Pronunciation what is happening ?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:53 am

gmc;1394252 wrote:

So if german lady tells you her name is angle-a don't be rude and tell her she doesn't speak properly.

If it was the German lady telling me I wouldn't be rude.

I have conceded that it was a foreign pronunciation, but why the likes of Newcassle get the local pronunciation treatment I don't know.

I wouldn't knowingly mispronounce Grand Tully or Woolwich etc but some words pronounced in the local dialect are just an affectation.

Anyone hazard a guess at how Grand Tully is pronounced locally ?

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:28 am

Bruv;1394258 wrote: If it was the German lady telling me I wouldn't be rude.

I have conceded that it was a foreign pronunciation, but why the likes of Newcassle get the local pronunciation treatment I don't know.

I wouldn't knowingly mispronounce Grand Tully or Woolwich etc but some words pronounced in the local dialect are just an affectation.

Anyone hazard a guess at how Grand Tully is pronounced locally ?

I'll go with...Grained To lie

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:33 am

Bryn Mawr;1394256 wrote: I blame S&G

I would too if I knew what that meant.

I was talking to a co-worker years ago about the movie "Home Alone" and she kept saying "Karl Malone?" Like, four times. For one thing, why the hell would I mention a basketball player when we're talking about movies and ARE YOU AN IDIOT!?!

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu May 24, 2012 1:07 pm

posted by bruv

I wouldn't knowingly mispronounce Grand Tully or Woolwich etc but some words pronounced in the local dialect are just an affectation.

Local dialect an affectation!!! Please don't tell me you think we should all use received pronunciation and forget our regional accents. Most of us adapt our speech to suit who we are talking to in order to be understood without thinking about it - we all have a telephone voice - it's not a big deal. I'm not a geordie but I suspect telling one he is not pronouncing Newcastle correctly is asking for them to be very rude to you. The local pronunciation is the correct one imo - would you think it OK to tell a Parisian they should be saying pariss and not paree? Most amnericans can't speak proper English they use a local dialect called american English - good luck on telling them they talk funny. Edinburgh is pronounced edinburrrra. Most english people have that same speech defect and pronounce it edinbuwwa americans call it edinboro apart from sounding funny and vaguely effeminate nobody bothers.

theia · Post by **theia** » Thu May 24, 2012 2:40 pm

gmc;1394263 wrote: posted by bruv

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Local dialect an affectation!!! Please don't tell me you think we should all use received pronunciation and forget our regional accents. Most of us adapt our speech to suit who we are talking to in order to be understood without thinking about it - we all have a telephone voice - it's not a big deal. I'm not a geordie but I suspect telling one he is not pronouncing Newcastle correctly is asking for them to be very rude to you. The local pronunciation is the correct one imo - would you think it OK to tell a Parisian they should be saying pariss and not paree? Most amnericans can't speak proper English they use a local dialect called american English - good luck on telling them they talk funny. Edinburgh is pronounced edinburrrra. Most english people have that same speech defect and pronounce it edinbuwwa americans call it edinboro apart from sounding funny and vaguely effeminate nobody bothers.

I interpreted Bruv's post as talking about "outsiders" using the local dialect as seemingly an affectation

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu May 24, 2012 2:45 pm

So did I but it's always fun watching him bitch about Americans.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu May 24, 2012 3:09 pm

gmc;1394263 wrote:

Local dialect an affectation!!!......I'm not a geordie but I suspect telling one he is not pronouncing Newcastle correctly is asking for them to be very rude to you. The local pronunciation is the correct one imo

Who's side are you on now ?

I thought that was the way I was thinking ?

The correct way is the local way......the local way to say Newcastle in London is.....New Carsel, not Newcassel. I love different local accents, and long may they reign, but when we all start speaking the same way, regional accents will die out.

When I start talking about Noo yoyke...........shoot me.

Oh yes Grand Tully.....I got it wrong it is Grandtully. The locals say Grantley

And that is the way I say it too.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu May 24, 2012 3:11 pm

theia;1394266 wrote: I interpreted Bruv's post as talking about "outsiders" using the local dialect as seemingly an affectation

I can't wowl my rrrrr's like the Scots anyway.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu May 24, 2012 6:43 pm

SnoozeAgain;1394255 wrote: My middle name is Celia and I can't tell you how many people will say "Cecelia?" Yes, that's it... I've been saying it wrong all these years.
Stuttering is common. :sneaky:

theia · Post by **theia** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:02 pm

Bruv;1394269 wrote: I can't wowl my rrrrr's like the Scots anyway.

Neither could my partner with whom I lived in the Highlands some years ago. But this didn't stop him trying. He spoke very "poshly" with a South African twang, which was very pleasant...until he attempted his local "speak" when pronouncing a Scottish name or place. It sounded so affected and odd that I wanted the earth to open up and whisk me into the depths.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri May 25, 2012 12:38 am

Bruv;1394268 wrote: Who's side are you on now ?

I thought that was the way I was thinking ?

The correct way is the local way......the local way to say Newcastle in London is.....New Carsel, not Newcassel. I love different local accents, and long may they reign, but when we all start speaking the same way, regional accents will die out.

When I start talking about Noo yoyke...........shoot me.

Oh yes Grand Tully.....I got it wrong it is Grandtully. The locals say Grantley

And that is the way I say it too.

I am on the side of truth and justice :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl The correct way I would say is the geordie way - just because londoners talk funny doesn't mean you need to copy them. Regional accents won't really die out but regional dialects are already, most people are have phrases and ways of expressing things peculiar to where they grew up, move away from home or a community or industry comes to an end and they become redundant.

I can't wowl my rrrrr's like the Scots anyway.

Being scots I find it really hard not to roll them. i always remember being really impressed by annie lennox singing who's that girl I cannot for the life of me say that word without rolling the r.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:07 am

theia;1394292 wrote: Neither could my partner with whom I lived in the Highlands some years ago. But this didn't stop him trying. He spoke very "poshly" with a South African twang, which was very pleasant...until he attempted his local "speak" when pronouncing a Scottish name or place. It sounded so affected and odd that I wanted the earth to open up and whisk me into the depths.

My daughter has lived in Scotland for about 20 years, she still speaks estuary English, my other daughter in the States for 5 years has a distinct American twang.

I have been asked if I am South African, perhaps my London accent has merged with the Kentish one.

There was a South African Gillie where my daughter lived funnily enough.......Could drink like a fish........maybe I know you.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Fri May 25, 2012 12:27 pm

SnoozeAgain;1394260 wrote: I would too if I knew what that meant.

I was talking to a co-worker years ago about the movie "Home Alone" and she kept saying "Karl Malone?" Like, four times. For one thing, why the hell would I mention a basketball player when we're talking about movies and ARE YOU AN IDIOT!?!

Simon and Garfunkle?

Post by **Betty Boop** » Fri May 25, 2012 12:41 pm

Bryn Mawr;1394348 wrote: Simon and Garfunkle?

That was a typo, right? :wah:

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Fri May 25, 2012 2:10 pm

Betty Boop;1394349 wrote: That was a typo, right? :wah:

Nope - a genuine spelling mistake 'cos I don't know how.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:58 pm

Bryn Mawr;1394348 wrote: Simon and Garfunkle? It's Garfunkel

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:14 pm

I cannae be fashed with all this concern about pronunciation the ending of local dialects. Language changes and adapts over time and takes on new words almost daily, English more so than most which is one of the reasons it has become so pervasive in the world, clinging to outmoded forms of speech ain't in our nature so why worry about it so long as we can understand each other. Estuary English? is that the same as mockney?

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sat May 26, 2012 7:23 am

I'd pay money to hear a Scot say burrito.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun May 27, 2012 6:08 am

I'd pay money to hear a Scot say burrito.

It might be harder to get him to stop. Actually, just start up a chainsaw and you won't be far off.:sneaky: