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If the benefits rules can be tightened without the consequences I spoke of - a measurable increase in deaths and children forced into institutional care - then by all means bring it on. I don't think the right-wing religious fundamentalist pro-nuclear-family advocates would care, they'd regard it as a just punishment for sin, and they're the ones pushing the policy of pressuring people into marriage before starting a family.

Lancing a boil causes mess and discomfort, it isn't taken on lightly, the relief for all involved is worth it.

Wow acceptance of colateral damage? Well I hope it's not you two .

... or rather, how things haven't changed...

My daughter and her two friends (aged 8-9) are into playing 'weddings' at the moment. I sat chuckling to myself as I overheard the 'vicar' say to the 'bride',

"Do you take this man to be your awful wedded husband" :wah:

The three girls were going to great pains to ensure there was a bride and groom, obviously, a bride's father and a vicar, so obviously one had to take on two roles. Great play was made over the father handing over the bride to the groom, with the 'father' physically manhandling the 'bride' into the hands of the 'groom' who then physically held on to her.

Isn't it curious that these young girls in their role play managed to play out the fact that the 'bride' constantly belongs to someone, first the father then the groom. Not a lot has changed there then :-2

This led me to think about the whole marriage ceremony, most couples have dropped the 'love, honour and obey' from the vows in a protest against women being controlled by a man. However, no one seems to protest at the fact that even now a father still walks his daughter down the isle and then physically hands over possession of his daughter to the groom. Why aren't independent women marching themselves down the isle, actually no, the couple should meet at the church door, join hands and walk together as equals to mark the beginning of their commitment to one another.

I eloped but remember the vows and the justice of the peace who put in religious readings much more than a minister.

ellieR;1373537 wrote: I eloped but remember the vows and the justice of the peace who put in religious readings much more than a minister.


Do you mind me asking - for romantic or practical reasons?

We were going to get married in a church but then we broke up before that was planned. We made up and got back together after several months. We talked it over and thought it would be easier and more fun to elope. It was in Nevada so we went to shows and gambled. We won some jackpots which paid for our stay and then went home to tell our families and they were delighted. They did plan a party for us and we received some gifts. I think it was more romantic.

ellieR;1373544 wrote: We were going to get married in a church but then we broke up before that was planned. We made up and got back together after several months. We talked it over and thought it would be easier and more fun to elope. It was in Nevada so we went to shows and gambled. We won some jackpots which paid for our stay and then went home to tell our families and they were delighted. They did plan a party for us and we received some gifts. I think it was more romantic.


It sounds very romantic and I hope your marriage continues to be an adventure for the two of you.