Obama Just Got His Private Army
Nancy Matthis
American Daughter
March 27, 2010
Remember when Obama said he wanted a “national security force”? Not the national guard, but a civilian one that has not sworn to uphold the Constitution? On July 2, 2008 in a speech in Colorado Springs, Barack Obama called for a police state type of environment:
YouTube - A Chilling Proposal by Barack Obama
Remember that first alarming glimpse of what that army might look like? Notice how much these “Hitler youth” type young men talk about health care! They almost seem to be brainwashed into worshipping Obama:
YouTube - Obama Youth Brigade March in Formation
Obama just got his private army…
…And no one seems to have noticed. It is buried in the Senate revisions to the health care bill.
Subtitle C–Increasing the Supply of the Health Care Workforce
Sec. 5201. Federally supported student loan funds.
Sec. 5202. Nursing student loan program.
Sec. 5203. Health care workforce loan repayment programs.
Sec. 5204. Public health workforce recruitment and retention programs.
Sec. 5205. Allied health workforce recruitment and retention programs.
Sec. 5206. Grants for State and local programs.
Sec. 5207. Funding for National Health Service Corps.
Sec. 5208. Nurse-managed health clinics.
Sec. 5209. Elimination of cap on commissioned corps.
Sec. 5210. Establishing a Ready Reserve Corps.
Subtitle D–Enhancing Health Care Workforce Education and Training
See the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act, page 1312:
http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/pati ... passed.pdf
SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS.
Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows:
SEC. 203. COMMISSIONED CORPS AND READY RESERVE CORPS.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT–
(1) IN GENERAL.–here shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency.
(2) REQUIREMENT.–All commissioned officers shall be citizens of the United States and shall be appointed without regard to the civil-service laws and compensated without regard to the Classification Act 2 of 1923, as amended.
(3) APPOINTMENT.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President and commissioned officers of the Regular Corps shall be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.
(4) ACTIVE DUTY.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including active duty for the purpose of training.
(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.–Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commissioned officer within the Commissioned Corps of the Service.
(b) ASSIMILATING RESERVE CORP OFFICERS INTO THE REGULAR CORPS.—Effective on the date of enactment of the Affordable Health Choices Act, all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this section (as such section existed on the day before the date of enactment of such Act) and serving on active duty shall be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps.
[Note here that those personally appointed y BO -- without advice and consent of the Senate -- automatically become a part of the Regular Corps. Ed.]
(c) PURPOSE AND USE OF READY RESERVE.–b
(1) PURPOSE.–The purpose of the Ready Reserve Corps is to fulfill the need to have additional Commissioned Corps personnel available on short notice (similar to the uniformed service’s reserve program) to assist regular Commissioned Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions.
(2) USES.–The Ready Reserve Corps shall–
(A) participate in routine training to meet the general and specific needs of the Commissioned Corps;
(B) be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel;
(C) be available for backfilling critical positions left vacant during deployment of active duty Commissioned Corps members, as well as for deployment to respond to public health emergencies, both foreign and domestic; and
(D) be available for service assignment in isolated, hardship, and medically underserved communities (as defined in section 399SS) to improve access to health services.
(d) FUNDING.—For the purpose of carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the Commissioned Corps under this section, there are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to the Office of the Surgeon General for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014. Funds appropriated under this subsection shall be used for recruitment and training of Commissioned Corps Officers.
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TruthBringer;1299903 wrote: Matthew 24:13
"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Yes, if there was one thing that Jesus said, it was to screw the poor, sick and needy.
"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Yes, if there was one thing that Jesus said, it was to screw the poor, sick and needy.
Health Care's Ten Immediate Benefits
Lon;1297647 wrote: OK---So what did she say?
I think the gist I've heard from the Democrats is that the GOP was hoping to run against a caricature of the bill and not the reality of it. Then they would have been able to make up things like "death panels' and imaginary budgets. This is the worst case scenario for the GOP. Now they have to deal with the reality of the bill, which isn't their strong suit. Eventually the goodies will trickle out to voters. Also the CBO has actually estimated the reforms will save a lot of money.
I think the gist I've heard from the Democrats is that the GOP was hoping to run against a caricature of the bill and not the reality of it. Then they would have been able to make up things like "death panels' and imaginary budgets. This is the worst case scenario for the GOP. Now they have to deal with the reality of the bill, which isn't their strong suit. Eventually the goodies will trickle out to voters. Also the CBO has actually estimated the reforms will save a lot of money.
Health Care's Ten Immediate Benefits
hoppy;1299197 wrote: In the past and even now people like Kitty Werthmann have tried to warn the USA, only to be met with laughter, jokes and a "it can't happen here" attitude. Now, it's all happening here, or about to happen. The incredible thing is how many are STILL in denial. For the sake of your children and grandchildren, try to see beyond the present. Try to see the country the 'crats are trying to force upon us. You're probably thinking, "we'll just become more europe-like". You think europe will remain as it is now, once the USA is taken down?:(
I got an e-mail with an article by Kitty Werthmann on her life in Austria. It's lengthy but quite interesting.
The author of this article lives in South Dakota. Google Kitty Werthmann and you will see articles and videos.
America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away
By: Kitty Werthmann
What I am about to tell you is something you've probably never heard or will ever read in history books.
I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected him by a landslide - 98% of the vote.. I've never read that in any American publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.
In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.
Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food.. Not that they didn't want to work; there simply weren't any jobs. My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need.. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people - about 30 daily.
The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna , Linz , and Graz were destroyed. The people became desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.
We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany , where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn't have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group -- Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria . We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.
We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.
After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.
Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn't support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.
Hitler Targets Education - Eliminates Religious Instruction for Children:
Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler's picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn't pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang "Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles," and had physical education.
Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail. The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it.. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.
My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn't do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun - no sports, and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn't exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy
Equal Rights Hits Home:
In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn't work, you didn't get a ration card, and if you didn't have a card, you starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn't have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.
Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps. During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys. They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.
Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:
When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children.. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.
Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls:
Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna . After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.
As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn't meet all the demands. Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.
We had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.
"Mercy Killing" Redefined:
In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps . The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded.
When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very well He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.
As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.
The Final Steps - Gun Laws:
Next came gun registration..People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.
No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.
Totalitarianism didn't come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria ..Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.
After World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria. Women were raped, preteen to elderly. The press never wrote about this either. When the Soviets left in 1955, they took everything that they could, dismantling whole factories in the process. They sawed down whole orchards of fruit, and what they couldn't destroy, they burned. We called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population barricaded themselves in their houses. Women hid in their cellars for 6 weeks as the troops mobilized. Those who couldn't, paid the price. There is a monument in Vienna today, dedicated to those women who were massacred by the Russians. This is an eye witness account.
"It's true.those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.
America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away
"After America , There is No Place to Go"
I got an e-mail with an article by Kitty Werthmann on her life in Austria. It's lengthy but quite interesting.
The author of this article lives in South Dakota. Google Kitty Werthmann and you will see articles and videos.
America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away
By: Kitty Werthmann
What I am about to tell you is something you've probably never heard or will ever read in history books.
I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected him by a landslide - 98% of the vote.. I've never read that in any American publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.
In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.
Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food.. Not that they didn't want to work; there simply weren't any jobs. My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need.. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people - about 30 daily.
The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna , Linz , and Graz were destroyed. The people became desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.
We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany , where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn't have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group -- Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria . We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.
We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.
After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.
Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn't support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.
Hitler Targets Education - Eliminates Religious Instruction for Children:
Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler's picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn't pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang "Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles," and had physical education.
Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail. The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it.. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.
My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn't do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun - no sports, and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn't exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy
Equal Rights Hits Home:
In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn't work, you didn't get a ration card, and if you didn't have a card, you starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn't have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.
Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps. During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys. They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.
Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:
When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children.. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.
Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls:
Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna . After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.
As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn't meet all the demands. Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.
We had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.
"Mercy Killing" Redefined:
In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps . The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded.
When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very well He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.
As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.
The Final Steps - Gun Laws:
Next came gun registration..People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.
No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.
Totalitarianism didn't come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria ..Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.
After World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria. Women were raped, preteen to elderly. The press never wrote about this either. When the Soviets left in 1955, they took everything that they could, dismantling whole factories in the process. They sawed down whole orchards of fruit, and what they couldn't destroy, they burned. We called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population barricaded themselves in their houses. Women hid in their cellars for 6 weeks as the troops mobilized. Those who couldn't, paid the price. There is a monument in Vienna today, dedicated to those women who were massacred by the Russians. This is an eye witness account.
"It's true.those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.
America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away
"After America , There is No Place to Go"
Health Care's Ten Immediate Benefits
Zapata;1309120 wrote:
What I am about to tell you is something you've probably never heard or will ever read in history books.
Translation: because it's largely made up.
What I am about to tell you is something you've probably never heard or will ever read in history books.
Translation: because it's largely made up.
Health Care's Ten Immediate Benefits
yaaarrrgg;1309134 wrote: Translation: because it's largely made up.
Which parts are "made up"? Is any of it accurate?
Which parts are "made up"? Is any of it accurate?
Health Care's Ten Immediate Benefits
mikeinie;1299448 wrote: I don’t entirely agree with you on this. The belief that your country was built on Capitalism is not true, it was built on democracy not capitalism. The whole ‘capitalism’ decree has only come about in the past 25 years after the view that the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union was like a military victory of Capitalism over Communism. In fact it is was during the times of uncontrolled capitalism that the country nearly fell apart as it is doing now.
Nowhere in the constitution of the United States of America is the financial structure of the country stated. In fact if anything the Constitution is based on a Socialistic view of society.
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
There is nothing overtly capitalistic about that.
The opening statement says specifically: ‘promote the general welfare’ which means, promote the health and wellbeing of the people.
In section 8 it says: To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes .
Regulate commerce? Regulation of commerce in actually anti-capitalism, yet it is stated in the constitution.
In the early 1900, corporate America boomed with the Rockefellers and so forth, during this time the corruption in government between big business and politicians was unbelievable. The group called the ‘Muckrakers’ were journalists which brought all this corruption to the limelight. Due to their investigations a number of processes came into play which included the Pure Food and Drug Act, the breakup of Standard Oil, the direct election of senators, and investigations into the insurance and finance industries. That is more socialistic than it is capitalistic.
The muckrakers were shut down after big business and politicians set out against them. ( now that’s capitalistic).
The market ran wild which eventually lead to the stock market crash of 1929. To prevent this from happening again FDR brought in all sorts of regulations to protect the economy. These regulations have been chipped away at since the Reagan years and eventually leading to the crash we have today.
And what is happening today? The same thing as way back then.
Corruption
Uncontrolled capitalism
Big business running Capitol Hill.
I do not know the details of the controversial health plan, but what I do know is that without the FDR 5 year plan, America would not have survived the depression. Having a health plan does not make your country suddenly anti-capitalist, or socialist. It only means that you are living up to the promise made in the constitution.
I consider myself a Capitalist. I work for a large US multi-national, I believe in working for welfare payments, I believe in being rewarded for my efforts and hard work, I like business. Does the fact that I also agree that a country should provide a good medical system for all the citizens of the country to have access to suddenly make me a socialist?
When people are healthy they are happier, when they are happier they are more active, when they are more active they are more productive, so in fact you could argue that a health care system is actually beneficial to capitalism.
Anyway, good luck with it all and I hope that it works out for everyone.
I had to quit reading when your skewed facts call us a "Democracy"
HOGwash we are a "Republic" my friend and there is a MIGHTY big difference. Anything you say after that blunder are moot words......IMFO
Nowhere in the constitution of the United States of America is the financial structure of the country stated. In fact if anything the Constitution is based on a Socialistic view of society.
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
There is nothing overtly capitalistic about that.
The opening statement says specifically: ‘promote the general welfare’ which means, promote the health and wellbeing of the people.
In section 8 it says: To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes .
Regulate commerce? Regulation of commerce in actually anti-capitalism, yet it is stated in the constitution.
In the early 1900, corporate America boomed with the Rockefellers and so forth, during this time the corruption in government between big business and politicians was unbelievable. The group called the ‘Muckrakers’ were journalists which brought all this corruption to the limelight. Due to their investigations a number of processes came into play which included the Pure Food and Drug Act, the breakup of Standard Oil, the direct election of senators, and investigations into the insurance and finance industries. That is more socialistic than it is capitalistic.
The muckrakers were shut down after big business and politicians set out against them. ( now that’s capitalistic).
The market ran wild which eventually lead to the stock market crash of 1929. To prevent this from happening again FDR brought in all sorts of regulations to protect the economy. These regulations have been chipped away at since the Reagan years and eventually leading to the crash we have today.
And what is happening today? The same thing as way back then.
Corruption
Uncontrolled capitalism
Big business running Capitol Hill.
I do not know the details of the controversial health plan, but what I do know is that without the FDR 5 year plan, America would not have survived the depression. Having a health plan does not make your country suddenly anti-capitalist, or socialist. It only means that you are living up to the promise made in the constitution.
I consider myself a Capitalist. I work for a large US multi-national, I believe in working for welfare payments, I believe in being rewarded for my efforts and hard work, I like business. Does the fact that I also agree that a country should provide a good medical system for all the citizens of the country to have access to suddenly make me a socialist?
When people are healthy they are happier, when they are happier they are more active, when they are more active they are more productive, so in fact you could argue that a health care system is actually beneficial to capitalism.
Anyway, good luck with it all and I hope that it works out for everyone.
I had to quit reading when your skewed facts call us a "Democracy"
HOGwash we are a "Republic" my friend and there is a MIGHTY big difference. Anything you say after that blunder are moot words......IMFO
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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BTS;1309143 wrote: I had to quit reading when your skewed facts call us a "Democracy"
HOGwash we are a "Republic" my friend and there is a MIGHTY big difference. Anything you say after that blunder are moot words......IMFO
Might I ask then, why the US is so keen on forcing other countries to accept Democracy?
HOGwash we are a "Republic" my friend and there is a MIGHTY big difference. Anything you say after that blunder are moot words......IMFO
Might I ask then, why the US is so keen on forcing other countries to accept Democracy?
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Bryn Mawr;1309162 wrote: Might I ask then, why the US is so keen on forcing other countries to accept Democracy?
It's an old saw this one, I even have a US politics college level textbook by some respectable authors that makes the same mistake.
Representative democracy is irrelevant to republic. A constitutional monarchy can be a representative democracy but not a republic. A republic can be a dictatorship but not a democracy.
I always thought the marker of a republic was the lack of a monarch and an aristocracy as ruling class. And I always thought that a representative democracy was a situation where universal suffrage allowed electors to choose their representatives. I haven't been dissuaded from any other those views so far.
It's an old saw this one, I even have a US politics college level textbook by some respectable authors that makes the same mistake.
Representative democracy is irrelevant to republic. A constitutional monarchy can be a representative democracy but not a republic. A republic can be a dictatorship but not a democracy.
I always thought the marker of a republic was the lack of a monarch and an aristocracy as ruling class. And I always thought that a representative democracy was a situation where universal suffrage allowed electors to choose their representatives. I haven't been dissuaded from any other those views so far.
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Royd Fissure
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BTS;1309143 wrote: I had to quit reading when your skewed facts call us a "Democracy"
HOGwash we are a "Republic" my friend and there is a MIGHTY big difference. Anything you say after that blunder are moot words......IMFO
Moot meaning "up for discussion" in this case
HOGwash we are a "Republic" my friend and there is a MIGHTY big difference. Anything you say after that blunder are moot words......IMFO
Moot meaning "up for discussion" in this case
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Royd Fissure;1309239 wrote: It's an old saw this one, I even have a US politics college level textbook by some respectable authors that makes the same mistake.
Representative democracy is irrelevant to republic. A constitutional monarchy can be a representative democracy but not a republic. A republic can be a dictatorship but not a democracy.
I always thought the marker of a republic was the lack of a monarch and an aristocracy as ruling class. And I always thought that a representative democracy was a situation where universal suffrage allowed electors to choose their representatives. I haven't been dissuaded from any other those views so far.
I agree, Republic and Democracy are not mutually exclusive concepts
Representative democracy is irrelevant to republic. A constitutional monarchy can be a representative democracy but not a republic. A republic can be a dictatorship but not a democracy.
I always thought the marker of a republic was the lack of a monarch and an aristocracy as ruling class. And I always thought that a representative democracy was a situation where universal suffrage allowed electors to choose their representatives. I haven't been dissuaded from any other those views so far.
I agree, Republic and Democracy are not mutually exclusive concepts