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spot;1209303 wrote: Take a guess at something for me. Do you suppose his financial estate will turn out to be in debt when it's all balanced up for distribution, or do you suppose he's left something? Can the lawsuit proceed in his absence? If not, yes, i think after selling everything off, there could be something. His personal effects alone are going to be hunted in auctions and e bay. I guess, it depends how heavilly in debt he was..... no-one seems to have an idea of the exact figure do they?

oscar;1209306 wrote: Can the lawsuit proceed in his absence? If not, yes, i think after selling everything off, there could be something. His personal effects alone are going to be hunted in auctions and e bay. I guess, it depends how heavilly in debt he was..... no-one seems to have an idea of the exact figure do they?


And what do we propose as the message on his gravestone?

Here's my attempt: "He Wanted To Be Liked".

Someone on the BBC just compared him to Diana.

Betty Boop;1209300 wrote: I'm a shrugger too.

Another well respected lady also died today, one that had not been accused of molesting children nor behaving oddly at any time in her lifetime, yet her death has not brought so much interest.

Why should Jackson take so much precedence over Farrah Fawcett!


I did mention Farah Fawcett in an earlier post but didn't go on about her as that might have been seen as derailing a thread about the Peter Pan of Pop.

The vulture mentality has struck.... so I'll leave you to it and go do some work... makes a change at least from the usual evils of the west etc

spot;1209308 wrote: And what do we propose as the message on his gravestone?

Here's my attempt: "He Wanted To Be Liked". I think for all his money and fame, he was a very sad individual. I never believed the child molestation accusations. I believed more that he had a very child like mind desperate for love.

Why should he not be compared to Dianna.? She had a talent and so did he. Both were loved worldwide.

,,,:-2

I am very saddened at his passing:( I loved his music and thought he was a brillant entertainer....

Well one thing.....hopefully his Children can now maybe live a more normal life.I know they will always be hounded by the press but after he swung his baby from that window it told me something about his mental state and IMO he should never have had those Children but there again Millions of Dollars were involved which bought them basically.

Whether I liked him or not, does not matter. A family has lost their son, father, brother, etc. In a perfect world, the media would leave them alone to grieve. I don't feel any more sad, or any less sad for his family as I do for Farrah's or Ed McMahon's.

He was one of a kind extremely talented his troubled life most likely lead to his death what a shame. His music will be with us forever his songs were incredible may this man/child now rest in peace.

Peg;1209357 wrote: Whether I liked him or not, does not matter. A family has lost their son, father, brother, etc. In a perfect world, the media would leave them alone to grieve. I don't feel any more sad, or any less sad for his family as I do for Farrah's or Ed McMahon's.
Mr O has always refered to him as 'a flawed genious'. When anyone in the public eye passes so suddenly, it's a shock. We all lose people every day and i always remember a favourite comic of mine during one of his routines saying 'Diana died. My father died and no-one gave a shyte'. I remember thinking how very true. MJ had a unique talent that millions loved. I do hope the press will leave the family alone.

oscar;1209182 wrote: Gosh.... i do hope he's ok. He's an icon in Mr O's eyes.




Peter Lake and I are so over !

spot;1209245 wrote: At least he'll not be bombing any more unarmed civilians on the Pakistan border.




Is that code for sleeping with children in Never Never Land ?

Nomad;1209372 wrote: Peter Lake and I are so over ! Good..... i was concerned.

I just finished watching Larry King Live at 9pm EST.

Everyone around the world is in a state of shock for the King of Pop, the one who made video's what they are today.

They showed several of his greatest videos, and people spoke of him extremely high.

It bothered me that they showed the helicopter leaving the hospital with his body inside, as it flew to the Coroners office for a autopsy. As far as they know he did have a heart attack, but what caused it?

What really hit hard was when it landed and the coroners truck backed up to the helicopter, took out the medic-bed on wheels and showed his body covered in hospital sheets from the helicopter onto the coroners vehicle.

Jermaine had spoken briefly that in hopes the media will leave his family alone to grieve.

A family correspondence had said that Nicole Kidman's problems were little compared to Micheal's.



-Time will tell, I feel for these people, as they suffer so much and need the help of drugs etc.



...drugs are a powering means of escaping life, and its so unfortunate that there are not enough people to really help them.

and sometimes, problems cannot even be solved with help from others.



rest in peace, Michael, you were the King!:yh_brokeh:yh_pray



one of my favorites:

Nicole Kidman has problems ?

That concerns me.

How can I help ?

I agree with Bill. I have no idea why the death of a celebrity is any more sad than the death of Joe Blow somewhere up the street. So many people die every day.

The only sad thing is that so many people make it their business to care so much about perfect strangers just because they sing or can be found on celluloid somewhere. Leave the mourning to those who actually knew the person. How can you shed tears for a stranger without shedding endless tears for everyone else you don't know that just died?

koan;1209404 wrote: I agree with Bill. I have no idea why the death of a celebrity is any more sad than the death of Joe Blow somewhere up the street. So many people die every day.

The only sad thing is that so many people make it their business to care so much about perfect strangers just because they sing or can be found on celluloid somewhere. Leave the mourning to those who actually knew the person. How can you shed tears for a stranger without shedding endless tears for everyone else you don't know that just died?


I don't know Joe Blow.

I have mourned being to 24 funerals......yup, 24.......and it does not get any easier.:-5:-5

so never tell me I haven't suffered and mourned.



When you have grown up with one of your favorite singers, actors, actresses etc.....you do tend to care........if you cared in the first place.

koan;1209404 wrote: I agree with Bill. I have no idea why the death of a celebrity is any more sad than the death of Joe Blow somewhere up the street. So many people die every day.



The only sad thing is that so many people make it their business to care so much about perfect strangers just because they sing or can be found on celluloid somewhere. Leave the mourning to those who actually knew the person. How can you shed tears for a stranger without shedding endless tears for everyone else you don't know that just died?


May I ask Koan why you think that people cry more for celebrities than Joe Blow?



Why should I not mourn for a celebrity that I appreciated?

Which memory will be the lasting one.. his music or his bizzare lifestyle and possible child abuse?

Odie;1209406 wrote: I don't know Joe Blow.

I have mourned being to 24 funerals......yup, 24.......and it does not get any easier.:-5:-5

so never tell me I haven't suffered and mourned.



When you have grown up with one of your favorite singers, actors, actresses etc.....you do tend to care........if you cared in the first place.
You have this way of totally missing the point.

I didn't tell you you haven't suffered. I didn't even imply it. I'd wager you knew the 24 people you attended funerals for.

I didn't just grow up with music and movies punctuating moments of my life, I worked with celebrities so I kind of know how they feel about it too.

Kathy Ellen;1209408 wrote: May I ask Koan why you think that people cry more for celebrities than Joe Blow?



Why should I not mourn for a celebrity that I appreciated?


Because if I tell someone my neighbour died of cancer people express Hallmark sympathy. If I tell them Farah died of cancer they get emotional.

Go ahead, mourn. I'm just expressing my opinion on the matter.

koan;1209404 wrote: I agree with Bill. I have no idea why the death of a celebrity is any more sad than the death of Joe Blow somewhere up the street. So many people die every day.



The only sad thing is that so many people make it their business to care so much about perfect strangers just because they sing or can be found on celluloid somewhere. Leave the mourning to those who actually knew the person. How can you shed tears for a stranger without shedding endless tears for everyone else you don't know that just died?


You're joking right? He was my first major crush in life. He was shy and endearing and he sang to me. And Thriller? Please:rolleyes:



People mourn what he was to them and the reference marks he left in their lives, the memories that he evokes.. I'm sad for the loss of a young boy who gave me hope and dreams again, if only in my head and heart.



You don't have to know him. I didn't know him in the past several years. But when someone captures your heart and dreams, even if only for a moment - it's natural to mourn their passing.

Thriller is awesome. Did you see him in The Wiz, Floppy?

Nomad;1209375 wrote: Is that code for sleeping with children in Never Never Land ?Oh how I love you :wah:

Victoria;1209417 wrote: Which memory will be the lasting one.. his music or his bizzare lifestyle and possible child abuse?


i have to say for me it was not his music

if my 48 year old brother got 8 year old boys drunk in his bed then paid hush money i would go round his house and punch his freaking head in then disown him as a pervert

its funny the very people who say an eye for an eye and shout shoot the ripper or hang the pedo



suddenly can turn a blind eye coz some weirdo can sing and dance

koan;1209404 wrote: I agree with Bill. I have no idea why the death of a celebrity is any more sad than the death of Joe Blow somewhere up the street. So many people die every day.

The only sad thing is that so many people make it their business to care so much about perfect strangers just because they sing or can be found on celluloid somewhere. Leave the mourning to those who actually knew the person. How can you shed tears for a stranger without shedding endless tears for everyone else you don't know that just died?


Hi Koan :-4

Aint seen you for ages, how are you girl?

farmer giles;1209446 wrote: i have to say for me it was not his music



if my 48 year old brother got 8 year old boys drunk in his bed then paid hush money i would go round his house and punch his freaking head in then disown him as a pervert



its funny the very people who say an eye for an eye and shout shoot the ripper or hang the pedo





suddenly can turn a blind eye coz some weirdo can sing and dance
How true!

When someone dies the highest praise you can give them is to hold the same opinion of them that you did when they were alive.

abbey;1209450 wrote: How true!

When someone dies the highest praise you can give them is to hold the same opinion of them that you did when they were alive.


for fear of upsetting the double standard hang all pedo's but i love michael jackson lot i'll refrain from adding my thoughts which have not changed in the slightest since he has died



is it ok to start a thread with mj jokes on it yet :sneaky::sneaky:

koan;1209420 wrote: You have this way of totally missing the point.

I didn't tell you you haven't suffered. I didn't even imply it. I'd wager you knew the 24 people you attended funerals for.

I didn't just grow up with music and movies punctuating moments of my life, I worked with celebrities so I kind of know how they feel about it too.







Because if I tell someone my neighbour died of cancer people express Hallmark sympathy. If I tell them Farah died of cancer they get emotional.



Go ahead, mourn. I'm just expressing my opinion on the matter.


I understand why people get emotional. They may not know them but theyve made a personal connection through the way the celebrity has made them feel. Music is a powerful source of energy, many songs Ive heard equate to moments or periods in my life that may be also emotionally charged. It seems natural to feel connected with the source of the music because theyve effected you.

Or growing up with a movie star that brought enjoyment may be a nostalgic experience. Nostalgia is kind of like re-visiting parts of your life. Its probably more about the way they made you feel through the years than true mourning. In some instances many people may never make that connection in real life with real people.

Make sense ?

flopstock;1209427 wrote: You're joking right? He was my first major crush in life. He was shy and endearing and he sang to me. And Thriller? Please:rolleyes:



People mourn what he was to them and the reference marks he left in their lives, the memories that he evokes.. I'm sad for the loss of a young boy who gave me hope and dreams again, if only in my head and heart.



You don't have to know him. I didn't know him in the past several years. But when someone captures your heart and dreams, even if only for a moment - it's natural to mourn their passing. I agree with you on everything here.

It's difficult ot explain but remember that MJ music spanned 30 years. We grew up on him and many of his songs stir memories in real life. They always will. When you have played a guy's music for 30 years, that's a huge part of your life and if anyone has ever seen him live as Mr O has on several occassions, you will know just how genious he was.

I have sat up all night listening to the tributes and i think it was 'P Diddy' who said 'MJ made me FEEL the beat' and i can identify with that. For one man to make people FEEL that beat is a truely awesome talent and genious.

koan;1209420 wrote: You have this way of totally missing the point.

I didn't tell you you haven't suffered. I didn't even imply it. I'd wager you knew the 24 people you attended funerals for.

I didn't just grow up with music and movies punctuating moments of my life, I worked with celebrities so I kind of know how they feel about it too.






go ahead, make me a wager, I don't lie, first was my father, my aunt and uncle, my sister-in-laws father, my FIL, my best friends mom, my neighbours, two of them, friends of friends, distant relatives, relatives in Scotland, not sure why I am even giving you this somewhat list as it my life and its personal!:mad:

believe what you want, as I really don't care, as far as Michael Jackson, you should have read my post last night.

It's okay to care for the ones you loose, whether its family or a celebrity you grew up with.

Nomad;1209488 wrote: I understand why people get emotional. They may not know them but theyve made a personal connection through the way the celebrity has made them feel. Music is a powerful source of energy, many songs Ive heard equate to moments or periods in my life that may be also emotionally charged. It seems natural to feel connected with the source of the music because theyve effected you.

Or growing up with a movie star that brought enjoyment may be a nostalgic experience. Nostalgia is kind of like re-visiting parts of your life. Its probably more about the way they made you feel through the years than true mourning. In some instances many people may never make that connection in real life with real people.

Make sense ?


That makes sense to me.

Zapata;1209546 wrote: That makes sense to me.


Me too!

spot;1209288 wrote: There we are. The BBC says it too now.


They're a bit like British Rail. They may be late but they get there in the end. :wah:

Opinions people opinions, you are all allowed your opinions on how you feel about the death of somebody, nobody is right, nobody is wrong....

Share your grief with those who share your feelings, but don't berate those who see things in a different light.

Well said Minks..

[QUOTE]Opinions people opinions, you are all allowed your opinions on how you feel about the death of somebody, nobody is right, nobody is wrong....

Share your grief with those who share your feelings, but don't berate those who see things in a different light.[/QUOTE]

spot;1209303 wrote: Take a guess at something for me. Do you suppose his financial estate will turn out to be in debt when it's all balanced up for distribution, or do you suppose he's left something?


oscar;1209306 wrote: Can the lawsuit proceed in his absence? If not, yes, i think after selling everything off, there could be something. His personal effects alone are going to be hunted in auctions and e bay. I guess, it depends how heavilly in debt he was..... no-one seems to have an idea of the exact figure do they?


No, I don't think a lawsuit can progress once one party has died. As you say, his clothes, possessions and property will be sold off and his estate will still be collecting royalties, so I imagine his kids will be okay.



Unmasked: Michael Jackson and his two oldest children Prince and Paris walk through a car park at a Los Angeles studio


Unmasked: A rare glimpse of Michael Jacksons' kids faces as they visit a recording studio | Mail Online

spot;1209308 wrote: And what do we propose as the message on his gravestone?

Here's my attempt: "He Wanted To Be Liked".

Someone on the BBC just compared him to Diana.


I think the worldwide grief in the next week will resemble the week following Diana's death. I think they'll be singing, prayers and candlelit vigils outside his current home and outside Neverland and any other places associated with him.

While I personally, belong to the camp, in regards to MJ, I was heartbroken at the death of Diana and so can understand the feelings of MJ fans when someone who was an Icon to you passes.

Do you remember all the MJ fans who descended on FG a couple of years ago? They, and millions of others, are going to be devastated and will mourn him loudly from now until his interment. I'd put money on it.

I remember all his fans that were here, it has been awhile since we have seen them.

Rapunzel;1209621 wrote: I think the worldwide grief in the next week will resemble the week following Diana's death. I think they'll be singing, prayers and candlelit vigils outside his current home and outside Neverland and any other places associated with him.

While I personally, belong to the camp, in regards to MJ, I was heartbroken at the death of Diana and so can understand the feelings of MJ fans when someone who was an Icon to you passes.

Do you remember all the MJ fans who descended on FG a couple of years ago? They, and millions of others, are going to be devastated and will mourn him loudly from now until his interment. I'd put money on it. Very true words. Mr O has been a huge fan for years. During the child molestation charges, he switiched himself off from that area and concentrated on the music that no-one can deny was sheer genious.

My life hero is actually Mick Jagger and i've always dreaded the day when i hear that he's gone so i can relate to how Mr O is feeling. As he has just said to me, it's the idea that nothing new will ecer be heard from him again and it's future music and genious that has died along with him.

Nomad;1209375 wrote: Is that code for sleeping with children in Never Never Land ?


Neighbor...you're awesome :wah:

Odie;1209395 wrote: As far as they know he did have a heart attack, but what caused it?


Reports in the Sun suggested that Jackson may have collapsed after an injection of Demerol, a powerful painkiller that can in certain circumstances increase the risk of cardiac arrest. The singer became addicted to Demerol and morphine during his 2003 trial for child sex abuse.

"Shortly after taking the Demerol he started to experience slow shallow breathing," the newspaper quoted one source as saying. "His breathing gradually got slower and slower until it stopped."


Michael Jackson death: painkillers may have been factor | Music | guardian.co.uk

oscar;1209624 wrote: As he has just said to me, it's the idea that nothing new will ecer be heard from him again and it's future music and genious that has died along with him.


While it's true that nothing new will ever be heard, it's also true that his music will never be forgotten. Like Elvis, John Lennon, Freddie Mercury, there'll be tribute bands/singers, Best Of albums, cover songs from other artists. Some of it may be different, it may be good or bad, but his music will never die.

After all, people still listen to Mozart's music and he died 218 years ago. I'm sure MJ's music will be remembered long after we're all gone . . . and that's what people will remember . . . his music.

Michael Jackson`s Newspaper Covers Today [18 Pics] | I Am Bored



this is a cool link of front pages of newspapers around the world and how they choose to depict MJ

The sadness of it is the tiny pics and captions about Farah as though MJ's death has overshadowed hers. Makes me rather sad.

BTW the sparkle glove is my hometowns newspaper

Rapunzel;1209647 wrote: Michael Jackson death: painkillers may have been factor | Music | guardian.co.uk


thank you Rapunzel!

Demoral is one of the most potent pain killers!:-5:-5:-5

who the hell prescribes so much?

but then again in that states, I have heard you can buy prescription drugs without a prescription.

is this true?

No, you must have a perscription by a doctor to get demerol.

Odie;1209687 wrote: thank you Rapunzel!



Demoral is one of the most potent pain killers!:-5:-5:-5



who the hell prescribes so much?



but then again in that states, I have heard you can buy prescription drugs without a prescription.

is this true?





Let me know if you find out..:wah:

minks;1209670 wrote: Michael Jackson`s Newspaper Covers Today [18 Pics] | I Am Bored



this is a cool link of front pages of newspapers around the world and how they choose to depict MJ

The sadness of it is the tiny pics and captions about Farah as though MJ's death has overshadowed hers. Makes me rather sad.

BTW the sparkle glove is my hometowns newspaper


I had watched the full hour of Larry King Live last night, plus CNN which followed directly after it.......hardly anything was said about Farrah!:-5:-5

I am sure ,, Farrah'a family dont care at all wether her death is overshadowed by MJ's... what does that matter??? they are grieving their loss,,, they dont care who was more important to people,,, strangers,,, she was important to them and thats all that matters to them ,, thats my thoughts its not a death popularity contest:-5

chonsigirl;1209688 wrote: No, you must have a perscription by a doctor to get demerol.


-thanks Chonsi, guess he got them illegally like people do here.

Odie;1209687 wrote: thank you Rapunzel!

Demoral is one of the most potent pain killers!:-5:-5:-5

who the hell prescribes so much?

but then again in that states, I have heard you can buy prescription drugs without a prescription.

is this true?


You're welcome! :-6

Google says that Michael Jackson's personal physician was with the singer when he died.

I guess if you can pay a personal physician then they will prescribe what you need or what you feel you need. :-3

Police towed the car of a doctor from Jackson's home today, saying it could contain drugs or other evidence that may offer clues in his death.


Michael Jackson Died at 50, Demerol Suspected In Death - ABC News