are the BNP to blame ???

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:44 am

Clodhopper;1205362 wrote: Oh no. Not again. Didn't you look at the panorama webpage I posted that showed the BNP organiser for NI had been convicted for petrol bombing? The BNP are violent thugs with an evil agenda. One or two of their policies are designed to appeal to disaffected working class voters. Just like the Nazis. When times are bad, it works. Times are bad. It is working.

I have to agree

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:46 am

kazalala;1205520 wrote: I have to agree

i will see your i agree and will raise to what a great post i totally agree

:)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:34 am

farmer giles;1205443 wrote: i dont care if there are a few spoonfull of sugar in their vile racist medicine they are vile racist ...nice of you to change your picture to a fox maybe waesel would be more fitting though unfair to weasels :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

and as far as i'm concerned the only wrong it's round here are you and that vile BNP :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Exactly as i predicted, you won't or can not answer the questions put to you. It's hardly a debate then is it? It is a thread designed by you purely yo spout your hatred for Griffin. Why did you not just start a thread called 'Nick Griffin is a Bastard?' I also suspect you have no idea of the hypocrisy that you are offering up when voters like you reverve morons such as Cameron.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:44 am

Fyrenza;1205428 wrote: There's a web site i use for U.S. politics, On-The-Issues dot com, that goes into an in-depth list of information on each of our elected and campaigning-to-be-elected officials.

Do y'all have any sites like that which you use? I have just actually joined a new forum last week about politics. I've just been reading the threads so far but it looks quite heavy. It also appears to have a huge amount of members who really speak their mind. I do enjoy reading about US politics..... perhaps you can send me the address of the forum in a PM and i'll have a look.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:47 am

oscar;1205586 wrote: Exactly as i predicted, you won't or can not answer the questions put to you. It's hardly a debate then is it? It is a thread designed by you purely yo spout your hatred for Griffin. Why did you not just start a thread called 'Nick Griffin is a Bastard?' I also suspect you have no idea of the hypocrisy that you are offering up when voters like you reverve morons such as Cameron.

debate ???

how can any one debate with someone so entrenched in their veiws they are incapable of seeing reason

remember the gordon brown thing everyone saying what a loser he was but you in the end you saw sense and jumped ship like a rat leaving a sinking one :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

i have proved that the bnp are racists i need do no more

debate why would i want to do that they are racists end of debate ,anything else they stand for matters not :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:10 am

farmer giles;1205624 wrote: debate ???

how can any one debate with someone so entrenched in their veiws they are incapable of seeing reason

remember the gordon brown thing everyone saying what a loser he was but you in the end you saw sense and jumped ship like a rat leaving a sinking one :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

i have proved that the bnp are racists i need do no more

debate why would i want to do that they are racists end of debate ,anything else they stand for matters not :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
How have you proved that the BNP are racist? You started a thread with an attack on Romanians in Ireland and asked if the BNP were to balme. It was pointed out to you very early on that Combat 18 who may have carried out the attack are not tied to the BNP, yet you just keep spouting the same old predictable slogans. Prove to me that every member of the BNP is racist and then i'll take you seriously. The same way as you inanly added 'IRA or the Real IRA in a previous post. Are you suggesting then that the MP 'Gerry Adams' is still linked to The Real IRA attrocities shown in NI some months ago when British troops were shot?

I have proved to you that Cameron our potential next PM is a funder of the UAF who's thugs attacked Griffin last week and carried out a vicious attack on a BNO member with a hammer. That's called guilt by association. If you are accussing anybody who dis-agree's with mass immigration of being a racist, then that includes everyone who voted for UKIP. You really have no argument except what you think you've learned from a geezer down the pub who's got a BNP gold badge.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:30 am

As far as i can see Oscar,, there is a little bit of difference between the UKIP and the BNP. Yes they both disagree with mass immigration, but in different ways, and want to cope with it in dfferent ways,, and also they have different reasons. yes a lot of people have the sense to see we have to start getting some proper control over immigration and thats what UKIP, and other parties want to do ,,UKIP are not saying though that it should be altogether stopped, they are saying certain controls and rules about it should be brought in,, they are also not sayiing all people of a different race already here should be "helped" to go back home.

I do understand your point of all political parties being entitled to the same respect etc. and the same rules either for or against, as in letting them have freedom of speech, and allowing them to be in public without having to have eggs thrown at them. I still however hold the same opinion as i always did about the BNP. yes, ALL BNP member may not be racist, but in my opinion their leader and a good many other important members are and they are not the type of people i would like to have as the leader of a party i supported.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:41 am

kazalala;1205650 wrote: As far as i can see Oscar,, there is a little bit of difference between the UKIP and the BNP. Yes they both disagree with mass immigration, but in different ways, and want to cope with it in dfferent ways,, and also they have different reasons. yes a lot of people have the sense to see we have to start getting some proper control over immigration and thats what UKIP, and other parties want to do ,,UKIP are not saying though that it should be altogether stopped, they are saying certain controls and rules about it should be brought in,, they are also not sayiing all people of a different race already here should be "helped" to go back home.

I do understand your point of all political parties being entitled to the same respect etc. and the same rules either for or against, as in letting them have freedom of speech, and allowing them to be in public without having to have eggs thrown at them. I still however hold the same opinion as i always did about the BNP. yes, ALL BNP member may not be racist, but in my opinion their leader and a good many other important members are and they are not the type of people i would like to have as the leader of a party i supported.
I have to say that your posts are a joy and i respect the fact that you can see both sides without just quoting inane slogans without predujice. Now we back to what this forum is about..... which is suppossed to be a tool to debate sensibly.

I agree that there are without doubt rascist members of the BNP. Their roots are in the National Front and many hard core members made the switch to BNP when John Tyndall founded the BNP as a splinter of the National Front in 1982. We are talking about nearly 30 years ago now and no-one can assume that the BNP are ALL rascist in this day and age the same as we can not assume that anyone who voted for Gerry Adams MP is a closet IRA member and supporter.

I had some gumph from the BNP in the post recently where Griffin talked of immigrants having to embrace the British way of life if they want to stay here. I'll try to find it and post his words. It goes against what many believe is the BNP policy to just deport every Johnny Foriegner.

I don't know if you saw it but i posted a link early on in this thread about the Labour government proposing to offer a lump sum to third world immigrants to re-settle in their own country. The exact same prosposal as the BNP. Labour propose it and it's a ' bloody good idea', the BNP proposed it and were called rascist. It's these double standards that pisse me off.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:52 am

oscar;1205660 wrote: I have to say that your posts are a joy and i respect the fact that you can see both sides without just quoting inane slogans without predujice. Now we back to what this forum is about..... which is suppossed to be a tool to debate sensibly.

I agree that there are without doubt rascist members of the BNP. Their roots are in the National Front and many hard core members made the switch to BNP when John Tyndall founded the BNP as a splinter of the National Front in 1982. We are talking about nearly 30 years ago now and no-one can assume that the BNP are ALL rascist in this day and age the same as we can not assume that anyone who voted for Gerry Adams MP is a closet IRA member and supporter.

I had some gumph from the BNP in the post recently where Griffin talked of immigrants having to embrace the British way of life if they want to stay here. I'll try to find it and post his words. It goes against what many believe is the BNP policy to just deport every Johnny Foriegner.

I don't know if you saw it but i posted a link early on in this thread about the Labour government proposing to offer a lump sum to third world immigrants to re-settle in their own country. The exact same prosposal as the BNP. Labour propose it and it's a ' bloody good idea', the BNP proposed it and were called rascist. It's these double standards that pisse me off.

yes. I still dont like him ,, or them:sneaky::-5 I dont trust him as far as i could throw him and believe me that aint far, i throw like a girl:D Oscar i cant be bothered to go trawling round the threads or googling all over again,, but you and i know i have put up a lot of links and posts on other threads about this ( and some of them from BNP own websites, showing what BNP want to do about immigration,, and no matter what you or he says its always there somewhere,, they dont want people of a different race here at all.

what do you think of this Oscar,,, i havent actually tried to find out if it is indeed true or not:-2

The BNP VS The truth - mirror.co.uk

At a recent World Cup, the BNP refused to support the England football team because it had black players. The BNP does not believe that any black or Asian person can ever be British. BNP leader Nick Griffin branded the brave Gurkhas "mercenaries" who should not be allowed to come and live in Britain.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:18 am

kazalala;1205667 wrote: yes. I still dont like him ,, or them:sneaky::-5 I dont trust him as far as i could throw him and believe me that aint far, i throw like a girl:D Oscar i cant be bothered to go trawling round the threads or googling all over again,, but you and i know i have put up a lot of links and posts on other threads about this ( and some of them from BNP own websites, showing what BNP want to do about immigration,, and no matter what you or he says its always there somewhere,, they dont want people of a different race here at all.

what do you think of this Oscar,,, i havent actually tried to find out if it is indeed true or not:-2

The BNP VS The truth - mirror.co.uk
I have to go out to look after the take-away for a few hours with all it's muslim staff :sneaky::sneaky: but i will look when i get home. So don't think i'm agnoring your post is i didn't reply. I do know that Griffins comments on the Ghurka's was heavilly edited for the tabloids. I have seen his full comments in writing and part of which he said was that the Ghurka's were treated badly by the British army in way of pay and were not given the financial option of re-settling in Nepal. Catch yer laters

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:28 am

oscar;1205681 wrote: I have to go out to look after the take-away for a few hours with all it's muslim staff :sneaky::sneaky: but i will look when i get home. So don't think i'm agnoring your post is i didn't reply. I do know that Griffins comments on the Ghurka's was heavilly edited for the tabloids. I have seen his full comments in writing and part of which he said was that the Ghurka's were treated badly by the British army in way of pay and were not given the financial option of re-settling in Nepal. Catch yer laters

ok enjoy ye kebab:D ,, they were not fighting for options of how to live or where to settle,, they were fighting solely for the right to live here!

Also ,, something else i keep meaning to ask you. If The UAF and whoever else,, tories, labour, media,, etc. are trying to discredit the BNP (unfairly in your opinion). Why??? and if its cos of wanting to pull out of EU then why dont they start on UKIP and other small parties in the same vein?? I think the BNP have the image they have through their own fault, actions, and words.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:26 pm

kazalala;1205692 wrote: ok enjoy ye kebab:D ,, they were not fighting for options of how to live or where to settle,, they were fighting solely for the right to live here!

Also ,, something else i keep meaning to ask you. If The UAF and whoever else,, tories, labour, media,, etc. are trying to discredit the BNP (unfairly in your opinion). Why??? and if its cos of wanting to pull out of EU then why dont they start on UKIP and other small parties in the same vein?? I think the BNP have the image they have through their own fault, actions, and words.

I did enjoy my kebab mate in a quite liderlly chilli saucemungus type way

Get back to your question in the morning mate as it's late now and of course all in the name of charideeeeeeeeeeee

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:43 am

oscar;1205848 wrote: I did enjoy my kebab mate in a quite liderlly chilli saucemungus type way

Get back to your question in the morning mate as it's late now and of course all in the name of charideeeeeeeeeeee

i hope it never gave you heartburn assuming you have one :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:21 am

kazalala;1205692 wrote: ok enjoy ye kebab:D ,, they were not fighting for options of how to live or where to settle,, they were fighting solely for the right to live here!

Also ,, something else i keep meaning to ask you. If The UAF and whoever else,, tories, labour, media,, etc. are trying to discredit the BNP (unfairly in your opinion). Why??? and if its cos of wanting to pull out of EU then why dont they start on UKIP and other small parties in the same vein?? I think the BNP have the image they have through their own fault, actions, and words.

This is a good idea of the kind of propoganda i'm talking about in smear campaigns against the BNP:

Unite Against Fascism - stopping the rise of the BNP and the extreme right

I have not been able to find one piece of evidence or a statement from anyone to suggest that the BNP had anything to do with the attack in Belfast yet here are the UAF using this attack as a tool to attack the BNP. (surely this is libel?) Yet a statement has been made by the BNP that denies any involvement in the attack as i much suspected.

Irish News: NEWS: BNP blames immigrants

In answer to your question...... the government is equally worried about the stealth being made by UKIP as well as the BNP. Ten years ago our politicians were quite safe in the knowledge that if they were Labour or Tory, chances were, they'd always have a job as the voters would go one way or the other. They would either have a job in government or as shadow. The roots being in the National Front led them to believe that only hardcore rascits would vote for them. Ten years ago, i don't think anyone believed that the BNP would ever become mainstream. To me, the UAF seemed to have gathered momentum the more council seats the BNP were gaining. I think it goes back to the days of Oswald Mosley's Blackshirt movement that was considered fascist and even the days of Enoch Powell in the 60's. They seem to have some bizzarre notion that should the BNP get into power, they will begin ethnically cleansing un-indiginous races which is a complete contrradiction as Griffin is a Holocaust denier. Also the smear campaigns by the UAF were very much designed to stop Griffin getting elected into the European Parliment. I had a letter written by Griffin in the campaign that had gone out in it's masses so it's most likely other MP's got hold of it. He stated that if elected he would do everything in his power to disrupt the EU.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:52 am

Nope ,, still not got an answer:rolleyes: I dont know why i keep wasting my time on this issue,, im never going to change my mind,, you are never going to change yours,, and i am only giving you a stage to keep campaigning for them, so i think i will stop:sneaky:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:56 am

kazalala;1206094 wrote: Nope ,, still not got an answer:rolleyes: I dont know why i keep wasting my time on this issue,, im never going to change my mind,, you are never going to change yours,, and i am only giving you a stage to keep campaigning for them, so i think i will stop:sneaky:

I am actually not campaigning for them. As i have said before, i's the hypocrisy of our government in effect trying to tell us who we can and can't vote for. It's the whole UAF hypocrisy that makes me defend certain aspects of the BNP. I have not said i even support them or any party. The truth of it is, i abstained from voting this time round.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:09 am

oscar;1206096 wrote: I am actually not campaigning for them. As i have said before, i's the hypocrisy of our government in effect trying to tell us who we can and can't vote for. It's the whole UAF hypocrisy that makes me defend certain aspects of the BNP. I have not said i even support them or any party. The truth of it is, i abstained from voting this time round.

well if you didnt vote then you have no right to moan:sneaky:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:43 am

kazalala;1206102 wrote: well if you didnt vote then you have no right to moan:sneaky:

I'm what you call 'a floating voter' at the moment :wah: I just think that they are all as bad as each other. I do actually respect Griffin's honesty is a nazifabulous type way. At least he says what he thinks and there's no hidden surprises with him. With the shower we have in mainstream parties, we all distrust the lot of them to do what they say.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:43 am

bnp not racist my bald ass :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

YouTube - BNP + Nazi Terrorism

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:47 am

oscar;1206116 wrote: I'm what you call 'a floating voter' at the moment :wah: I just think that they are all as bad as each other. I do actually respect Griffin's honesty is a nazifabulous type way. At least he says what he thinks and there's no hidden surprises with him. With the shower we have in mainstream parties, we all distrust the lot of them to do what they say.

I dont think he says nearly half of what he thinks

:sneaky:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:52 am

kazalala;1206118 wrote: I dont think he says nearly half of what he thinks

:sneaky: I'm in no doubt your right. He seems to have moderated some of his bile of late, no doubt to get elected. However, i still say he is probably the most honest politician we have got however much some folk are offended by him. I said it before on another thread but after years of bumph from Labour in the post, I have never read anything written so much from the heart in his letters.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:53 am

the reason that there is no point arguing the to and thro with racists a lot of what this guy says makes a lot of sense

:):)

YouTube - WHAT RACIST PEOPLE & HATERS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW.. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED BEFORE YOU WATCH THIS.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:57 am

oscar;1206119 wrote: I'm in no doubt your right. He seems to have moderated some of his bile of late, no doubt to get elected. However, i still say he is probably the most honest politician we have got however much some folk are offended by him. I said it before on another thread but after years of bumph from Labour in the post, I have never read anything written so much from the heart in his letters.

nope

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:20 am

the people who started the BNP

YouTube - The Nazi who founded the BNP (BNP)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:30 am

kazalala;1206123 wrote: nope

:wah: UKIP has strong opposition to mass immigration..... how do we know that Nigel Farage is not keeping anything back and delivers moderate speeches waiting for the day UKIP take power of the country?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:25 am

oscar;1206119 wrote: He seems to have moderated some of his bile of late, no doubt to get elected. However.........................................................................I still say he is probably the most honest politician we have got however much some folk are offended by him.

Have you not contradicted yourself ?

How can he moderate his bile .....and....be honest?

He is not even being honest to his own principles.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:36 am

oscar;1206119 wrote: I'm in no doubt your right. He seems to have moderated some of his bile of late, no doubt to get elected. However, i still say he is probably the most honest politician we have got however much some folk are offended by him. I said it before on another thread but after years of bumph from Labour in the post, I have never read anything written so much from the heart in his letters.

He's just toned it down in the hope nobody notices how vile he is. Its not from his heart it's from is arse

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:40 am

Snowfire;1206160 wrote: He's just toned it down in the hope nobody notices how vile he is. Its not from his heart it's from is arse

*snort*:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:43 am

Snowfire;1206160 wrote: He's just toned it down in the hope nobody notices how vile he is. Its not from his heart it's from is arse

BNP =bum narrating party maybe

:)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:51 am

Bruv;1206150 wrote: Have you not contradicted yourself ?

How can he moderate his bile .....and....be honest?

He is not even being honest to his own principles.
I suppose it's the difference between what he says publicy and what he sends out to members or prospective members. I see you point though Bruv.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:53 am

oscar;1206189 wrote: I suppose it's the difference between what he says publicy and what he sends out to members or prospective members. I see you point though Bruv.

*thud* ,, kaz fainting

:) anyway i think you are slightly sloping dont you?:sneaky:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:34 am

kazalala;1206191 wrote: *thud* ,, kaz fainting

:) anyway i think you are slightly sloping dont you?:sneaky:

You know me too well Kaz...... I indeed love a good slope....... infact i've broken my husbands written contract tonight by sloping off home so he can look after the take-away :wah:

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:50 pm

oscar;1206116 wrote: I'm what you call 'a floating voter' at the moment :wah: I just think that they are all as bad as each other. I do actually respect Griffin's honesty is a nazifabulous type way. At least he says what he thinks and there's no hidden surprises with him. With the shower we have in mainstream parties, we all distrust the lot of them to do what they say.

i think nearly every one thinks BNP voters are floaters :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Fyrenza · Post by **Fyrenza** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:29 pm

kazalala;1206102 wrote: well if you didnt vote then you have no right to moan:sneaky:

Actually, usual voters choosing NOT to cast a ballot sends a pretty clear message that NONE of the candidates are suitable...

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:54 pm

Fyrenza;1206324 wrote: Actually, usual voters choosing NOT to cast a ballot sends a pretty clear message that NONE of the candidates are suitable...Spot on there my friend

:)

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:47 am

oscar;1205586 wrote: Exactly as i predicted, you won't or can not answer the questions put to you. It's hardly a debate then is it? It is a thread designed by you purely yo spout your hatred for Griffin. Why did you not just start a thread called 'Nick Griffin is a Bastard?' I also suspect you have no idea of the hypocrisy that you are offering up when voters like you reverve morons such as Cameron.

maybe i will :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:00 pm

farmer giles;1209084 wrote: maybe i will :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Have i missed something here? What exactly is your point of resurrecting yet another old thread when you vehemently deny on other threads that you are trolling and baiting me?

I'm seeing a pattern here and i'm sure many others are.

Dispite the fact that i cancelled my labour party membership over a year ago, you assumed that i supported the Labour party because in the past i have defended Gordon Brown and find him quite shaggable. We spent months of you deliberately putting threads on about GB to wind me up. Now, because i recently expressed that i was against mass immigration, you assume i support the BNP. If i start wearing cordroy, will you assume that i support the Liberal Democrats?

If you want to become the wit of the year, may i suggest that you study under the great gmc for a while who's level of bandiage is in a master class of it's own.

God, i hope he doesn't read that...... he may think i like him.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:05 pm

you just posted , that i posted a thread to annoy you

here you told me to do just that

if i posted a siggy with hitler on it and someone posted that hitler was a racist ,and i spent ages saying he was not ,then said i did not like hitler ... tell you what lets just say goodye good luck and ignore each other it will be better for everyone if we do ..bye :-6