McDonalds Happy Meal
McDonalds Happy Meal
Well, Obama is sure trying to put us in the running.
McDonalds Happy Meal
hoppy;1308823 wrote: Well, Obama is sure trying to put us in the running.
What have you got against the notion of everybody paying so that people have access to healthcare whenever they need it at the point of need regardless of their circumstances at that time? You can lose your job or become ill and unable to keep up the payments on your health insurance so it would be available to you just like everybody else. Why do you find that so distasteful? I really don;t understand why anyone would object to the concept.
What have you got against the notion of everybody paying so that people have access to healthcare whenever they need it at the point of need regardless of their circumstances at that time? You can lose your job or become ill and unable to keep up the payments on your health insurance so it would be available to you just like everybody else. Why do you find that so distasteful? I really don;t understand why anyone would object to the concept.
McDonalds Happy Meal
gmc;1308829 wrote: What have you got against the notion of everybody paying so that people have access to healthcare whenever they need it at the point of need regardless of their circumstances at that time? You can lose your job or become ill and unable to keep up the payments on your health insurance so it would be available to you just like everybody else. Why do you find that so distasteful? I really don;t understand why anyone would object to the concept.
Those who can pay, already do. I don't think throwing our grandchildren into debt to China is the answer.
Those who can pay, already do. I don't think throwing our grandchildren into debt to China is the answer.
McDonalds Happy Meal
hoppy;1308834 wrote: Those who can pay, already do. I don't think throwing our grandchildren into debt to China is the answer.
The money issue is a crock. We are already paying twice as much on healthcare as other industrialized countries. The problem is that corporations are taking the money and not translating that into services.
How did Americans become so servile and unquestioning of the ruling elite?
The money issue is a crock. We are already paying twice as much on healthcare as other industrialized countries. The problem is that corporations are taking the money and not translating that into services.
How did Americans become so servile and unquestioning of the ruling elite?
McDonalds Happy Meal
hoppy;1308834 wrote: Those who can pay, already do. I don't think throwing our grandchildren into debt to China is the answer.
Too late Bush has already done that.
China holds more U.S. debt than indicated - Washington Times
Mr. Johnson, a former chief economist for the International Monetary Fund, estimated that China owns about $1 trillion in U.S. Treasury securities, or nearly half the $2.37 trillion stock of Treasury debt held by "foreign official" owners.
To paraphrase a well know saying. Wake up and smell the bullshit you have been falling for.
Too late Bush has already done that.
China holds more U.S. debt than indicated - Washington Times
Mr. Johnson, a former chief economist for the International Monetary Fund, estimated that China owns about $1 trillion in U.S. Treasury securities, or nearly half the $2.37 trillion stock of Treasury debt held by "foreign official" owners.
To paraphrase a well know saying. Wake up and smell the bullshit you have been falling for.
McDonalds Happy Meal
gmc;1308868 wrote: Too late Bush has already done that.
China holds more U.S. debt than indicated - Washington Times
To paraphrase a well know saying. Wake up and smell the bullshit you have been falling for.
We know, gmc. Why do you think we hope to begin starting over next election day?:(
China holds more U.S. debt than indicated - Washington Times
To paraphrase a well know saying. Wake up and smell the bullshit you have been falling for.
We know, gmc. Why do you think we hope to begin starting over next election day?:(
McDonalds Happy Meal
hoppy;1308924 wrote: We know, gmc. Why do you think we hope to begin starting over next election day?:(
Go for Sarah palin. At least she was entertaining.
Go for Sarah palin. At least she was entertaining.
McDonalds Happy Meal
Sarah didn't hold McCain back. McCain held her back.
McDonalds Happy Meal
It occurs to me, that U.S. politicians have brought the "Happy Meal" mentality to politics. They offer people a little toy, along with the nutritionally void product, decked out with clowns and colorful games. Not a lot of substance though.
McDonalds Happy Meal
That's EXACTLY what the 'crat's are giving us.:yh_rotfl
McDonalds Happy Meal
hoppy;1308924 wrote: We know, gmc. Why do you think we hope to begin starting over next election day?:(
Just who was it that sold the family jewels Hoppy?
Your continuous attempts to put the blame on the current administration get tedious after a while
Just who was it that sold the family jewels Hoppy?
Your continuous attempts to put the blame on the current administration get tedious after a while
McDonalds Happy Meal
Bryn Mawr;1309129 wrote: Just who was it that sold the family jewels Hoppy?
Your continuous attempts to put the blame on the current administration get tedious after a while
But you people's supporting a failing president, over and over and over does not? You DO know how to relieve your tedium then, do you not?
Your continuous attempts to put the blame on the current administration get tedious after a while
But you people's supporting a failing president, over and over and over does not? You DO know how to relieve your tedium then, do you not?
McDonalds Happy Meal
hoppy;1309131 wrote: But you people's supporting a failing president, over and over and over does not? You DO know how to relieve your tedium then, do you not?
Where? I've barely mention the guy for months - certainly not dozens of posts a day having digs, mostly out of context of the tread they're in.
Where? I've barely mention the guy for months - certainly not dozens of posts a day having digs, mostly out of context of the tread they're in.
McDonalds Happy Meal
Bryn Mawr;1309133 wrote: Where? I've barely mention the guy for months - certainly not dozens of posts a day having digs, mostly out of context of the tread they're in.
I said "people's" plural, lumping you with all the other liberal 'crat's and 'bama huggers here.:yh_rotfl
I said "people's" plural, lumping you with all the other liberal 'crat's and 'bama huggers here.:yh_rotfl
McDonalds Happy Meal
AussiePam;1307490 wrote: Big Business is the same everywhere. You make as much money as you can in any way you can from whoever you can exploiting whatever you can get away with, until Public Outrage gets to the level where some of your moneymaking may suffer, then you modify a bit, spin a bit, PR a bit till you're earning the max again.. and so it goes. This is how Private Enterprise works.
KOOl.............So 80% of the people polled are opposed and that is public outrage......... Hmm
ONLY in a liberal America can a 20% support be public outrage....:-5
What was that Ol B Dylan said...........Oh ya "The tymes, they are a changing"
KOOl.............So 80% of the people polled are opposed and that is public outrage......... Hmm
ONLY in a liberal America can a 20% support be public outrage....:-5
What was that Ol B Dylan said...........Oh ya "The tymes, they are a changing"
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
Ahso!;1307509 wrote: Government does that when you don't do it for yourself or police yourself. Its better than leaving people to rot on the street. If you don't like the rules go buy the kid a burger and a toy separately. But stop claiming you'er a victim of government and liberals.
Weird..............Those are the exact reasons the KKK used when starting up back in the day.
Weird..............Those are the exact reasons the KKK used when starting up back in the day.
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
hoppy;1309151 wrote: I said "people's" plural, lumping you with all the other liberal 'crat's and 'bama huggers here.:yh_rotfl
I take no responsibility for other peoples opinions - neither do I expect my opinions to be judged by those of others.
You still haven't said who sold the family jewels you know - I'm sure that, now we've disposed of the irrelevant side issue you'll be keen to clear the matter up.
I take no responsibility for other peoples opinions - neither do I expect my opinions to be judged by those of others.
You still haven't said who sold the family jewels you know - I'm sure that, now we've disposed of the irrelevant side issue you'll be keen to clear the matter up.
McDonalds Happy Meal
gmc;1307814 wrote: If it wasn't for liberal assholes and liberal principles and the fact you live in a liberal democracy you wouldn't have freedom of speech. If you value freedom thank a liberal.
You need to look again.............This is a Republic not a Democracy!!!
You need to look again.............This is a Republic not a Democracy!!!
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
K.Snyder;1308567 wrote: Reminds me of 1920's America when "medicine" men were selling what we now use as antifreeze in automobiles as "medicine".
The fact is that "kickbacks" and corruption will remain with us until the end of time.
WOW............NOW we have jumped so far as to compare a Happy meal to eating Anti freeze..........
To correct your post.....It was 1937 not 1920's
The fact is that "kickbacks" and corruption will remain with us until the end of time.
WOW............NOW we have jumped so far as to compare a Happy meal to eating Anti freeze..........
To correct your post.....It was 1937 not 1920's
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
yaaarrrgg;1308671 wrote: The interesting thing about libertarian thinkers, is the curious lack of children in their model of reality.
Like Ayn Rand ... she had no children, and AFAIK put no children in her stories. It's over simplistic though to expect kids to make rational choices about nutrition verses a new toy, when they will jump in an unknown van for the same reward.
Part of the recent financial meltdown in 2008 was based on the over simplistic idea that adults make rational choices. Libertarians can whine about big goverment and the nanny state all they want, but it's doesn't do much good for them to admit a "flaw in their model of reality" when testifying before congress about the giant cluster f@#$% they managed to orchestrate (*cough Greenspan*).
Surely if adults are predictably NOT rational, we cannot extend the same model to children and expect anything less than a cluster f@#$% of health problems and obesity of likewise proportions.
Are the adults you mention, Barney Frank, Franklin Rains...Freddie Mac....or Fannie Mae
Like Ayn Rand ... she had no children, and AFAIK put no children in her stories. It's over simplistic though to expect kids to make rational choices about nutrition verses a new toy, when they will jump in an unknown van for the same reward.
Part of the recent financial meltdown in 2008 was based on the over simplistic idea that adults make rational choices. Libertarians can whine about big goverment and the nanny state all they want, but it's doesn't do much good for them to admit a "flaw in their model of reality" when testifying before congress about the giant cluster f@#$% they managed to orchestrate (*cough Greenspan*).
Surely if adults are predictably NOT rational, we cannot extend the same model to children and expect anything less than a cluster f@#$% of health problems and obesity of likewise proportions.
Are the adults you mention, Barney Frank, Franklin Rains...Freddie Mac....or Fannie Mae
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
yaaarrrgg;1308691 wrote: You wouldn't live as long, if you were a kid these days. They are the first generation that's not expected to live as long as their parents. That's what corporatism gets you...
NOPE.............That is what a liberal agenda does.
Take away dodge ball, all outdoor sports where someone might get their feelings hurt and plop em in front of a TV with their liberal PBS agenda...
NOPE.............That is what a liberal agenda does.
Take away dodge ball, all outdoor sports where someone might get their feelings hurt and plop em in front of a TV with their liberal PBS agenda...
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
yaaarrrgg;1308691 wrote: You wouldn't live as long, if you were a kid these days. They are the first generation that's not expected to live as long as their parents. That's what corporatism gets you...
BTS;1309168 wrote: NOPE.............That is what a liberal agenda does.
Take away dodge ball, all outdoor sports where someone might get their feelings hurt and plop em in front of a TV with their liberal PBS agenda...
You know, if either of you we right and the decline in life expectancy was politically differentiated it would be easy to prove by correlating health against parents voting pattern.
I suspect, however, that social trends cross the political divide and that we should be working on a solution rather than bickering and trying to score cheap points.
BTS;1309168 wrote: NOPE.............That is what a liberal agenda does.
Take away dodge ball, all outdoor sports where someone might get their feelings hurt and plop em in front of a TV with their liberal PBS agenda...
You know, if either of you we right and the decline in life expectancy was politically differentiated it would be easy to prove by correlating health against parents voting pattern.
I suspect, however, that social trends cross the political divide and that we should be working on a solution rather than bickering and trying to score cheap points.
McDonalds Happy Meal
gmc;1308821 wrote: Societies where that is the prevailing attitude always fail. Look at what is happening in your banking system - people doing for themselves and looking after their own and bugger the consequences for anyone else.
What are you on about anyway, America (Cap. corrected by BTS) is hardly world leaders in the welfare state stakes is it?
What was that saying............Oh ya
"I'm from the Govt. and I'm here to help"
Show me just one thing that the AMERICAN Govt. has done that has ever been productive. If they were a business they would have gone broke and been jailed years ago. But y'all are happy to jump on their bandwagon and ride their coat tails.....
Social Security is a ponzi scheme that makes Enron and Bernard Madoff look like angels.....
The postal service loses how much a year?
Postal Service Loses $1.6 Billion - U.S. BBB
US Postal Service loses 3.8 billion dollars, eyes new steps - Free .
OR ...AMTRAk....
Amtrak loses $32 per rider - NYPOST.com
Amtrak Subsidies: This is no Way to Run a Railroad |
Here are some of our GREAT BAIL outs...
GM loses $4.3 billion in last half of 2009 - USATODAY.com
AIG Loses $8.9 Billion, May Need More U.S. Aid - DailyFinance
Citigroup Loses $7.6 Billion on Costs to Repay U.S.
Bailout of U.S. Banks Gives British Rum a $2.7 Billion
Fannie Mae Loses $16.3 Billion and Requests More Aid - NYTimes.com
Then we took over student loans....
Student-loan reform slid into health law - Washington Times
We steal from our Native Americans
Billions Missing From U.S. Indian Trust Fund
Yes you libs jump in bed with this fine specimen of a top run ship.....
Sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite!!!!
What are you on about anyway, America (Cap. corrected by BTS) is hardly world leaders in the welfare state stakes is it?
What was that saying............Oh ya
"I'm from the Govt. and I'm here to help"
Show me just one thing that the AMERICAN Govt. has done that has ever been productive. If they were a business they would have gone broke and been jailed years ago. But y'all are happy to jump on their bandwagon and ride their coat tails.....
Social Security is a ponzi scheme that makes Enron and Bernard Madoff look like angels.....
The postal service loses how much a year?
Postal Service Loses $1.6 Billion - U.S. BBB
US Postal Service loses 3.8 billion dollars, eyes new steps - Free .
OR ...AMTRAk....
Amtrak loses $32 per rider - NYPOST.com
Amtrak Subsidies: This is no Way to Run a Railroad |
Here are some of our GREAT BAIL outs...
GM loses $4.3 billion in last half of 2009 - USATODAY.com
AIG Loses $8.9 Billion, May Need More U.S. Aid - DailyFinance
Citigroup Loses $7.6 Billion on Costs to Repay U.S.
Bailout of U.S. Banks Gives British Rum a $2.7 Billion
Fannie Mae Loses $16.3 Billion and Requests More Aid - NYTimes.com
Then we took over student loans....
Student-loan reform slid into health law - Washington Times
We steal from our Native Americans
Billions Missing From U.S. Indian Trust Fund
Yes you libs jump in bed with this fine specimen of a top run ship.....
Sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite!!!!
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
BTS;1309174 wrote: What was that saying............Oh ya
"I'm from the Govt. and I'm here to help"
Show me just one thing that the AMERICAN Govt. has done that has ever been productive. If they were a business they would have gone broke and been jailed years ago. But y'all are happy to jump on their bandwagon and ride their coat tails.....
Social Security is a ponzi scheme that makes Enron and Bernard Madoff look like angels.....
The postal service loses how much a year?
Postal Service Loses $1.6 Billion - U.S. BBB
US Postal Service loses 3.8 billion dollars, eyes new steps - Free .
OR ...AMTRAk....
Amtrak loses $32 per rider - NYPOST.com
Amtrak Subsidies: This is no Way to Run a Railroad |
Here are some of our GREAT BAIL outs...
GM loses $4.3 billion in last half of 2009 - USATODAY.com
AIG Loses $8.9 Billion, May Need More U.S. Aid - DailyFinance
Citigroup Loses $7.6 Billion on Costs to Repay U.S.
Bailout of U.S. Banks Gives British Rum a $2.7 Billion
Fannie Mae Loses $16.3 Billion and Requests More Aid - NYTimes.com
Then we took over student loans....
Student-loan reform slid into health law - Washington Times
We steal from our Native Americans
Billions Missing From U.S. Indian Trust Fund
Yes you libs jump in bed with this fine specimen of a top run ship.....
Sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite!!!!
Not sure we are actually disagreeing. What you have in the states is corporatism where govt does things for the benefit of business rather than the people. - that's why you are in the shits. You don't have a welfare state or anything remotely like one. Nor do you have a political party that is left wing, one is just slightly less right wing than the other.
None of those things you mention would be viewed as liberal policies since it was interfering in the free market economy - not to regulate but to distort and prevent it functioning properly. The fannie mae one is a case in point, ( have you any idea how funny that name is to someone from the UK) allowing them to lend to people that couldn't afford it was just plain stupidity, anyone with half a brain could see what was going to happen, in fact many did but were ignored. I dont see why you think that was in any way a liberal policy because it quite clearly wasn't. nor could it be classed as capital since it was an action taken to pevent the free market operating properly.
However, bear in mind I am not an american so I would define a liberal in the classic sense
liberal
• adjective 1 willing to respect and accept behaviour or opinions different from one’s own. 2 (of a society, law, etc.) favourable to individual rights and freedoms. 3 (in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate reform. 4
It's pretty much the same meaning in american dictionaries so how americans equate liberal with oppression and state control is a mystery.
"I'm from the Govt. and I'm here to help"
Show me just one thing that the AMERICAN Govt. has done that has ever been productive. If they were a business they would have gone broke and been jailed years ago. But y'all are happy to jump on their bandwagon and ride their coat tails.....
Social Security is a ponzi scheme that makes Enron and Bernard Madoff look like angels.....
The postal service loses how much a year?
Postal Service Loses $1.6 Billion - U.S. BBB
US Postal Service loses 3.8 billion dollars, eyes new steps - Free .
OR ...AMTRAk....
Amtrak loses $32 per rider - NYPOST.com
Amtrak Subsidies: This is no Way to Run a Railroad |
Here are some of our GREAT BAIL outs...
GM loses $4.3 billion in last half of 2009 - USATODAY.com
AIG Loses $8.9 Billion, May Need More U.S. Aid - DailyFinance
Citigroup Loses $7.6 Billion on Costs to Repay U.S.
Bailout of U.S. Banks Gives British Rum a $2.7 Billion
Fannie Mae Loses $16.3 Billion and Requests More Aid - NYTimes.com
Then we took over student loans....
Student-loan reform slid into health law - Washington Times
We steal from our Native Americans
Billions Missing From U.S. Indian Trust Fund
Yes you libs jump in bed with this fine specimen of a top run ship.....
Sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite!!!!
Not sure we are actually disagreeing. What you have in the states is corporatism where govt does things for the benefit of business rather than the people. - that's why you are in the shits. You don't have a welfare state or anything remotely like one. Nor do you have a political party that is left wing, one is just slightly less right wing than the other.
None of those things you mention would be viewed as liberal policies since it was interfering in the free market economy - not to regulate but to distort and prevent it functioning properly. The fannie mae one is a case in point, ( have you any idea how funny that name is to someone from the UK) allowing them to lend to people that couldn't afford it was just plain stupidity, anyone with half a brain could see what was going to happen, in fact many did but were ignored. I dont see why you think that was in any way a liberal policy because it quite clearly wasn't. nor could it be classed as capital since it was an action taken to pevent the free market operating properly.
However, bear in mind I am not an american so I would define a liberal in the classic sense
liberal
• adjective 1 willing to respect and accept behaviour or opinions different from one’s own. 2 (of a society, law, etc.) favourable to individual rights and freedoms. 3 (in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate reform. 4
It's pretty much the same meaning in american dictionaries so how americans equate liberal with oppression and state control is a mystery.
McDonalds Happy Meal
gmc;1309199 wrote: It's pretty much the same meaning in american dictionaries so how americans equate liberal with oppression and state control is a mystery.
"Liberal" came from the religious sense of the words, AFAICT. For example, if someone is not an old-school traditional Christian, or interprets the Bible loosely, conservative Christians will call them a "liberal Christian." In that context it makes sense. They are more free, tolerant. Then politicians use these labels as code words to act like they are the better Christian. It's really about identity politics, and exploiting tribal divisions.
Unfortunately in the U.S. "conservative" Christians don't have a very good understanding of what their votes are even translating to on an economic level, and are helping bring about the very things they preach against. They've virtually ignored all the teachings of Jesus, and helped consolidate power. Like creating one big corrporation that owns everything, and virtually controlls all of government, and decides if you eat or live.
"Liberal" came from the religious sense of the words, AFAICT. For example, if someone is not an old-school traditional Christian, or interprets the Bible loosely, conservative Christians will call them a "liberal Christian." In that context it makes sense. They are more free, tolerant. Then politicians use these labels as code words to act like they are the better Christian. It's really about identity politics, and exploiting tribal divisions.
Unfortunately in the U.S. "conservative" Christians don't have a very good understanding of what their votes are even translating to on an economic level, and are helping bring about the very things they preach against. They've virtually ignored all the teachings of Jesus, and helped consolidate power. Like creating one big corrporation that owns everything, and virtually controlls all of government, and decides if you eat or live.
McDonalds Happy Meal
yaaarrrgg;1309219 wrote: "Liberal" came from the religious sense of the words, AFAICT. For example, if someone is not an old-school traditional Christian, or interprets the Bible loosely, conservative Christians will call them a "liberal Christian." In that context it makes sense. They are more free, tolerant. Then politicians use these labels as code words to act like they are the better Christian. It's really about identity politics, and exploiting tribal divisions.
Unfortunately in the U.S. "conservative" Christians don't have a very good understanding of what their votes are even translating to on an economic level, and are helping bring about the very things they preach against. They've virtually ignored all the teachings of Jesus, and helped consolidate power. Like creating one big corrporation that owns everything, and virtually controlls all of government, and decides if you eat or live.
You know what, I meant socialism instead of liberalism...
It fits what is happening to my country at this time.
I stand corrected
socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Unfortunately in the U.S. "conservative" Christians don't have a very good understanding of what their votes are even translating to on an economic level, and are helping bring about the very things they preach against. They've virtually ignored all the teachings of Jesus, and helped consolidate power. Like creating one big corrporation that owns everything, and virtually controlls all of government, and decides if you eat or live.
You know what, I meant socialism instead of liberalism...
It fits what is happening to my country at this time.
I stand corrected
socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
BTS;1309242 wrote: You know what, I meant socialism instead of liberalism...
It fits what is happening to my country at this time.
I stand corrected
socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
When applied to a government with moral fortitude this is the most productive and healthy state of being for all life in the Universe. It also says that countries that are not socialistic are equally as immoral. It's that simple
It fits what is happening to my country at this time.
I stand corrected
socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
When applied to a government with moral fortitude this is the most productive and healthy state of being for all life in the Universe. It also says that countries that are not socialistic are equally as immoral. It's that simple
McDonalds Happy Meal
K.Snyder;1309298 wrote: When applied to a government with moral fortitude this is the most productive and healthy state of being for all life in the Universe. It also says that countries that are not socialistic are equally as immoral. It's that simple
Sounds good to me...Butt (yes a BUTT monkey)
Show me the moral fortitude of our current govt. or any govt in the universe for that matter.
Why are so many ready to dump capitalism and back a corrupter govt. instead? I am bummfuzzled to say the least.
Is it the brainwashing they received in school? What's wrong with "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" with limited govt. as our founders supposed it in their infinite wisdom?
At least you are willing to debate and admit socialism, unlike the current administration.
In a world with perfect beings and infinite abundance, any economic or political system--socialism, capitalism, fascism, or communism--would work perfectly.
Sounds good to me...Butt (yes a BUTT monkey)
Show me the moral fortitude of our current govt. or any govt in the universe for that matter.
Why are so many ready to dump capitalism and back a corrupter govt. instead? I am bummfuzzled to say the least.
Is it the brainwashing they received in school? What's wrong with "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" with limited govt. as our founders supposed it in their infinite wisdom?
At least you are willing to debate and admit socialism, unlike the current administration.
In a world with perfect beings and infinite abundance, any economic or political system--socialism, capitalism, fascism, or communism--would work perfectly.
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
'Socialism' has become a meaningless label in the U.S. Most people who use the term don't understand that it's just extending more principals of democracy to economics. Some wealthy people don't like that, because it means they can't screw over everyone. Some non-wealthy people don't like the idea, because they've been brainwashed to believe that "democracy == oppressive state control"
McDonalds Happy Meal
BTS;1309369 wrote:
Why are so many ready to dump capitalism and back a corrupter govt. instead? I am bummfuzzled to say the least.
Is it the brainwashing they received in school? What's wrong with "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" with limited govt. as our founders supposed it in their infinite wisdom?
The Constitution is compatible with either economic system. Both at the state and national levels. If you read it, you'd know that.
Why are so many ready to dump capitalism and back a corrupter govt. instead? I am bummfuzzled to say the least.
Is it the brainwashing they received in school? What's wrong with "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" with limited govt. as our founders supposed it in their infinite wisdom?
The Constitution is compatible with either economic system. Both at the state and national levels. If you read it, you'd know that.
McDonalds Happy Meal
yaaarrrgg;1309377 wrote: The Constitution is compatible with either economic system. Both at the state and national levels. If you read it, you'd know that.
If I read it, I'd know that.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
I have it in my back pockett at all tymes.
So how does property rights and socialism line up?
U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Socialism
Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good.
The essential characteristic of socialism is the denial of individual property rights; under socialism, the right to property (which is the right of use and disposal) is vested in “society as a whole, i.e., in the collective, with production and distribution controlled by the state, i.e., by the government.
Socialism may be established by force, as in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics—or by vote, as in Nazi (National Socialist) Germany. The degree of socialization may be total, as in Russia—or partial, as in England. Theoretically, the differences are superficial; practically, they are only a matter of time. The basic principle, in all cases, is the same.
The alleged goals of socialism were: the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress, peace and human brotherhood. The results have been a terrifying failure—terrifying, that is, if one’s motive is men’s welfare.
Instead of prosperity, socialism has brought economic paralysis and/or collapse to every country that tried it. The degree of socialization has been the degree of disaster. The consequences have varied accordingly.
If I read it, I'd know that.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
I have it in my back pockett at all tymes.
So how does property rights and socialism line up?
U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Socialism
Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good.
The essential characteristic of socialism is the denial of individual property rights; under socialism, the right to property (which is the right of use and disposal) is vested in “society as a whole, i.e., in the collective, with production and distribution controlled by the state, i.e., by the government.
Socialism may be established by force, as in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics—or by vote, as in Nazi (National Socialist) Germany. The degree of socialization may be total, as in Russia—or partial, as in England. Theoretically, the differences are superficial; practically, they are only a matter of time. The basic principle, in all cases, is the same.
The alleged goals of socialism were: the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress, peace and human brotherhood. The results have been a terrifying failure—terrifying, that is, if one’s motive is men’s welfare.
Instead of prosperity, socialism has brought economic paralysis and/or collapse to every country that tried it. The degree of socialization has been the degree of disaster. The consequences have varied accordingly.
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
Look at Finland, for an example of a functioning social democracy.
McDonalds Happy Meal
Can we legislate every aspect of our lives? Why would we want to do that?
Doesn't "freedom" mean freedom to have bad habits, bad taste, and bad ideas too?
Attached files
Doesn't "freedom" mean freedom to have bad habits, bad taste, and bad ideas too?
Attached files
McDonalds Happy Meal
Saint_;1309415 wrote: Can we legislate every aspect of our lives? Why would we want to do that?
Doesn't "freedom" mean freedom to have bad habits, bad taste, and bad ideas too?
Freedom to make good choices or bad choices, but Freedom!
Doesn't "freedom" mean freedom to have bad habits, bad taste, and bad ideas too?
Freedom to make good choices or bad choices, but Freedom!
McDonalds Happy Meal
Zapata;1309421 wrote: Freedom to make good choices or bad choices, but Freedom!
Absolutely right. What next? A law against wearing brightly-colored Hawaiian shirts in public? A law against overweight people wearing spandex clothes?
(Well...OK, I might be for that one...):o
Absolutely right. What next? A law against wearing brightly-colored Hawaiian shirts in public? A law against overweight people wearing spandex clothes?
(Well...OK, I might be for that one...):o
McDonalds Happy Meal
yaaarrrgg;1309401 wrote: Look at Finland, for an example of a functioning social democracy.
I would call Finland a "capitalist democracy" not a "social democracy".
Please note that the US slaps those evil corporations harder than Finland does!!
US tax rates
US
Income Tax Rate 35%
US
Corporate Tax Rate 35%
US
Sales Tax / VAT Rate (average state tax) 8%
FINLAND tax rates
Finland
Income Tax Rate 51%
Finland
Corporate Tax Rate 21%
Finland
Sales Tax / VAT Rate 22%
I would call Finland a "capitalist democracy" not a "social democracy".
Please note that the US slaps those evil corporations harder than Finland does!!
US tax rates
US
Income Tax Rate 35%
US
Corporate Tax Rate 35%
US
Sales Tax / VAT Rate (average state tax) 8%
FINLAND tax rates
Finland
Income Tax Rate 51%
Finland
Corporate Tax Rate 21%
Finland
Sales Tax / VAT Rate 22%
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
McDonalds Happy Meal
Zapata;1309421 wrote: Freedom to make good choices or bad choices, but Freedom!
Not so much freedom for a small group of parents who want healthier food choices for their kids. Nor freedom for purchasers of health insurance, who will end up having to pay the medical bills of obese kids and adults.
Not so much freedom for a small group of parents who want healthier food choices for their kids. Nor freedom for purchasers of health insurance, who will end up having to pay the medical bills of obese kids and adults.
McDonalds Happy Meal
BTS;1309432 wrote: I would call Finland a "capitalist democracy" not a "social democracy".
Please note that the US slaps those evil corporations harder than Finland does!!
It's a hybrid of capitalism and socialism (the state provides health care, education, social security):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
Please note that the US slaps those evil corporations harder than Finland does!!
It's a hybrid of capitalism and socialism (the state provides health care, education, social security):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
McDonalds Happy Meal
yaaarrrgg;1309458 wrote: Not so much freedom for a small group of parents who want healthier food choices for their kids. Nor freedom for purchasers of health insurance, who will end up having to pay the medical bills of obese kids and adults.
But there is nothing to prevent those conscientious parents from making healthy choices for their children. They have the right to do that. You make a good point about paying the medical bills for obese kids and adults. I don't like that idea just as I don't like the idea of paying the medical bills for Mexican citizens who have never worked or lived in this country but it's happening on a daily basis.
But there is nothing to prevent those conscientious parents from making healthy choices for their children. They have the right to do that. You make a good point about paying the medical bills for obese kids and adults. I don't like that idea just as I don't like the idea of paying the medical bills for Mexican citizens who have never worked or lived in this country but it's happening on a daily basis.
McDonalds Happy Meal
Well it's been quite a while since last having Micky-D's. Anyway, during a weak moment last month, we had Micky-D's for a convienent quick snack. The wife had a Big Mac, & moi a quarter pounder. I must say they were the worst burgers we have had in a long time!!! The so called burgers seemed to be made out of some "mystery meat", looking grayish, & they sure did not taste like any kind of familiar beef. We will never, ever, do a Micky-D's run again!!! (Never say never, but in this case, it will be never!)
Cars 
McDonalds Happy Meal
BTS;1309369 wrote: Sounds good to me...Butt (yes a BUTT monkey)
Show me the moral fortitude of our current govt. or any govt in the universe for that matter.
Why are so many ready to dump capitalism and back a corrupter govt. instead? I am bummfuzzled to say the least.
Is it the brainwashing they received in school? What's wrong with "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" with limited govt. as our founders supposed it in their infinite wisdom?
At least you are willing to debate and admit socialism, unlike the current administration.
In a world with perfect beings and infinite abundance, any economic or political system--socialism, capitalism, fascism, or communism--would work perfectly. Capitalism is as moral as it's inability to use currency. "Butt (yes a BUTT monkey)" you'd have to not be a "BUTT monkey" to know that
Show me the moral fortitude of our current govt. or any govt in the universe for that matter.
Why are so many ready to dump capitalism and back a corrupter govt. instead? I am bummfuzzled to say the least.
Is it the brainwashing they received in school? What's wrong with "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" with limited govt. as our founders supposed it in their infinite wisdom?
At least you are willing to debate and admit socialism, unlike the current administration.
In a world with perfect beings and infinite abundance, any economic or political system--socialism, capitalism, fascism, or communism--would work perfectly. Capitalism is as moral as it's inability to use currency. "Butt (yes a BUTT monkey)" you'd have to not be a "BUTT monkey" to know that