Snowfire;1451288 wrote: Depends how you define "computer"
Alan Turing ?
Charles Babbage ?
AnneBoleyn;1451337 wrote: Who Really Invented the Computer?
Not an American.
Who Really Invented the Computer? | TIME.com
I think I tried to answer the question for the benefit of Saint who seems to have a rather myopic view of the world, which is a shame for one who is a teacher
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AnneBoleyn;1451330 wrote: We don't get arrested here for anything we say. We don't get police action for anything we say. Generally speaking. What I know & think about Sweden is very positive, but I'm not pretending to really know. The Brits here have reported police involvement if someone calls someone a nasty name about, i.e., their country of origin, or race. That does not happen here. We are free to be obnoxious & outwardly racist, etc. if that is our choice.
I have lived & travelled in Europe. I admit, I barely saw much difference, except on the surface of manners, language, culture, that type of thing. Life is life & I am not saying that Life here is the very best there is or can be.
There are many reasons why the U.S. is not the free-est country on earth but I'm not going to list them all. Let's take simply a couple.
1). The NSA proves that your freedom of speech and expression is impaired.
2). Racially-oriented American police put a damper on freedom of being.
3). The U.S. government has always had travel restrictions upon its own citizens - punishable by fines, imprisonment and so-called "loss of citizenship" by visiting certain countries, working for the government of any another country, and serving in the military of any other country.
4). Legal charges of "un-American activities" make your freedom of choice a joke.
5). Being held indefinitely without charge in American prisons such as with Bradley Manning, and others.
6). Making it illegal to blow the whistle on governmental corruption.
7). Justifying the torturing of prisoners, directly against the Geneva convention Rules.
8). The U.S. ranks only somewhere around 25th. in the world's most Democratic countries.
As I say, there are many, many more examples which make the U.S. nowhere near the free-est country on earth. Using the World Democracy Index as a guide-line will help you to realize that.
I have lived & travelled in Europe. I admit, I barely saw much difference, except on the surface of manners, language, culture, that type of thing. Life is life & I am not saying that Life here is the very best there is or can be.
There are many reasons why the U.S. is not the free-est country on earth but I'm not going to list them all. Let's take simply a couple.
1). The NSA proves that your freedom of speech and expression is impaired.
2). Racially-oriented American police put a damper on freedom of being.
3). The U.S. government has always had travel restrictions upon its own citizens - punishable by fines, imprisonment and so-called "loss of citizenship" by visiting certain countries, working for the government of any another country, and serving in the military of any other country.
4). Legal charges of "un-American activities" make your freedom of choice a joke.
5). Being held indefinitely without charge in American prisons such as with Bradley Manning, and others.
6). Making it illegal to blow the whistle on governmental corruption.
7). Justifying the torturing of prisoners, directly against the Geneva convention Rules.
8). The U.S. ranks only somewhere around 25th. in the world's most Democratic countries.
As I say, there are many, many more examples which make the U.S. nowhere near the free-est country on earth. Using the World Democracy Index as a guide-line will help you to realize that.
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High Threshold;1451351 wrote: There are many reasons why the U.S. is not the free-est country on earth but I'm not going to list them all. Let's take simply a couple.
1). The NSA proves that your freedom of speech and expression is impaired.
2). Racially-oriented American police put a damper on freedom of being.
3). The U.S. government has always had travel restrictions upon its own citizens - punishable by fines, imprisonment and so-called "loss of citizenship" by visiting certain countries, working for the government of any another country, and serving in the military of any other country.
4). Legal charges of "un-American activities" make your freedom of choice a joke.
5). Being held indefinitely without charge in American prisons such as with Bradley Manning, and others.
6). Making it illegal to blow the whistle on governmental corruption.
7). Justifying the torturing of prisoners, directly against the Geneva convention Rules.
8). The U.S. ranks only somewhere around 25th. in the world's most Democratic countries.
As I say, there are many, many more examples which make the U.S. nowhere near the free-est country on earth. Using the World Democracy Index as a guide-line will help you to realize that.
I only want to address a couple of things right now. You are not speaking to a super-patriot by any means. During the Vietnam War I was very active, put on many lists & was invited to leave the country more than once for fighting for peace, a strange activity. My politics are basically still the same, being slightly nuanced by age & other factors.
1. The NSA proves that your freedom of speech and expression is impaired.
Just the fact of someone listening to me, and by the way they are probably listening to you, does not impair my speech or expression. I'm still free to say & express whatever I want, & as I said, after 40 years, I'm used to it. Every government pays attention to what their citizens are up to, don't kid yourself.
3. The U.S. government has always had travel restrictions upon its own citizens - punishable by fines, imprisonment and so-called "loss of citizenship" by visiting certain countries, working for the government of any another country, and serving in the military of any other country.
You cannot ever lose your American citizenship. I don't know where you got that idea. I once went to an American consulate in Zurich. I was young & foolish & wanted to give it up because of Vietnam. I was set straight. Travel restrictions, no I don't care for that. But Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, etc. went to North Vietnam; I know dozens of Americans who went legally to Cuba, sanctioned by the American gov't. I know, tourists can't go. That idiot, Dennis Rodman, goes to North Korea regularly.
4. Legal charges of "un-American activities" make your freedom of choice a joke.
Wow, you are almost 50 years out of touch. There were entities such as Joe McCarthy & House of UnAmerican Activities (HUAC); but their day has been gone for decades. No one has been legally charged in modern times of being Un-American. Name one, & give the year.
1). The NSA proves that your freedom of speech and expression is impaired.
2). Racially-oriented American police put a damper on freedom of being.
3). The U.S. government has always had travel restrictions upon its own citizens - punishable by fines, imprisonment and so-called "loss of citizenship" by visiting certain countries, working for the government of any another country, and serving in the military of any other country.
4). Legal charges of "un-American activities" make your freedom of choice a joke.
5). Being held indefinitely without charge in American prisons such as with Bradley Manning, and others.
6). Making it illegal to blow the whistle on governmental corruption.
7). Justifying the torturing of prisoners, directly against the Geneva convention Rules.
8). The U.S. ranks only somewhere around 25th. in the world's most Democratic countries.
As I say, there are many, many more examples which make the U.S. nowhere near the free-est country on earth. Using the World Democracy Index as a guide-line will help you to realize that.
I only want to address a couple of things right now. You are not speaking to a super-patriot by any means. During the Vietnam War I was very active, put on many lists & was invited to leave the country more than once for fighting for peace, a strange activity. My politics are basically still the same, being slightly nuanced by age & other factors.
1. The NSA proves that your freedom of speech and expression is impaired.
Just the fact of someone listening to me, and by the way they are probably listening to you, does not impair my speech or expression. I'm still free to say & express whatever I want, & as I said, after 40 years, I'm used to it. Every government pays attention to what their citizens are up to, don't kid yourself.
3. The U.S. government has always had travel restrictions upon its own citizens - punishable by fines, imprisonment and so-called "loss of citizenship" by visiting certain countries, working for the government of any another country, and serving in the military of any other country.
You cannot ever lose your American citizenship. I don't know where you got that idea. I once went to an American consulate in Zurich. I was young & foolish & wanted to give it up because of Vietnam. I was set straight. Travel restrictions, no I don't care for that. But Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, etc. went to North Vietnam; I know dozens of Americans who went legally to Cuba, sanctioned by the American gov't. I know, tourists can't go. That idiot, Dennis Rodman, goes to North Korea regularly.
4. Legal charges of "un-American activities" make your freedom of choice a joke.
Wow, you are almost 50 years out of touch. There were entities such as Joe McCarthy & House of UnAmerican Activities (HUAC); but their day has been gone for decades. No one has been legally charged in modern times of being Un-American. Name one, & give the year.
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AnneBoleyn;1451443 wrote: I only want to address a couple of things right now. You are not speaking to a super-patriot by any means. During the Vietnam War I was very active, put on many lists & was invited to leave the country more than once for fighting for peace, a strange activity. My politics are basically still the same, being slightly nuanced by age & other factors.
1. The NSA proves that your freedom of speech and expression is impaired.
Just the fact of someone listening to me, and by the way they are probably listening to you, does not impair my speech or expression. I'm still free to say & express whatever I want, & as I said, after 40 years, I'm used to it. Every government pays attention to what their citizens are up to, don't kid yourself.
3. The U.S. government has always had travel restrictions upon its own citizens - punishable by fines, imprisonment and so-called "loss of citizenship" by visiting certain countries, working for the government of any another country, and serving in the military of any other country.
You cannot ever lose your American citizenship. I don't know where you got that idea. I once went to an American consulate in Zurich. I was young & foolish & wanted to give it up because of Vietnam. I was set straight. Travel restrictions, no I don't care for that. But Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, etc. went to North Vietnam; I know dozens of Americans who went legally to Cuba, sanctioned by the American gov't. I know, tourists can't go. That idiot, Dennis Rodman, goes to North Korea regularly.
4. Legal charges of "un-American activities" make your freedom of choice a joke.
Wow, you are almost 50 years out of touch. There were entities such as Joe McCarthy & House of UnAmerican Activities (HUAC); but their day has been gone for decades. No one has been legally charged in modern times of being Un-American. Name one, & give the year.
Well said, Anne.
Americans can even go to Cuba. The gummint doesn't like it, and you can't just book an airfare to Havana on American Airlines, but you can go there any time you want to.
5). Being held indefinitely without charge in American prisons such as with Bradley Manning, and others.
Wrong. Firstly to Mr Manning, he broke the law, he knew what he was doing, he was charged, and tried, convicted, and sentenced.
No US citizen can be held indefinitely, without charges being files, and they are guaranteed a trial for those charges.
1. The NSA proves that your freedom of speech and expression is impaired.
Just the fact of someone listening to me, and by the way they are probably listening to you, does not impair my speech or expression. I'm still free to say & express whatever I want, & as I said, after 40 years, I'm used to it. Every government pays attention to what their citizens are up to, don't kid yourself.
3. The U.S. government has always had travel restrictions upon its own citizens - punishable by fines, imprisonment and so-called "loss of citizenship" by visiting certain countries, working for the government of any another country, and serving in the military of any other country.
You cannot ever lose your American citizenship. I don't know where you got that idea. I once went to an American consulate in Zurich. I was young & foolish & wanted to give it up because of Vietnam. I was set straight. Travel restrictions, no I don't care for that. But Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, etc. went to North Vietnam; I know dozens of Americans who went legally to Cuba, sanctioned by the American gov't. I know, tourists can't go. That idiot, Dennis Rodman, goes to North Korea regularly.
4. Legal charges of "un-American activities" make your freedom of choice a joke.
Wow, you are almost 50 years out of touch. There were entities such as Joe McCarthy & House of UnAmerican Activities (HUAC); but their day has been gone for decades. No one has been legally charged in modern times of being Un-American. Name one, & give the year.
Well said, Anne.
Americans can even go to Cuba. The gummint doesn't like it, and you can't just book an airfare to Havana on American Airlines, but you can go there any time you want to.
5). Being held indefinitely without charge in American prisons such as with Bradley Manning, and others.
Wrong. Firstly to Mr Manning, he broke the law, he knew what he was doing, he was charged, and tried, convicted, and sentenced.
No US citizen can be held indefinitely, without charges being files, and they are guaranteed a trial for those charges.
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AnneBoleyn;1451443 wrote: You are not speaking to a super-patriot by any means. During the Vietnam War I was very active, put on many lists & was invited to leave the country more than once for fighting for peace, a strange activity. My politics are basically still the same, being slightly nuanced by age & other factors.
I am very pleased to know that I am discussing this subject with a sensible, like-minded human being.
AnneBoleyn;1451443 wrote: The U.S. government has always had travel restrictions upon its own citizens - punishable by fines, imprisonment and so-called "loss of citizenship" by visiting certain countries, working for the government of any another country, and serving in the military of any other country.
You cannot ever lose your American citizenship. I don't know where you got that idea. .....
Well. If you went to Switzerland during the Vietnam War then I suggest you dig up your passport and read the inside flap. That's where "I got that idea". Over the years it applied to North Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Rhodesia, etc. Now you can argue or discuss the possibility that the U.S. might not have enforced that "law", if you think it's an interesting subject, but that restriction (with punishment) was written very clearly in your passport.
BTW, "losing your American citizenship" is the legal American term for even "giving up your American citizenship" and had you actually applied for (and received) Swiss citizenship (and had the U.S. first required you denounce the U.S.) then you would have gotten notice of "Loss of American Citizenship" ..... disregarding the fact that it was your choice.
An addition ..... If you ever come to Sweden I'd love to meet you so you could tell me what reasoning the U.S. gave you that "set you straight". We could have an extremely good chat on the subject and you wouldn't find it boring, I promise you that!
I am very pleased to know that I am discussing this subject with a sensible, like-minded human being.
AnneBoleyn;1451443 wrote: The U.S. government has always had travel restrictions upon its own citizens - punishable by fines, imprisonment and so-called "loss of citizenship" by visiting certain countries, working for the government of any another country, and serving in the military of any other country.
You cannot ever lose your American citizenship. I don't know where you got that idea. .....
Well. If you went to Switzerland during the Vietnam War then I suggest you dig up your passport and read the inside flap. That's where "I got that idea". Over the years it applied to North Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Rhodesia, etc. Now you can argue or discuss the possibility that the U.S. might not have enforced that "law", if you think it's an interesting subject, but that restriction (with punishment) was written very clearly in your passport.
BTW, "losing your American citizenship" is the legal American term for even "giving up your American citizenship" and had you actually applied for (and received) Swiss citizenship (and had the U.S. first required you denounce the U.S.) then you would have gotten notice of "Loss of American Citizenship" ..... disregarding the fact that it was your choice.
An addition ..... If you ever come to Sweden I'd love to meet you so you could tell me what reasoning the U.S. gave you that "set you straight". We could have an extremely good chat on the subject and you wouldn't find it boring, I promise you that!
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"Under the 2012 NDAA, US President Barack Obama is affirmed the power to put any American citizen behind bars if he or she is SUSPECTED of assisting in any way with forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or its allies. That provision, Sec. 1021, says any person who commits a 'belligerent act' against the country can be imprisoned indefinitely 'without trial' until the vaguely-worded period of hostilities has come to an end."
NDAA 2013 - Indefinite detention without trial is back — RT USA
NDAA 2013 - Indefinite detention without trial is back — RT USA
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Bruv;1451333 wrote: ........ waiting for somebody to ask for more?
Isn't that what you've just done? In any case, most people don't really want to know if they get any hint that their notions might be upset. I recon it's better to expend your energy on someone who's listening.
Isn't that what you've just done? In any case, most people don't really want to know if they get any hint that their notions might be upset. I recon it's better to expend your energy on someone who's listening.
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High Threshold;1451506 wrote: "Under the 2012 NDAA, US President Barack Obama is affirmed the power to put any American citizen behind bars if he or she is SUSPECTED of assisting in any way with forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or its allies. That provision, Sec. 1021, says any person who commits a 'belligerent act' against the country can be imprisoned indefinitely 'without trial' until the vaguely-worded period of hostilities has come to an end."
NDAA 2013 - Indefinite detention without trial is back — RT USA
Bloody Russians stirring it up again.
NDAA 2013 - Indefinite detention without trial is back — RT USA
Bloody Russians stirring it up again.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1451511 wrote: Bloody Russians stirring it up again.
:wah::wah::wah:
:wah::wah::wah:
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High Threshold;1451506 wrote: "Under the 2012 NDAA, US President Barack Obama is affirmed the power to put any American citizen behind bars if he or she is SUSPECTED of assisting in any way with forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or its allies. That provision, Sec. 1021, says any person who commits a 'belligerent act' against the country can be imprisoned indefinitely 'without trial' until the vaguely-worded period of hostilities has come to an end."
NDAA 2013 - Indefinite detention without trial is back — RT USA
It is more specifically referred to as:
‘‘National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year xxxx"
Title X - General Provisions,
Subtitle C - Counterterrorism,
section 1021 - AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF
THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS
PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY
FORCE.
The first paragraph of which states:
(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the
President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to
the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40;
50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces
of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection
(b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
And
and paragraph (e) specifically states:
(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed
to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of
United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States,
or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United
States.
Amazing how the author of that article blames that on Obama. Even more interesting that the author along with everybody else who chose to jump on that bandwagon, omits the paragraph that specifically states that such a law does NOT apply to US citizens.
Am I the only one who ever noticed that?
So, we, as Citizens of the US do not fear indefinite incarceration, regardless of whatever acts we commit, including Treason.
You, however, as a foreigner, should be veery careful where you tread, because we are watching you.
Now, go play. have fun.
NDAA 2013 - Indefinite detention without trial is back — RT USA
It is more specifically referred to as:
‘‘National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year xxxx"
Title X - General Provisions,
Subtitle C - Counterterrorism,
section 1021 - AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF
THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS
PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY
FORCE.
The first paragraph of which states:
(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the
President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to
the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40;
50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces
of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection
(b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
And
and paragraph (e) specifically states:
(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed
to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of
United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States,
or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United
States.
Amazing how the author of that article blames that on Obama. Even more interesting that the author along with everybody else who chose to jump on that bandwagon, omits the paragraph that specifically states that such a law does NOT apply to US citizens.
Am I the only one who ever noticed that?
So, we, as Citizens of the US do not fear indefinite incarceration, regardless of whatever acts we commit, including Treason.
You, however, as a foreigner, should be veery careful where you tread, because we are watching you.
Now, go play. have fun.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
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I refuse to comment on the grounds I am not American and somebody somewhere may be monitoring my PC activity.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Greatest threat to world peace?
No NO you are all wrong it's Scottish independence is the greatest threat.
Scottish independence would be 'cataclysmic' and would threaten stability of the wider world
Scottish independence would be 'cataclysmic' and would threaten stability of the wider world, says former head of Nato, Lord Robertson - Home News - UK - The Independent
I used to think the US had the most fruitcake politicians on the planet some of ours seem to be after their crown. You couldn't make this stuff up could you?
Scottish independence would be 'cataclysmic' and would threaten stability of the wider world
Scottish independence would be 'cataclysmic' and would threaten stability of the wider world, says former head of Nato, Lord Robertson - Home News - UK - The Independent
I used to think the US had the most fruitcake politicians on the planet some of ours seem to be after their crown. You couldn't make this stuff up could you?
Greatest threat to world peace?
All that blue face painting frightens me.
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Bruv;1451522 wrote: I refuse to comment on the grounds I am not American and somebody somewhere may be monitoring my PC activity.
Somebody somewhere IS. Probably wants to sell you something.
Somebody somewhere IS. Probably wants to sell you something.
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AnneBoleyn;1451539 wrote: Somebody somewhere IS. Probably wants to sell you something.
Yeah!
Wanna buy a duckway?
Yeah!
Wanna buy a duckway?
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
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Snowfire;1451345 wrote: I think I tried to answer the question for the benefit of Saint who seems to have a rather myopic view of the world, which is a shame for one who is a teacher
Yes, because teachers aren't human beings. Also, I'm sure he acts here, online, exactly like he does while he's in the classroom. (sigh)
Yes, because teachers aren't human beings. Also, I'm sure he acts here, online, exactly like he does while he's in the classroom. (sigh)
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AnneBoleyn;1451539 wrote: Somebody somewhere IS. Probably wants to sell you something.
Want to buy some anti-spy software?
Want to buy some anti-spy software?