. There are many reasons.

Jester;857521 wrote: Pheasy those are situational things, your mother did not have to have an affair in order to get away from a beating husband. The affair part was still wrong.

Cheating is cheating, no matter how good the folks are that are cheating. You cant say because the affair helped you that it was a right thing to do.

Your Mother should have left your father for beating her period, then had whatever relationship was appropriate. If my dad had beat the crap out of my mon my dad would be one dead sucker.


:) Get real Jester! I'm not discussing this with you any more ... you carry on living in your black and white life! Perhaps if you spent just one minute of your life walking in others shoes, or taking the time to consider other people you wouldn't be so ready to blow everyones brains out! Good night!

Pheasy;857526 wrote: Get real Jester! I'm not discussing this with you any more ... you carry on living in your black and white life! Perhaps if you spent just one minute of your life walking in others shoes, or taking the time to consider other people you wouldn't be so ready to blow everyones brains out! Good night!


Wow, that was uncalled for Pheasy. You should apologize to Jester as I did to you.



I wholly disagree with FB and others on this cheating mess. Yes a woman OR man cheating is a SLUT period. If you want to screw someone else or you're being mistreated, then get the hell out, end the marriage THEN do your deed. THAT is integrity and class. Blaming it on everyone and everything is a bunch of horsesh*t. Sleeping around while you're in a marriage is horsesh*t.

I'm thinking this is why you can't find good people today. Everyone makes excuses for their behavior and nothing is ever their fault. Integrity is dead.

RedGlitter;857527 wrote: Wow, that was uncalled for Pheasy. You should apologize to Jester as I did to you.



I wholly disagree with FB and others on this cheating mess. Yes a woman OR man cheating is a SLUT period. If you want to screw someone else or you're being mistreated, then get the hell out, end the marriage THEN do your deed. THAT is integrity and class. Blaming it on everyone and everything is a bunch of horsesh*t. Sleeping around while you're in a marriage is horsesh*t.

I'm thinking this is why you can't find good people today. Everyone makes excuses for their behavior and nothing is ever their fault. Integrity is dead.


I have said things that I regret in the past and have always apologized. This is not one of those occasions!

Well whatever. I mean you brought your own family into this presumably as an example, no one else did, so it's your own fault. If you want to be in a snit about it then I guess that's your prerogative.

essentially, Pheasy's mother is being called a slut here. I can see why she's upset. If no one who inferred that her mother has any leeway of grace is sorry then I don't see why she should take back her response.

Sometimes bringing personal experience to a discussion is the only way to enlighten the conversation with real life focus.

God knows the last thing I want to attempt to be is the voice of reason, however.....

This ain't about adultry... it's about the lady telling her husband she was being raped when she was in the middle of a consensual sex act. It's about that husband pulling out his gun and shooting the guy his wife was accusing of raping her. It's about the fact that but for that lie, the man would not have been justified in acting to defend his family.

That lie, which she repeated to authorities and was subsequently found out on - that's what shifted the guilt from the husband to her.



The manslaughter charge is due to the fact that she recklessly caused Devin LaSalle's death by claiming she was raped.


I don't care who sleeps with who on a consensual basis (so long as they are of legal age and not that brother and sister from that one thread:-2) But being willing to toss someone else to the wolves like she did, I don't feel any sympathy for her.

As a side note: Pheasy, if your mom was able to find any joy with anyone in her life, I say more power to her!:-6

koan;857539 wrote: essentially, Pheasy's mother is being called a slut here. I can see why she's upset. If no one who inferred that her mother has any leeway of grace is sorry then I don't see why she should take back her response.

Sometimes bringing personal experience to a discussion is the only way to enlighten the conversation with real life focus.


Pheasy can be upset if she wants to but it's childish to draw attention to something private like that and then flounce outta here because it didn't go your way.

What do you want us to say? "Everyone who cheats is a slut but not Pheasy's mother?"

Whatever.

another version:

http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/620493.html

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On Tuesday, jurors heard the 911 call Tracy Roberson made after LaSalle was killed. Darrell Roberson's voice can be heard in the background repeating, "Why you do me like that?"

"He was trying to rape me!" Tracy Roberson said.

Darrell Roberson continued to ask his wife why she cheated.

Tracy Roberson then focused on the 911 operator who was asking what was going on.

"A man came to the door, pulled me out of the house and was trying to rape me," she told the operator. Meanwhile, Darrell Roberson continued to yell at his wife. Tracy Roberson told the 911 operator that her husband didn't believe her.

Defense attorneys maintained that Darrell Roberson is a jealous and controlling husband who started shooting before he heard the word rape. After the bullet struck LaSalle and his truck stopped in a yard, Darrell Roberson yanked his wife out of the pickup, and that's when she first yelled rape, Davis said.



"She didn't want to become the second victim," Davis said.

___________



It appears she was in the vehicle when the man tried to drive off. I think it's interesting, the two versions. For some reason I think we would normally tend to believe the wives version. The 911 call sure smells like she's telling the more truthful version. I wonder what the jury heard that we don't know...

FB you're out of order.

First nobody called anybody's mother a slut. We said women (and men) who cheat are sluts. If somebody says "well my mother/father had an affair" we're not going to backpedal and make exceptions for them. It was foolish to have said such a thing, putting one's business on the street never serves for good.

Jester's big enough to stand up for himself but I will say I'm getting tired of the unnecessary remarks toward him.

You don't have to agree with anything said nor does anyone else, but get off the high horse for a while.

And you are right about one thing only. My comments do speak for themselves and I thank you for taking notice of that. Whether you agree or disagree with me is not my concern.

PU [not an acronym] Ugly, Noxious, Shocking, Smelly, or Odious

Maybe it was God who sent the man into Pheasy's mothers life. Maybe God seen it as the only way to save Pheasy's mother and after she and her children were saved then, maybe God forgave her. Maybe God does work in mysterious ways.

Jester;857998 wrote: Ok guys,

Listen all, I'm sorry that my moral integrity crosses folks but it certainly does from time to time.

Pheasy I did not mean to infer that your mother was a slut, I dont typically use the term, it got thrown out there and I went with it, it was a mistake to use such a term and make it a blanket statement, for that I apologize several times over, please accept my apology.

I live my convictions down to the bone, thats why they are convictions. I realize I need to learn not to stand in judgement by making my convictions belong to others. What anyone here does with thier own lives is thier choice to do so. I need to quit applying my morality on others when I get out of the religion threads and then remember that.

Sorry again Pheasy, really I am.


This is why i love you sweetie, even though we can count on one hand where we have agreed on most moral and religious issues... personally I think you are just too pigheaded:D

You believe what you believe... and yet I believe it bothers you deeply that you may have upset her.. you are not just saying things to get a rise... and so when it does upset, you care:-4

Well done, Jester. I'd hate to see this thread turn into an analysis of your convictions just as much as it shouldn't be an analysis of whether or not Pheasy... or anyone else... should post personal info without opening themselves up to viciousness.

This thread, to me, is about whether or not we can read a news story and be knowledgeable enough about the circumstances to make any statements regarding guilt or innocence.

Jester's first reaction to hearing Pheasy's story was that he accepted there can be special circumstances. The main problem was the "but..." So, watch your but, Jester

RG, Saying something directly or saying it by inference is only a difference in grammar and vocabulary. If you can't see that coming across different information and reassessing an opinion or adding qualifying statements is mature thinking instead of so called "backpedaling" I don't know how you feel qualified to call someone else childish.

Koan, give it a rest. After what I have seen from you, you especially are not one to be correcting anybody.