There's nothing wrong with not believing/or trusting our medical society which pushes pills.
We're pill happy here in the US - not sure if it's the same in the UK.
Certainly there are meds - life saving meds necessary for ones life time as the insulin you mentioned & many others.
As I stated to Oscar - I've already allowed Doctor's to make me a Guinea Pig. Presc. for birth control, which I didn't take - I actually had a tumor the size of a football growing on the outside of my uterus.
15 surgerys later - I do know what I'm talking about - strong willed or misunderstood
doesn't make ones opinion wrong. Doesn't make ones position wrong.
Yes, I've gone more natural healing - listen to your body -I don't ignore signs of discomfort/pain etc. no, I'm not a pill popper
This thread is about a Morning After Pill that will be distributed to children - over the counter available with no restrictions or supervision - that's not OK with me.
This pill won't protect them from STD's -
This is just a mess of a decision for many reasons.
But - We're a pill popping society in the fast fix lane.
Patsy
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Oh come on now, I nowhere said your opinion was wrong
and I didn't misunderstand you!
And for goodness sake... take that deep breath I suggested earlier.
and I didn't misunderstand you!
And for goodness sake... take that deep breath I suggested earlier.
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Accountable;1423856 wrote: I misspoke (or mis-wrote). It was a loaded question, not leading. Your question "Why should it not be available on demand and what right does any politician have to deny it?" presumed that I support that it not be made available on demand, and that a politician has a right to deny it. You do that a lot, and it's very irritating. It seems that regardless of how many conversations we have, you've got your preconceptions that will never be swayed. Anything I say that conflicts with your paradigm is simply ignored or forgotten.
I don't understand where you are coming from on this. I don't know where you stand on the issue hence the question. I would, however, tend to assume that you think politicians should not be imposing their own religious morality on other people. I enjoy your posts because I don't agree with a lot of them but you are mistaken if you think I am just trying to wind you up.
Leaving aside medical questions for a moment when it comes to deciding whether and to whom the morning after pill or indeed any form of contraception should be available to is not something politicians should be deciding for people yet you have many who object to the morning after pill on the grounds that it encourages promiscuity. They believe that to be the case so end of discussion so far as they are concerned.
In the states you have politicians actively trying to end family planning and the free availability of contraceptives on moral grounds. I think that's very wrong when and if a woman becomes pregnant it is not something they should be dictating interfering in. It's religious belief deciding crucial issues and imposing that belief even on those who do not share them.
As to the causes of the rise in infertility rather than blaming the pill maybe take a close look at what is in your diet. The eu and US are at war over the use of hormones in american beef. We ban their use and don't want them in imported beef the US bleats unfair competition.
Growth Hormones Fed to Beef Cattle Damage Human Health
The scientists compared sperm concentrations and quality among the men born to women in the high and low beef consumption groups. They found that:
* Sperm concentration (volume) was 24.3 percent higher in the sons of mothers in the "low" beef consumption group.
* Almost 18 percent of the sons born to women in the high beef consumption group had sperm concentrations below the World Health Organization threshold for subfertility Â* about three-times more than in the sons of women in the low consumption group.
The authors concluded that Â*
"These findings suggest that maternal beef consumption is associated with lower sperm concentration and possible subfertility, associations that may be related to the presence of anabolic steroids and other xenobiotics in beef."
Samuel S. Epstein: Hormones in U.S. Beef
These concerns are not new. As evidenced in a series of General Accountability Office investigations and Congressional hearings, FDA residue-tolerance programs and USDA inspections are in near total disarray, aggravated by brazen denials and cover-ups.
A January 1986 report, "Human Food Safety and the Regulation of Animal Drugs," unanimously approved by the House Committee on Government Operations, concluded that "the FDA has consistently disregarded its responsibility - has repeatedly put what is perceives are interests of veterinarians and the livestock industry ahead of its legal obligation to protect consumers, thus jeopardizing the health and safety of consumers of meat, milk and poultry.
Based on these concerns, Europe banned imports of U.S. beef in 1989, and Japan followed up with its own ban in 2003. Before the ban, Japan was the most lucrative overseas market for American beef, importing more than $1.5 billion worth in 2002.
I don't understand where you are coming from on this. I don't know where you stand on the issue hence the question. I would, however, tend to assume that you think politicians should not be imposing their own religious morality on other people. I enjoy your posts because I don't agree with a lot of them but you are mistaken if you think I am just trying to wind you up.
Leaving aside medical questions for a moment when it comes to deciding whether and to whom the morning after pill or indeed any form of contraception should be available to is not something politicians should be deciding for people yet you have many who object to the morning after pill on the grounds that it encourages promiscuity. They believe that to be the case so end of discussion so far as they are concerned.
In the states you have politicians actively trying to end family planning and the free availability of contraceptives on moral grounds. I think that's very wrong when and if a woman becomes pregnant it is not something they should be dictating interfering in. It's religious belief deciding crucial issues and imposing that belief even on those who do not share them.
As to the causes of the rise in infertility rather than blaming the pill maybe take a close look at what is in your diet. The eu and US are at war over the use of hormones in american beef. We ban their use and don't want them in imported beef the US bleats unfair competition.
Growth Hormones Fed to Beef Cattle Damage Human Health
The scientists compared sperm concentrations and quality among the men born to women in the high and low beef consumption groups. They found that:
* Sperm concentration (volume) was 24.3 percent higher in the sons of mothers in the "low" beef consumption group.
* Almost 18 percent of the sons born to women in the high beef consumption group had sperm concentrations below the World Health Organization threshold for subfertility Â* about three-times more than in the sons of women in the low consumption group.
The authors concluded that Â*
"These findings suggest that maternal beef consumption is associated with lower sperm concentration and possible subfertility, associations that may be related to the presence of anabolic steroids and other xenobiotics in beef."
Samuel S. Epstein: Hormones in U.S. Beef
These concerns are not new. As evidenced in a series of General Accountability Office investigations and Congressional hearings, FDA residue-tolerance programs and USDA inspections are in near total disarray, aggravated by brazen denials and cover-ups.
A January 1986 report, "Human Food Safety and the Regulation of Animal Drugs," unanimously approved by the House Committee on Government Operations, concluded that "the FDA has consistently disregarded its responsibility - has repeatedly put what is perceives are interests of veterinarians and the livestock industry ahead of its legal obligation to protect consumers, thus jeopardizing the health and safety of consumers of meat, milk and poultry.
Based on these concerns, Europe banned imports of U.S. beef in 1989, and Japan followed up with its own ban in 2003. Before the ban, Japan was the most lucrative overseas market for American beef, importing more than $1.5 billion worth in 2002.
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gmc;1424176 wrote: I don't understand where you are coming from on this. I don't know where you stand on the issue hence the question. I would, however, tend to assume that you think politicians should not be imposing their own religious morality on other people. I enjoy your posts because I don't agree with a lot of them but you are mistaken if you think I am just trying to wind you up. Thanks for the compliment. If your question was a rhetorical one just to state your opinion then of course I agree. It just struck me wrong, I guess.
gmc;1424176 wrote: Leaving aside medical questions for a moment when it comes to deciding whether and to whom the morning after pill or indeed any form of contraception should be available to is not something politicians should be deciding for people yet you have many who object to the morning after pill on the grounds that it encourages promiscuity. They believe that to be the case so end of discussion so far as they are concerned. Agreed.
gmc;1424176 wrote: In the states you have politicians actively trying to end family planning and the free availability of contraceptives on moral grounds. I think that's very wrong when and if a woman becomes pregnant it is not something they should be dictating interfering in. It's religious belief deciding crucial issues and imposing that belief even on those who do not share them. You're wrong here. In the States we have politicians actively trying to end federal funding of contraceptives, abortions, etc. Most if not all of those activists do so on moral grounds, but no one is calling to to stop private organizations from providing free contraceptives or other services, with the notable exception of abortions. A few might want to outlaw contraceptives, but I doubt it is more than that.
gmc;1424176 wrote: As to the causes of the rise in infertility rather than blaming the pill maybe take a close look at what is in your diet. The eu and US are at war over the use of hormones in american beef. We ban their use and don't want them in imported beef the US bleats unfair competition.
Growth Hormones Fed to Beef Cattle Damage Human Health
Samuel S. Epstein: Hormones in U.S. BeefI can't speak to that at all.
gmc;1424176 wrote: Leaving aside medical questions for a moment when it comes to deciding whether and to whom the morning after pill or indeed any form of contraception should be available to is not something politicians should be deciding for people yet you have many who object to the morning after pill on the grounds that it encourages promiscuity. They believe that to be the case so end of discussion so far as they are concerned. Agreed.
gmc;1424176 wrote: In the states you have politicians actively trying to end family planning and the free availability of contraceptives on moral grounds. I think that's very wrong when and if a woman becomes pregnant it is not something they should be dictating interfering in. It's religious belief deciding crucial issues and imposing that belief even on those who do not share them. You're wrong here. In the States we have politicians actively trying to end federal funding of contraceptives, abortions, etc. Most if not all of those activists do so on moral grounds, but no one is calling to to stop private organizations from providing free contraceptives or other services, with the notable exception of abortions. A few might want to outlaw contraceptives, but I doubt it is more than that.
gmc;1424176 wrote: As to the causes of the rise in infertility rather than blaming the pill maybe take a close look at what is in your diet. The eu and US are at war over the use of hormones in american beef. We ban their use and don't want them in imported beef the US bleats unfair competition.
Growth Hormones Fed to Beef Cattle Damage Human Health
Samuel S. Epstein: Hormones in U.S. BeefI can't speak to that at all.
Morning after pill
gmc;1424176 wrote: As to the causes of the rise in infertility rather than blaming the pill maybe take a close look at what is in your diet. The eu and US are at war over the use of hormones in american beef. We ban their use and don't want them in imported beef the US bleats unfair competition.It is also possible that infertility may be a natural biological response to environment, i.e. overpopulation; anxiety; depleted resources; climate change, etc...
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
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Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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gmc
Don't talk to me about hormones...:wah:
Hormones dangerous -contributes- of course
I didn't realise the import of beef had stopped.?
Ahso
environment - dangerous - contributes- of course.
interesting fact when it comes to Flu shots - vaccinations - we're all given the same dose.
the same amount it given to Johnny & Sally - but Johnny isn't doing well.? huh?
If you visit any Children's Hospital - see a baby strapped to a container/bath of Ice screaming his head off, his temperature is 107 and rising - he just had his baby shots.
I wore ear plugs
Patsy
Don't talk to me about hormones...:wah:
Hormones dangerous -contributes- of course
I didn't realise the import of beef had stopped.?
Ahso
environment - dangerous - contributes- of course.
interesting fact when it comes to Flu shots - vaccinations - we're all given the same dose.
the same amount it given to Johnny & Sally - but Johnny isn't doing well.? huh?
If you visit any Children's Hospital - see a baby strapped to a container/bath of Ice screaming his head off, his temperature is 107 and rising - he just had his baby shots.
I wore ear plugs
Patsy