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quick wikipedia look,

is the view that God is immanent within all Creation and that the universe is part of God or that God is the animating force behind the universe. Unlike pantheism, panentheism does not mean that the universe is synonymous with God. Instead, it maintains that there is more to God than the material universe. In panentheism, God maintains a transcendent character, and is viewed as both the creator and the original source of universal morality.


is this an accurate portrayal of your belief, Ted?

do you believe in an omnimax, interventionist god?

beyelzu :-6

First of all that post earlier that you referred to as "condescending" was not meant that way and I'm sorry you took it thus. I do apologize. I was simply pointing out that there is a new paradigm emerging withing the Christian community that is very different in many ways from the traditional paradigm. I hold to the emerging paradigm.

I loved the definition. Right on.

Omnimax intermentionist God?? A guess on my part since I've never seen that term before. The short answer is no. I do accept that God does intervene through nature though, at times but has no need to intervene on a large scale.

You might find this site interesting. Go to the writings rather then the 22 questions. Though they are interest as well.

http://www.matthewfox.org/sys-tmpl/htmlpage10/

Shalom

Ted :-6

nvaleyvee :-6

My posts reflect the emerging paradigm in the Christian community as opposed to the traditional paradigm. I have studied translation of both OT and NT and interpretation as well as biblical history and theology on a formal level. I still take courses at VST--The Vancouver School of Theology. My own personal studies include conversations with theologians and scientists etc.

By and large most of my studies have been informal but use the work of some of the world's best Biblical and Theological scholars: Marcus Borg, John Spong, Michael Ingham, Matthew Fox, James Meek, Mary Chase, John D. Crossan, Hans Kung and others.

It is a life song study that has led me to declare myself a Christian Pluralist. That is I accept the validity to be found in all faiths. Just as Christianity is man's search for God so are all of the other great faiths.

I am a Christian because I accept the Messiahship of Yeshua of Nazareth. He was an Eastern Mediterranean Jewish peasant who was a Spirit Person, a Prophet, a Healer an exocist and enjoyed a unique relationship with the Divine. He was ultimately exalted to the God head. One must bear in mind that any words we use in describing or defining God are metaphorical because all human languages fail at the point of the Divine. His teachings, those that go back to the historical Jesus are without a doubt among the best in the world and they are inclusive not exclusive as many Christians would have one believe.

BTW Jesus was not "hard nosed" except with those who tried to use God for their own personal ends and gain i.e. The Pharasees. Look at whom he ate and drank with. He accepted all wherever they were at.

Shalom

Ted :-6

Ted wrote: beyelzu :-6

First of all that post earlier that you referred to as "condescending" was not meant that way and I'm sorry you took it thus. I do apologize. I was simply pointing out that there is a new paradigm emerging withing the Christian community that is very different in many ways from the traditional paradigm. I hold to the emerging paradigm.

I loved the definition. Right on.
I wish you the best of luck with the paradigm shift, I wonder if it's actually possible however.



Omnimax intermentionist God?? A guess on my part since I've never seen that term before. The short answer is no. I do accept that God does intervene through nature though, at times but has no need to intervene on a large scale.omnimax is shorthand for all good, all powerful and all knowing. interventionist in the sense that god plays an active role in the universe such as miracles, healing the sick saving people's lives, etc..



You might find this site interesting. Go to the writings rather then the 22 questions. Though they are interest as well.

http://www.matthewfox.org/sys-tmpl/htmlpage10/

Shalom

Ted :-6
I found the site very interesting and applaud his efforts, I probably wouldnt have a problem with christianity if it was more in line with mathew fox's views.

ps I started a thread on him over at freethought forum where a couple of posters are catholic, should be interesting.

sorry about how long it took me to reply but we just opened up a new store and I have been working about 14 hours a day for the last almost 3 weeks.

I would say you can pray for them if you wish to (why not?)

beyelzu :-6

I would say that most main line churches here in Canada are heading in that direction. Some moreso then others. In many cases it will be up to the clergy. One would have to search around.

For me it is the continuation of the journey I started when I left the fundamentalist fold some 45 years ago. It is both enlightening and exciting. In our particular church community I feel like we have finally arrived though we are yet on the edge. But it will come and quickly I think.

Good luck on your new store.

Shalom

Ted :-6

yes, we can pray for the dead.

spot wrote: None of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. As we remain the Lord's, death is a matter of irrelevance when it comes to relationships. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. If you love, if you are loved, you can always pray, knowing that the prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective.


I couldn,t agree more! Well said Spot

Yes, pray for the dead and that their sins are forgiven. It lifts them to a higher plane in heaven. Remember, they can't pray for themselves any longer.