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It is complete nonsense that Thatcher only looked after the wealthy.

Her Right To Buy Policy benefited no -one other than the working man who she listened to about wanting to own their own home and not be subservient to the state. As It happens, she did not envisage the shortage of affordable housing and the effect on Greenbelt It would have In future generations but at the time, her heart was In the right place and It was Labour who were against the scheme.

When she was elected In 1979 It was partly due to a 11% swing from skilled manual workers and 9% from unskilled workers who were sick to death of trade union militancy.

I for one hope to line the route for her at her funeral

oscar;1424099 wrote:

Her Right To Buy Policy benefited no -one other than the working man who she listened to about wanting to own their own home and not be subservient to the state.




Do you seriously believe that ? seriously

Bruv;1424112 wrote: Do you seriously believe that ? seriously It boosted the economy and got banks lending. Something she had to do with a stagnant property market.

posted by patsy Warnick

Is the majority in the UK anti Thatcher? I'm just curious - - I didn't know?




The first past the post electoral system distorts the wishes of the electorate. What happens is the least unpopular candidate wins. You can, for example get a situation where one party gets 35% of the votes cast, another 29% and the rest split between the other parties. The candidate with 35% gets the seat. Put another way 55% of the voters don't want him representing them but they are stuck with whoever it is.

Throughout thatchers time in power her party never had more than 30-40% of the overall vote (guessing here I haven;t bothered looking up he accurate figures. Put another way the vast majority of the country opposed her. It was the same when Blair was in power, the majority did not actually want a labour government.

posted by oscar

The fact that Thatcher won a landslide re-election in 1983 spoke volumes... the people of Britain returned her to power


Hardly a landslide 58% voted against her.

1983 UK General election results, manifestos, PMs biography | UK Political Info

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | The Basics | past_elections | 1983: Thatcher triumphs again

She had performed the unusual feat of winning re-election, despite the mass unemployment her battle against inflation had seen.

But Thatcher took fewer votes than in 1979. Her landslide was caused by the almost equal split in support between Labour and the SDP-Liberal Alliance.






What did maggie and jimmy saville have in common - they both liked to screw mine(o)rs

posted by patsy warnick

Grumps

OMG the song

Did it take you all night to put that together..?

OK - tells us how you really feel.

Patsy


Have a look at you tube, it's quite liekely one of the versions will hit number one in the download charts.

You must think we are terrible, I'm afraid political discussion in the UK is often less than polite. We do not give a great deal of respect to someone just because they have been prime minister, the position is in no way comparable to an american president they are supposedly no more than Primus inter pares, first amongst equals with parliament the sovereign power

It's bad enough she is getting a state funeral without us paying for it. It's as if they want to rub everybody's faces in it.

gmc;1424117 wrote:



It's bad enough she is getting a state funeral without us paying for it. It's as if they want to rub everybody's faces in it. She's not having a State Funeral Numbnutts...been reading the Beano again

oscar;1424081 wrote: Tough times, tough measures.

Personal animosity Is what led Blair to Invade Iraq wasn't It ?


No. Tough times need a measured and well thought out response, not two egotists battling for supremacy with the countries welfare at stake.

Maybe so but it was not Blair's animosity - his fault was to follow the wrong lead.

oscar;1424118 wrote: She's not having a State Funeral Numbnutts...been reading the Beano again


The official nomencliture is irrelevant - who is paying for it?

oscar;1424118 wrote: She's not having a State Funeral Numbnutts...been reading the Beano again


I like Derek hatton's suggestion. Privatise it.

OK so she is not lying in state If we are paying for it it's a state funeral play with semantics all you want. The Queen has avoided attending the funerals of all her prime ministers, apart from Churchill, who had led the national government of a united Britain in the great common struggle against Nazi Germany. This is why he was the sole exception to the rule that former prime ministers do not get state funerals. She didn't attend that of clement atlee who has a claim to beung a transformational prime minister perhaps even greater than maggies - he ws the one who brought in the welfare state and the NHS.

Prime ministers in the UK are not heads of state they should not get state funerals, churchill was an understandable exception.

Bryn Mawr;1424127 wrote: The official nomencliture is irrelevant - who is paying for it?


You know what Bryn ?

I can not believe some of the hatred shown towards the woman. Does It really matter that much? The broader picture Is that It will be televised all over the world bringing In revenue.

It's unspeakable that vile teenagers are burning pictures of her In the streets. Teenagers who never lived through the Winter Of Discontent let alone her reforms and were not even born.

Who hands down that kind of hatred Into young people and for what?

A true tolerant being would accept that while they believed her policies were destructive, the country did actually vote her In 3 times and tolerance Is accepting that some people may actually have a different opinion to theirs.

I feel pity for the haters, so wrapped up In the past, re-living decades old policies and simmering with rage and resentment, Instead of looking to the future.

Yes she should have a State Funeral unlike other PM's simply because her achievements far outweighed those others. She was a Stateswoman who on the world stage was a diplomat. She ended the Cold war, stood up to the IRA, and never cow towed to Argentina....The Lady deserves It.

Oscar

this is happening the burning of pictures in the streets? near riot or riot attitude?

Oh My

I'm trying to find some news

I'm sorry - I wasn't expecting that. very surprised

Patsy

Patsy Warnick;1424137 wrote: Oscar

this is happening the burning of pictures in the streets? near riot or riot attitude?

Oh My

I'm trying to find some news

I'm sorry - I wasn't expecting that. very surprised

Patsy


Margaret Thatcher death parties: The Left's sick 'celebration' on Brixton's streets | Mail Online

Disgusting and vile... note the people In the photo's are not even old enough to have been born during her reign...It's the same example as The recent riots following the shooting of Marc Duggan... just any excuse to pitch battle with the police... They don't even know what they are having a riot for? Pathetic morons.

And the best bit ??? These chavs will go home to the council house their parents bought thanks to Thatcher.

No, actually, the best bit, Is these moronic chavs are now costing the tax payer a million In police and emergency services to deal with them.

OMG

They call it Death Partys

I really don't know what to say - (that could be a 1st):wah:

The pics actually made me tear up - I'm shocked

She hasn't been in office for years - I just don't get it.

I'm sorry - this sickens me.

Patsy

Patsy Warnick;1424139 wrote: OMG

They call it Death Partys

I really don't know what to say - (that could be a 1st):wah:

The pics actually made me tear up - I'm shocked

She hasn't been in office for years - I just don't get it.

I'm sorry - this sickens me.

Patsy
Vitriolic hatred spawned by a generation passing on hate to children....Embittered angry souls living In a past generation full of hatred and simmering resentment.

Coal Miners Union Chief Arthur Scargill held our country to ransom with continual strike action. He hired Flying Picketts to bully and batter anyone who wouldn't strike, what he called Scabs...Yet Ironically, at the time, miners were the highest paid semi skilled workers In the country.He refused concessions under the previous Prime Minister but the hatred Is for Thatcher because Yes, she firmly believed he was solely responsible for lack of Investment due to his militancy. She would not barter and Yes, she destroyed him and the unions Including shutting down the coal mines.

Then you have the Misogynistic Left who just can't deal with the greatest Stateswoman In the world being a woman.... Thatcher Inspired generations of women to run for Government.

There won't be riots at her funeral.... The Royal Family are attending and they won't get within a mile of her.... Peter and I are hoping to line the streets when she's taken on route.

The Louve has been closed. Employees walked off the job due to lack of security and they are at risk

News annouced - voilence - gangs and visitors safety was at risk.

I watched them pack up Mona.

I was at the Louve 1999 wonderful trip.

Is this related or completely different problem.?

Will Thatcher's funeral continue as planned? I can't imagine the situation will calm down until she is 6 feet under & maybe not then.

Oscar - you may re-think/plan carefully where you watch the procession - if that's still in the funeral plan.?

Oh - I don't see this going well

It's sad really

Interesting some here replied to the Cuba thread - stated the US was bitter. wow

you win

Patsy

Patsy Warnick;1424147 wrote: The Louve has been closed. Employees walked off the job due to lack of security and they are at risk

News annouced - voilence - gangs and visitors safety was at risk.

I watched them pack up Mona.

I was at the Louve 1999 wonderful trip.

Is this related or completely different problem.?

Will Thatcher's funeral continue as planned? I can't imagine the situation will calm down until she is 6 feet under & maybe not then.

Oscar - you may re-think/plan carefully where you watch the procession - if that's still in the funeral plan.?

Oh - I don't see this going well

It's sad really

Interesting some here replied to the Cuba thread - stated the US was bitter. wow

you win

Patsy


Patsy... we have the finest anti-terrorist officers In the world.... Streets will be sealed off... they won't get near. And besides, we have riot police who are armed.

I truly pity those so embittered with hatred for a woman who turned a bankrupt country Into the boom of the 80's. Instead of looking to the future, they wallow In the past, anylising her every move throughout her life.

As for the children In those pictures showing such hatred, I am reminded off something I saw recently....

" Instead of leaving a better planet for our children. how about you leave better children for our planet?"... Author Unknown...

Hub & I watched the pics again - 1st thing he said "they're too young to know her".

these kids were told - taught to hate or where do these feelings come from.?

"better children for our planet" - perfect, couldn't agree more.

I had to break "A" cycle taught by my parents - I'm sure you may have too.

My cycle - my Father didn't like black people. "Archie Bunker" attitude.

These young kids act brainwashed, alot of hate for some one they've never had direct contact with.

I hope the funeral is aired live here in the US.

I got up @ 2:00 a.m. to watch Princess Di.

I plan to watch - she deserved some respect.

Thanks

Patsy

Patsy Warnick;1424149 wrote: Hub & I watched the pics again - 1st thing he said "they're too young to know her".

these kids were told - taught to hate or where do these feelings come from.?

"better children for our planet" - perfect, couldn't agree more.

I had to break "A" cycle taught by my parents - I'm sure you may have too.

My cycle - my Father didn't like black people. "Archie Bunker" attitude.

These young kids act brainwashed, alot of hate for some one they've never had direct contact with.

I hope the funeral is aired live here in the US.

I got up @ 2:00 a.m. to watch Princess Di.

I plan to watch - she deserved some respect.

Thanks

Patsy


Another thing... these people are losing sight of one very Important thing... when she died, she was not the Prime Minister or The Stateswoman, she was a frail, sick old woman.

No, I had no cycle to break by my parents... I got lucky and won the parent lottery.

Neither smoked or drank. Father worked all hours to provide and Mother stayed home to be a Mother. My father never once raised his voice to us and when he spoke, we listened, out of respect.

Oscar

My point to breaking a cycle - I didn't like the vocabulary my Father used & I don't allow it around me. Good parents & a big family. Sounds as if you have a nice family - your lucky.

My point watching these kids that absorbed all this hatred from parents/ family.

at some point they will have to stop - break this cycle - realise it's the parents attitude not theirs.

It's like "Get a Life Kid" and when you do - get your own.

I'm really surprised at all this - never did I imagine - she hasn't been in office for years??

I feel sorry for Thatcher and all who are hurt by this.

Patsy

More back ground

Patsy Warnick;1424149 wrote: I plan to watch - she deserved some respect.What she deserved is more a matter for those she affected, Patsy. She directly affected her own countrymen, one section came away greatly advantaged, another section greatly harmed.

The funeral parade from Westminster to Saint Paul's Cathedral will be interesting. Placards will be displayed, many people intend "mooning" as the casket's drawn past. One wonders how the BBC intends to keep that off the screen - presumably they'll add a ten second delay so as to sensor their camera streams.

I was at the London Victory Parade in 1982 and a more stony-faced silent crowd of disapproving bystanders I've never seen. The parade was entirely inappropriate and the lack of any cheering or applause made that quite plain. This will be the same.

Týr;1424170 wrote: The parade was entirely inappropriate and the lack of any cheering or applause made that quite plain. This will be the same. You wish !!!!

:wah::wah::wah:

Good old Daily Mail took a few chavs In the streets of Brixton and turned the article Into ' National Riots'

Those very chavs from Brixton South London who are not even the Grandchildren of miners and who will return to their council houses that Thatcher allowed their parents to buy.

On the other hand.... a very good article about who Instills this hate In children.

Margaret Thatcher death party: This lack of respect for the dead is a disturbing new low | Mail Online

TA

I realise I wasn't directly affected by Thatcher and I do appreciate the imput in this thread.

I had no idea it's either black or white - there's no happy grey middle regarding Thatcher.

You can't close your eyes to the fact the ones rioting are too young and not directly affected by Thatcher either. or are you asking me to fly over & burn pictures.?

You have to acknowledge the ones rioting have absorbed the elders attitude - absorbed & incorporated this attitude as theirs. Brainwashed? Monkey see Monkey do?

And your Prime Minister now - all in agreement that all is good?



But yet - you come out to celebrate for the Queen

what does she really do? She's just a figure and you pay her alot of money for? That money could be placed to those miners etc. or will the same riots take place when she dies?

It's upsetting - I feel for all involved here.

I will watch the funeral

Patsy

Patsy Warnick;1424175 wrote: TA

I realise I wasn't directly affected by Thatcher and I do appreciate the imput in this thread.

I had no idea it's either black or white - there's no happy grey middle regarding Thatcher.

You can't close your eyes to the fact the ones rioting are too young and not directly affected by Thatcher either. or are you asking me to fly over & burn pictures.?

You have to acknowledge the ones rioting have absorbed the elders attitude - absorbed & incorporated this attitude as theirs. Brainwashed? Monkey see Monkey do?

And your Prime Minister now - all in agreement that all is good?



But yet - you come out to celebrate for the Queen

what does she really do? She's just a figure and you pay her alot of money for? That money could be placed to those miners etc. or will the same riots take place when she dies?

It's upsetting - I feel for all involved here.

I will watch the funeral

Patsy


The queen is just a figurehead and as such is not supposed to get involved in politics or show favour to any party. Her attending Thatcher's funeral breaks with tradition.

Americans seem to take criticism of their president as being anti-american rather than criticism of a particular policy. Criticising our PM is seen as criticising the PM and not anti-british. Making fun of the royal family is something we do ourselves and quite frankly we don;t really care what foreigners think about it.

There have been times in recent british history when republican sentiment has been quite strong but basically it works for us and there is no guarantee anything else will be better. We don't have a written constitution and make it up as we go. last time we killed a monarch we ended up with a military dictatorship run by born again Christians bit we''ve also booted a couple for being too stroppy.

We kind of make things up as we go. Associating herself with approving thatcher's policies may or may not be a good idea.

I had no idea it's either black or white - there's no happy grey middle regarding Thatcher.


That's because you get daily mail readers like oscar that seem to think the sun shone out of her arse and won't let up. :sneaky:

Posted by oscar

Patsy... we have the finest anti-terrorist officers In the world.... Streets will be sealed off... they won't get near. And besides, we have riot police who are armed.




What do you mean by armed. We have riot police who have shields and batons and we have armed police who carry guns to kill people. Traditionalkly the police in the UK do not carry guns so that they cannot be used to oppress the british people. Maggie came close to politicising the police using them to beat down demonstrations against her policies.

gmc;1424177 wrote:



We kind of make things up as we go. Associating herself with approving thatcher's policies may or may not be a good idea.

She's not associating herself with any policies you numbnuttes, she's paying her respects to a dead woman







What do you mean by armed. We have riot police who have shields and batons and we have armed police who carry guns to kill people. Traditionalkly the police in the UK do not carry guns so that they cannot be used to oppress the british people. Maggie came close to politicising the police using them to beat down demonstrations against her policies.


Royalty attending... Royal protection officers are armed Derrrrr

What's the point of holding on to the bitterness about what she did or didn't do? We've all suffered the adverse effects of others' actions at various points in our lives...but by holding on to the anger, we affect no one but ourselves.

You can bet there won't be people at her funeral with signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS". Don't know if you all follow the news of the Westboro Baptist Church but they attend fallen soldiers funerals with signs like that... fag meaning homosexual. The dead soldier isn't necessarily gay, they just like to use their funerals as a platform.

My point is, there are angry people everywhere. At least yours (in this case) seem to have a valid complaint even if they were born in the wrong decade to have suffered Thatcherism directly.

By the way, I'm posting from home right now in case anyone is concerned.

SnoozeAgain;1424188 wrote: By the way, I'm posting from home right now in case anyone is concerned.


Who's gonna protect us while you're at home ?

Everybody living in Britain has been affected by a Thatcher policy, the selling off of Council properties and the resulting social engineering it prompted is seen as a wonderful thing by some, a catastrophe by others.

One view of "The right to buy"

On the face of it allowing people to buy the social housing they have lived in for years at a discount sounds like a good thing, the reality has not been so beneficial to the people it was aimed to help. The housing stock is now out of Council hands, the profit they made was restricted in it's use, and could not be used to replace the housing they had sold.

These days to get onto the housing ladder is a step too big for many, and there is a shortage of local housing authority properties to rent.

Meanwhile private landlords are letting properties to local councils (who have a duty to house the homeless) at exhorbitant rents, so the likes of the Daily Mail can run shock horror stories about lowlifes in expensive houseing they can't afford, and how we are all paying for it with our taxes.

All partly Thatchers policies in reality

She's not associating herself with any policies you numbnuttes, she's paying her respects to a dead woman


Margaret Thatcher: This is a state funeral, and that’s a mistake - Telegraph

The decision to give Lady Thatcher what amounts to a state funeral will not lead to fascism. But it nevertheless badly damages the British system of representative democracy, and as such will lead to a series of debilitating practical problems. The most serious of them concerns damage to the reputation of the monarch for scrupulous impartiality. During her long reign, the Queen has avoided attending the funerals of all her prime ministers, apart from that of Churchill, who had led the national government of a united Britain in the great common struggle against Nazi Germany. This is why he was the sole exception to the rule that former prime ministers do not get state funerals.

So the question arises: what’s so special about Maggie Thatcher? Defenders of next week’s funeral arrangements say that she was a “transformational prime minister. This is true. But so was Clement Attlee, who introduced the welfare system and the National Health Service, thus fundamentally changing the connection between state and individual. Yet the Queen did not attend Mr Attlee’s funeral, a quiet affair in Temple Church near Westminster. According to a 1967 report in Time magazine, “all the trappings of power were absent last week at the funeral of Earl Attlee ¦ there were no honour guards or artillery caissons, no press or television, no crush of spectators. Only 150 friends and relatives gathered for a brief Anglican ceremony in honour of the man who had shaped the political destiny of post-war Britain.

The decision to acknowledge Lady Thatcher, but not Attlee, makes the Queen appear partisan and is totally out of kilter with the traditional impartiality of the modern British monarchy.




The Telegraph, you won't find such nuances in the daily mail.



oscar;1424178 wrote: Royalty attending... Royal protection officers are armed Derrrrr


posted by oscar:-5:-5

Patsy... we have the finest anti-terrorist officers In the world.... Streets will be sealed off... they won't get near. And besides, we have riot police who are armed.


Read wot you rite.

This fi=uneral is like a red rag to a bull it should not be a state occasion.

I understand Thatcher also deregulated banking, the intricacies of which are beyond my grasp to be honest.

I do know that Banking was an honoured profession when I was younger, I remember credit being a luxury.

Then, as I understand it, the Banks were changed from being solid traditionally old fashioned safe places to carry out financial transactions, with relatively few working men having an Account.

These days most wages are paid directly into Banks and the bank gambles with the money 'in limbo' in their vaults.

There used to be Banks, Building Societies, Insurance companies, Merchant Banks, Investment Banks and they were all solid, honest trustworthy, staffed by boring solid people.

Now all the Banks have dealings with any and everything, wheeling and dealing is now 'The Thing' to do, buying 'Futures' dealing in stuff you know nothing about other than it's rising price and so the chance of profit.

I understand this was part of Thatchers legacy too.........god help us all.

"Deregulation allowed the City to construct long lines of indebtedness, which are completely beyond technical regulation and, as we see with the eurozone crisis, beyond political management."

Patsy........her policies have resonance for the kids today.....it's not so black or white

Bruv;1424192 wrote: I understand Thatcher also deregulated banking, the intricacies of which are beyond my grasp to be honest.

I do know that Banking was an honoured profession when I was younger, I remember credit being a luxury.

Then, as I understand it, the Banks were changed from being solid traditionally old fashioned safe places to carry out financial transactions, with relatively few working men having an Account.

These days most wages are paid directly into Banks and the bank gambles with the money 'in limbo' in their vaults.

There used to be Banks, Building Societies, Insurance companies, Merchant Banks, Investment Banks and they were all solid, honest trustworthy, staffed by boring solid people.

Now all the Banks have dealings with any and everything, wheeling and dealing is now 'The Thing' to do, buying 'Futures' dealing in stuff you know nothing about other than it's rising price and so the chance of profit.

I understand this was part of Thatchers legacy too.........god help us all.

"Deregulation allowed the City to construct long lines of indebtedness, which are completely beyond technical regulation and, as we see with the eurozone crisis, beyond political management."

Patsy........her policies have resonance for the kids today.....it's not so black or white


Well said, it certainly isn't as black and white as some would paint it.

I also do not believe for one minute that the 'chavs' are returning home to their parents who are residing in their cheaply bought ex council houses.

I don't think her funeral should have all this hype, I find it hard to believe she's going out with the same status as the Queen Mother and Princess Di, it just beggars belief really. That said, I would have no wish to publicly protest the matter but will quietly wonder if this is just going to show what a nation of unhappy people we have right now and wondering who exactly is footing the bill for all this pomp and ceremony.

theia;1424179 wrote: What's the point of holding on to the bitterness about what she did or didn't do? We've all suffered the adverse effects of others' actions at various points in our lives...but by holding on to the anger, we affect no one but ourselves.


It isn't bitterness, it's total disdain at someone who caused so much damage. It's revulsion. When British politics finally recovers from the harm she caused, then perhaps she can be left to history. Just at the moment her bastard plastic offspring in all three parties are still running the show.

gmc

Of course our Presidents are critized - you can't & won't please everyone.

I doubt you'd every see groups of people mooning the Pres. coffin during a procession.

I'm not saying it won't ever happen - if this is how the younger generation wants to conduct themselves - I don't want to be alive to see it.

Snooze stated the funeral is used as a platform - I'd have to agree with that.

Because I'm wondering why now? Were there riots as she was changing policies. riots as she's attending other countries? riots while other dignitaries visited? riots when she left office? I'm asking - there could've been?

just riot when the bones go 6 feet under.?

It seems the people have stood their ground - alot of wasted energy

I'm not making fun of this situation - I'm not making fun of the Queen either.

Not sure of the Queens purpose - she gets paid for representing the people - spokesperson.

Is the Prime Minister in office now doing a better job than Thatcher? is it possible to over turn some of Thatcher's policies? adjust them etc.?

I don't think much gets accomplished with violence / riot.

Patsy

Bruv;1424190 wrote: Everybody living in Britain has been affected by a Thatcher policy, Yes, I was... She stopped my school milk

Patsy Warnick;1424208 wrote: I don't think much gets accomplished with violence / riot.I don't think what's happened this week has involved violence or riot. There have been a few instances of heavy-footed policing, that's all.

What happens next Wednesday around the country would be far better termed protest than violence or riot. If the police start cracking heads then it's the police who will have employed violence and brought about a riot, not the protesters. It wouldn't be the first time. It was Margaret Thatcher more than anyone who politicized the police into the socially repressive agency we have to live with today.

Betty

you wonder if this will show a nation of unhappy people? yes

We didn't know

Every one should know - we need to take off our rose filtered glasses and see the repercussions.

and we will try to understand - many don't know.

I don't know who organized this funeral - but they should re-think it.

Patsy

oscar;1424210 wrote: Yes, I was... She stopped my school milk
It would be ungentlemanly for me to say, but suspect you had your milk and malt daily.........

Patsy Warnick;1424217 wrote: Betty



I don't know who organized this funeral - but they should re-think it.

Patsy


Politicians

The Queen

Heads of State

St Pauls Cathedral

Full military honours

ALL former US presidents

World ambassadors

Procession through the streets of London

And you think all of that will re rethought and replanned because of a few placards and protesters?

Sorry Patsy but there Is no way on Gods earth anything will be changed.

Týr;1424206 wrote: It isn't bitterness, it's total disdain at someone who caused so much damage. It's revulsion. When British politics finally recovers from the harm she caused, then perhaps she can be left to history. Just at the moment her bastard plastic offspring in all three parties are still running the show.


Okay, so call it total disdain...but it's still as destructive to self as bitterness. And, isn't it more productive to look at what can be done to redress whatever harm was done than to remain in victim mode?

theia;1424246 wrote: Okay, so call it total disdain...but it's still as destructive to self as bitterness. And, isn't it more productive to look at what can be done to redress whatever harm was done than to remain in victim mode?


Me? Victim? Self-destruct? I think you misunderstand the terms I used. What she brutalized was society, not me. What suffered was the country as a whole. To redress what happened would require the creation of a new national political party, to stand candidates in every constituency - the consequence of what she did is that there are no Socialist parties left with any seats in Parliament. There are just a very few Socialist MPs and they have no means of affecting the policies of the Labour Party and even if they did, the Labour Party has no means of affecting the policies of the government.

What would that cost. Were it legal in the UK then it would cost nothing at all if my candidates at the next election were all write-in candidates, but that system of counting isn't done here so I'd need to find £500 for each of 650 candidates, or £335,000 per general election. I could, I suppose, crowd-source that much. I could certainly write the manifesto. Is that what you're recommending? Vote TWID? Or had you something else in mind.

oscar;1424229 wrote: Sorry Patsy but there Is no way on Gods earth anything will be changed.It's organized at the behest and under the control of the Prime Minister's Office. What will change, compared to the plans, will be the protests. The Prime Minister's Office is unintentionally paying £8 million to publicize the true state of the nation in a way nobody else could possibly have managed, for which it has my unbounded thanks.

Týr;1424250 wrote: It's organized at the behest and under the control of the Prime Minister's Office. What will change, compared to the plans, will be the protests. The Prime Minister's Office is unintentionally paying £8 million to publicize the true state of the nation in a way nobody else could possibly have managed, for which it has my unbounded thanks.


But we've seen and heard It all before haven't we?

Anti-Royalists threatening to stop William 's wedding.

Protesters at Wooton Bassett

Blah blah blah

A small minority of desperate attention seekers....

Týr;1424249 wrote: Me? Victim? Self-destruct? I think you misunderstand the terms I used. What she brutalized was society, not me. What suffered was the country as a whole. To redress what happened would require the creation of a new national political party, to stand candidates in every constituency - the consequence of what she did is that there are no Socialist parties left with any seats in Parliament. There are just a very few Socialist MPs and they have no means of affecting the policies of the Labour Party and even if they did, the Labour Party has no means of affecting the policies of the government.

What would that cost. Were it legal in the UK then it would cost nothing at all if my candidates at the next election were all write-in candidates, but that system of counting isn't done here so I'd need to find £500 for each of 650 candidates, or £335,000 per general election. I could, I suppose, crowd-source that much. I could certainly write the manifesto. Is that what you're recommending? Vote TWID? Or had you something else in mind.


It's entirely up to you to choose what you want to do, as it is for all of us. Boldness has genius in it...begin it now, to paraphrase Goethe. Rarely, if ever, do any of us, including me, take that advice...we all prefer to bleat and moan.

Having studied the history of The British Trade Unions In my younger days, I could probably pen a fairly accurate and educated piece on Scargill and Thatcher... but sadly I feel It would be a waste of my time.

Do we still have an aircraft carrier in service? Probably not. We must have a couple of destroyers left though.

I hear the powers that be intend cremating her so as to leave no grave. It's equivalent to burying her at sea. I prefer the notion of her being dropped quietly over the back rail of a destroyer into the English Channel at dead of night.

Sheer cowardice, not having a grave.

Týr;1424260 wrote:

I hear the powers that be intend cremating her so as to leave no grave.

Sheer cowardice, not having a grave.


I am sure the esteemed Lady left instructions how she wished to be dealt with on her demise.

No grave would appear yet another master stroke on her behalf..............brilliant mind, so insightful

Bruv;1424265 wrote: I am sure the esteemed Lady left instructions how she wished to be dealt with on her demise.

No grave would appear yet another master stroke on her behalf..............brilliant mind, so insightful


What utter bollocks...

Perhaps some research wouldn't go amiss before such outrageous claims are made,

Thatcher requested to be cremated years ago on account of her beloved husbands body was cremated at Mortlake Crematorium in Richmond, London, which was his wish. As with many long married couples, she requested that In the event of her death, she be cremated and her ashes placed with those of her husbands,

The claims here are nothing but wishful thinking,