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gmc;1363134 wrote: ‪TEA PARTY CONVENTION - Sarah Palin, Orly Taitz, Interviews with Participants‬‏ - YouTube



OK I'll concede you tube videos may give a somewhat distorted picture but are the tea party calling for higher taxes for wealthy individuals and companies rather than cut back on things like social security? In Greece, spain portugal the populace are almost baying for blood over the financial mess.
The Tea Party is not an organization, it is a fiction. It was a grassroots movement, but has since been co-opted & copyrighted by the Republican Party. It's nothing more than a brand name now. It doesn't remotely resemble the original anymore.

Our "Social Security" is separately funded by its own tax.

gmc;1363275 wrote: What's happening now? On the face of it it seems the republicans are just being absolutely bloody minded no matter what the consequences are. GW Bush cut taxes and increased spending surely the obvious answer is to increase taxes to at least the level they were and cut military spending. Why still have bases in europe for instance?
This whole debt ceiling charade is a kabuki for the masses. The ceiling will be raised, any meaningful promises will be placed so far out in the future that Washington will find some excuse to ignore them, and taxes will be raised enough to make a claim at election time without hurting the corporate sponsors. Either that, or Obama will reinterpret the 14th Amendment and unilaterally raise the ceiling himself, giving precedent for any and all subsequent presidents to do the same ... and you can bet your ass that they will. You won't see a Repub president saying "Oh no! That's an abuse of the office and I won't do it." At most, he'll say "Hey don't blame me. They started it."

Both Repubs and Dems will say anything to keep getting votes, and do anything to keep getting campaign contributions.

Both Repubs and Dems will cooperate to keep any real competition out of any election.

Both Repubs and Dems will increase the size of government and its reach into our personal lives. They don't undo each other's work.

Accountable;1363280 wrote: This whole debt ceiling charade is a kabuki for the masses. The ceiling will be raised, any meaningful promises will be placed so far out in the future that Washington will find some excuse to ignore them, and taxes will be raised enough to make a claim at election time without hurting the corporate sponsors. Either that, or Obama will reinterpret the 14th Amendment and unilaterally raise the ceiling himself, giving precedent for any and all subsequent presidents to do the same ... and you can bet your ass that they will. You won't see a Repub president saying "Oh no! That's an abuse of the office and I won't do it." At most, he'll say "Hey don't blame me. They started it."

Both Repubs and Dems will say anything to keep getting votes, and do anything to keep getting campaign contributions.

Both Repubs and Dems will cooperate to keep any real competition out of any election.

Both Repubs and Dems will increase the size of government and its reach into our personal lives. They don't undo each other's work.I'd like to know how this works. Since both parties are basically working together and essentially aiding one another, who are each party working on? IOW, are the democrats convincing the well educated (elite) and the republicans working on the blue collar segment? How is it broken up in your opinion? Class?

Also, who is it you believe both parties are working for?

When Tony Blair and the labour party got elected people were literally dancing in the streets so happy were people to see the back of the Tories, what we actually got was something far worse. I think it's turning out the same in the states with Obama - not that I make any claim to actually understand american politics or even americans. . Whoever the politicians are working for on either side of the atlantic they're not really working in the long term interests of anybody. Having defeated fascism in ww2 we now both have fascist governments with powerful,interests pulling the strings on our politicians rather than those who vote for them. It's not the left you need to worry about it's the right, it always has been.