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damo wrote: no mate definitely dont, think i grew out of that when i was about 14! :wah:It's the kids that hang around the streets and shopping centres in gangs that make people feel so vulnerable.

abbey wrote: You never said a truer word.

The following was taken from todays Daily Mirror...........

27 May 2005

BANNED FROM WEARING A HOODIE - And carrying fireworks axes and chainsaws

By Patrick Mulchrone

A TEENAGE yob has been banned from using an arsenal of lethal weapons... and wearing a hoodie.

Kids today eh (tut) little scallywags!!


Is there a bigger social commentary going on here? We've had discussions about the UK's super restrictive laws keeping the law-abiding from being able to defend themselves. It's a perfect environment for the lawless to reign supreme.

Tombstone wrote: Is there a bigger social commentary going on here? We've had discussions about the UK's super restrictive laws keeping the law-abiding from being able to defend themselves. It's a perfect environment for the lawless to reign supreme.I hate to have to agree with what you say, mob rule seems to have escalated here in the UK over the past few months.

Although the people that are on the receiving end of the violence do seem to be the more vulnerable, so they're unable to defend themselves, especially if they're being attacked by a gang of drunken yobs out for a "laugh".

Tombstone wrote: I think we should be *less tolerant of these kids' parents. Call me old-fashioned, but since when do the parents get a free pass on this stuff?

Society should not have to be the nurse-maid of these little cretans.


I think too parents need to be educated, and it has to start somewhere and likely the kids are easier to educate than the parents. It's as I have said in other posts a vicious cycle that needs to be broke. Parents of these kids likely were not taught to be respectful therefore have no clue how to teach their kids. I volunteered in a program here that tried that, we took the kids into one room, and the parents into the other and parallel taught. Simple things like asking permission, saying thank you and please, Crikey it was shocking how parents thought they did not have to ask their kids things they simply "told them" and so guess what, kids learn from parents, and that bad behavior comes right back at the parents.

Kids are their parents. It's a long row to hoe I know it, and the way society goes with their "who cares" attitude, we are stuck with a rebel generation forever.

abbey wrote: I hate to have to agree with what you say, mob rule seems to have escalated here in the UK over the past few months.

Although the people that are on the receiving end of the violence do seem to be the more vulnerable, so they're unable to defend themselves, especially if they're being attacked by a gang of drunken yobs out for a "laugh".
It's too bad all of the victims don't have the right to carry "tools" which would turn the tables on the thugs. Rarely does one get attacked if the attacker senses or worries that their intended victim may be able to strike back with lethal force.

Minks is right on it with the parenting idea....

Once I had to tell a young man, 'Don't you know it's not polite to look up girl's dresses?"

he replied, "Really? I never knew that." and he was deadly serious. His parents never taught him any rules about proper behavior,

We call these people 'dry cleaner" parents, because they don't do their job, then they drop off their messed up kids and expect them to be perfect angels by the end of the day.

Realistically, teachers do model good behavior constantly, but I have no time for a "manners day" I have an entire Algebra curriculum to teach. Recently, the State began holding schools accountable for children's attendance.

Say what? Like I'm going to go out and pull them out of bed if they don't show up? How is this my problem?!

Well, I have to deal with it anyway. Luckily, New Mexico passed the Mandatory Attendance Law HB106. I sent three moms to jail under that law this year. One of them told me, "Why are you picking on me? My daughter only has 57 absences!" Another told me, "I can't tell my daughter to do anything because if she gets mad, she'll punch holes in the wall!"

Sheesh! Bad Mom...Bad bad!

I told her, "You are the parent, you are responsible, so figure it out."

Jives wrote: Minks is right on it with the parenting idea....

Once I had to tell a young man, 'Don't you know it's not polite to look up girl's dresses?"

he replied, "Really? I never knew that." and he was deadly serious. His parents never taught him any rules about proper behavior,

We call these people 'dry cleaner" parents, because they don't do their job, then they drop off their messed up kids and expect them to be perfect angels by the end of the day.

Realistically, teachers do model good behavior constantly, but I have no time for a "manners day" I have an entire Algebra curriculum to teach. Recently, the State began holding schools accountable for children's attendance.

Say what? Like I'm going to go out and pull them out of bed if they don't show up? How is this my problem?!

Well, I have to deal with it anyway. Luckily, New Mexico passed the Mandatory Attendance Law HB106. I sent three moms to jail under that law this year. One of them told me, "Why are you picking on me? My daughter only has 57 absences!" Another told me, "I can't tell my daughter to do anything because if she gets mad, she'll punch holes in the wall!"

Sheesh! Bad Mom...Bad bad!

I told her, "You are the parent, you are responsible, so figure it out."


Frustrating isn't it, and what is annoying, kids push like hell and generally get their way because they bully stronger, yell louder, punch harder etc. I see how it happens with single mothers, they get worn down, but.... these kids still have to be taught.