Jester;1072494 wrote:
I am traditional in that I expect whoever my daughter marries to be the person responsible for her well being, how they choose to do that together is thier choice, but I will hold him responsible for making sure she is cared for, I expect my boys to be responsible for thier families as well.
Agree totally. But when your daughter is old enough to marry, she will be an adult, and therefore also responsible for her own wellbeing. This is no longer a father/daughter relationship, but a husband and wife union, two equals together. You love your daughter and expect her partner to look after her in the way you have. These ideas are not mutually exclusive. I love my daughters and my son too, and expect their partners to look after them as my husband and I have. And I expect them, similarly to take responsibility for their own wellbeing, and that of their partner and children. This is how they have been brought up, in a loving Christian setting with strong family values.
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It's hard to believe that you and I can actually agree on anything, Jester - but heck, I'm with you there.
And now, it being close to midday on me day of rest, I'm heading out to catch a ferry to Manly beach, where I'm meeting the some of the fam for lunch. Bit cool to swim yet, but who knows... I might grab a wave.
:-6
And now, it being close to midday on me day of rest, I'm heading out to catch a ferry to Manly beach, where I'm meeting the some of the fam for lunch. Bit cool to swim yet, but who knows... I might grab a wave.
:-6
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
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Jester;1072302 wrote: Then again in countries like Saudi Arabia, where women's rights are extremely limited I have heard some of the more liberal people here protect and defend thier rights to keep women down. So I get a little confused sometimes about what people say here.
These are internal affairs for individual cultures to determine as they see fit. I have no desire to see the same standards applied in every culture, I don't want a monoculture determining the condition of every society on the planet, I want to defend diversity.
There are minimum standards of behaviour enforced on all countries by International agreement, such as a prohibition on Genocide and on Aggressive War. Those apply whether a country signs up for it or not.
There are treaty obligations which countries can volunteer to sign up to or not. A lot of cultural self-limitations are defined in those treaties, especially those related to equality of treatment on the basis of gender, sexuality, race and religion. Those treaties are agreed to and applied from within a culture, not imposed by compulsion or force from outside. I protect and defend the right of cultures to self-determination. I'm also, you might remember, passionately committed to open borders with no restriction on the movement of any individual from one country to another. That's a built-in part of my position on cultural self-determination, they go together.
These are internal affairs for individual cultures to determine as they see fit. I have no desire to see the same standards applied in every culture, I don't want a monoculture determining the condition of every society on the planet, I want to defend diversity.
There are minimum standards of behaviour enforced on all countries by International agreement, such as a prohibition on Genocide and on Aggressive War. Those apply whether a country signs up for it or not.
There are treaty obligations which countries can volunteer to sign up to or not. A lot of cultural self-limitations are defined in those treaties, especially those related to equality of treatment on the basis of gender, sexuality, race and religion. Those treaties are agreed to and applied from within a culture, not imposed by compulsion or force from outside. I protect and defend the right of cultures to self-determination. I'm also, you might remember, passionately committed to open borders with no restriction on the movement of any individual from one country to another. That's a built-in part of my position on cultural self-determination, they go together.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1072871 wrote: These are internal affairs for individual cultures to determine as they see fit. I have no desire to see the same standards applied in every culture, I don't want a monoculture determining the condition of every society on the planet, I want to defend diversity.
There are minimum standards of behaviour enforced on all countries by International agreement, such as a prohibition on Genocide and on Aggressive War. Those apply whether a country signs up for it or not.
There are treaty obligations which countries can volunteer to sign up to or not. A lot of cultural self-limitations are defined in those treaties, especially those related to equality of treatment on the basis of gender, sexuality, race and religion. Those treaties are agreed to and applied from within a culture, not imposed by compulsion or force from outside. I protect and defend the right of cultures to self-determination. I'm also, you might remember, passionately committed to open borders with no restriction on the movement of any individual from one country to another. That's a built-in part of my position on cultural self-determination, they go together.
I guess it's very nice to have the luxury of a neat, male philosophical viewpoint. Hard to disagree with what you say. I'm just very glad I'm not a woman imprisoned in a culture which won't permit me any time soon to move freely, let alone take my kids and cross a border.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/book-reviews ... 29624.html
"This month, three books by three women describe the violent suppression that affected not just their own lives but the lives of hundreds of millions of women like them."
There are minimum standards of behaviour enforced on all countries by International agreement, such as a prohibition on Genocide and on Aggressive War. Those apply whether a country signs up for it or not.
There are treaty obligations which countries can volunteer to sign up to or not. A lot of cultural self-limitations are defined in those treaties, especially those related to equality of treatment on the basis of gender, sexuality, race and religion. Those treaties are agreed to and applied from within a culture, not imposed by compulsion or force from outside. I protect and defend the right of cultures to self-determination. I'm also, you might remember, passionately committed to open borders with no restriction on the movement of any individual from one country to another. That's a built-in part of my position on cultural self-determination, they go together.
I guess it's very nice to have the luxury of a neat, male philosophical viewpoint. Hard to disagree with what you say. I'm just very glad I'm not a woman imprisoned in a culture which won't permit me any time soon to move freely, let alone take my kids and cross a border.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/book-reviews ... 29624.html
"This month, three books by three women describe the violent suppression that affected not just their own lives but the lives of hundreds of millions of women like them."
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Betty Boop;1070544 wrote: The university campus I am on is small, the male lecturers are equal in number to the females at the moment and the ones at the top are females - yaaaay! :wah:
What I found interesting is that the younger students, ie the 18 year olds fresh from A levels believe we are now living within an equal society. They cannot see that women are often doing the same job as men and getting paid less. As far as they are concerned we no longer need feminism as the jobs been done. These girls have all come from comfortable and well off families though, I wonder if they had come from the working classes would they hold the same view.
When I was a production manager I was paid the same as my two male counterparts. All the hourly paid people were paid the same - male and female. The only reason to pay someone in a comparable job more money was on merit after their excellence was identified through appraisals.
In general things are much better but there is still discrimination everywhere.......sex, race, religion, age etc. Some peoples 'mind sets' will never be changed despite discussion and education....'tis a shame !
What I found interesting is that the younger students, ie the 18 year olds fresh from A levels believe we are now living within an equal society. They cannot see that women are often doing the same job as men and getting paid less. As far as they are concerned we no longer need feminism as the jobs been done. These girls have all come from comfortable and well off families though, I wonder if they had come from the working classes would they hold the same view.
When I was a production manager I was paid the same as my two male counterparts. All the hourly paid people were paid the same - male and female. The only reason to pay someone in a comparable job more money was on merit after their excellence was identified through appraisals.
In general things are much better but there is still discrimination everywhere.......sex, race, religion, age etc. Some peoples 'mind sets' will never be changed despite discussion and education....'tis a shame !
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AussiePam;1073316 wrote: I guess it's very nice to have the luxury of a neat, male philosophical viewpoint. Hard to disagree with what you say. I'm just very glad I'm not a woman imprisoned in a culture which won't permit me any time soon to move freely, let alone take my kids and cross a border.
Infidel; Murder In Amsterdam; In The Name of Honour; Shame - Book Reviews
"This month, three books by three women describe the violent suppression that affected not just their own lives but the lives of hundreds of millions of women like them."
It is difficult when dealing with an entire culture. The thing is to find the real point of view of the women. But if they don't know anything else, would they be able to form a view.
We know that they are oppressed and the ones who live here know that they are oppressed.
But then, look at Africa. That continent appears to thrive on corruption. I don't think anything we do can ever have any effect or make anything better there.
Infidel; Murder In Amsterdam; In The Name of Honour; Shame - Book Reviews
"This month, three books by three women describe the violent suppression that affected not just their own lives but the lives of hundreds of millions of women like them."
It is difficult when dealing with an entire culture. The thing is to find the real point of view of the women. But if they don't know anything else, would they be able to form a view.
We know that they are oppressed and the ones who live here know that they are oppressed.
But then, look at Africa. That continent appears to thrive on corruption. I don't think anything we do can ever have any effect or make anything better there.
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AussiePam;1073316 wrote: I guess it's very nice to have the luxury of a neat, male philosophical viewpoint. Hard to disagree with what you say. I'm just very glad I'm not a woman imprisoned in a culture which won't permit me any time soon to move freely, let alone take my kids and cross a border.
Infidel; Murder In Amsterdam; In The Name of Honour; Shame - Book Reviews
"This month, three books by three women describe the violent suppression that affected not just their own lives but the lives of hundreds of millions of women like them."
I hate that vile practice. Ever since I first came across it as a young man, it has made me want to be sick and rake my face.
Infidel; Murder In Amsterdam; In The Name of Honour; Shame - Book Reviews
"This month, three books by three women describe the violent suppression that affected not just their own lives but the lives of hundreds of millions of women like them."
I hate that vile practice. Ever since I first came across it as a young man, it has made me want to be sick and rake my face.
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spot;1071873 wrote: I think one can have a dual goal for equality of race, religion, gender and sexuality and that both can be directly measurable.
1. An equality of aspiration in any field - politics, administration, running private enterprise, flying airliners, writing novels. If you can find a field in which the aspiration to achieve differs by race or by gender or by religion or by sexuality then you have evidence of discrimination and a target for improvement.
2. An equality of achievement in each of those fields by each of those groups.
A lack of one influences the success of the other. If there's no equality of achievement then aspiration will diminish. If there's no equality of aspiration then achievement will diminish. Both need working on. Once both are established then equality exists.
Unless the difference in aspiration or achievement can be shown to be explainable by physical, biological differences or by personal preference.
Given that there are definable differences between the sexes it is not unreasonable to expect that there could be differences in aspiration or achievement resulting from those differences.
Similarly for the biological differences in the body make-up.
Whilst I agree that current preference is mostly culturally driven I would suggest that the physical fact that the woman carries the child to term and the emotional differences that causes will result in a difference in preference that will last for as long as children are brought up in a family environment rather than in a communal crèche.
1. An equality of aspiration in any field - politics, administration, running private enterprise, flying airliners, writing novels. If you can find a field in which the aspiration to achieve differs by race or by gender or by religion or by sexuality then you have evidence of discrimination and a target for improvement.
2. An equality of achievement in each of those fields by each of those groups.
A lack of one influences the success of the other. If there's no equality of achievement then aspiration will diminish. If there's no equality of aspiration then achievement will diminish. Both need working on. Once both are established then equality exists.
Unless the difference in aspiration or achievement can be shown to be explainable by physical, biological differences or by personal preference.
Given that there are definable differences between the sexes it is not unreasonable to expect that there could be differences in aspiration or achievement resulting from those differences.
Similarly for the biological differences in the body make-up.
Whilst I agree that current preference is mostly culturally driven I would suggest that the physical fact that the woman carries the child to term and the emotional differences that causes will result in a difference in preference that will last for as long as children are brought up in a family environment rather than in a communal crèche.
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Jester, the "minimum standards of behaviour enforced on all countries by International agreement" are obviously only enforced by war - and I include sanctions as a form of war here - and only ever by the International community as a whole. Not, you'll notice, by any one country nor yet by any one alliance of countries. It's what the United Nations is for. The only prohibitions that are covered this way are against Genocide and against Aggressive War. Everything else is by treaty, and every treaty can be signed up to and signed out of. The Geneva Conventions, for example, are international treaty law.
Bryn Mawr;1073646 wrote: Whilst I agree that current preference is mostly culturally driven I would suggest that the physical fact that the woman carries the child to term and the emotional differences that causes will result in a difference in preference that will last for as long as children are brought up in a family environment rather than in a communal crèche.
A better argument couldn't be found for the state confiscating all children at birth and raising them in communal facilities, though I can think of quite a few more and none against the notion.
Bryn Mawr;1073646 wrote: Whilst I agree that current preference is mostly culturally driven I would suggest that the physical fact that the woman carries the child to term and the emotional differences that causes will result in a difference in preference that will last for as long as children are brought up in a family environment rather than in a communal crèche.
A better argument couldn't be found for the state confiscating all children at birth and raising them in communal facilities, though I can think of quite a few more and none against the notion.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Men are from Mars Women are from Venus,need I say more.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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Betty Boop;1070535 wrote: Do you consider yourself a 'feminist' ??
Do we need to continue to fight for equal rights anymore, are we all treated equally nowadays?
Getting back to the OP - my response at that point was
While so many of our sisters are not free to leave their houses, get an education, work in paid employment, make decisions for themselves and their children, have equal access to the law, share political power etc - we all need to fight on.
I reiterate this. It was a question asked by a woman, and I responded as a woman. Fighting ideas of oppression with education and ideas of liberty was what I had in mind, and not giving up till our sisters (wherever they live) are permitted to have aspirations and the freedom to work towards achieving them, in the same way as their male countrymen.
Do we need to continue to fight for equal rights anymore, are we all treated equally nowadays?
Getting back to the OP - my response at that point was
While so many of our sisters are not free to leave their houses, get an education, work in paid employment, make decisions for themselves and their children, have equal access to the law, share political power etc - we all need to fight on.
I reiterate this. It was a question asked by a woman, and I responded as a woman. Fighting ideas of oppression with education and ideas of liberty was what I had in mind, and not giving up till our sisters (wherever they live) are permitted to have aspirations and the freedom to work towards achieving them, in the same way as their male countrymen.
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
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AussiePam;1073759 wrote: Getting back to the OP - my response at that point was
While so many of our sisters are not free to leave their houses, get an education, work in paid employment, make decisions for themselves and their children, have equal access to the law, share political power etc - we all need to fight on.
I reiterate this. It was a question asked by a woman, and I responded as a woman. Fighting ideas of oppression with education and ideas of liberty was what I had in mind, and not giving up till our sisters (wherever they live) are permitted to have aspirations and the freedom to work towards achieving them, in the same way as their male countrymen.
I wholeheartedly agree....my own post reflected my own personal experience but world- wide my experience is very , very, rare
While so many of our sisters are not free to leave their houses, get an education, work in paid employment, make decisions for themselves and their children, have equal access to the law, share political power etc - we all need to fight on.
I reiterate this. It was a question asked by a woman, and I responded as a woman. Fighting ideas of oppression with education and ideas of liberty was what I had in mind, and not giving up till our sisters (wherever they live) are permitted to have aspirations and the freedom to work towards achieving them, in the same way as their male countrymen.
I wholeheartedly agree....my own post reflected my own personal experience but world- wide my experience is very , very, rare
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AussiePam;1073759 wrote: I reiterate this. It was a question asked by a woman, and I responded as a woman. Fighting ideas of oppression with education and ideas of liberty was what I had in mind, and not giving up till our sisters (wherever they live) are permitted to have aspirations and the freedom to work towards achieving them, in the same way as their male countrymen.
Cultures change over time. The view you're putting forward now was known, just, at the end of the 18th century in Britain, but it was howled down both by the establishment and by most women of the time. The Vindication Of The Rights Of Women was published but it was scarcely mainstream. Nowadays it is in some parts but not in others - fundamentalist Christianity in the USA is doing all it can to push the Genie back into the bottle and re-invent 18th century subservience of the Lesser Sex all over again.
What matters isn't to bring all cultures to the same level at the same moment, it's to retain the advances in one while allowing others to build their own future. If it's achieved from inside a culture it's a victory, if it's from outside it's imperialism.
Cultures change over time. The view you're putting forward now was known, just, at the end of the 18th century in Britain, but it was howled down both by the establishment and by most women of the time. The Vindication Of The Rights Of Women was published but it was scarcely mainstream. Nowadays it is in some parts but not in others - fundamentalist Christianity in the USA is doing all it can to push the Genie back into the bottle and re-invent 18th century subservience of the Lesser Sex all over again.
What matters isn't to bring all cultures to the same level at the same moment, it's to retain the advances in one while allowing others to build their own future. If it's achieved from inside a culture it's a victory, if it's from outside it's imperialism.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Oooooh finally some of the younger generations are standing up to be counted as feminists.
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My time at uni worried me as most of the girls were just not bothered, being of the opinion that it had all been done. One even went so far as to say that when she qualified as a primary school teacher she didn't care if a male counterpart within the same school as her, doing the exact same job received a bigger salary than her! I was horrified and told her to just go and lay on the floor now :rolleyes:
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My time at uni worried me as most of the girls were just not bothered, being of the opinion that it had all been done. One even went so far as to say that when she qualified as a primary school teacher she didn't care if a male counterpart within the same school as her, doing the exact same job received a bigger salary than her! I was horrified and told her to just go and lay on the floor now :rolleyes:
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I would say I am an equalist event though it is not a word I believe dividing people up in to separate groups will never create equality for the whole that goes with
Man vs woman
Black vs white vs latin vs asian
short vs tall
rich vs poor
Christian vs Jew vs Muslim vs Hindu vs Buddhist
American vs British vs Canadian vs Australian vs Chinese vs Japanese vs ................................................. insert country of origing here _________________
Man vs woman
Black vs white vs latin vs asian
short vs tall
rich vs poor
Christian vs Jew vs Muslim vs Hindu vs Buddhist
American vs British vs Canadian vs Australian vs Chinese vs Japanese vs ................................................. insert country of origing here _________________
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When we separate in to these groups we do so to detach from the whole so in order to keep our detached group alive. We make reasons why our group needs more than others, until we can see another group as a part of the one we are in they will never be equally deserving of the resources dignity respect and kindness that those inside our groups are.
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Feminist is deservedly a nasty name. I started out as one until I realized that many of my comrades were either men haters or women who had no idea what men have to endure in their life course. Feminists quite often assume men are the lucky half and we just have to get them to let women in. Then women find out they have to change their nature to be one of the boys and they actually become the worse part of men with the cruellest part of woman remaining to get ahead in the "world of men". We asked men to become more sensitive then cringed or laughed at them when they did it. We still think they should die to save women but we want women to be allowed in the army so we look just as tough. At a distance, we still expect the women to come home and hope the men afield die to save them.
We've royally ****ed up relationships by messing with ideas of men and women being the same. I'm a man in a woman's body but I'm still a woman. I don't like bullshit, I can manipulate the **** out of you but I choose not to, I think everyone is full of crap and making themselves more confused and it's not because we don't know what men and women are, it's because we think we know what society is.
I'm not a feminist. I'm into real life.
We've royally ****ed up relationships by messing with ideas of men and women being the same. I'm a man in a woman's body but I'm still a woman. I don't like bullshit, I can manipulate the **** out of you but I choose not to, I think everyone is full of crap and making themselves more confused and it's not because we don't know what men and women are, it's because we think we know what society is.
I'm not a feminist. I'm into real life.
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I was chatting to a work colleague yesterday, not about feminism but about sickness pay. We agreed that major improvements have taken place over the years. We also agreed that some people seem to think that they are "entitled" to so many sick days per year regardless of whether they are actually ill, hence ridiculing the original reasons for improving sickness pay. And so the rules for sickness have been tightened to tackle these attitudes. These rules have to apply to everyone and so the majority are affected because of the actions of a few. Those who are geunuinely ill are constantly worried that their sickness record will escalate whilst those who see sick days as a perk rush to HR with a basketful of complaints about discrimination etc etc should anyone dare to question the validity of their sickness.
We then started looking at other aspects of life...health and safety, political correctness, human rights. We agreed that the introduction of certain legislation had improved our lives.
But the problem is that we don't seem to know when to stop and we lose sight of our original intentions! We go way over the top until the issue becomes ridiculous, and then people begin to rebel against it. And, for me, this has happened to feminism too. Women's rights have improved significantly over the years but, in the process, some people want to introduce such extreme measures that a lot of people become disinterested or thoroughly fed up at the mention of it.
We then started looking at other aspects of life...health and safety, political correctness, human rights. We agreed that the introduction of certain legislation had improved our lives.
But the problem is that we don't seem to know when to stop and we lose sight of our original intentions! We go way over the top until the issue becomes ridiculous, and then people begin to rebel against it. And, for me, this has happened to feminism too. Women's rights have improved significantly over the years but, in the process, some people want to introduce such extreme measures that a lot of people become disinterested or thoroughly fed up at the mention of it.
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Women's rights have improved significantly over the years but, in the process, some people want to introduce such extreme measures that a lot of people become disinterested or thoroughly fed up at the mention of it.
Hi theia. What kind of extreme measures?
Hi theia. What kind of extreme measures?
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AnneBoleyn;1391165 wrote: Hi theia. What kind of extreme measures?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lrous.html for example
I've just tested this link and it won't work for me...the theme of the article is that it is sexist rather than chivalrous for a man to hold open a door for a woman.
ETA Link fixed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lrous.html for example
I've just tested this link and it won't work for me...the theme of the article is that it is sexist rather than chivalrous for a man to hold open a door for a woman.
ETA Link fixed
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theia;1391174 wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rous.htmlr for example
I've just tested this link and it won't work for me...the theme of the article is that it is sexist rather than chivalrous for a man to hold open a door for a woman.
Link didn't work for me, either.
Is there any punishment for a man to hold a door, i.e. if he does it at work? That's so bizarre, as it is stopping one human from being kind to another one. Besides, didn't we do this argument in the 1970's? Haven't we moved beyond this?
I've just tested this link and it won't work for me...the theme of the article is that it is sexist rather than chivalrous for a man to hold open a door for a woman.
Link didn't work for me, either.
Is there any punishment for a man to hold a door, i.e. if he does it at work? That's so bizarre, as it is stopping one human from being kind to another one. Besides, didn't we do this argument in the 1970's? Haven't we moved beyond this?
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AnneBoleyn;1391196 wrote: Link didn't work for me, either.
Is there any punishment for a man to hold a door, i.e. if he does it at work? That's so bizarre, as it is stopping one human from being kind to another one. Besides, didn't we do this argument in the 1970's? Haven't we moved beyond this?
I think we did...but this article is from 2011
I don't know if there is a penalty or not, although some perhaps would like to go down that route.
On reflection, Anne, I didn't really mean "extreme measures." I meant to say more along the lines of taking things to an extreme, so forgive me for misleading you...I do that sometimes
Hey, Bryn fixed the link! Thank you, Bryn
Is there any punishment for a man to hold a door, i.e. if he does it at work? That's so bizarre, as it is stopping one human from being kind to another one. Besides, didn't we do this argument in the 1970's? Haven't we moved beyond this?
I think we did...but this article is from 2011
I don't know if there is a penalty or not, although some perhaps would like to go down that route.
On reflection, Anne, I didn't really mean "extreme measures." I meant to say more along the lines of taking things to an extreme, so forgive me for misleading you...I do that sometimes
Hey, Bryn fixed the link! Thank you, Bryn
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I still can't connect to the link, but I'll try later.
I'm sure you don't deliberately mislead people!
PS--it works! :yh_worshp Hail Bryn!
I'm sure you don't deliberately mislead people!
PS--it works! :yh_worshp Hail Bryn!
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Okay, read it. As I asked, didn't we do this argument in the 1970's? 15 June 2011 must have been a slow news day. As for carrying packages, men naturally have more upper arm strength so let them do the schlepping! 
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If there were repercussions for opening a door for women I would be in jail for life.
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YZGI;1391260 wrote: If there were repercussions for opening a door for women I would be in jail for life.
I have no problem with a man opening the door for me, and they do quite often. But I have on many occasion if I see a older woman coming my way I will hold the door for her too. I know of a man who held a door for a woman once and she tried to get snippy, saying......did you do that because I'm a woman?.......his reply was no I did that because I'm a gentleman.
I have no problem with a man opening the door for me, and they do quite often.
But I have on many occasion if I see a older woman coming my way I will hold the door for her too. I know of a man who held a door for a woman once and she tried to get snippy, saying......did you do that because I'm a woman?.......his reply was no I did that because I'm a gentleman. Feminists
Hope6;1392222 wrote: I have no problem with a man opening the door for me, and they do quite often. But I have on many occasion if I see a older woman coming my way I will hold the door for her too. I know of a man who held a door for a woman once and she tried to get snippy, saying......did you do that because I'm a woman?.......his reply was no I did that because I'm a gentleman.
Had about the same thing happen to me once. I opened the door and the woman said, Do you think I needed that? I said: Nope but I did.
But I have on many occasion if I see a older woman coming my way I will hold the door for her too. I know of a man who held a door for a woman once and she tried to get snippy, saying......did you do that because I'm a woman?.......his reply was no I did that because I'm a gentleman. Had about the same thing happen to me once. I opened the door and the woman said, Do you think I needed that? I said: Nope but I did.
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YZGI;1392225 wrote: Had about the same thing happen to me once. I opened the door and the woman said, Do you think I needed that? I said: Nope but I did.
You can open a door for me any day. If "gentlemen" is not the right word, "nice person" certainly is.
You can open a door for me any day. If "gentlemen" is not the right word, "nice person" certainly is.
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AnneBoleyn;1392229 wrote: You can open a door for me any day. If "gentlemen" is not the right word, "nice person" certainly is.
It would be my pleasure.
It would be my pleasure.
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YZGI;1392225 wrote: Had about the same thing happen to me once. I opened the door and the woman said, Do you think I needed that? I said: Nope but I did.
Good for you! I guess I'm no feminist but I see nothing wrong with it.
Good for you!
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I open doors and give my seat up for anyone I think may need it . regardless of gender. That's what feminism is .
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Betty Boop;1070535 wrote: Do you consider yourself a 'feminist' ??
Do we need to continue to fight for equal rights anymore, are we all treated equally nowadays?
We are all females. We become males if we have this attachment ( penile ). & I wonder why the third eye is called the pineal gland. :wah:
Do we need to continue to fight for equal rights anymore, are we all treated equally nowadays?
We are all females. We become males if we have this attachment ( penile ). & I wonder why the third eye is called the pineal gland. :wah:
Om namo bagavate vasudevaya, " God is the Cause of All causes."
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fuzzywuzzy;1392268 wrote: I open doors and give my seat up for anyone I think may need it . regardless of gender. That's what feminism is .
:-6
:-6
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YZGI;1392225 wrote: Had about the same thing happen to me once. I opened the door and the woman said, Do you think I needed that? I said: Nope but I did.I would have winked and said: "no, I'm just a Hoochie Coochie Man."
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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fuzzywuzzy;1392268 wrote: I open doors and give my seat up for anyone I think may need it . regardless of gender. That's what feminism is .
I bet you do.
I bet you do.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Ahso!;1392370 wrote: I bet you do.I'm joking, of course.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Ahso!;1392369 wrote: I would have winked and said: "no, I'm just a Hoochie Coochie Man."
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Ahso!;1392371 wrote: I'm joking, of course.
Well that's silly of you . Goes to prove you dont know how I was raised.
Well that's silly of you . Goes to prove you dont know how I was raised.