Touchstone;1069118 wrote: "Ho Hum!" Or as someone said on one of my previous threads ... "here we go again!"
An exhaustive investigation by Popular Science stripped back each conspiracy to its core set of facts then used science and logic to reveal the truth behind the myth. A new book, Debunking 9/11 Myths, details the magazine's findings.
Popular Science found that each conspiracy theory was supported by little more than shoddy research, misinterpretations of evidence, and leaps of logic that would embarrass a primary school student. The myths soon collapse under the weight of their own hot air.
MYTH
Hijackers were not skilled enough to fly four airliners through the complicated series of manoeuvres needed to hit their targets.
TRUTH
All four pilots had logged at least 250 hours' flying time and were commercially licensed pilots. They had trained extensively on commercial jet flight simulators and didn't have to perform the most complicated parts of any flight: taking off, flying in bad weather and landing.
The New York pilots could see their targets from 100km away and the Pentagon hijacker used autopilot to fly almost all the way to his destination, then disengaged it when he was a few minutes from his target.
MYTH
The towers were struck by military cargo planes or fuel tankers. Windows are not visible in photographs or footage of the planes before they struck the towers and a witness, cameraman Marc Birnbach said on September 11: "It definitely didn't look like a commercial plane. I didn't see any windows on the sides."
TRUTH
Birnbach told Popular Science he was 3km away and didn't see the plane hit the tower. The plane was tilted away from him, meaning the windows on the right side were pointed towards the sky. Part of a United Airlines fuselage, complete with portholes, was found on the roof of 5 World Trade Centre.
MYTH
The twin towers were in fact professionally demolished. An aircraft impact is not sufficient to knock down a skyscraper, and dust "squibs" indicating controlled demolition are visible just before the towers collapsed.
TRUTH
The aircraft severed a large portion of the external steel web that gave the towers much of their strength.
Other metal supporting columns were weakened by the ferocious heat generated by burning jet fuel.
The "squibs" were pressurised air being squeezed out of the building as the floors above it compacted.
Explosives experts say that a successful demolition would require hundreds of tonnes of explosives packed around each weight-bearing column in the building. Installing the charges would have taken 75 men at least three months.
MYTH
The Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile. Security tape of the attack shows a white blur, not a plane, the entry hole in the building was only 5m wide and no plane wreckage was found.
TRUTH
The plane flew over morning commuters and hundreds of witnesses saw it hit the Pentagon.
Security cameras film at a very slow frame rate – far too slow to show an object moving at 240m per second.
Photographs taken after the attack and before the facade collapsed show a hole 30m wide, not 5m.
A Boeing 757 is 40m from wingtip to wingtip, but parts of both wings were sheared off when they struck a generator and external vent near the Pentagon.
Most of the plane was shredded on impact but the landing gear punched through three of the building's rings, and was recognisable in photographs.
MYTH
United Flight 93 was shot down by a jet that had been repainted white to disguise military markings.
Debris from the plane was found kilometres from the impact zone, proving that it had exploded in midair.
TRUTH
The white plane seen by witnesses is no secret – it was a corporate jet rerouted by flight controllers to the last known radar location of United 93.
It circled the smoking impact zone as the pilot radioed in what he had found.
The farthest piece of debris from the impact zone was just a few hundred metres away.
Forty five years after JFK was assassinated conspiracy theories still abound and the same will be true of 9/11.
Ryan.
Very interesting - shame none of those myths have been claimed by Spot.
Even bigger shame that neither of the points he has raised are covered by your "debunking" - that the calls from mobile 'phones made whilst the 'planes were at cruising altitude could not have been made in that way and that, if you weaken one side of a tower and then melt the rest of the supports then the building will topple, not pancake.
I would be interested in seeing your rebuttal.
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Touchstone;1069118 wrote: "Ho Hum!" Or as someone said on one of my previous threads ... "here we go again!"It speaks volumes that you post rebuttals of any number of things I didn't claim, and ignored completely those things which I did ask or claim.
1. How can any foreign group or even country turn the USA into a land that reads the Koran and has Allah rule the land? It's a meaningless concept, no country or group could possibly apply force to that extent and you certainly can't mean by preaching to you.
2. Can you think of any good reason why not a single person in the USA has been so much as reprimanded for the failure to intercept any of the hijacked planes contrary to established practice and standing orders? Or for the intelligence and police failure to monitor the activities of the hijackers and intervene before the day's events?
3. Air interceptions of civilian airliners leaving their designated routes had worked reliably and consistently for decades. Why did they not work on 9/11? The only reason the hijackers achieved their home runs was the "inexplicable" lack of intercepts.
1. How can any foreign group or even country turn the USA into a land that reads the Koran and has Allah rule the land? It's a meaningless concept, no country or group could possibly apply force to that extent and you certainly can't mean by preaching to you.
2. Can you think of any good reason why not a single person in the USA has been so much as reprimanded for the failure to intercept any of the hijacked planes contrary to established practice and standing orders? Or for the intelligence and police failure to monitor the activities of the hijackers and intervene before the day's events?
3. Air interceptions of civilian airliners leaving their designated routes had worked reliably and consistently for decades. Why did they not work on 9/11? The only reason the hijackers achieved their home runs was the "inexplicable" lack of intercepts.
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Jester;1069122 wrote: You guys are wasting your fingers, Spot will never allow reason to be used over his hatred of GW Bush and 'this administration'.
He resents the US because we have power, and thats about it.
But all is not lost, the great Obamination has entered the edge of the arena and is warming up to make all things right in Spot eyes!
I missed you!:-4
and your word of wisdom and truth.
He resents the US because we have power, and thats about it.
But all is not lost, the great Obamination has entered the edge of the arena and is warming up to make all things right in Spot eyes!
I missed you!:-4
and your word of wisdom and truth.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Jester;1069238 wrote: I missed you too!:-4
how long are you home for hun?
how long are you home for hun?
Life is just to short for drama.
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Jester;1069237 wrote: Your asking questions, your not giving any proof.
Where's the beef?
Proof of questions??
Where's the beef?
Proof of questions??
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Jester;1069250 wrote: C'mon Spot, your simple questions dont make the conspiracy true, you need real proof, which is why most poeple on here sort of scrunch up thier noses and say 'what the heck is he talking about?'.
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Just read the questions.1. How can any foreign group or even country turn the USA into a land that reads the Koran and has Allah rule the land? It's a meaningless concept, no country or group could possibly apply force to that extent and you certainly can't mean by preaching to you.
2. Can you think of any good reason why not a single person in the USA has been so much as reprimanded for the failure to intercept any of the hijacked planes contrary to established practice and standing orders? Or reprimanded for the intelligence and police failure to monitor the activities of the hijackers and intervene before the day's events?
3. Air interceptions of civilian airliners leaving their designated routes had worked reliably and consistently for decades. Why did they not work on 9/11? The only reason the hijackers achieved their home runs was the "inexplicable" lack of intercepts.Are you asking for proof that nobody's been disciplined or reprimanded for their actions that day? I can't give that but I can be very easily shot down if anyone can produce a report of a reprimand, can't I.
Are you asking for proof that air interceptions of civilian airliners leaving their designated routes worked reliably and consistently for decades up until 9/11? I expect I can supply that if you like, I thought it was common ground between us that it was true though.
Those are the only two statements I put in asking the three questions.
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Just read the questions.1. How can any foreign group or even country turn the USA into a land that reads the Koran and has Allah rule the land? It's a meaningless concept, no country or group could possibly apply force to that extent and you certainly can't mean by preaching to you.
2. Can you think of any good reason why not a single person in the USA has been so much as reprimanded for the failure to intercept any of the hijacked planes contrary to established practice and standing orders? Or reprimanded for the intelligence and police failure to monitor the activities of the hijackers and intervene before the day's events?
3. Air interceptions of civilian airliners leaving their designated routes had worked reliably and consistently for decades. Why did they not work on 9/11? The only reason the hijackers achieved their home runs was the "inexplicable" lack of intercepts.Are you asking for proof that nobody's been disciplined or reprimanded for their actions that day? I can't give that but I can be very easily shot down if anyone can produce a report of a reprimand, can't I.
Are you asking for proof that air interceptions of civilian airliners leaving their designated routes worked reliably and consistently for decades up until 9/11? I expect I can supply that if you like, I thought it was common ground between us that it was true though.
Those are the only two statements I put in asking the three questions.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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Bryn Mawr;1069138 wrote: Very interesting - shame none of those myths have been claimed by Spot.
Even bigger shame that neither of the points he has raised are covered by your "debunking" - that the calls from mobile 'phones made whilst the 'planes were at cruising altitude could not have been made in that way and that, if you weaken one side of a tower and then melt the rest of the supports then the building will topple, not pancake.
I would be interested in seeing your rebuttal.
See my reply to Spot which is in the pipeline.
Ryan.
Even bigger shame that neither of the points he has raised are covered by your "debunking" - that the calls from mobile 'phones made whilst the 'planes were at cruising altitude could not have been made in that way and that, if you weaken one side of a tower and then melt the rest of the supports then the building will topple, not pancake.
I would be interested in seeing your rebuttal.
See my reply to Spot which is in the pipeline.
Ryan.
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spot;1069155 wrote: It speaks volumes that you post rebuttals of any number of things I didn't claim, and ignored completely those things which I did ask or claim.
1. How can any foreign group or even country turn the USA into a land that reads the Koran and has Allah rule the land? It's a meaningless concept, no country or group could possibly apply force to that extent and you certainly can't mean by preaching to you.
2. Can you think of any good reason why not a single person in the USA has been so much as reprimanded for the failure to intercept any of the hijacked planes contrary to established practice and standing orders? Or for the intelligence and police failure to monitor the activities of the hijackers and intervene before the day's events?
3. Air interceptions of civilian airliners leaving their designated routes had worked reliably and consistently for decades. Why did they not work on 9/11? The only reason the hijackers achieved their home runs was the "inexplicable" lack of intercepts.
The reason I ignored your questions Spot and posted other ludicrous conspiracy theory rebuttals, is that they are as dumb as your theory. Correct me if I'm wrong but what you are claiming, albeit it in a round about way, is that the US President and his Aides orchestrated 9/11.
While I don't want to put words into your mouth, I figure that sooner or later you are gonna say that George Bush's Zionist masters ordered him to arrange for terrorists to fly those planes into the Twin Towers.
Why? Well I suppose so that America had an excuse to invade and occupy Iraq and thereby surround Iran in order to protect Israel!
As for your three questions ... attempting to answer them will only result in more internet tennis so I will not even try.
Ryan.
1. How can any foreign group or even country turn the USA into a land that reads the Koran and has Allah rule the land? It's a meaningless concept, no country or group could possibly apply force to that extent and you certainly can't mean by preaching to you.
2. Can you think of any good reason why not a single person in the USA has been so much as reprimanded for the failure to intercept any of the hijacked planes contrary to established practice and standing orders? Or for the intelligence and police failure to monitor the activities of the hijackers and intervene before the day's events?
3. Air interceptions of civilian airliners leaving their designated routes had worked reliably and consistently for decades. Why did they not work on 9/11? The only reason the hijackers achieved their home runs was the "inexplicable" lack of intercepts.
The reason I ignored your questions Spot and posted other ludicrous conspiracy theory rebuttals, is that they are as dumb as your theory. Correct me if I'm wrong but what you are claiming, albeit it in a round about way, is that the US President and his Aides orchestrated 9/11.
While I don't want to put words into your mouth, I figure that sooner or later you are gonna say that George Bush's Zionist masters ordered him to arrange for terrorists to fly those planes into the Twin Towers.
Why? Well I suppose so that America had an excuse to invade and occupy Iraq and thereby surround Iran in order to protect Israel!
As for your three questions ... attempting to answer them will only result in more internet tennis so I will not even try.
Ryan.
I don't want to press "1" for English. This is America!
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
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Touchstone;1069338 wrote: The reason I ignored your questions Spot and posted other ludicrous conspiracy theory rebuttals, is that they are as dumb as your theory. Correct me if I'm wrong but what you are claiming, albeit it in a round about way, is that the US President and his Aides orchestrated 9/11.
While I don't want to put words into your mouth, I figure that sooner or later you are gonna say that George Bush's Zionist masters ordered him to arrange for terrorists to fly those planes into the Twin Towers.
Why? Well I suppose so that America had an excuse to invade and occupy Iraq and thereby surround Iran in order to protect Israel!
As for your three questions ... attempting to answer them will only result in more internet tennis so I will not even try.
Ryan.Again you've put words into my mouth that I haven't said. You're merely refusing to consider the questions as legitimate question entirely in their own light.
My position is that the normal operation of the air intercepts would have successfully prevented the hijacked planes from reaching their targets and that the air defences were lowered in order for the attacks to succeed. Nothing to do with orchestration, nor even whose decision it was to order the defences to be withdrawn. Nothing even about the Al-Qaeda organizers or the hijackers knowing that the path was being cleared for them. Merely that the plan was known and that it was enabled, because without the enablement it was guaranteed to fail short of the destruction of the buildings.
You might simply be incapable of answering the questions but they're very simple and the answers don't need specialist knowledge.
How can any foreign group or even country turn the USA into a land that reads the Koran and has Allah rule the land?
Can you think of any good reason why not a single person in the USA has been so much as reprimanded for the failure to intercept any of the hijacked planes contrary to established practice and standing orders? Or for the intelligence and police failure to monitor the activities of the hijackers and intervene before the day's events?
Why did the air interceptions not work on 9/11?.
While I don't want to put words into your mouth, I figure that sooner or later you are gonna say that George Bush's Zionist masters ordered him to arrange for terrorists to fly those planes into the Twin Towers.
Why? Well I suppose so that America had an excuse to invade and occupy Iraq and thereby surround Iran in order to protect Israel!
As for your three questions ... attempting to answer them will only result in more internet tennis so I will not even try.
Ryan.Again you've put words into my mouth that I haven't said. You're merely refusing to consider the questions as legitimate question entirely in their own light.
My position is that the normal operation of the air intercepts would have successfully prevented the hijacked planes from reaching their targets and that the air defences were lowered in order for the attacks to succeed. Nothing to do with orchestration, nor even whose decision it was to order the defences to be withdrawn. Nothing even about the Al-Qaeda organizers or the hijackers knowing that the path was being cleared for them. Merely that the plan was known and that it was enabled, because without the enablement it was guaranteed to fail short of the destruction of the buildings.
You might simply be incapable of answering the questions but they're very simple and the answers don't need specialist knowledge.
How can any foreign group or even country turn the USA into a land that reads the Koran and has Allah rule the land?
Can you think of any good reason why not a single person in the USA has been so much as reprimanded for the failure to intercept any of the hijacked planes contrary to established practice and standing orders? Or for the intelligence and police failure to monitor the activities of the hijackers and intervene before the day's events?
Why did the air interceptions not work on 9/11?.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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spot;1069372 wrote: Again you've put words into my mouth that I haven't said. You're merely refusing to consider the questions as legitimate question entirely in their own light.
My position is that the normal operation of the air intercepts would have successfully prevented the hijacked planes from reaching their targets and that the air defences were lowered in order for the attacks to succeed. Nothing to do with orchestration, nor even whose decision it was to order the defences to be withdrawn. Nothing even about the Al-Qaeda organizers or the hijackers knowing that the path was being cleared for them. Merely that the plan was known and that it was enabled, because without the enablement it was guaranteed to fail short of the destruction of the buildings.
You might simply be incapable of answering the questions but they're very simple and the answers don't need specialist knowledge.
How can any foreign group or even country turn the USA into a land that reads the Koran and has Allah rule the land?
Can you think of any good reason why not a single person in the USA has been so much as reprimanded for the failure to intercept any of the hijacked planes contrary to established practice and standing orders? Or for the intelligence and police failure to monitor the activities of the hijackers and intervene before the day's events?
Why did the air interceptions not work on 9/11?.
Well I'm done Spot so I guess this will have to apply to me!
"The problem with keeping your thoughts to yourself
Is that you will never know when you are right or wrong."
Ryan.
My position is that the normal operation of the air intercepts would have successfully prevented the hijacked planes from reaching their targets and that the air defences were lowered in order for the attacks to succeed. Nothing to do with orchestration, nor even whose decision it was to order the defences to be withdrawn. Nothing even about the Al-Qaeda organizers or the hijackers knowing that the path was being cleared for them. Merely that the plan was known and that it was enabled, because without the enablement it was guaranteed to fail short of the destruction of the buildings.
You might simply be incapable of answering the questions but they're very simple and the answers don't need specialist knowledge.
How can any foreign group or even country turn the USA into a land that reads the Koran and has Allah rule the land?
Can you think of any good reason why not a single person in the USA has been so much as reprimanded for the failure to intercept any of the hijacked planes contrary to established practice and standing orders? Or for the intelligence and police failure to monitor the activities of the hijackers and intervene before the day's events?
Why did the air interceptions not work on 9/11?.
Well I'm done Spot so I guess this will have to apply to me!
"The problem with keeping your thoughts to yourself
Is that you will never know when you are right or wrong."
Ryan.
I don't want to press "1" for English. This is America!
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
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Touchstone;1069428 wrote: Well I'm done Spot so I guess this will have to apply to me!
"The problem with keeping your thoughts to yourself
Is that you will never know when you are right or wrong."
Ryan.
You'd be more interesting if you made more of an effort.
"The problem with keeping your thoughts to yourself
Is that you will never know when you are right or wrong."
Ryan.
You'd be more interesting if you made more of an effort.
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spot;1069432 wrote: You'd be more interesting if you made more of an effort.
As a child I suffered terribly from SASS ... I believe I still do.
I will try to do better next time!
Ryan.
As a child I suffered terribly from SASS ... I believe I still do.
I will try to do better next time!
Ryan.
I don't want to press "1" for English. This is America!
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
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Touchstone;1069428 wrote: Well I'm done Spot so I guess this will have to apply to me!
"The problem with keeping your thoughts to yourself
Is that you will never know when you are right or wrong."
Ryan.
All I can say is that the more people refuse or fail to answer the questions the more powerful those questions become.
From thinking them interesting oddities, I'm now starting to think of them as significant questions in themselves.
"The problem with keeping your thoughts to yourself
Is that you will never know when you are right or wrong."
Ryan.
All I can say is that the more people refuse or fail to answer the questions the more powerful those questions become.
From thinking them interesting oddities, I'm now starting to think of them as significant questions in themselves.
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Bryn Mawr;1069735 wrote: All I can say is that the more people refuse or fail to answer the questions the more powerful those questions become.
From thinking them interesting oddities, I'm now starting to think of them as significant questions in themselves.
Well here is another interesting oddity!
When a question is posed to most of us, we feel compelled to answer it. It is as if a question is actually a demand that an answer be given.
We are trapped. We MUST answer.
No, no, no. You ALWAYS have a choice.
In a story in Winnie the Pooh, Eeyore the old grey donkey, loses his tail. When Christopher Robin finds it, the tail is acting as a bell pull for the door to Owl's hollow tree. There is also a door knocker for the door. A very wise note is found between the two: "PLES RING IF AN RNSER IS REQIRD. PLEZ CNOKE IF AN RNSR IS
NOT REQUID."
I am quite sure I heard someone "cnoking"!
Ryan.
From thinking them interesting oddities, I'm now starting to think of them as significant questions in themselves.
Well here is another interesting oddity!
When a question is posed to most of us, we feel compelled to answer it. It is as if a question is actually a demand that an answer be given.
We are trapped. We MUST answer.
No, no, no. You ALWAYS have a choice.
In a story in Winnie the Pooh, Eeyore the old grey donkey, loses his tail. When Christopher Robin finds it, the tail is acting as a bell pull for the door to Owl's hollow tree. There is also a door knocker for the door. A very wise note is found between the two: "PLES RING IF AN RNSER IS REQIRD. PLEZ CNOKE IF AN RNSR IS
NOT REQUID."
I am quite sure I heard someone "cnoking"!
Ryan.
I don't want to press "1" for English. This is America!
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
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Jester;1070009 wrote: This sounds like Marine Logic to me.:yh_rotfl
That it is buddy ... that it is!
Ryan.
That it is buddy ... that it is!
Ryan.
I don't want to press "1" for English. This is America!
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
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Jester;1069914 wrote: I disagree, you can ask if the skys falling many times, it doesnt mean the sky is falling.
Even with those unanswered questions, it proves nothing.
Ask if the sky is falling and someone will soon say no and prove it - not a difficult thing to do.
Even with those unanswered questions, it proves nothing.
Ask if the sky is falling and someone will soon say no and prove it - not a difficult thing to do.
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Touchstone;1070005 wrote: Well here is another interesting oddity!
When a question is posed to most of us, we feel compelled to answer it. It is as if a question is actually a demand that an answer be given.
We are trapped. We MUST answer.
No, no, no. You ALWAYS have a choice.
In a story in Winnie the Pooh, Eeyore the old grey donkey, loses his tail. When Christopher Robin finds it, the tail is acting as a bell pull for the door to Owl's hollow tree. There is also a door knocker for the door. A very wise note is found between the two: "PLES RING IF AN RNSER IS REQIRD. PLEZ CNOKE IF AN RNSR IS
NOT REQUID."
I am quite sure I heard someone "cnoking"!
Ryan.
When everyone chooses not to answer you do wonder why.
If, for all your cnoking, no-one answers the door even though you can see Wol's tail feathers sticking out the window then you know it's deliberate.
When a question is posed to most of us, we feel compelled to answer it. It is as if a question is actually a demand that an answer be given.
We are trapped. We MUST answer.
No, no, no. You ALWAYS have a choice.
In a story in Winnie the Pooh, Eeyore the old grey donkey, loses his tail. When Christopher Robin finds it, the tail is acting as a bell pull for the door to Owl's hollow tree. There is also a door knocker for the door. A very wise note is found between the two: "PLES RING IF AN RNSER IS REQIRD. PLEZ CNOKE IF AN RNSR IS
NOT REQUID."
I am quite sure I heard someone "cnoking"!
Ryan.
When everyone chooses not to answer you do wonder why.
If, for all your cnoking, no-one answers the door even though you can see Wol's tail feathers sticking out the window then you know it's deliberate.
Religion of Peace.
Jester;1070009 wrote: This sounds like Marine Logic to me.:yh_rotfl
What's that? Ignore the problem and hope it will go away?
Doesn't sound much like the Marines to me.
What's that? Ignore the problem and hope it will go away?
Doesn't sound much like the Marines to me.
Religion of Peace.
Jester;1069914 wrote: I disagree, you can ask if the skys falling many times, it doesnt mean the sky is falling.
Even with those unanswered questions, it proves nothing.
Why not answer the questions? That seems so much simpler than refusing to discuss them.
Even with those unanswered questions, it proves nothing.
Why not answer the questions? That seems so much simpler than refusing to discuss them.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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Jester;1070069 wrote: Bryn I hate to break it to you but the answers or non answers to Spots series of questions still don't out weigh the proponderance of the evidence that counters his conslusion. And thats the 'No ****, stupid' Marine logic that Touchstone is commenting about.
Then it should be easy to produce some of the wealth of evidence and knok him down in flames - that's normal logic.
Then it should be easy to produce some of the wealth of evidence and knok him down in flames - that's normal logic.
Religion of Peace.
Jester;1070322 wrote: Becasue with the proponderance of the rest of the evidence there no point in wasting time over it.
Ignore the alternative explanations. Why on earth was nobody reprimanded for the failure of the air defences? I'd have thought every American must have asked that. The result was a total catastrophe!
Ignore the alternative explanations. Why on earth was nobody reprimanded for the failure of the air defences? I'd have thought every American must have asked that. The result was a total catastrophe!
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Religion of Peace.
Jester;1070338 wrote: Mostly I'd say it was complacency. It's easy enough to find a scape goat, they could have if they needed to, after all this is a far reaching wild-ass conspiracy theory in the first place. Why don't you just make one up.
If it was complacency it would have happened to earlier civil air flights going off course and it didn't. Why did it just happen on this one day?
If it was complacency it would have happened to earlier civil air flights going off course and it didn't. Why did it just happen on this one day?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Jester;1070362 wrote: Who knows?
There may well be complacency involved, Jester, but it's entirely on your part. Your country has been led by traitors.
There may well be complacency involved, Jester, but it's entirely on your part. Your country has been led by traitors.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Bryn Mawr;1070035 wrote: When everyone chooses not to answer you do wonder why.
If, for all your cnoking, no-one answers the door even though you can see Wol's tail feathers sticking out the window then you know it's deliberate.
"It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.... " — Eugene Ionesco, Romanian playwright
Ryan.
If, for all your cnoking, no-one answers the door even though you can see Wol's tail feathers sticking out the window then you know it's deliberate.
"It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.... " — Eugene Ionesco, Romanian playwright
Ryan.
I don't want to press "1" for English. This is America!
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS