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Kathy Ellen;1112387 wrote: :wah::wah::wah: Watch out....you never know:p


trust me, they know nothing!:sneaky::yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

I don't pay attention to politics of any kind. *shrug* I've mentioned before that I don't really care to watch news programs either because in *my* opinion they are full of sensationalized crap and fluff. I can get a quick synopsis of what's going on around the country and world on my MSN homepage and that's enough information for me.

Lately, there has been threads such as 'Don't mention the war' or 'Stop the anti-Americanism' etc. I have to confess i added the thread 'Don't mention the 'don't mention the war thread' to join in with the silliness.

The threads posted by Jimbo, i believe were an honest attempt to clear the matter up. I added my post in sarcasm to jimbo's posts.

Firstly, the thing that surprises me, is that if any American believe's we are anti-America, then why post on the thread? If you are that offended, why add to the thread that provokes further response?

I don't know if i'm the only British one here, but i am getting a little fed up with the over-sensitivity that is then a reversed guilt trip only to make the British feel bad because we dare to critise the American policy or government, exactly the same as we critise our very own government.

If any American doubts this, you should start to have a look at British political threads and actually see what Panto-Andy, galbally, gmc, Chookie, My-self, Carolly etc etc say about our own government and way of life in Britain. For one, we constantly mock our own people but most threads on British politics end in a bitch-slapping as none of us agree on our own politics. We regually insult each other directly but we know that although our opposing political views may differ, we have the greatest of affection for each other. This is the part that Americans seem to miss. You think that if we have a joke at Bush's expense, it's a direct insult on you personally.

Some of you have stated that your worried about posting because of the anti-Americanism. Well, some of us are worried about expressing their honest views for fear of being accused of being anti-American.

I see posts from some who state they have had enough and will not be posting any-more only to see they have posted again a page later.

My husband is watching a documentary right now about the **** up America made in Somalia in 1993..... He must be anti-American.

I think when they say anti-american and we say we cant see these threads well me personally I think its when the debates start and the non americans start saying YOU did this, YOU elected him YOU need to do this that and the other. Now if people slated Gordon Brown id cheer along but slate me for him being in office if he had been elected of course:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: then id take it personally as its not ONE individuals problem but a nations and not everyone in that nation agrees with everything their government has done.

Also its like when they talk about war, I read non Americans telling Americans what they need to do about the war, and I read posts like, well when you remove your troops and do this that and the other... as if FG members can make those decisions

Also lately it seems to me like we are having politics rammed down our throat on here, every thread turns out speaking about Obama, Brown or the War....Its bloody boring people...

Like Cyndi Lauper....FG justs wants to have fun:D

jimbo;1113232 wrote: thats what i cant get my head round i have never seen even one post anti american people

maybe one where someone said they were the fattest nation on earth ,i sat by my pc waiting for everyone to ask if i was american :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

if someone posts they hate the war that BOTH our armies are fighting ,how the hell do people get that its an anti american post



i hate the war ,but i support our troops and want them home safe and sound i have been best friends with some of them for over 30 years :-6:-6


Because my large bald one..... We have the ability to say it as it is without getting offfended. Frankly, American foriegn policy has historically been a subject of critism world wide and not just from the British. Scotland was found to be the 2nd most obese nation in the world. Do you see gmc or chookie rising up and claiming their feelings are hurt?...... No. Ireland has historically been the butt of world wide mirth...... Do you see galbally, Mikie or pinkchick claiming their feelings are hurt when i call gallbladder a Leprechaun?..... No.

Why post in a thread that is supposed to be anti-American?

Chezzie;1113243 wrote: I think when they say anti-american and we say we cant see these threads well me personally I think its when the debates start and the non americans start saying YOU did this, YOU elected him YOU need to do this that and the other. Now if people slated Gordon Brown id cheer along but slate me for him being in office if he had been elected of course:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: then id take it personally as its not ONE individuals problem but a nations and not everyone in that nation agrees with everything their government has done.

Also its like when they talk about war, I read non Americans telling Americans what they need to do about the war, and I read posts like, well when you remove your troops and do this that and the other... as if FG members can make those decisions

Also lately it seems to me like we are having politics rammed down our throat on here, every thread turns out speaking about Obama, Brown or the War....Its bloody boring people...

Like Cyndi Lauper....FG justs wants to have fun:D


If political threads bore you silly, then why look at them?

If you just want to have fun and not actually care that Israel has murdered innocent Palistinian children, then post your own light-hearted threads for the people who don't care. I'm sure the one's who do care as to what is happening in The Middle East or Iraq or what Gordon Brown has done, will stick to those threads.

A forum this size has enough threads for everyone with every taste.

oscar;1113248 wrote: If political threads bore you silly, then why look at them?

If you just want to have fun and not actually care that Israel has murdered innocent Palistinian children, then post your own light-hearted threads for the people who don't care. I'm sure the one's who do care as to what is happening in The Middle East or Iraq or what Gordon Brown has done, will stick to those threads.

A forum this size has enough threads for everyone with every taste.


Have you seen me post in those threads? I dont, I stay well clear but I probably would post my opinion if I felt I could post it without being asked to back up my opinion and post links and generally made to feel like a second class citizen.

I do care ALOT about politics and what's going on in the world and that comment off you was below the belt, I have no idea why but you shouldn't assume what I care and dont care about, just because I don't bang on about stuff doesn't mean I dont care however I DONT use this forum for politics, I use it for fun. That is my prerogative, like any other member here, I can post were I like and as long as I stay on topic and i'm not insulting, I should be able to post what I like.

I rarely go into the political threads unless its with a mod hat on.

I do however protest at threads that weren't originally started about politics or war ending being just about that.

jimbo;1113283 wrote: if only you knew how much it worried me when you appear to talk logic :-3:-3:-3


Please accept my sincere apologies. Oscar has not had her medication nor read The daily Mail to day. I will take the prescribed dose and normal service of wittering in-coherently will shortly resume.

Maybe it's because we have so much going on in our country that it's all we can focus on. I know we can have access to other country info if we are so inclined, but with our economy, housing markets, bailouts, etc... it's really hard to be interested in other country news.

jimbo;1113587 wrote: i know what you mean shellhead



but maybe if you looked at what else is going on in the world we are really not doing so bad :-6:-6


How do we look at what's going on in the world? We have all this crap going on in our country and the rest of our energy is focused on FG. :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Jester;1113674 wrote: Yes, you are anti american, you are anti bush and you are anti intervention of any kind by the US unless it happens to agree with your boy gordon brown.

You're gonna slag the US if we comment or not- then Jimbo's gonna come right in and make a joke of it, then you two will go back and forth with a few others chiming in here and there to join the fun and its sheer goading and VERY tiresome- If I say nothing it just goes on and on, if I post on the thread it grows worse.

Ignoring it angers me and commenting makes it worse.

Every thread I come unto is anti american or it leans that way.

And every other thread about the threads that are anti american are a joke about you brits not being truly anti american but explaining your british humor or calling us Yanks over sensitive, heck you even got some of us Yanks calling ourselves that!

And I can say nothing either way- if I report the post it goes to the chiefest of anti-americans Sir Spot???

Even posting this will get my name mentioned on three other threads in 'Jest'.

I'd like to enjoy a decent discussion without defending my country at the core then work out from there. I cannot do that here.

And lest any of you think Im joking in any form or using sarcasm in any way I am not- I am serious.


You are not alone Jester.

I go to the bathroom for five minutes, come back and find some joker has posted a thread on 'Don't mention Gordon Brown' incase Oscar throws a tantrum.

Where i have the advantage over you, is that i am meeting the joker face to face in a week in London. Let's see him joke with three broken legs.

I have the greatest of affection for you my gunslinger but unfortunately not for your foriegn policy.

jimbo;1113679 wrote: believe me when i say i hate gordon and tony b liar as much as i do bush

what gordon has done to the country is criminal honest it is ,one bank lost 70% of its value today :-5:-5

gordie boy cant keep going on about a world problem ,all this stupid idiotic risk taking by the banks happened on his watch :-5:-5



http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/gener ... hread.html


There you go again finding the silliest of things to moan about Gordon :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Jester;1113693 wrote: The defense rests-

Accountable was right on the money- I gave it my 6 months as a sunscriber, tomorrow is my last day.



My email is the same folks and I wont close my PM box- I'll be back to use the arcade, at least there no one can make it anti american. (gosh now that I said that I'm sure Spot will find a way).


Another poor Jester post to get the masses begging you not to leave.

I give up on you!

Do events in the U.S. affect the rest of the world?

In the past they have. Our economy drove the world economy. In the last few years I think it has been less so.

I for one watch News casts from Germany and the UK but I couldn't tell anyone who was who except for the Prime minister of England. Sorry. On the other hand I probably wouldn't get half the dignatraries of the U.S. either.

Sorry to drag this tread back on topic.

Carry on with the off topic bickering.:yh_rotfl

Jester;1113698 wrote: Don't care for beggin and I dont want sympathy I'm just tellin it like it is and how I feel.


Jester, it's getting stupid. You've got Jumbo posting threads trying to convince everyone we are not Anti-American. You've got people treading on eggshells in fear of posting what they think of current events in the USA. We are seemingly cconstantly having to re-assure US members that we really do love them and it's only Dubya we loathe with a passion. yet you continue to take a swipe here and there at Spot.

Well, i don't give a **** any more. I am not going to spend the rest of my days trying to convince you that you are a respected and well liked member.

If you don't believe it, then that's up to you. I for one are not going to try to convince you of something you refuse to see.

double helix;1113699 wrote: Do events in the U.S. affect the rest of the world?

In the past they have. Our economy drove the world economy. In the last few years I think it has been less so.

I for one watch News casts from Germany and the UK but I couldn't tell anyone who was who except for the Prime minister of England. Sorry. On the other hand I probably wouldn't get half the dignatraries of the U.S. either.

Sorry to drag this tread back on topic.

Carry on with the off topic bickering.:yh_rotfl


Thankyou.

Most British folk have little idea of who the deputy Prime Minister is also. That's because most British have the historically renowned 'head in sand' approach to life.

It's only when Germany are gathering in their masses about to invade, do they wake up and see what's really happening in the world. (OR we're playing Germany in the World cup).

oscar;1113694 wrote: Another poor Jester post to get the masses begging you not to leave.



I give up on you.






This is a disgusting thing to say to Jester:mad::-5

Jester, I am so sorry....this really sucks:mad::mad:

Kathy Ellen;1113713 wrote: This is a disgusting thing to say to Jester:mad::-5


Yes it is Kathy. I am sick of watching Jester take pots at Spot, play the sympathy card over and over and yet refuse to believe anyone when they try to tell him that they are not attacking American's personally when they dare to dis-agree with USA foriegn policy.

I am not the only brit sick of it. I am the only one however that has the balls to say it.

oscar;1113717 wrote: Yes it is Kathy. I am sick of watching Jester take pots at Spot, play the sympathy card over and over and yet refuse to believe anyone when they try to tell him that they are not attacking American's personally when they dare to dis-agree with USA foriegn policy.

I am not the only brit sick of it. I am the only one however that has the balls to say it.




And I'm sick of the attitudes here Oscar. This used to be a lovely place to come and spend time...It was like my 2nd home.



Now, all this place is a battle ground.



Jester has always been a respectable member here and still it....

If you look around, I think that you'll see many, many Americans feel so unwelcome here lately.

Kathy Ellen;1113719 wrote: And I'm sick of the attitudes here Oscar. This used to be a lovely place to come and spend time...It was like my 2nd home.



Now, all this place is a battle ground.



Jester has always been a respectable member here and still it....

If you look around, I think that you'll see many, many Americans feel so unwelcome here lately.


I'll say it for the last time............. I have made many friends here from the US and Australia that i genuinely care for wnd would not deliberately hurt the feelings of.

I have travelled to the US and there are many aspects of America that i envy and love.

But i can not keep on pandering to what is becoming more and more like a spoilt five year old.

I don't post most of the threads on US current affairs. I comment on them.

The British have become increasingly nervous about posting any critisism of US policy for fear of it being seen as a personal attack on the character of the member.

It does not help having Jimbo posting threads such as 'No more anti-Americanism' as it's bound to stir members in becoming patriotic.

Jester;1113732 wrote: Forget it Kath,

The few brits who keep on the AA stuff don't see themselves as AA- They think they are just critical/or its biting sarcastic humor. They don't see or understand that sarcasms root is to 'gnaw on someones bones'.

They don't see it and they won't see it and thats the shame of the place right now.

If I fight it- I just get accused of being overly sensitive. I hung in a long time. I came back for the good discussions knowing they can be pretty tough, usually respectfful though, and thats whats changed. If I say nothing I feel like a doormat if I say something I bring discord to the garden and ruin everybodys day.

This is as 'no win' as it gets.


Your still her though ;););)

Jester;1113732 wrote: Forget it Kath,



The few brits who keep on the AA stuff don't see themselves as AA- They think they are just critical/or its biting sarcastic humor. They don't see or understand that sarcasms root is to 'gnaw on someones bones'.



They don't see it and they won't see it and thats the shame of the place right now.



If I fight it- I just get accused of being overly sensitive. I hung in a long time. I came back for the good discussions knowing they can be pretty tough, usually respectfful though, and thats whats changed. If I say nothing I feel like a doormat if I say something I bring discord to the garden and ruin everybodys day.



This is as 'no win' as it gets.




I agree with you Jester. I don't think that we'll ever understand each other here. I am just speechless right now:mad: I think that I will join you in the arcade. What happened to those days when we looked forward to coming into FG...those days are gone now:-3

Jester;1113732 wrote: Forget it Kath,

The few brits who keep on the AA stuff don't see themselves as AA- They think they are just critical/or its biting sarcastic humor. They don't see or understand that sarcasms root is to 'gnaw on someones bones'.

They don't see it and they won't see it and thats the shame of the place right now.

If I fight it- I just get accused of being overly sensitive. I hung in a long time. I came back for the good discussions knowing they can be pretty tough, usually respectfful though, and thats whats changed. If I say nothing I feel like a doormat if I say something I bring discord to the garden and ruin everybodys day.

This is as 'no win' as it gets.


For Jester

YouTube - Michael Jackson "Man in the Mirror"

Jester;1113754 wrote: I never said I was gonna leave Oscar, I said Im not going to waste my time trying to post on AA threads- and since very few threads aen't AA, I said I will probably be in the arcade when I come here.



You asked why americans dont post on british threads, Im answering why I, as an american, don't post on british threads- because the moment we do it turns into a bash fest or you start to turn it into a some kind of AA joke- In fact some threads that have nothing to do with politics get a slam or to agaisnt america.



You indicated earlier that your tired of 'holding back' as a brit for fear of offending an american- I find it unbelievable, given the number of slams coming from you that you're holding back.



Oscar give me one good reason why I should put up with the way a few of you brits look down on america? What possible positive thing could I take from hearing how terrible america is at every thread I open?



I dont think you or anyone else should have to curb what you say, but I do think you should be very careful HOW you say it and what you make fun of in the process. I'm not a real sensitive guy, seriously Im not, if its so bad that I notice it- its BAD.



This is an unfriendly place to americans. Like it or not Oscar, thats the ugly truth and it's not just me, ya see like you I got the gonads to speak up. But it's not going to do any good. It's too late. It is what it is, the garden has always reflected its members and the majority of heavy thread starters and posters are anti-american whether they realize it or not.



Just look how many americans dont post or have left- or only poke thier head in to add to the threds that discuss whetherthe previous post was anti-american or not.



And thats really all I can say in the matter, and I'm not mad right now, just talking matter of factly.






Well said Jester....I feel the same way....Think I should just stick to the Foc and Pubnutter threads:p

oscar;1113704 wrote: Thankyou.

Most British folk have little idea of who the deputy Prime Minister is also. That's because most British have the historically renowned 'head in sand' approach to life.

It's only when Germany are gathering in their masses about to invade, do they wake up and see what's really happening in the world. (OR we're playing Germany in the World cup). :wah: Well, I for one am not afraid to have a little heated discussion. Nor am I worried about admitting how uninformed I can be. I like FG. Such a diversity of people here. Who cares if some admin has a wild hair up their you know what. There are plenty of other places to hang out until restrictions, if any get applied, are lifted. Caged Rage, Your Home Forum, Unexplained Mysteries (my fave of late) just to name a few. Heck, Pizza Delivery forum is great too.:driving:

But really people, these are all just web sites on the internet. There is nothing in the world like the real 1:1 interaction deal.:-3

double helix;1113768 wrote: :wah: Well, I for one am not afraid to have a little heated discussion. Nor am I worried about admitting how uninformed I can be. I like FG. Such a diversity of people here. Who cares if some admin has a wild hair up their you know what. There are plenty of other places to hang out until restrictions, if any get applied, are lifted. Caged Rage, Your Home Forum, Unexplained Mysteries (my fave of late) just to name a few. Heck, Pizza Delivery forum is great too.:driving:



But really people, these are all just web sites on the internet. There is nothing in the world like the real 1:1 interaction deal.:-3


Many members here are friends in real life DH....We have friendships that mean something to us....I want to hang out in FG because this is where my friends are. There's no place as good as FG until lately. But hopefully things will change.



What's Unexplained Mysteries Pizza is good:wah:

Not with anchovies....................:wah:

Jester;1113758 wrote: I cant open that file so let me know what you meant this as:

1. personal insult

2. a chance for any kind of reconciliation

3. yer a stupid ass jester shut the hell up

That ought to cover it... let me know.


If you can't get the link (maybe it's a network thing) then do you know the words to this song?

chonsigirl;1113775 wrote: Not with anchovies....................:wah:


:yh_rotfl Oh, I hate anchovies.....slimy, little fish

I don't like that they are looking at you when you eat the pizza......:wah:

Kathy Ellen;1113779 wrote: :yh_rotfl Oh, I hate anchovies.....slimy, little fish


There you go again, bringing British politicians into the topic :yh_rotfl

There are people who just do not know when to stop, back off, be silent, take time out. It's difficult to tell if they insensitive to everyone else's feeling because they are just thick, or whether they act out of calculated unpleasantness. Those of you whom the cap fits -please give the rest of us a break!!

chonsigirl;1113781 wrote: I don't like that they are looking at you when you eat the pizza......:wah:


It's funny Chonsi.....I won't eat mushrooms either. But, then I will eat something yummy and love the taste.....But, I still cannot eat fungus and fishes

AussiePam;1113788 wrote: There are people who just do not know when to stop, back off, be silent, take time out. It's difficult to tell if they insensitive to everyone else's feeling because they are just thick, or whether they act out of calculated unpleasantness. Those of you whom the cap fits -please give the rest of us a break!!


I think i have just read the same post

Good!