The Eve effect.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:57 pm

Bruv;1454735 wrote: OK thats it I have decided you ARE the nutter on the Bus, the one that we all sit at the back to avoid..........some of us are getting off this Bus ......and it's not even my stop.

Some of " Us." Some of " Us" are getting off the bus, or the thread. Hey, if your getting off, why not just get yourself off, why try and manipulate others to get off; that is like speaking for others;

and that is what I mean by manipulation; its a subtle deception that looks to influence others.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:58 pm

Mickiel;1454258 wrote: I think if God had not cursed Eve, ( which also means he cursed women, all of her future generate), then women would have no doubt ruled this world. I often wonder just how different that would have been? But God changed the course of female hisrory when he did this. But women still hold the power of Eve within them; and some have most definitely discovered how to tap into it. How to " Use their tools" and add a sharp consciousness to that bag.

And I want to go into this Eve effect and the effect I think it has had on women, and this world.

Firstly, why does God cursing Eve (who is blamed for the action of both of them) automatically mean that he is cursing all future generations of women? In all other parts of the Bible, at the worst, the sins of the father are only visited on the sons to the seventh generation which would have absolved women about two hundred generations ago at the very least.

Also, you do not need to wonder what rule by women would have been like, there are many matriarchal societies documented throughout history to serve as examples and very good they were too.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon May 19, 2014 4:07 pm

Mickiel;1454739 wrote: Some of " Us." Some of " Us" are getting off the bus, or the thread. Hey, if your getting off, why not just get yourself off, why try and manipulate others to get off; that is like speaking for others;

and that is what I mean by manipulation; its a subtle deception that looks to influence others.

You flatter me.........everything since time immemorial laid out for us all, my boat rocking shouldn't count for much in the great scheme of things.

Peace Im off

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon May 19, 2014 4:16 pm

Bryn Mawr;1454740 wrote: Firstly, why does God cursing Eve (who is blamed for the action of both of them) automatically mean that he is cursing all future generations of women? In all other parts of the Bible, at the worst, the sins of the father are only visited on the sons to the seventh generation which would have absolved women about two hundred generations ago at the very least.QUOTE

In Genesis 3:15 God clearly stated that his curse would be on " The Woman's Seed", meaning all of her future generate. So the curse was generational, it was passed down through the bloodlines, and a look at history suggest that very fact.

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Also, you do not need to wonder what rule by women would have been like, there are many matriarchal societies documented throughout history to serve as examples and very good they were too.

No my thoughts go beyond just those examples, I wonder what it would have been like if all of history was ruled by women. What difference it would have made, so I second guess God and figure it would NOT have been a world that God wanted for our incubation.

I often wonder what difference it would make if Atheist ruled the world? What would really be different? What would change and how? Would they help humanity more than Theist have? I wonder.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon May 19, 2014 4:18 pm

Bruv;1454745 wrote: You flatter me.........everything since time immemorial laid out for us all, my boat rocking shouldn't count for much in the great scheme of things.

Peace Im off

There you go, " I'm" off;

not "Us" is off.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon May 19, 2014 6:22 pm

Bryn Mawr;1454733 wrote: LOL, you see :-

as evidence that Eve was a manipulator?

I see it as evidence that Adam was a weak man whose only thought was to find someone else to blame - the only person round was Eve and we've been blaming women ever since.

I call it "The Adam Effect".

Far to close to the truth for comfort.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon May 19, 2014 6:23 pm

Mickiel;1454734 wrote: That's close to the truth; except he is not trying to " Make us wish for anything, he could care less what we wish for;" God is going to get his way reguardless of how we feel. The evil was allowed by God to reinforce the " Womb of suffering " that he wanted humanity to be formulated in. Rom. 11:32. Its all in the bible, this most unusual concept of God's.

And I have shown it here a thousand times; and its been over looked every time; as it will be now.

You may have stated it a thousand times, but stating it does not make it so.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon May 19, 2014 6:40 pm

Bruv;1454737 wrote: Ayup !!!!

Katsung47 's back

I was about to say, about that bus,...

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon May 19, 2014 7:49 pm

Mickiel;1454739 wrote: Some of " Us." Some of " Us" are getting off the bus, or the thread. Hey, if your getting off, why not just get yourself off, why try and manipulate others to get off; that is like speaking for others;

and that is what I mean by manipulation; its a subtle deception that looks to influence others.

Ummm just an observation..............Hey, if your getting off, why not just get yourself off, why try and manipulate others to get off;

Does anyone have this vernicular in their vocabulary? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Bruv you are welcome to get me off any day

(of course I'm joking but that was really funny to read.)

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon May 19, 2014 8:03 pm

Oscar Sellotape;1454644 wrote: What's the difference between me taking the piss out of men and this thread ?

So you as an individual take the piss out of men ?......Ok .........and that's the operative words here "taking the piss".

Mickiels thread by his own admittance was a response to your own. But he wasn't taking the piss.

The difference here is, compare a comic stand up comedian taking the piss out of Hitler.................and someone who writes how Hitlers views were righteous and correct and was a legitimate understanding of history and current events of his time. Then go on to blame those affected as being the victims of a righteous god.

and actually believing it..........no matter how you dress it in innocence and scholarly back up ...it's still the same old message.

that's the difference.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon May 19, 2014 10:04 pm

LarsMac;1454755 wrote: Far to close to the truth for comfort.

Welcome to OUR world.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon May 19, 2014 10:05 pm

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl sorry still pissing myself over the 'getting off' comment. I was so angry and now I'm just laughing every time I come back.

It was almost like a line out of "whos line is it anyway" ...sorry ......'.back in bowl' megan' back in bowl'.

theia · Post by **theia** » Mon May 19, 2014 10:39 pm

Mickiel;1454738 wrote: I think Adam was " Weaker than Eve", and I most definitely view Eve as a manipulator. She manipulated Adam for sure, she " Made" him eat. Forced him to do it. Adam was not stupid, because the bible reveals that he was not deceived by satan, he was just smitten with his wife. He was probally crazy about Eve, and Eve knew it.

Once a women KNOWS you have a serious crush on her, that woman has you, and IF she wants to manipulate you, it will be very easy for her to do.

All of us, women and men, use some covert/overt manipulation when we're smitten. And, also when we're not smitten.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:13 am

Let me make this clear, my 'Getting off' phrase was figurative, relating this thread to a Bus and my stopping my journey early.

But I do appreciate the offer Fuzzy

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:46 am

It's the squirrels what are going to take over the world. It's right there in the bible, if anyone would just take the time to read it. And Fuzzy's going to lead them, you know. There's no need for fussing and fighting my friend because it's all there in the Good Book.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:01 am

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For instance - what evidence is there that can back up and confirm what happened in the so-called 'Garden of Eden' ? To blindly believe every word that is written in the bible is to have a closed mind IMO, and to demonstrate a large amount of gullibility ! This blind belief can very easily be the cause of terrible situations like violence in the home, or even wars.

Mikiel you should have been a politician ! You didn't answer my question, just skirted around it. Why didn't you just admit that there is no evidence except various verbal stories taken from somebody's imaginings ?

From what I have read in this thread, by the OP, it gives me the impression that he could be just an empty vessel making an awful lot of loud meaningless noise ! Mikiel, I believe that you are just a stirrer, and you don't really believe what you are saying but it is a way to get peoples' backs up and that seems to be your 'raison d'etre' (sorry there should be a tin hat over the first 'e' !

). I'm joining Bruv - getting off this going nowhere bus !

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:53 am

I'm going to throw a spanner In the works here.... I watched a two hour documentary very recently that could pinpoint the exact area that was once The Garden of Eden. In an area where three rivers met but now under water... but according to this doco, It was entirely possible that It was aliens who planted Adam and Eve In the Garden of Eden to kick start superior human life on earth.... right now, that sounds almost the more sensible option.... and may possibly explain some people... haha

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue May 20, 2014 6:40 am

fuzzywuzzy;1454766 wrote: Welcome to OUR world.

I was there before you were out of nappies, Young'un.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue May 20, 2014 6:41 am

Oscar Sellotape;1454787 wrote: I'm going to throw a spanner In the works here.... I watched a two hour documentary very recently that could pinpoint the exact area that was once The Garden of Eden. In an area where three rivers met but now under water... but according to this doco, It was entirely possible that It was aliens who planted Adam and Eve In the Garden of Eden to kick start superior human life on earth.... right now, that sounds almost the more sensible option.... and may possibly explain some people... haha

You may have something there, except I gotta ask, What happened to the "superior human" part?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue May 20, 2014 7:03 am

LarsMac;1454794 wrote: You may have something there, except I gotta ask, What happened to the "superior human" part? This backs up the Documentary as to location of The Garden Of Eden but as for the superior race... they argue It died out due to Interbreeding.... That's possibly where sin entered religion.

The Garden of Eden

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue May 20, 2014 8:27 am

Oscar Sellotape;1454787 wrote: .... the exact area that was once The Garden of Eden. ... where three rivers met but now under water...

A river(s) underwater! What an extraordinary situation! It's amazing how water can wipe out a river, innit!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue May 20, 2014 8:40 am

High Threshold;1454798 wrote: A river(s) underwater! What an extraordinary situation! It's amazing how water can wipe out a river, innit! Flooding

Juris Zarins believes that the Garden of Eden was situated at the head of the Persian Gulf, where the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers run into the sea, from his research on this area using information from many different sources, including Landsat images from space. In this theory, the Bible’s Gihon River would correspond with the Karun River in Iran, and the Pishon River would correspond to the Wadi Batin river system that once drained the now dry, but once quite fertile central part of the Arabian Peninsula

Garden of Eden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue May 20, 2014 8:43 am

Oscar Sellotape;1454795 wrote: This backs up the Documentary as to location of The Garden Of Eden but as for the superior race... they argue It died out due to Interbreeding.... That's possibly where sin entered religion.

The Garden of Eden

Ah, that explains, then.

The descendants of your alien-born superior race can now be found HERE

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue May 20, 2014 8:56 am

LarsMac;1454800 wrote: ... The descendants of your alien-born superior race can now be found

As subaquarian life forms or as fossil remnants?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:18 am

Oscar Sellotape;1454799 wrote: Flooding

Juris Zarins believes that the Garden of Eden was situated at the head of the Persian Gulf, where the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers run into the sea, from his research on this area using information from many different sources, including Landsat images from space. In this theory, the Bible’s Gihon River would correspond with the Karun River in Iran, and the Pishon River would correspond to the Wadi Batin river system that once drained the now dry, but once quite fertile central part of the Arabian Peninsula

Garden of Eden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have seen speculations as to the location of the garden of Eden, some better than others, but we really cannot say with certainty. In Genesis 3:24 God puts Cherubims at every entrance to Eden to hide its location. And it will not be found, unless God wants it found. I think its a place where somehow, both physical and spiritual worlds share a special cohesion; I think its simply off limits to our reality now. One thing I noted, was that these " Cherubims", some kind of creature God created which are actually described in Ezekiel 1:5-11, awesome weird looking things, had flaming swords which had fire in every direction; so wherever Eden is, fire is there to keep its location secret. I think a lot of fire! So we will never get to it. I don't think its surrounded by rivers or water, but fire.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:23 am

LarsMac;1454800 wrote: Ah, that explains, then.

The descendants of your alien-born superior race can now be found HERE Do you get a series In Sweden called ' Biblical mysteries explained' ? If you ever get It, It's a fascinating Insight Into how some of the biblical events can be explained by science.

For example, The Parting of the waves... they can now prove a Tsunami hit the Red Sea and what they believed to be parting of the waves In biblical times, could have been the moment when the sea recedes before the swell returns.

Most mysteries In the series have a scientific and rational explanation.

Biblical Mysteries Explained - TV.com

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:35 am

Oscar Sellotape;1454806 wrote: Do you get a series In Sweden called ' Biblical mysteries explained' ? If you ever get It, It's a fascinating Insight Into how some of the biblical events can be explained by science.

For example, The Parting of the waves... they can now prove a Tsunami hit the Red Sea and what they believed to be parting of the waves In biblical times, could have been the moment when the sea recedes before the swell returns.

Most mysteries In the series have a scientific and rational explanation.

I hope they do an episode on why I often leave the laundry room with an odd number of socks ........ the missing one never to be found.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:45 am

Yes, one way to obscure any location is to position fire-spurting gargoyles at the entrance(es). Who'd even think to look there! I mean, it's not as though it would attract your attention or anything.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:47 am

High Threshold;1454808 wrote: I hope they do an episode on why I often leave the laundry room with an odd number of socks ........ the missing one never to be found.

Do what I do... buy Multi packs of socks all the same colour haha

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:51 am

Oscar Sellotape;1454810 wrote: Do what I do... buy Multi packs of socks all the same colour haha

That's a good idea, but you still have to have an equal number of right ones and left ones.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:56 am

High Threshold;1454811 wrote: That's a good idea, but you still have to have an equal number of right ones and left ones.

But the law according to Sod, Is that the missing one will turn up months later when you have just thrown away the odd one. With Multi packs, when the odd one does turn up months later, you just add It to the pack because by then another one's gone missing.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:00 am

High Threshold;1454809 wrote: Yes, one way to obscure any location is to position fire-spurting gargoyles at the entrance(es). Who'd even think to look there! I mean, it's not as though it would attract your attention or anything.

I personally would not call them gargoyles, but I think the history of the gargoyle myth could be traced back to their description given in Ezekiel 1:5-13, they have 4 faces and 4 wings; they had straight feet and the sole of their feet was like a calf's foot, the color of these feet was like brass. They interestingly had the hands of a man under each wing; their wings were somehow joined together. Of the 4 faces, one was human, one was like a lion, one like an Ox and one like an Eagle, awesome stunning looking things, which human artist have borrowed from for centuries, and our myth makers.

Two of each of their wings covered their bodies, their appearance was like burning coals of fire , giving off great light. And lightning came out of the fire. And they moved as fast as lightening.

This is how Ezekiel described them. Stunning. Simply stunning to me.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:03 am

Oscar Sellotape;1454812 wrote: But the law according to Sod, Is that the missing one will turn up months later when you have just thrown away the odd one. With Multi packs, when the odd one does turn up months later, you just add It to the pack because by then another one's gone missing.

You should be leading the UN instead of wasting you time with us idiots.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:13 am

Bruv;1454776 wrote: Let me make this clear, my 'Getting off' phrase was figurative, relating this thread to a Bus and my stopping my journey early.

But I do appreciate the offer Fuzzy

I did say I was joking .

I almost spat coffee over the screen when I read it. FasF

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:20 am

Only a great power could have submitted ALL women to men in our beginning; I think that is the only way female submission could have began. It could not have " Evolved", how in the world of common sense could a thing like submission in a species evolve? And then it exist in every culture? It could not have been a worldwide female choice ; why would early woman choose such a thing? It could not have been males combining in committee and deciding to rule by force, why would they have even thought of that?

No, this was began just as the bible described it, a decree by God; but WHY God did it is totally misunderstood. He did not do it to make women some kind of second class citizen, I think he did it because women would have created a far better civilization and social structure than men have; and that would not be condusive to his plans for humanity. And his plans are WAY misunderstood as well.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:27 am

High Threshold;1454779 wrote: It's the squirrels what are going to take over the world. It's right there in the bible, if anyone would just take the time to read it. And Fuzzy's going to lead them, you know. There's no need for fussing and fighting my friend because it's all there in the Good Book.

ahhhh so that's why I hear yelling "oh god, oh god" at certain times?..........it's a long shot but I could actually be ........GOD!!!

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:34 am

fuzzywuzzy;1454820 wrote: ahhhh so that's why I hear yelling "oh god, oh god" at certain times?..........it's a long shot but I could actually be ........GOD!!!

:):):)

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:39 am

Mickiel;1454819 wrote: Only a great power could have submitted ALL women to men in our beginning; I think that is the only way female submission could have began. It could not have " Evolved", how in the world of common sense could a thing like submission in a species evolve? And then it exist in every culture? It could not have been a worldwide female choice ; why would early woman choose such a thing? It could not have been males combining in committee and deciding to rule by force, why would they have even thought of that?

No, this was began just as the bible described it, a decree by God; but WHY God did it is totally misunderstood. He did not do it to make women some kind of second class citizen, I think he did it because women would have created a far better civilization and social structure than men have; and that would not be condusive to his plans for humanity. And his plans are WAY misunderstood as well.

If you want to win the game, you put in the best players, if you want to throw the game, you put in the players who have the throwing mentality. Women were the best players on God's team, but God wanted this earth to experience a thrown reality, so he put men in charge.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:43 am

OMG!!! this bloke just can't help himself.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:44 am

Notice how submission is viewed by intellectuals, ;

Female submission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Absolutely no mention of the biblical perspective , as usual, it is totally excluded.

As real truth often is.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:45 am

fuzzywuzzy;1454830 wrote: OMG!!! this bloke just can't help himself.

You noticed.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:46 am

i think it's time 'to send the boys round'

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:47 am

fuzzywuzzy;1454834 wrote: i think it's time 'to send the boys round'

He is never at home.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:50 am

Bruv;1454835 wrote: He is never at home.

okay THAT was funny It's nearly four in the morning I'm suffering deep insomnia and I'm still laughing. **** I'm good.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:55 am

Notice how many respond to the act of submission;

Why do SOME women have a need to submit? | Answerbag

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue May 20, 2014 11:00 am

Okay I'm gunna punch the **** !!!!!!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue May 20, 2014 11:01 am

Mickiel;1454838 wrote: Notice how many respond to the act of submission;

Why do SOME women have a need to submit? | Answerbag

I think that " Need', is the Eve effect. Its the power of God and the proof of it; right there in every woman. Now, that effect is weakening, in many countries, which I think is a sign of the curse, or the decree, being lifted some what. But why?

Well it could be that because of God's plans, which are evidenced by world events, the curse may no longer be needed or relevant. Meaning in the coming future, it just will not matter who is dominant.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue May 20, 2014 11:02 am

Oh moderator? admin?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue May 20, 2014 11:07 am

Now, are men more intelligent than women? Well it depends; if you measure by height, the nod goes to tall women; interesting. But in many cases men are slightly more intelligent; BUT, even that " Depends on interesting variables":

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... gent-women

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue May 20, 2014 11:08 am

fuzzywuzzy;1454841 wrote: Oh moderator? admin?

What's it feel like Fuzzy, to know and see that people are interested in this thread?