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spot;1044753 wrote: Jim Brady was Reagan's Press Secretary, he just happened to be next to the President when John Hinckley started firing. Jim Brady was shot in the head, a policemen and a secret service agent were each shot and finally the President caught a ricochet. Nobody really thinks that Jim Brady was the target.



You wrote "We should not be choosing a president just to make up for past injustices" as though I'd suggested you should. I didn't. I said that the risk of an assassination, even if it's an increased risk, shouldn't be an excuse not to elect someone.


I stand corrected ,thank you. I know the 'Brady bill' was named for Jim brady and I remembered him being one of Regans top dogs , and wrongly tied all my guesses togather and guessed it had something to do with policy, see I knew I needed to state I wasn't showing the smart side.

oscar;1043715 wrote: Our Prime Minister or should i say 'The Right Honerable Gordon Brown' which is his correct title that my fellow countrymen do not use, is now inbetween a rock and a hard place with immigration. If he talks on limiting immigration, he is accused of being a racist. If he keeps the doors open to Britain, he will get slated for that as well.

I don't know if you have the same there as we do but we have a government set minimum wage. This is something that attracts alot of Eastern immigrants to our country and of course our benifit and National Health Care system.

We are certainly a multi-national country these days. Immigration is not entirely a bad thing, their working taxes benifit the country a great deal.


We have a minimum wage as well....but illegal immigrants often work for less "under the table"...or in other words for cash. They live 10-20 people in a small apartment. Who wants to live like that? But the only way to compete is to live like that. Furthermore when they work for cash the boss does not pay workers compensation tax...or any tax at all, including social security tax. So there is big benefit for the employer. When it comes to legal immigrants, they often work very cheap also because the boss is taking unfair advantage of their precarious situation. If they have a workers visa it is applied for by their boss...so they are kind of stuck for awhile. This drags wages down. When it comes to minimum wage...no one can live on it. Rent costs more than the minimum wage unless you pile up a bunch of people in a one room apartment. So you can see where the problem is. We have no national health care system, but they can still get free health care if they have an emergency. Its paid for by guess who....the taxpayers whose wages are being depressed by the government letting in so many visa workers and illegals.

wildhorses;1044824 wrote: We have a minimum wage as well....but illegal immigrants often work for less "under the table"...or in other words for cash. I'll show you ours, you show us yours.

The National Minimum Wage: introduction : Directgov - Employment

The rates from 1 October 2008 are:

adults (which means people aged 22 and over), £5.73 an hour

workers aged 18-21, £4.77 an hour - the 'development rate'

young people (those older than school leaving age and younger than 18; you're under school leaving age until the end of summer term of the school year in which you turn 16), £3.53 an hour

spot;1044826 wrote: I'll show you ours, you show us yours.

The National Minimum Wage: introduction : Directgov - Employment

The rates from 1 October 2008 are:

adults (which means people aged 22 and over), £5.73 an hour

workers aged 18-21, £4.77 an hour - the 'development rate'

young people (those older than school leaving age and younger than 18; you're under school leaving age until the end of summer term of the school year in which you turn 16), £3.53 an hour


We have a Federal Minimum Wage and a State Minimum Wage and San Francisco has its own minimum wage.

Federal Minimum Wage does not take into account that different regions have way different living expenses. San Francisco is very expensive. A one bedroom apartment is 1200-1300 bucks a month.

The Federal Minimum Wage I think is around 7-8 bucks. So you would not even be able to pay rent, let alone buy food or keep the lights on. In San Francisco the minimum wage is 9.57 an hour. After tax that ends up being about 1400 bucks a month. Still impossible to pay rent and buy food and keep the lights on. And forget owning a car.

The minimum wage was first designed to cover the basic necessities of life which it no longer does. It is depressed and has been for some time.

Illegals often work for 5 or 6 bucks an hour. So that takes those jobs away from Americans. Of course bosses will pay you one dollar if you are desperate enough to take it. However they can only get away with this as long as there are illegals coming in willing to work at slave wages. You get the picture.

And our wonderful legislators have not seen fit to raise the minimum wage along with cost of living increases. So the long and the short of it is that the minimum wage in this country means nothing anymore. It is a facade.

spot;1044826 wrote: I'll show you ours, you show us yours.



The National Minimum Wage: introduction : Directgov - Employment



The rates from 1 October 2008 are:



adults (which means people aged 22 and over), £5.73 an hour



workers aged 18-21, £4.77 an hour - the 'development rate'



young people (those older than school leaving age and younger than 18; you're under school leaving age until the end of summer term of the school year in which you turn 16), £3.53 an hour




Here is ours and the url to the site

The federal minimum wage for covered nonexempt employees is $6.55 per hour effective July 24, 2008.





U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Wages - Minimum Wage



So your mim. wage is just few pennies from being $0.50 more per hour than ours is.

scholle-kid;1044862 wrote: Here is ours and the url to the site

The federal minimum wage for covered nonexempt employees is $6.55 per hour effective July 24, 2008.





U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Wages - Minimum Wage



So your mim. wage is just few pennies from being $0.50 more per hour than ours is.


Umm... ours is $9.34 if my ability to do arithmetic still works. 42% higher.

spot;1044865 wrote: Umm... ours is $9.34 if my ability to do arithmetic still works. 42% higher.




I did the right math with the wrong numbers.

How I found out about the exchange rate between our money and yours was, I ordered something I thought was a darn good deal for 24.95 your money but when the math was done I paid 49 dollars and change my money ,

spot;1044753 wrote: I said that the risk of an assassination, even if it's an increased risk, shouldn't be an excuse not to elect someone.


The intent of my thread was not to say that the possibility of Obama being assassinated would be an excuse to not elect a candidate Spot.

I merely meant, the chances of a deluded fruit cake such as LHO taking a chance for eternal fame in history,

I have done my stint this morning on the poppy stand and the talk of the British people in general this morning is over-whelmingly the topic of Obama being taken out.

Most gave him six months max. I still give it three weeks before a serious threat is made on his life.

What i found quite alarming this morning, i rang William Hill Bookmakers The biggest betting org in Britain) to ask for odds on Obama being assassinated within the first 3 months, and was told they had suspended betting. I'll leave why to your imagination. :(:(

oscar;1044952 wrote: i rang William Hill Bookmakers The biggest betting org in Britain) to ask for odds on Obama being assassinated within the first 3 months, and was told they had suspended betting. I'll leave why to your imagination. :(:(


Good taste, I should hope. Besides, how could anyone possibly collect their winnings after an event like that?

American Presidents only die if their security detail is complicit in the arrangement as they must have been when President Kennedy was murdered. I'm quite confident President Obama will be perfectly safe for his eight years in office.

spot;1044956 wrote: Good taste, I should hope. Besides, how could anyone possibly collect their winnings after an event like that?

William Hill...... Not taking bets out of good taste??? Never Spot.

I did have a bit of a conversation and funny, i did ask the question " Is that because you don't bet on death".

He said "NO, we've just had too many punters".

oscar;1044265 wrote: It's not like that at all. You have to remember that we have a very different calibre of jotnalists here. On one hand, we have highly respected investigative research Journalists who have been following the campaign trail In America reporting on Obama and Mccain for months. They are the one's who turn up the storie's of 'Ayer's', Rv Wright etc.

On the other hand we have what is known here as the gutter press. These are unscrupulous Fleet Street Hacks who will use anything to get at the party the want to lose to undermine them in this country. We can only go by what our press tell us daily and what we see on the BBC and Sky news.

The reason is to under-mine the respect that the British population has for Obama. Britain for months has been reporting over-whelmingly in McCain's favour. In some press, he can noy do wrong where as Obama is a man not to be trusted.

The reason your election has such an impact on Grat Britain is because you affect our economy, Nato and the UN.

To be Frank, our Prime Minister has made comments that the entire economic collapse is down to one country only........ America.

From What i saw on my news today, it is encouraging to see blacks voting for Mccain and whites voting for Obama. That's the way it should be.

In a years time, you may be having a similar debate over our General election between Gordon Brown and his oppossition, David Cameron.


We have the same types of both press outlets here. Good of you to know the difference. Some people here just love repeating from the 'gossip' mags and attempting to make it true.

The news actually reported last night that Obama has an aunt here who is illegal. Now, what I didn't hear was whether she was here as a visitor or attempting to gain citizenship or actuall living illegally here.

I knew I should have taken World Economics in college, so I'll ask the question anyway. . .why does America's finances affect the rest of the world so much? Is it the stock exchange? Or are we just so consumer hungry that we maintain the rest of the world's economy? Why can't each country haggle the prices of oil, gas, stocks and things on their own? I think divide and conquer may be the best idea about now, especially for oil. Drive the prices down.:driving:

oscar;1043566 wrote: Well, we all know that it's highly probable.

No-one likes to raise the subject, so i will.

WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF OBAMA BEING ASSASSINATED?


They have already arrested five people supposedly plotting just that.

That would be the worst thing to happen to this country in its history and that is saying something, God help us if some nutcase acts. This country will be torn asunder and may never fully recover internally or externally.

I was in the National Guard and on a street corner with a rifle during the 1967 riots, that will be a cakewalk compared to what could happen.

I don't want him to be President, but if he is I want him to live long and prosper.

911;1045605 wrote: We have the same types of both press outlets here. Good of you to know the difference. Some people here just love repeating from the 'gossip' mags and attempting to make it true.

The news actually reported last night that Obama has an aunt here who is illegal. Now, what I didn't hear was whether she was here as a visitor or attempting to gain citizenship or actuall living illegally here.

I knew I should have taken World Economics in college, so I'll ask the question anyway. . .why does America's finances affect the rest of the world so much? Is it the stock exchange? Or are we just so consumer hungry that we maintain the rest of the world's economy? Why can't each country haggle the prices of oil, gas, stocks and things on their own? I think divide and conquer may be the best idea about now, especially for oil. Drive the prices down.:driving:


I am no expert economist but it affects our economy simply due to to the fact that we are Part of the EU and tied to Brussels. There is massive investment from Britain into America and vice versa. You have massive investment in Europe.

Sorry to be smug, but i don't know if you saw my post two days ago? We got the exclusive about Obama's aunt in London before your papers. I did google The Washington Post and The New York Times and could find nothing there on the day we had it.

The oil companie's are greedy bastards and it'd be a stompin idea if we all united and held them to ransom. We were lucky here. About two weeks ago, our Prime Minister, Gordon brown went to the fuel oulets in Britain and said 'slash your prices now, or else!' The next morning, they were cut instantly. We are expecting an announcement from him any day that they will be cut further. Gordon brown seems to be a man not to be messed with!! This is the man who said to Iceland 'pay Britain back the money you owe now, or else!'. They didn't so he used anti-terrorism laws and froze their assets bankrupting them overnight.

No surprise then that our Prime Minister is gaining in the polls ready for our general Election next year. He also bought out our banks a few weeks ago and sacked the bank chiefs and directors. If only Bush had Our Prime Ministers balls eh?

Gordon Brown is as we speak, talking to America and Europe about an Internation Regularity committee where all countrie's will have to agree on same banking policy. No more room for mavericks like Bush. If Gordon Brown pulls it off, it will benifit all of us internationally.

QUINNSCOMMENTARY;1045616 wrote: They have already arrested five people supposedly plotting just that.

That would be the worst thing to happen to this country in its history and that is saying something, God help us if some nutcase acts. This country will be torn asunder and may never fully recover internally or externally.

I was in the National Guard and on a street corner with a rifle during the 1967 riots, that will be a cakewalk compared to what could happen.

I don't want him to be President, but if he is I want him to live long and prosper.


Absolutely Quinn. I don't want him as President but i would not want to see his death. All it takes, is one lucky bullet from a fruit nut.

British press are reporting today that riots are expected in Chicago if he doesn't win but also riots in the South, if he does. We will have to see. I phoned the biggest betting organisation in Britain today to see what odds they'd give on him being assassinated within 3 months and was told they had suspended betting due to too many bets. Omenous, do you not think?? :(

Quite huge I should imagine, we were only talking about this tomight.

Mia;1045640 wrote: Quite huge I should imagine, we were only talking about this tomight.


His security is going to be a nightmare for him. It worrie's me that he has two young children. I wouldn't want them caught up in some kind of attack.

I was shopping in a busy supermarket yesterday and there was little talk on Obama winning but everyone is talking and guessing how long it will be before he's shot. Nice eh?

A presidents job is to serve the will of the people, period. Everything else is just political bs and So far Obama and his little friends have done nothing to make me think they are capable of serving anything other than themselves. "Look at us! we will change all the bad naughty things Bush did!"

Obama came across like he was running for class president, not our president.

Ill pray for Obama, and ill give him the benifit of the doubt for now. Im convinced however that its only a matter of time before he starts shiting all over our constitution. Therfore, im going to sit back, buy a few rifles that I can sell with a 5000% markup when they are banned and watch the train wreck that is sure to come.

In 4 years im sure we will elect some republican who will come in to "fix" everything. I guess thats politics.

If he gets shot before inauguration day I do not think Biden would be President I think that would go to Nancy Pelosi until an emergency run-off election could be held. With another re-nomination that would probably be Clinton. It would be a mess. His security has been tripled. No doubt.

librtyhead;1052070 wrote: If he gets shot before inauguration day I do not think Biden would be President I think that would go to Nancy Pelosi until an emergency run-off election could be held. With another re-nomination that would probably be Clinton. It would be a mess. His security has been tripled. No doubt.


So, I'm not alone in thinking the Obama dream has been nothing but talk. My Prime Minister has done more in 3 weeks than Obama will do in 4 years. There is going to be a world of dissapointed people out there. I can't wait until January 25th when Obama has to actually do something other than talk.

oscar;1052071 wrote: So, I'm not alone in thinking the Obama dream has been nothing but talk. My Prime Minister has done more in 3 weeks than Obama will do in 4 years. There is going to be a world of dissapointed people out there. I can't wait until January 25th when Obama has to actually do something other than talk.


I am not a fan of Obama but I do have to respect the office the President. He has been voted in and I am willing to give him a chance.

I do not think Biden would become President though, he is not the actual vice-President yet and has not been installed as such. After the inauguration that would be a different story. But before it I believe a special election would have to be held. I am not so sure of the contingency plan that would have to take effect. It has never happened before.

librtyhead;1052099 wrote: I am not a fan of Obama but I do have to respect the office the President. He has been voted in and I am willing to give him a chance.

I do not think Biden would become President though, he is not the actual vice-President yet and has not been installed as such. After the inauguration that would be a different story. But before it I believe a special election would have to be held. I am not so sure of the contingency plan that would have to take effect. It has never happened before.


That's a shame. I have to say that I have quite a memory of Biden. He's been around a long time. All through the build up to the election, i was actually very impressed with Biden. I thought he did marvellously on the VP speech. I wanted McCain to win but hell, did that 'socor mom moose hunter' irritate me after a short while.

It would be a huge shame if Biden could not take office due to Obama going down before the inauguration. He worked damn hard and hardly ever got a mention in our press here.

librtyhead;1052070 wrote: If he gets shot before inauguration day I do not think Biden would be President I think that would go to Nancy Pelosi until an emergency run-off election could be held. With another re-nomination that would probably be Clinton. It would be a mess. His security has been tripled. No doubt.


According to this story today, it seems Palin whipped up the assassination attempts.

Sarah Palin's jibe about Obama 'palling with terrorists' led to dramatic rise in death threats | Mail Online