7 year old breaks into Zoo, kills several animals

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:49 am

Face it oscar, if the zoo had done anything reasonable toward creating a secure environment for the animals it couldn't possibly have happened. Of course they're blameworthy.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:54 am

I agree with you on this Spot. An alarm system would have done the trick and these wonderful animals would still be alive. Still doesn't negate the violent act raged on these animals by a 7 year old child. That is my focus this child needs immediate help. If he doesn't get immediate help, be it individually or with his entire family I can assure you he will do something violent again.

[QUOTE]Face it oscar, if the zoo had done anything reasonable toward creating a secure environment for the animals it couldn't possibly have happened. Of course they're blameworthy.[/QUOTE]

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:55 am

CARLA;1013678 wrote: It took this young child 35 minutes to kill 13 rare and endangered animals. He had a plan and he carried it out this is premeditated in my mind. He needs the best help he can get and the sooner the better.

His family needs to be a part of the process as well. This was no prank it was a cruel attack that was planned. Violent acts of aggression by anyone are always signs of problems in anyone. HELP is what this child need and immediately.

Exactly, well said.

Why should anyone in this day and age have to turn something of pleasure i.e. a zoo, a park, a war memorial, into a fortress just so vermin like this can't get in?

Deal with the vermin first

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:15 am

By all means, had he been an adult, employ a metaphor like "vermin" if you insist though I find it distasteful. It can't possibly be applied to a seven year old in any circumstances, least of all when nobody here has any but the vaguest notion of what he thought he was doing.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:20 am

CARLA;1013678 wrote: It took this young child 35 minutes to kill 13 rare and endangered animals. He had a plan and he carried it out this is premeditated in my mind. He needs the best help he can get and the sooner the better.

His family needs to be a part of the process as well. This was no prank it was a cruel attack that was planned. Violent acts of aggression by anyone are always signs of problems in anyone. HELP is what this child need and immediately.

You actually think a 7 yr old premeditated a plan of attack on reptiles? :-5

Did he sit in his room with his dinosaur toys and think, Hey I can kill a bunch of reptiles at the zoo by feeding them to the croc, I will do this a precisely 7:00 tomorrow when the care takers are on their dinner break?

Or, did he walk by the zoo and think, "Hey I'll go see some cool animals, then coming upon the crocodile he has a memory of seeing Steve Irwin on TV feeding crocs, He looks around and not seeing any chickens like Irwin fed the croc's with he notices some other small animals he can feed the croc. Heck Steve Irwin made millions feeding croc' and even got on TV for it.

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:23 am

I spent parts of today reading aloud from The Black Death, that being Felicity's third reading book. The approach of the plague led to pogroms across Europe in which Jews were described as "vermin" prior to town councils ordering anything from one death to thousands. Once you can think of any human as "vermin" that person has no right to life. It's not a route down which any sane or cultured person would wish to walk. People stir up other people to lynchings and genocide and murder by describing their proposed victim as "vermin" and to add an element of punishment they often throw in gang rape before they get round to killing.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:24 am

Hoss;1013774 wrote: His crimes:

Breaking and entering, damaging personal property, damaging public property.

Not a crime: feeding animals to animals.

My point: He isn't an evil child because he tossed food to the croc, nothing he did makes him an evil child. He is an untrained child and his parents should be liable for the damages to the Zoo.

People here are ready to take this child from his parents for feeding the crocs, and nobody is talking about his real crimes. This to me is one of those things in this world that is politically correct thinking.

I have killed dozens and dozens of lizards, rats, squirrels, crows, pigeons, quail, small garden birds, deer, turtles and many of them just for target practice. I have never broke into a place and damaged or stolen anything.

Do I need to be taken away from my parents and raised by 'someone who knows better'?
Hey Hoss, I had a 5 yr old once hit his 8 yr old brother in the head for not getting out of his sandbox. Should I have feared him growing up to be a brick wielding head banger?:rolleyes:

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:25 am

he is 7 years old. He probably thought it was fun to feed the croc.

My 5 and 7 year olds LOVE feeding animals when we're at a petting zoo, wildlife farm, zoo, etc.

There is a difference between feeding an animal and killing. It's not like the boy chopped up the family dog or cat.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:28 am

YZGI;1013775 wrote: You actually think a 7 yr old premeditated a plan of attack on reptiles? :-5

Did he sit in his room with his dinosaur toys and think, Hey I can kill a bunch of reptiles at the zoo by feeding them to the croc, I will do this a precisely 7:00 tomorrow when the care takers are on their dinner break?

Or, did he walk by the zoo and think, "Hey I'll go see some cool animals, then coming upon the crocodile he has a memory of seeing Steve Irwin on TV feeding crocs, He looks around and not seeing any chickens like Irwin fed the croc's with he notices some other small animals he can feed the croc. Heck Steve Irwin made millions feeding croc' and even got on TV for it.

I blame t.v. for many things. i.e Voilent games already give children license to think it's o.k. to stab and shoot.

Gordon Ramsey, i believe is one bad example of children thinking the ''F' word is cool.

And your correct, idiots, like Steve Irwin are equally as to blame.

I was mortified when the moron held his baby whilst feeding a croc.

Why were any of these examples of the degradation of society ever let on our screens, is beyond me.

Don't mis-understand me, Irwin did fine work for zoo's and conservation. I just prefered the days of Gerald Durrell. That was real teaching to children.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:34 am

spot;1013781 wrote: I spent parts of today reading aloud from The Black Death, that being Felicity's third reading book. The approach of the plague led to pogroms across Europe in which Jews were described as "vermin" prior to town councils ordering anything from one death to thousands. Once you can think of any human as "vermin" that person has no right to life. It's not a route down which any sane or cultured person would wish to walk. People stir up other people to lynchings and genocide and murder by describing their proposed victim as "vermin" and to add an element of punishment they often throw in gang rape before they get round to killing.

Why do we class particular specie's as vermin?

Rats, Mice, Foxes?? They were all put on this earth as god's creatures the same as us.

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:34 am

I think the "F" word is pretty cool. :p

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:37 am

sunny104;1013783 wrote: he is 7 years old. He probably thought it was fun to feed the croc.

My 5 and 7 year olds LOVE feeding animals when we're at a petting zoo, wildlife farm, zoo, etc.

There is a difference between feeding an animal and killing. It's not like the boy chopped up the family dog or cat.

So if he had of chopped up the cat or the dog, that would have been a real crime would it??

Tell me, what is the difference between one specie's of animal, normally found in the wild, and another specie's that man has made as pets over the years?

Is it because reptiles are scaley and cats and dogs are cute, fluffy, fetch your slippers and lie on your bed?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:40 am

sunny104;1013793 wrote: I think the "F" word is pretty cool. :p

That's why the British have got sick of the aggressive foul mouth knobhead and sent him to America

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:40 am

oscar;1013791 wrote: Why do we class particular specie's as vermin?

Rats, Mice, Foxes?? They were all put on this earth as god's creatures the same as us.

No they weren't, they evolved.

"Vermin is a term applied to various animal species regarded as pests or nuisances and especially to those associated with the carrying of disease".

Once you identify vermin you kill them.

Once you label people as vermin you dehumanise them. The one step necessary to persuade normal people to commit atrocities is vilification and dehumanization of the victims by the perpetrators.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:43 am

Yes he was there 35 minutes, he knew how to get there, how to get in, and what to do when he got there. I don't care if his plan was only to feed the croc he had a plan and carried it out.

[QUOTE]You actually think a 7 yr old premeditated a plan of attack on reptiles? [/QUOTE]

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:44 am

It fits with the idea that he is just a curious young boy that he got the croc fodder from the children's area of the zoo. They are the creatures which he would be accustomed to having been given access to. Nothing more.

That he did it in 35 minutes doesn't mean he premeditated it. It's actually a fairly long time. I'm sure he was smiling because he thought it was way cooler than watching someone else feed the croc. That's kind of why he was there in the first place.

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:45 am

oscar;1013795 wrote: So if he had of chopped up the cat or the dog, that would have been a real crime would it??

Tell me, what is the difference between one specie's of animal, normally found in the wild, and another specie's that man has made as pets over the years?

Is it because reptiles are scaley and cats and dogs are cute, fluffy, fetch your slippers and lie on your bed?

I didn't say there was a difference.

Do you think people who own pets like snakes, lizards, etc. that require live food on a daily basis to be evil murderers too??

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:45 am

oscar;1013795 wrote: So if he had of chopped up the cat or the dog, that would have been a real crime would it??

Tell me, what is the difference between one specie's of animal, normally found in the wild, and another specie's that man has made as pets over the years?

Is it because reptiles are scaley and cats and dogs are cute, fluffy, fetch your slippers and lie on your bed?
Next time you are being bitten by a mosquito I dare you not to swat it.

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:46 am

oscar;1013806 wrote: That's why the British have got sick of the aggressive foul mouth knobhead and sent him to America

yes, you all never use bad language. :rolleyes:

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:49 am

Hoss;1013830 wrote: You mean one of these:

:-5

LOL, Sandbox wars! Apparently he should have been removed from your care, placed into a modern psychologically approved politically correct family for proper upbringing.

It is interesting, according to this thread then I think you’d actually be ok. Your son didn’t hit an animal, just another kid. :-3
Hah. Good point..:sneaky:

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:50 am

interesting too that it's the people who don't have children that are being the most vicious.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:57 am

tried grans false teeth

Erm uh NO!!!:D

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:01 am

jimbo;1013855 wrote: not even to hold in your hand and bite the dog with them , or crimp pastry :wah::wah::wah:
False teeth laying about or in a container creep me out. I would be afraid they would bite me continuously.

:D

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:02 am

jimbo;1013855 wrote: not even to hold in your hand and bite the dog with them , or crimp pastry :wah::wah::wah:

:yh_rotfl

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:04 am

I just killed a spider! I think it was trying to go for my Dorito's. :-3

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:07 am

oscar;1013619 wrote: I understand Spot. When children Grab instead of stroke or touch, there is no malice there, it's simply due to not understanding that they are being too rough with the animal. Very soon they learn that this grab is excessive and is actually hurting and distressing the animal and they loosen up.

As this child is guilty of attacking the croc before this incident, he must have been reprimanded, there-fore i can draw no other conclusion but he knew of what he was doing. The pictures in papers showing him smiling makes it all the more chilling.

Do you remeber the case in Britain some years ago when children as young as this were caught deliberately drowning a baby wallaby?

jimbo;1013844 wrote: vermin my spotty bald arse for pete's sake :-5

is there a kid alive who at 7 has not done one of the following

put a frog down a girls top

shot at birds with catapults or bb guns

not ridden his push bike no handed

tried grans false teeth

told his mom/gran/sister/teacher she is fat

boys are born bad its us adults who teach them right from wrong

calling a child vermin when you know better is in itself a crime

Well said Jimbo Baggins:D

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:11 am

jimbo;1013872 wrote: i meant sneak them out of grans mouth as she slept :wah:

how did the frog down a girls top work out for you? did she remove the clothing as i had hoped or did you get the smack in the head same as i got :sneaky::wah:
Never noticed if she removed her clothes all I saw were stars.

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:14 am

YZGI;1013891 wrote: Never noticed if she removed her clothes all I saw were stars.

geez, I didn't hit you that hard! :rolleyes:

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:01 am

Out of interest, is there anyone in the thread who thinks if I were given any newborn I'd not succeed in bring it up to be a responsible thoughtful well-behaved teenager? I agree that once rebellion sets in as they prepare to fly solo there's not much remaining influence to be had, but up until then I think I'd win.

Given which, why on earth is anyone angry at the seven year old regardless of what they think he did? Why is the anger not entirely directed against those responsible for his environment?

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:26 am

spot;1014022 wrote: Out of interest, is there anyone in the thread who thinks if I were given any newborn I'd not succeed in bring it up to be a responsible thoughtful well-behaved teenager? I agree that once rebellion sets in as they prepare to fly solo there's not much remaining influence to be had, but up until then I think I'd win.

Given which, why on earth is anyone angry at the seven year old regardless of what they think he did? Why is the anger not entirely directed against those responsible for his environment?

I agree Spot:-6

btw....You're reading "The Black Death" to your little one

What are the other 2 you've read to her:p

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:31 am

spot;1014022 wrote: Out of interest, is there anyone in the thread who thinks if I were given any newborn I'd not succeed in bring it up to be a responsible thoughtful well-behaved teenager? I agree that once rebellion sets in as they prepare to fly solo there's not much remaining influence to be had, but up until then I think I'd win.

I think most could Spot. Obviously not all.

Given which, why on earth is anyone angry at the seven year old regardless of what they think he did? Why is the anger not entirely directed against those responsible for his environment?
Agree also on the second point.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:33 am

Kathy Ellen;1014092 wrote: I agree Spot:-6

btw....You're reading "The Black Death" to your little one

What are the other 2 you've read to her:p

I think he mentioned "War and Peace" and "Cujo" By Stepan King.

Just joking Spot..:wah:

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:35 am

spot;1014022 wrote: Out of interest, is there anyone in the thread who thinks if I were given any newborn I'd not succeed in bring it up to be a responsible thoughtful well-behaved teenager? I agree that once rebellion sets in as they prepare to fly solo there's not much remaining influence to be had, but up until then I think I'd win.

Given which, why on earth is anyone angry at the seven year old regardless of what they think he did? Why is the anger not entirely directed against those responsible for his environment?

Yes but not just yourself Spot, most people on this forum would achieve the same success.

And your second statement sums up exactly how I have been feeling all along.

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:37 am

spot;1014022 wrote: Out of interest, is there anyone in the thread who thinks if I were given any newborn I'd not succeed in bring it up to be a responsible thoughtful well-behaved teenager? I agree that once rebellion sets in as they prepare to fly solo there's not much remaining influence to be had, but up until then I think I'd win.

Given which, why on earth is anyone angry at the seven year old regardless of what they think he did? Why is the anger not entirely directed against those responsible for his environment?

Spot. I agree with what you said here. Well put and those responsible should stand up and be a counted for.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:38 am

YZGI;1014106 wrote: I think he mentioned "War and Peace" and "Cujo" By Stepan King.

Just joking Spot..:wah:

:wah::wah: All good books:p

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:41 am

spot;1014022 wrote: Out of interest, is there anyone in the thread who thinks if I were given any newborn I'd not succeed in bring it up to be a responsible thoughtful well-behaved teenager? I agree that once rebellion sets in as they prepare to fly solo there's not much remaining influence to be had, but up until then I think I'd win.

Given which, why on earth is anyone angry at the seven year old regardless of what they think he did? Why is the anger not entirely directed against those responsible for his environment?
I dare say though Spot, there is a better than even chance that said child would grow up very anti-American..

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:57 am

Kathy Ellen;1014092 wrote: What are the other 2 you've read to her:pShe started with The Count Of Monte Cristo which is easily the most exciting book ever written and which, if read with sufficient enthusiasm, is suited to a child of any age. After that she had B Traven's The Treasure of the Sierra Madre because all the accents were different to the Monte Cristo ones, naturally enough. She enjoyed that too. I've no idea when she'll manage to read on her own, she's shown no signs so far.

Treasure Island's high on my short list. More fun accents. Aharrr jim lad. I think I've read that aloud more often than any other book. I get quite loud in places.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:00 am

spot;1014161 wrote: She started with The Count Of Monte Cristo which is easily the most exciting book ever written and which, if read with sufficient enthusiasm, is suited to a child of any age. After that she had B Traven's The Treasure of the Sierra Madre because all the accents were different to the Monte Cristo ones, naturally enough. She enjoyed that too. I've no idea when she'll manage to read on her own, she's shown no signs so far.

Treasure Island's high on my short list. More fun accents. Aharrr jim lad. I think I've read that aloud more often than any other book. I get quite loud in places.

You are so wack-a-doodle :wah::wah:

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:02 am

YZGI;1014105 wrote: I think most could Spot.I don't doubt it, I merely spoke of myself because I feel confident I could do it. I'm sure any here who couldn't, if there are any, are a small minority.

As for anti-American, none of my first batch are - rather the reverse, they tend to argue with me when such subjects crop up.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:09 am

spot;1014172 wrote: I don't doubt it, I merely spoke of myself because I feel confident I could do it. I'm sure any here who couldn't, if there are any, are a small minority.

As for anti-American, none of my first batch are - rather the reverse, they tend to argue with me when such subjects crop up.
Well good on you Spot, I should have figured as much. Now if you were to put your reading of the Count of Monte Cristo on CD I would love to use it as my to and from work, book to listen to. Throw in the CD version of Treasure Island and we might have a major release CD. I know I would think it very entertaining not to mention educational.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:00 am

I dont know if you would succeed in bringing up a child to be a good and decen member of society spot, but i think you would consiously try your very best, thats what i did:D

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:43 am

I agree Spot you and many of us could, and have raised our Kids to be decent caring people in every sense of the word. I have helped raise many that weren't related as they needed help they weren't getting at home.

I don't blame this 7 year old child for 1 minute. Of course its his environment that is the problem. I suggest taking him out of that environment immediately if he is to have chance.