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YZGI;911794 wrote: She was invited to sing the National Anthem, not a song of her choice.



She was wrong..


yeah!

We had a chap at school who was meant to be playing soccer but he picked up the ball and ran with it, that's how we got Rugby Football and you inherited the game where people don armour and make touchdowns. What she did's a lot like that.

spot;911807 wrote: We had a chap at school who was meant to be playing soccer but he picked up the ball and ran with it, that's how we got Rugby Football and you inherited the game where people don armour and make touchdowns. What she did's a lot like that.
'kay.



Your chap likely pissed alot of people off. What she did's a lot like that.

Accountable;911815 wrote: 'kay.



Your chap likely pissed alot of people off. What she did's a lot like that.


He did, and she evidently has. Whether something positive comes of it, like it did at Rugby, we'll have to wait and see.

spot;911580 wrote: The word you're looking for there is Soviets.

Why is it that Americans dig so far back into history when they try to justify the presence of their armed forces outside of their Homeland?


I was making a statement Spot...

I was making a statement that gave credibility to the reasoning of patriotism...

Why is it that you feel the Americans' effort in WW2 is undeserving of recognition?...

K.Snyder;911928 wrote: I was making a statement Spot...

I was making a statement that gave credibility to the reasoning of patriotism...Patriotism kills both foreigners and citizens alike. There's no place for it in the modern world. The people who should be most critical of any country on earth are its own citizens.

spot;911933 wrote: Patriotism kills both foreigners and citizens alike. There's no place for it in the modern world. The people who should be most critical of any country on earth are its own citizens.


By your assessment of patriotism...

There's nothing wrong with patriotism...Only unjust people...

K.Snyder;911928 wrote: Why is it that you feel the Americans' effort in WW2 is undeserving of recognition?...Because, in my opinion, the deployment of US troops into the European theatre made no difference whatever to the outcome of the war against Germany.

The matter of the Pacific theatre is entirely different, of course. Whether there would have been a Pacific War without the attack on Pearl Harbour I doubt. Whether the attack on Pearl Harbour would have happened without US provocation toward Japan I also doubt.

I think FDR's US administration sought to pressure US public opinion into wanting participation in World War Two and deliberately engineered an external attack on US soil to achieve that end. The parallel with 9/11 and the current administration is obvious.

spot;911945 wrote: Because, in my opinion, the deployment of US troops into the European theatre made no difference whatever to the outcome of the war against Germany. I'm willing to bet that the majority of European citizens as well as the European military forces involved in the effort against the axis if asked if they wanted the United States' help in WW2 they would most assuredly accepted...

Would it not be reasonable to say that without the help of the United States in the war against the axis that it would have drawn out much longer than it had at the same time costing more people their lives?...I'm quite sure to those serving in the war that their families were much obliged...

spot;911945 wrote:

I think FDR's US administration sought to pressure US public opinion into wanting participation in World War Two and deliberately engineered an external attack on US soil to achieve that end. The parallel with 9/11 and the current administration are obvious. I'm not even going to begin conspiracy theoretics...I don't trust anyone when it comes to money, and I sure as hell will never just kill anyone just because I were asked without making my own judgments as to my own ethical inclinations...

K.Snyder;911963 wrote: I'm willing to bet that the majority of European citizens as well as the European military forces involved in the effort against the axis if asked if they wanted the United States' help in WW2 they would most assuredly accepted...

Would it not be reasonable to say that without the help of the United States in the war against the axis that it would have drawn out much longer than it had at the same time costing more people their lives?...I'm quite sure to those serving in the war that their families were much obliged...I'm sure you're correct in all of that, yes.

K.Snyder wrote: I'm not even going to begin conspiracy theoretics...I don't trust anyone when it comes to money, and I sure as hell will never just kill anyone just because I were asked without making my own judgments as to my own ethical inclinations...You'd not have that luxury if you were signed up with the military. Once you sign on you're committed to kill on command, and the ultimate source of all your orders lives in the White House.

spot;911973 wrote:

You'd not have that luxury if you were signed up with the military. Once you sign on you're committed to kill on command, and the ultimate source of all your orders lives in the White House.


Not with this American my friend...And there is far more like me than many may realize...I will not be ordered to kill in a war that I do not agree with and those to whom have the authority better get their hand cuffs ready in those instances...That is to say if they catch me after going AWOL...