Why don't they just let him speak?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:13 pm

Have you looked at the video, oscar? Does Griffin deny the holocaust took place or not?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:40 pm

Clodhopper;1250964 wrote: Have you looked at the video, oscar? Does Griffin deny the holocaust took place or not?
Sorry Clodness, I was basting a very plump bird there. Will look now.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:49 pm

Clodhopper;1250964 wrote: Have you looked at the video, oscar? Does Griffin deny the holocaust took place or not? I have seen these video's before. For one, They are some of the most heavilly edited clips I have ever seen and I would say that who-ever the Politician was. For two, Griffin is talking about the numbers of the Holocaust, not actual denial. For three, the clips are extremely old and since then Griffin hasd made it clear that some of the Interviews he gave many years ago were not appropriate. Politicians are very capable of changing their views over many years... they all do it.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:52 pm

I have seen these video's before. For one, They are some of the most heavilly edited clips I have ever seen and I would say that who-ever the Politician was. For two, Griffin is talking about the numbers of the Holocaust, not actual denial. For three, the clips are extremely old and since then Griffin hasd made it clear that some of the Interviews he gave many years ago were not appropriate. Politicians are very capable of changing their views over many years... they all do it.

I notice you avoiding the question.

Does Griffin deny the Holocaust took place? "Yes" or "No" will do as an answer.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:01 pm

Clodhopper;1251007 wrote: I notice you avoiding the question.

Does Griffin deny the Holocaust took place? "Yes" or "No" will do as an answer.
I'm not avoiding the question. I am merely stating that from what I know of Griffin, he has not denied the Holocaust. He may be lying... who Knows? That's the whole point of my thread. Let him speak on Question Time where he will no doubt be asked to explain himself and we can all make our own minds up. To constantly deny him the right to speak, simply draws new members to the BNP at the rate of knots. Do people not realise that?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:11 pm

Still avoiding the question. Does Nick Griffin, in the video, deny the Holocaust took place? I heard him deny it happened. I was interested to see how you'd react to an uncomfortable truth and now I know - you waffle and dodge.

What is your position with the BNP? Member, official or merely deluded supporter?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:14 pm

Clodhopper;1251020 wrote:

What is your position with the BNP? Member, official or merely deluded supporter? Either all of those, none of those, or one of those.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:00 pm

Fellow traveller, at the least. You've posted too much BNP material to be entirely uninvolved.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:16 pm

Clodhopper;1251042 wrote: Fellow traveller, at the least. You've posted too much BNP material to be entirely uninvolved. Yes I do post BNP news items and here's why. I find it deplorable that in what is supposed to be a free democratic society, we are told who we can listen to... and who we should not vote for. What I object to is the UAF... they are thug hypocrites funded and supported by Cameron. How long will It be before Cameron is telling us we don't have freedom of speech, freedom of movement etc etc. Can you really not see where that is going? I happen to find the entire hypocrisy Interesting and I do post some of the BNP reports. If I post an article on homosexulaity... am I gay?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:21 pm

If you support the BNP you are a BNP supporter. You are supporting the BNP therefore you are a BNP supporter.

I think we've gone into some detail about what moronic racist filth you are supporting. I wish you would stop.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:30 pm

Clodhopper;1251052 wrote: If you support the BNP you are a BNP supporter. You are supporting the BNP therefore you are a BNP supporter.

I think we've gone into some detail about what moronic racist filth you are supporting. I wish you would stop. That is not what I said... Pay attention !!

Yes I do post BNP news items and here's why. I find it deplorable that in what is supposed to be a free democratic society, we are told who we can listen to... and who we should not vote for. What I object to is the UAF... they are thug hypocrites funded and supported by Cameron. How long will It be before Cameron is telling us we don't have freedom of speech, freedom of movement etc etc. Can you really not see where that is going? I happen to find the entire hypocrisy Interesting and I do post some of the BNP reports. If I post an article on homosexulaity... am I gay?

That is what I said. So you answer the question. If I post an atricle where I object to the bias of homosexulaity... am I gay?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:02 pm

If you post an article promoting or supporting the BNP then you ARE a BNP supporter by your actions. If you post an article bashing gays, then you are a gay basher by your actions. If you post an article supporting gay rights then you are supporting gay rights (of course it doesn't make you gay. Don't be silly!)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:06 pm

Clodhopper;1251075 wrote: If you post an article promoting or supporting the BNP then you ARE a BNP supporter by your actions. If you post an article bashing gays, then you are a gay basher by your actions. If you post an article supporting gay rights then you are supporting gay rights (of course it doesn't make you gay. Don't be silly!) So because the Daily Mail and other newspapers write about the BNP, they are BNP supporters? Your post is riddled with hypocrisy.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:14 pm

So because the Daily Mail and other newspapers write about the BNP, they are BNP supporters? Your post is riddled with hypocrisy.

If the Mail writes an article SUPPORTING the BNP it is a BNP supporter. If it writes an article criticising the BNP it is not.

It is not the ACT of writing that makes you a supporter (or not), it is WHAT you write that makes you a supporter, or not.

Please read what I say, not what you hope I'll say.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:21 pm

Clodhopper;1251084 wrote: If the Mail writes an article SUPPORTING the BNP it is a BNP supporter. If it writes an article criticising the BNP it is not.

It is not the ACT of writing that makes you a supporter (or not), it is WHAT you write that makes you a supporter, or not.

Please read what I say, not what you hope I'll say. So going by your anaylisis of a supporter... I have said that Griffin is a grade A pillock at the best of times but I object to the UAF based on the hypocrisy. So what am I?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:52 pm

So going by your anaylisis of a supporter... I have said that Griffin is a grade A pillock at the best of times but I object to the UAF based on the hypocrisy. So what am I?

You post articles in support of the BNP, so you are a BNP supporter. If you think Griffin is a pillock you are a BNP supporter who wants a new leader.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:57 pm

Clodhopper;1251112 wrote: You post articles in support of the BNP, so you are a BNP supporter. If you think Griffin is a pillock you are a BNP supporter who wants a new leader.
Are you really that dumb? Pay attention.. I post articles concerning the hypocrisy of the UAF. Why don't you re-read the OP? The thread is asking why they don't just let him speak so the country can make up their own minds. Or are you in favour of government who make our minds up for us? You must be.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:38 pm

Yes I do post BNP news items

You, quoted from earlier in this thread. So by your own admission, you are doing more than posting articles on the hypocrisy of the UAF. You are supporting the BNP.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are....it's a duck.

In this case a fascist BNP duck.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:53 pm

Clodhopper;1251175 wrote: You, quoted from earlier in this thread. So by your own admission, you are doing more than posting articles on the hypocrisy of the UAF. You are supporting the BNP.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are....it's a duck.

In this case a fascist BNP duck.
I'm actually quite dissapointed in you. After all that's been said, you still just resort to insults whn you can not answer the questions. Perhaps you are a member of the UAF and advocate the violence shown against the police at demonstrations. That would explain much of your posting and defensive attitude tonight.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:01 pm

Well, I'm relieved to find that you are insulted to be called a BNP supporter. But it is what you are.

If you post articles supporting the BNP and try to convince me that they are ok because they have a policy similar to a Lib Dem one, then you are a BNP supporter. Your actions define you.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:39 pm

Clodhopper;1251180 wrote: Well, I'm relieved to find that you are insulted to be called a BNP supporter. But it is what you are.

If you post articles supporting the BNP and try to convince me that they are ok because they have a policy similar to a Lib Dem one, then you are a BNP supporter. Your actions define you.
Your like a well known race-horse in the Newmarket stakes... Blinkered. You see what you want to see. Infact your quite bigoted. So you support and condone UAF violence against police at demonstrations? Well well well.

YouTube - UAF and Muslims attacked police near Harrow Central Mosque over SIOE demonstration

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:06 am

So you support and condone UAF violence against police at demonstrations? Well well well.

This is now the third time I have asked you not to put words in my mouth. It might suit you, but as it happens, I do not support UAF violence against police at demonstrations and would like you to produce the quotation where I say I do.

Chuckle. One minor side effect of all this is that I am not so likely to join the UAF. Sound too much like a bunch of glory hunters. Hmm. Perhaps I'll just keep an eye out for demos and turn up as an Independent Anti-Fascist.

Your like a well known race-horse in the Newmarket stakes... Blinkered. You see what you want to see. Infact your quite bigoted.

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You are describing yourself!

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:46 am

oscar;1251185 wrote: Your like a well known race-horse in the Newmarket stakes... Blinkered. You see what you want to see. Infact your quite bigoted. So you support and condone UAF violence against police at demonstrations? Well well well.

YouTube - UAF and Muslims attacked police near Harrow Central Mosque over SIOE demonstration

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sorry oscar but

i cant help it

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