There are valid reasons why there may be more men than women. How do you tell whether a person in a refugee, migrant economic or otherwise, asylum seeker ? Do they look different ?
I'm quite alarmed at the lack of empathy for people who have seen their families killed, houses bombed livelihoods wrecked. We cant begin to understand their struggle and suffering
Then we are bombarded by the garbage from the right wing press, facebook links all trying to manipulate our thoughts.
Ive seen reports about refugees and Muslims in general that are complete lies. Its a disgrace.
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/conten ... -refugees/
Migrants
Migrants
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Migrants
Lets ask ourselves what we would do given the same situation in our own back yard. Let's stop and think about it.
I would hope people would offer help. The language and narrative of hatred is just hideous
I would hope people would offer help. The language and narrative of hatred is just hideous
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Migrants
G#Gill;1486705 wrote: The UK is a tiny country and there is not enough room to cater for thousands of extra people. Germany, France, America are much better able to cater for such influxes of people - they have much more room.On a minor point of comparison, since you bring up population densities, the UK is less densely populated than, for example, the Philippines or Vietnam. They're not insignificant places, they each have a higher total population than the UK but no right of residence here. Despite the fact that if a couple of million of each did move here it would invigorate the UK workforce and reduce crowding back home.
India and Ceylon, 50% more people per square mile than the UK? But we're "too crowded" to take extra workers from the sub-continent?
Where else... Haiti 50% denser, Taiwan over twice the crowding, Palestine over 3 times the crowding - how about Bangladesh? 160 million Bangladeshis packed like sardines at four times the population density than the UK. Can we have a couple of million more Bangladeshis, perhaps, if crowding's a deciding issue?
Or is crowding not, in fact, a deciding issue.
India and Ceylon, 50% more people per square mile than the UK? But we're "too crowded" to take extra workers from the sub-continent?
Where else... Haiti 50% denser, Taiwan over twice the crowding, Palestine over 3 times the crowding - how about Bangladesh? 160 million Bangladeshis packed like sardines at four times the population density than the UK. Can we have a couple of million more Bangladeshis, perhaps, if crowding's a deciding issue?
Or is crowding not, in fact, a deciding issue.
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spot;1486707 wrote: Why, out of interest? Just because you were born here, what makes you feel more entitled to the economic advantage of living in this country than any other person on the planet? In what way are they any less deserving of the advantage?
Perhaps it would help their cause if they had paid tens of thousands of pounds into the UK's National Insurance or the Income Tax during their working life !
Perhaps it would help their cause if they had paid tens of thousands of pounds into the UK's National Insurance or the Income Tax during their working life !
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Migrants
spot;1486711 wrote:
Or is crowding not, in fact, a deciding issue.
The Uk is small in area compared to these other countries that are mentioned. As time goes by our precious farm land will be swamped with concrete. We are importing much of our food already and will no doubt be increasing those imports. The countries where this food is coming from could be overtaken by weather changes and cause their fertile land to become barren and useless, so where does that leave UK ? Think on................
I have always been taught that the nation that is self-sufficient in food will be the most powerful nation in the world. We are eons away from 'self-sufficient' so it will be cap-in-hand by UK to whichever country or countries have the whip-hand with regard to food. This is never likely to change, ever, as we build more and more houses for immigrants, and perhaps even including our own national homeless, thus covering our country with concrete. It is insanity IMO.
It is no wonder that there is a steady exiting of people, born in the UK, to other countries where,perhaps, they will find fairer treatment and escape from crowds. Unfortunately the numbers leaving the UK do not compensate for the vast numbers entering as migrants. I suppose things would be more balanced if 'outs' quantities matched 'ins' quantities.
Or is crowding not, in fact, a deciding issue.
The Uk is small in area compared to these other countries that are mentioned. As time goes by our precious farm land will be swamped with concrete. We are importing much of our food already and will no doubt be increasing those imports. The countries where this food is coming from could be overtaken by weather changes and cause their fertile land to become barren and useless, so where does that leave UK ? Think on................
I have always been taught that the nation that is self-sufficient in food will be the most powerful nation in the world. We are eons away from 'self-sufficient' so it will be cap-in-hand by UK to whichever country or countries have the whip-hand with regard to food. This is never likely to change, ever, as we build more and more houses for immigrants, and perhaps even including our own national homeless, thus covering our country with concrete. It is insanity IMO.
It is no wonder that there is a steady exiting of people, born in the UK, to other countries where,perhaps, they will find fairer treatment and escape from crowds. Unfortunately the numbers leaving the UK do not compensate for the vast numbers entering as migrants. I suppose things would be more balanced if 'outs' quantities matched 'ins' quantities.
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Migrants
G#Gill;1486716 wrote:
It is no wonder that there is a steady exiting of people, born in the UK, to other countries where,perhaps, they will find fairer treatment and escape from crowds.
So you find that quite acceptable but would rather not offer protection and asylum to those whos life has been bombed out of existence
It is no wonder that there is a steady exiting of people, born in the UK, to other countries where,perhaps, they will find fairer treatment and escape from crowds.
So you find that quite acceptable but would rather not offer protection and asylum to those whos life has been bombed out of existence
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Migrants
G#Gill;1486715 wrote: Perhaps it would help their cause if they had paid tens of thousands of pounds into the UK's National Insurance or the Income Tax during their working life !Why does that have an effect? Workers in the UK have had the opportunity to make those payments, Filipinos haven't. They come here to work, the consequence of their working is that they then start paying contributions. These people arriving aren't pensioners, they're active youngsters eager to be employed.
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G#Gill;1486716 wrote: The Uk is small in area compared to these other countries that are mentioned. As time goes by our precious farm land will be swamped with concrete. We are importing much of our food already and will no doubt be increasing those imports. The countries where this food is coming from could be overtaken by weather changes and cause their fertile land to become barren and useless, so where does that leave UK ? Think on................I think of farms with much the same revulsion I would think of, for example, the prisoner of war camps of the American Civil War or the Boer War. They, like British farms today, were places mired in atrocity, and if every British farm was replaced as soon as possible by food-manufacturing factories I would be overjoyed. We might then get the British countryside back in a less industrial state, fit for wildlife again.
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Statistically speaking there should be more women & children than there are men. First of all, women account for about 55% - 60% of the world's population. This alone would make it more likely to be a predominantly female refugee population. Add the number of children to that, and the balance of women & children to young men should be overwhelming, yet this is not the case.
The very fact that it has been admitted that they are going for broke & heading for the richest countries says it all. These are economic refugees, not asylum seekers. If they were asylum seekers, they would only need to reach the first safe country they arrive in.
The very fact that it has been admitted that they are going for broke & heading for the richest countries says it all. These are economic refugees, not asylum seekers. If they were asylum seekers, they would only need to reach the first safe country they arrive in.
Migrants
FourPart;1486724 wrote: Statistically speaking there should be more women & children than there are men. First of all, women account for about 55% - 60% of the world's population. This alone would make it more likely to be a predominantly female refugee population. Add the number of children to that, and the balance of women & children to young men should be overwhelming, yet this is not the case.
The very fact that it has been admitted that they are going for broke & heading for the richest countries says it all. These are economic refugees, not asylum seekers. If they were asylum seekers, they would only need to reach the first safe country they arrive in.
Five explanations why the majority of refugees reaching Europe are men. I linked it in a previous post.....
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/conten ... -refugees/
The very fact that it has been admitted that they are going for broke & heading for the richest countries says it all. These are economic refugees, not asylum seekers. If they were asylum seekers, they would only need to reach the first safe country they arrive in.
Five explanations why the majority of refugees reaching Europe are men. I linked it in a previous post.....
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/conten ... -refugees/
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Migrants
FourPart;1486724 wrote: First of all, women account for about 55% - 60% of the world's population.
I often wonder where you get your facts from.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/xx.html
World sex ratio: total population: 1.014 male(s)/female (2015 est.)
eta: that isn't, despite the way it looks, one male in a hundred being surplus to requirements. It's not a biological bias either. If you look at the age breakdown, live births are 1.03 male, but surviving males before puberty jumps to 1.07 which is an indication of how badly new-born girls are cared for in some societies. It suggests a higher proportion of girls die of parental neglect or infanticide, worldwide, compared to boys, because there's less value placed in raising girls within some cultures.
If you gathered all the pensioners alive in the world at the moment into one group, 55% of them are women. Grown men have a higher rate of attrition than women. Perhaps it was pensioners you were thinking of, but your pensioner is not your average migrant refugee.
I often wonder where you get your facts from.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/xx.html
World sex ratio: total population: 1.014 male(s)/female (2015 est.)
eta: that isn't, despite the way it looks, one male in a hundred being surplus to requirements. It's not a biological bias either. If you look at the age breakdown, live births are 1.03 male, but surviving males before puberty jumps to 1.07 which is an indication of how badly new-born girls are cared for in some societies. It suggests a higher proportion of girls die of parental neglect or infanticide, worldwide, compared to boys, because there's less value placed in raising girls within some cultures.
If you gathered all the pensioners alive in the world at the moment into one group, 55% of them are women. Grown men have a higher rate of attrition than women. Perhaps it was pensioners you were thinking of, but your pensioner is not your average migrant refugee.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
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There are over 4 million Syrian refugees outside the country, nearly 2 million in Turkey, over a million in Lebanon HERE
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Migrants
So they leave the women & children in the safety of the refugee camps, while making their way further towards the wealthier countries for themselves?
Migrants
FourPart;1486735 wrote: So they leave the women & children in the safety of the refugee camps, while making their way further towards the wealthier countries for themselves?
You could get a job writing headlines for the Sun or Mail.
Read the examples in the link Snowfire has given.......imagine you have left your own land and reached a place where they dole out rations daily but you live in a huge tented community with no privacy or or prospects. If you leave your beloved wife and children in the relative safety of this place, you could travel easier and faster with less worries the wife and children will become a liability when scaling fences, evading authorities at a lower cost to your funds, and when you are safely settled and have legalised your stay, you send for your family.
You could get a job writing headlines for the Sun or Mail.
Read the examples in the link Snowfire has given.......imagine you have left your own land and reached a place where they dole out rations daily but you live in a huge tented community with no privacy or or prospects. If you leave your beloved wife and children in the relative safety of this place, you could travel easier and faster with less worries the wife and children will become a liability when scaling fences, evading authorities at a lower cost to your funds, and when you are safely settled and have legalised your stay, you send for your family.
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Migrants
As I have already said, it is a desperately sad situation that so many people are fleeing from their own countries in terror from the war zone. People just migrating to a richer country in order to better their lot should seek asylum at the first safe country. People fleeing from war with a few meagre possessions and their families should be helped as much as possible by all countries that they manage to reach, and also helped by nations that may not necessarily become directly involved with this. This is a world problem . The criminals who are taking advantage and charging phenominal amounts of money to transport these desparate refugees in such flimsy boats, should be arrested and incarcerated, and the money (which I suspect is going straight to ISIS) should be shared out back to the refugees that it was stolen from.
I'm now too tired to discuss this any further, so I'll leave you to argue amongst yourselves.
I'm now too tired to discuss this any further, so I'll leave you to argue amongst yourselves.
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Migrants
Only time will tell what effects that unchecked mass-migration will bring. For myself, with 30-40 years to go before life fails, I fear for the future of the UK and it's citizens.
Muslims tend to be insular by nature, and they usually 'keep to their own'. As their population expands, and ours declines, what then?
A typical Muslim family tends to raise about 4 children; sometimes more. A typical 'white UK' family tends to raise 1 or 2 children; the demographics speak for themselves, even to those who were bottom of the class in maths (such as myself!).
Put simply, consider this country as a bath, with taps and a plug-hole. Out of the taps
'red water' (Muslims) is pouring into the blue water (white UK), whilst the 'blue water' is pouring out of the plug hole (emigration, white UK), and mixing with the remaining 'blue water'. Question; If this process continues unchecked indefinitely, how long until
the UK becomes a Muslim State?
Like it or not, thing ARE going to change in the UK, indeed we see this already, with
'whites' becoming a minority in some towns/cities already, and more than likely a PERSECUTED minority eventually, as we are considered INFIDELS (not of Allah).
It is precisely this mass influx that is encouraging the rapid growth of the far-right in the UK, as well as in Europe AND Russia. It's no coincidence, and to be honest, only a
fool would say that it is!
Quite what the answer is to this, I'm not at all sure, but it's surely NOT more unchecked mass immigration to our already tense and crowded island;-not unless we
want to see massive 'race riots' in the future!
Maybe this is now inevitable, thanks to our 'open door' policy for the last 2 decades, and our complacent, easy-going attitude, coupled with our political apathy.
We have sown the wind, and will reap the whirlwind, methinks....
Muslims tend to be insular by nature, and they usually 'keep to their own'. As their population expands, and ours declines, what then?
A typical Muslim family tends to raise about 4 children; sometimes more. A typical 'white UK' family tends to raise 1 or 2 children; the demographics speak for themselves, even to those who were bottom of the class in maths (such as myself!).
Put simply, consider this country as a bath, with taps and a plug-hole. Out of the taps
'red water' (Muslims) is pouring into the blue water (white UK), whilst the 'blue water' is pouring out of the plug hole (emigration, white UK), and mixing with the remaining 'blue water'. Question; If this process continues unchecked indefinitely, how long until
the UK becomes a Muslim State?
Like it or not, thing ARE going to change in the UK, indeed we see this already, with
'whites' becoming a minority in some towns/cities already, and more than likely a PERSECUTED minority eventually, as we are considered INFIDELS (not of Allah).
It is precisely this mass influx that is encouraging the rapid growth of the far-right in the UK, as well as in Europe AND Russia. It's no coincidence, and to be honest, only a
fool would say that it is!
Quite what the answer is to this, I'm not at all sure, but it's surely NOT more unchecked mass immigration to our already tense and crowded island;-not unless we
want to see massive 'race riots' in the future!
Maybe this is now inevitable, thanks to our 'open door' policy for the last 2 decades, and our complacent, easy-going attitude, coupled with our political apathy.
We have sown the wind, and will reap the whirlwind, methinks....
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Migrants
spot;1486657 wrote: 1. If you have to go back ten years for an article then you're clutching at straws.
2. Describing Migration Watch as unbiased is ludicrous, it's as reputable as a man seen at midnight near a rabbit warren with ferrets in both pockets, a dark lantern, a lurcher, and carrying a cosh just in case.
Think what you just said, Spot. The article is 10 years old; how many more immigrants have arrived since then?
As for migration watch, they're worried (as many folk are) about the level if immigration to this country; it's as reputable as a man seen at midnight near a rabbit warren with ferrets in both pockets, a dark lantern, a lurcher, and carrying a cosh just in case. is only your opinion, I suspect. They were often quoted in the BBC news, and still are at times.... Feel free to mock, though, if it adds colour and tone to your daily life....
The government seem unwilling (or unable) to provide accurate figures here, so what would you suggest? I have provided several different links on this topic in an attempt to provide as unbiased an overview as possible, but I can't work miracles!
I suspect that the government don't want us to know the true scale of immigration here, for fear of the ensuing backlash! How typical!! Their motto seems to be "just bury your head in the sand; If I can't see the monster, it can't see me..."
Dream on....
2. Describing Migration Watch as unbiased is ludicrous, it's as reputable as a man seen at midnight near a rabbit warren with ferrets in both pockets, a dark lantern, a lurcher, and carrying a cosh just in case.
Think what you just said, Spot. The article is 10 years old; how many more immigrants have arrived since then?
As for migration watch, they're worried (as many folk are) about the level if immigration to this country; it's as reputable as a man seen at midnight near a rabbit warren with ferrets in both pockets, a dark lantern, a lurcher, and carrying a cosh just in case. is only your opinion, I suspect. They were often quoted in the BBC news, and still are at times.... Feel free to mock, though, if it adds colour and tone to your daily life....
The government seem unwilling (or unable) to provide accurate figures here, so what would you suggest? I have provided several different links on this topic in an attempt to provide as unbiased an overview as possible, but I can't work miracles!
I suspect that the government don't want us to know the true scale of immigration here, for fear of the ensuing backlash! How typical!! Their motto seems to be "just bury your head in the sand; If I can't see the monster, it can't see me..."
Dream on....
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Migrants
I'm eager to see the extent to which your predictive powers are accurate, much as I was with Truthbringer. It would, therefore, help a great deal if you could provide some sort of dates for these future eventualities you foresee.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
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I wrote a long reply......and I just couldn't bring myself to finish the in and out of quotes nonsense.
I was amused by the "Muslims tend to be insular by nature" and them tending to have 4 or more children........as if Muslims were an homogeneous mass.....and not a mixture of different nationalities and cultures and colours. And the 'keep to their own' had me rolling on the floor........Adil Ray came to mind first....(I would deport him on the strength of Citizen Khan alone) Then a quick google gave me lists of the buggers....oh well.
I was amused by the "Muslims tend to be insular by nature" and them tending to have 4 or more children........as if Muslims were an homogeneous mass.....and not a mixture of different nationalities and cultures and colours. And the 'keep to their own' had me rolling on the floor........Adil Ray came to mind first....(I would deport him on the strength of Citizen Khan alone) Then a quick google gave me lists of the buggers....oh well.
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Migrants
There is a very real fear here on this thread, though, that Islamic immigrants might immerse and overpower the existing society. Is that a bad thing? Or is it just what has happened many times in the past? Is it preventable? Or is it a force majeur of history?
I see that same exact fear here in the American Southwest as Hispanic and Mexican immigrants are beginning to outnumber the Anglo-American settlers. (Of course, Hispanics don't have Sharia Law, but they do have a very paternal-based culture and is similarly unfriendly to women.) What to do? Trump wants to deport them all and build a wall.
Me? I'm a teacher. I already have massively hispanic classes.
So I'm learning to speak Spanish and do the Flamenco...
I see that same exact fear here in the American Southwest as Hispanic and Mexican immigrants are beginning to outnumber the Anglo-American settlers. (Of course, Hispanics don't have Sharia Law, but they do have a very paternal-based culture and is similarly unfriendly to women.) What to do? Trump wants to deport them all and build a wall.
Me? I'm a teacher. I already have massively hispanic classes.
So I'm learning to speak Spanish and do the Flamenco...
Migrants
Smaug;1486753 wrote: We have sown the wind, and will reap the whirlwind, methinks....
Really, I want dates.
Becoming a Muslim country means adopting Islam as the State Religion, presumably. That's what all the other professed Islamic States like Saudi Arabia have in their Constitution. At the moment, the State Religion of the United Kingdom is Anglicanism, with the Queen as the Supreme Governor, which is midway equivalent between Grand Ayatollah and Caliph.
So - a year, please. A testable prediction. In what year do you expect the United Kingdom to adopt Islam as its State religion. There's the first.
Another year: when do you think Islam will be the professed faith of the majority of citizens of the UK. 2018? 2023? Give a date we can put in our diaries to see how close you are. Is anyone currently alive who might see it happen before they die, for example.
Another date: By what year do you expect the majority of the UK to no longer qualify as Aryan under any potential racial definition you care to adopt. By all means use the word White if you find that easier to use. Or "Ethnically Traditional British"? It's the date we want but you have to tell us the definition you're inventing.
Really, I want dates.
Becoming a Muslim country means adopting Islam as the State Religion, presumably. That's what all the other professed Islamic States like Saudi Arabia have in their Constitution. At the moment, the State Religion of the United Kingdom is Anglicanism, with the Queen as the Supreme Governor, which is midway equivalent between Grand Ayatollah and Caliph.
So - a year, please. A testable prediction. In what year do you expect the United Kingdom to adopt Islam as its State religion. There's the first.
Another year: when do you think Islam will be the professed faith of the majority of citizens of the UK. 2018? 2023? Give a date we can put in our diaries to see how close you are. Is anyone currently alive who might see it happen before they die, for example.
Another date: By what year do you expect the majority of the UK to no longer qualify as Aryan under any potential racial definition you care to adopt. By all means use the word White if you find that easier to use. Or "Ethnically Traditional British"? It's the date we want but you have to tell us the definition you're inventing.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Migrants
Yes but...................what about the original question ?
Which was...........How to solve the present massive European migration issue ?
Which was...........How to solve the present massive European migration issue ?
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Migrants
spot;1486775 wrote: Really, I want dates.
Try Tinder. It worked for a friend of mine. She's in a relationship now.
In what year do you expect the United Kingdom to adopt Islam as its State religion.
2115 - I predict that about two centuries will do it.
Another year: when do you think Islam will be the professed faith of the majority of citizens of the UK....and non-Aryan?
Well it took America about 158 years for the Anglo population to become a minority and the Hispanic to become a majority after the Mexican-American War...so let's just say a nice round 150 years, OK?
Try Tinder. It worked for a friend of mine. She's in a relationship now.
In what year do you expect the United Kingdom to adopt Islam as its State religion.
2115 - I predict that about two centuries will do it.
Another year: when do you think Islam will be the professed faith of the majority of citizens of the UK....and non-Aryan?
Well it took America about 158 years for the Anglo population to become a minority and the Hispanic to become a majority after the Mexican-American War...so let's just say a nice round 150 years, OK?
Migrants
Saint_;1486780 wrote: 2115 - I predict that about two centuries will do it.
Well it took America about 158 years for the Anglo population to become a minority and the Hispanic to become a majority after the Mexican-American War...so let's just say a nice round 150 years, OK?
Can you think of any instance - ignoring bull**** like modern post-event re-interpretations of Nostradamus - of anyone, anywhere, ever, making a successful prediction of what the world will be like 150 years into the future? And if it's so rare an event - I can actually think of one that came surprisingly close with a mere 100 year prediction - if it's so rare, why do you think some minor unknown prophet from that Wretched Backwater of Penury which calls itself The North is going to be good at it, when if he actually were good at it he'd be earning $300k a year consultancy fees from some anonymous but influential United Nations think-tank. Or, if he could bring himself to Salute The Flag every morning, the Rand Corporation.
Well it took America about 158 years for the Anglo population to become a minority and the Hispanic to become a majority after the Mexican-American War...so let's just say a nice round 150 years, OK?
Can you think of any instance - ignoring bull**** like modern post-event re-interpretations of Nostradamus - of anyone, anywhere, ever, making a successful prediction of what the world will be like 150 years into the future? And if it's so rare an event - I can actually think of one that came surprisingly close with a mere 100 year prediction - if it's so rare, why do you think some minor unknown prophet from that Wretched Backwater of Penury which calls itself The North is going to be good at it, when if he actually were good at it he'd be earning $300k a year consultancy fees from some anonymous but influential United Nations think-tank. Or, if he could bring himself to Salute The Flag every morning, the Rand Corporation.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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Migrants
Firstly, I'm not Nostadamus, Spot! To ask for a date/year that the UK will become an Islamic state is like trying to predict exactly when Yellowstone will 'blow it's top'! I would expect that, given the current level of immigration, plus the birthrate demographics, that it will be in my lifetime, if not in yours. Asking for a date is rather bootless; mighty as well ask for the exact time time as well!
Just because YOU can't see the danger, does this mean that it doesn't exist? You can't see Africa with the naked eye from here either, does that mean Africa doesn't exist also? I can see the way things are going here, even if you can't
(or wont). I wrote quite a long post on this subject earlier, and I don't see any reason to repeat it.
There are none so blind as those that choose not to see! Still, that's your privilege, and you're entitled to it. I know a great many older folk who have seen this country change almost beyond all recognition in the last 30 years or so;
goodness knows how much more change we'll have to endure in the next 30-odd years, foisted on us by politicians andindustrialists with hidden agendas.
We have been systematically dis-enfranchised from having an effective say in how our country is run for long enough now, for a great many reasons (political apathy for one, lying politicians, industrialists after cheap labour for another, the EU for yet another), not to mention gerrymandered political boundaries, coupled with a refusal to adopt PR for electing government here in the UK.
If you think back 100 years or so, to what made this little island of our a world power, several things spring to mind, in no particular order;
1. Large families.
2. Hard work.
3. Self-respect and confidence.
4. Governments that put OUR interests first.
When you consider Muslims as a whole, they embody the first 3 points, and at the rate that they are filling council seats in certain areas, it won't be so many years until you can add point 4 to that list;- when that happens, watch out if you're not a Muslim....I have several Muslim associates I've known for many years, and they agree that the UK will probably
adopt Sharia law (in part, or in whole) at some future date. Liaquat (pronounced Laker) reckons it's inevitable if things continue as they are. Yes, Liaquat is a Muslim. Luckily, he's a 'moderate', but there are many who aren't, and that figure is growing.
And people wonder why we're in such a mess here? The naivete is mind-blowing!!
Just because YOU can't see the danger, does this mean that it doesn't exist? You can't see Africa with the naked eye from here either, does that mean Africa doesn't exist also? I can see the way things are going here, even if you can't
(or wont). I wrote quite a long post on this subject earlier, and I don't see any reason to repeat it.
There are none so blind as those that choose not to see! Still, that's your privilege, and you're entitled to it. I know a great many older folk who have seen this country change almost beyond all recognition in the last 30 years or so;
goodness knows how much more change we'll have to endure in the next 30-odd years, foisted on us by politicians andindustrialists with hidden agendas.
We have been systematically dis-enfranchised from having an effective say in how our country is run for long enough now, for a great many reasons (political apathy for one, lying politicians, industrialists after cheap labour for another, the EU for yet another), not to mention gerrymandered political boundaries, coupled with a refusal to adopt PR for electing government here in the UK.
If you think back 100 years or so, to what made this little island of our a world power, several things spring to mind, in no particular order;
1. Large families.
2. Hard work.
3. Self-respect and confidence.
4. Governments that put OUR interests first.
When you consider Muslims as a whole, they embody the first 3 points, and at the rate that they are filling council seats in certain areas, it won't be so many years until you can add point 4 to that list;- when that happens, watch out if you're not a Muslim....I have several Muslim associates I've known for many years, and they agree that the UK will probably
adopt Sharia law (in part, or in whole) at some future date. Liaquat (pronounced Laker) reckons it's inevitable if things continue as they are. Yes, Liaquat is a Muslim. Luckily, he's a 'moderate', but there are many who aren't, and that figure is growing.
And people wonder why we're in such a mess here? The naivete is mind-blowing!!
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Migrants
In many UK towns Islam already is the majority Religion.
"Rivers of Blood" comes to mind.
"Rivers of Blood" comes to mind.
Migrants
Smaug;1486791 wrote: it will be in my lifetime, if not in yours.Oh, I say. I may be old enough to have fathered you but that's scarcely a fair fact to bring into this discussion. A little more couth, please.
Just because YOU can't see the danger, does this mean that it doesn't exist?Well yes, to be frank. It mostly boils down to being well-informed and capable of rational analysis. I shall forbear to mention those other aspects which take the answer from mere likelihood to slam-dunk certainty.
Just because YOU can't see the danger, does this mean that it doesn't exist?Well yes, to be frank. It mostly boils down to being well-informed and capable of rational analysis. I shall forbear to mention those other aspects which take the answer from mere likelihood to slam-dunk certainty.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Migrants
"Rivers of Blood" was racist then and is as racist now. Nothing has changed. Nothing that man said then is relevent now.
Do predictions have a best by date. How long after can one wait, to still think its prudent to think it has come to fruit ?
Do predictions have a best by date. How long after can one wait, to still think its prudent to think it has come to fruit ?
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Migrants
FourPart;1486793 wrote: In many UK towns Islam already is the majority Religion.
"Rivers of Blood" comes to mind.
I seem to hear 14 white youths chanting.One such incident, reported under the headline "Coloured family attacked", took place on 30 April 1968 in Wolverhampton itself: it involved a slashing incident with 14 white youths chanting "Powell" and "Why don't you go back to your own country?" at patrons of a West Indian christening party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech
Snowfire;1486795 wrote: "Rivers of Blood" was racist then and is as racist now. Nothing has changed. Nothing that man said then is relevent now.
Enoch Powell was not, despite current public opinion, a racist. He had an enviable reputation for not being racist and for standing up against racism.
Here's Mary Beard on what Enoch Powell actually said, and that he was prefixing his next remarks as oracular. In effect he was saying "you mark my words". What he was not doing was predicting civil war.
A Don’s Life: "Rivers of Blood" -- what Enoch Powell didn't say
"Rivers of Blood" comes to mind.
I seem to hear 14 white youths chanting.One such incident, reported under the headline "Coloured family attacked", took place on 30 April 1968 in Wolverhampton itself: it involved a slashing incident with 14 white youths chanting "Powell" and "Why don't you go back to your own country?" at patrons of a West Indian christening party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech
Snowfire;1486795 wrote: "Rivers of Blood" was racist then and is as racist now. Nothing has changed. Nothing that man said then is relevent now.
Enoch Powell was not, despite current public opinion, a racist. He had an enviable reputation for not being racist and for standing up against racism.
Here's Mary Beard on what Enoch Powell actually said, and that he was prefixing his next remarks as oracular. In effect he was saying "you mark my words". What he was not doing was predicting civil war.
A Don’s Life: "Rivers of Blood" -- what Enoch Powell didn't say
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Migrants
spot;1486783 wrote: Can you think of any instance - ignoring bull**** like modern post-event re-interpretations of Nostradamus - of anyone, anywhere, ever, making a successful prediction of what the world will be like 150 years into the future? And if it's so rare an event - I can actually think of one that came surprisingly close with a mere 100 year prediction - if it's so rare, why do you think some minor unknown prophet from that Wretched Backwater of Penury which calls itself The North is going to be good at it, when if he actually were good at it he'd be earning $300k a year consultancy fees from some anonymous but influential United Nations think-tank. Or, if he could bring himself to Salute The Flag every morning, the Rand Corporation.
LOL. Now that's some good sarcasm!
But seriously, I think the Hispanic / Anglo switch of majority minority shows that such a thing is actually possible, yes? I'll bet if I do some research, (for which I have absolutely no extra time), I'd find examples in the past of migratory populations that mixed with then surpassed the indigenous population.
LOL. Now that's some good sarcasm!
But seriously, I think the Hispanic / Anglo switch of majority minority shows that such a thing is actually possible, yes? I'll bet if I do some research, (for which I have absolutely no extra time), I'd find examples in the past of migratory populations that mixed with then surpassed the indigenous population.
Migrants
While I understand the misquote and that what he actually said was from classic literature, does it make it "any more palatable", to quote one of the comments. The sense people got from what he said was that he was warning us from allowing a flood of different cultures into the Country.
He is, after all, and regardless of his brilliant intellect, a darling of the far right
He is, after all, and regardless of his brilliant intellect, a darling of the far right
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Migrants
Saint_;1486800 wrote: LOL. Now that's some good sarcasm!
But seriously, I think the Hispanic / Anglo switch of majority minority shows that such a thing is actually possible, yes? I'll bet if I do some research, (for which I have absolutely no extra time), I'd find examples in the past of migratory populations that mixed with then surpassed the indigenous population.
Native Americans and you lot.......the current Americans ?
Jamaicans and the original Jamaicans........Arawaks ?
Australians and the original Australians.......Aborigines ?
But seriously, I think the Hispanic / Anglo switch of majority minority shows that such a thing is actually possible, yes? I'll bet if I do some research, (for which I have absolutely no extra time), I'd find examples in the past of migratory populations that mixed with then surpassed the indigenous population.
Native Americans and you lot.......the current Americans ?
Jamaicans and the original Jamaicans........Arawaks ?
Australians and the original Australians.......Aborigines ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Migrants
Race Riots are a reality.
Islamic Terrorism is a reality.
Demands for Sharia Law in the UK is a reality.
These are not wild claims of a Racist alarmist - they are things we are seeing on the news every day. The "Rivers of Blood" metaphor (""As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'") seems to me to be very prophetic of what is a growing reality now.
Islamic Terrorism is a reality.
Demands for Sharia Law in the UK is a reality.
These are not wild claims of a Racist alarmist - they are things we are seeing on the news every day. The "Rivers of Blood" metaphor (""As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'") seems to me to be very prophetic of what is a growing reality now.
Migrants
Powell was clever enough to infer for the purpose of tomorrows headlines something that later he could deny.
He made a career of enigmatically and pompously denying what the far right held as the gospel according to that clever Conservative politician wiv a posh voice Mister Powell ennit ? And esa toff ain't he ?
He made a career of enigmatically and pompously denying what the far right held as the gospel according to that clever Conservative politician wiv a posh voice Mister Powell ennit ? And esa toff ain't he ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Migrants
FourPart;1486793 wrote: In many UK towns Islam already is the majority Religion.Excuse my going back to this but I'd quite like to call you on it. There is no town anywhere in the UK in which the majority of the population is Muslim. Or were you claiming something else. If that's what you were, in fact, claiming, would you like to name one?
Here's some baseline real numbers, to help: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/20 ... igion.html and http://www.channel4.com/news/muslim-bri ... ers-survey
Here's some baseline real numbers, to help: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/20 ... igion.html and http://www.channel4.com/news/muslim-bri ... ers-survey
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Migrants
Bruv;1486807 wrote: Powell was clever enough to infer for the purpose of tomorrows headlines something that later he could deny.
Ah. Yes, I'd concede that. And for all his undoubted worthy and impressive attributes I wouldn't have enjoyed his company at all.
On the other hand, all he warned of came to pass, he was right in what he said would happen, we do indeed have a multicultural country - his primary complaint - as a consequence of the short-sighted unintended immigration policy he lambasted. I'm delighted there were such opportunist politicians back then when they slipped on their banana skin, I love what they managed to inadvertently accomplish. The fact that they'd be apoplectic if they came back for a day and saw what they'd done just makes it all the better.
My own opinion, should anyone ask me for a long-range prediction based on what has consistently happened in England over the last thousand years with occasional hiccups like the Pilgrim Fathers, is that a hundred years from now Islam and Christianity will both be lumped under the same heading of "delusional mental illness" by nine out of ten citizens of this country, and become an antiquarian hobby for the remainder much as Anglicanism already is for clergy and laity alike. The few remaining True Believers will be shunned with the same pity lepers used to induce - how sad, but don't borrow my bed.
Ah. Yes, I'd concede that. And for all his undoubted worthy and impressive attributes I wouldn't have enjoyed his company at all.
On the other hand, all he warned of came to pass, he was right in what he said would happen, we do indeed have a multicultural country - his primary complaint - as a consequence of the short-sighted unintended immigration policy he lambasted. I'm delighted there were such opportunist politicians back then when they slipped on their banana skin, I love what they managed to inadvertently accomplish. The fact that they'd be apoplectic if they came back for a day and saw what they'd done just makes it all the better.
My own opinion, should anyone ask me for a long-range prediction based on what has consistently happened in England over the last thousand years with occasional hiccups like the Pilgrim Fathers, is that a hundred years from now Islam and Christianity will both be lumped under the same heading of "delusional mental illness" by nine out of ten citizens of this country, and become an antiquarian hobby for the remainder much as Anglicanism already is for clergy and laity alike. The few remaining True Believers will be shunned with the same pity lepers used to induce - how sad, but don't borrow my bed.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Migrants
spot;1486794 wrote: Oh, I say. I may be old enough to have fathered you but that's scarcely a fair fact to bring into this discussion. A little more couth, please.
Well yes, to be frank. It mostly boils down to being well-informed and capable of rational analysis. I shall forbear to mention those other aspects which take the answer from mere likelihood to slam-dunk certainty.
You give the impression of being so far 'up yourself' it's a miracle you haven't disappeared into your own existence....
I'm truly staggered at the dismissive arrogance you can sometimes display!
As for being old enough to be my Father, tempt me not to declare: "There's no fool like an old fool".
Well yes, to be frank. It mostly boils down to being well-informed and capable of rational analysis. I shall forbear to mention those other aspects which take the answer from mere likelihood to slam-dunk certainty.
You give the impression of being so far 'up yourself' it's a miracle you haven't disappeared into your own existence....
I'm truly staggered at the dismissive arrogance you can sometimes display!
As for being old enough to be my Father, tempt me not to declare: "There's no fool like an old fool".
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Migrants
Smaug;1486813 wrote: I'm truly staggered at the dismissive arrogance you can sometimes display!
How kind. One does one's best.
How kind. One does one's best.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Migrants
Smaug;1486813 wrote: You give the impression of being so far 'up yourself' it's a miracle you haven't disappeared into your own existence....
I'm truly staggered at the dismissive arrogance you can sometimes display!
As for being old enough to be my Father, tempt me not to declare: "There's no fool like an old fool".
Are you trying to tell Mr Spot he ought to take a back seat for the launch of The Peoples Party ?
I'm truly staggered at the dismissive arrogance you can sometimes display!
As for being old enough to be my Father, tempt me not to declare: "There's no fool like an old fool".
Are you trying to tell Mr Spot he ought to take a back seat for the launch of The Peoples Party ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Migrants
FourPart;1486805 wrote: Race Riots are a reality.
Islamic Terrorism is a reality.
Demands for Sharia Law in the UK is a reality.
These are not wild claims of a Racist alarmist - they are things we are seeing on the news every day. The "Rivers of Blood" metaphor (""As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'") seems to me to be very prophetic of what is a growing reality now.
Well, I'm glad the naivete displayed by certain members in regard to the growing racial tension in the UK doesn't include you, FourPart! You see the same dangers that I, and many other clear-sighted folk do. Time will more than likely prove these fears are well founded, though I wouldn't mind being wrong on this, not in the least!!
Rivers of blood, indeed!
The many years of corrupt mis-rule by self-interested, lying, swindling politicians and their greedy industrialist votaries are starting to show signs of yielding their grisly fruit now.
Islamic Terrorism is a reality.
Demands for Sharia Law in the UK is a reality.
These are not wild claims of a Racist alarmist - they are things we are seeing on the news every day. The "Rivers of Blood" metaphor (""As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'") seems to me to be very prophetic of what is a growing reality now.
Well, I'm glad the naivete displayed by certain members in regard to the growing racial tension in the UK doesn't include you, FourPart! You see the same dangers that I, and many other clear-sighted folk do. Time will more than likely prove these fears are well founded, though I wouldn't mind being wrong on this, not in the least!!
Rivers of blood, indeed!
The many years of corrupt mis-rule by self-interested, lying, swindling politicians and their greedy industrialist votaries are starting to show signs of yielding their grisly fruit now.
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Migrants
Bruv;1486815 wrote: Are you trying to tell Mr Spot he ought to take a back seat for the launch of The Peoples Party ?
I wasn't actually, but now that you mention it....
Can you think of a greater calamity for the nascent 'Peoples Party'?
I wasn't actually, but now that you mention it....
Can you think of a greater calamity for the nascent 'Peoples Party'?
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Migrants
Saint_;1486800 wrote: But seriously, I think the Hispanic / Anglo switch of majority minority shows that such a thing is actually possible, yes? I'll bet if I do some research, (for which I have absolutely no extra time), I'd find examples in the past of migratory populations that mixed with then surpassed the indigenous population.
Two issues - firstly, I'm not sure what this "Hispanic / Anglo switch of majority minority" actually refers to, but I very much doubt that it means there are more people self-describing as Hispanic within the borders of the USA than self-describe as White. What precisely does the term denote?
Secondly, I'm baffled by this term "indigenous population" - when do you think these Hispanics arrived? They were already there when Drake mapped San Francisco Bay, he stole their treasure fleets, he raided Spanish colonies the length of the Pacific, Drake was the devil incarnate as far as the Spanish settlers were concerned. Were there "Anglo" settlements when Drake did that? Surely Rowanoake and Jamestown were later. Which James do you think Jamestown was referring to? Drake was long dead by then, sleeping in his hammock and a thousand miles away. Who was the "indigenous population"?
If anyone asked me, I'd say there has been more Hispanics than "Anglo"s on the American continent every year since stout Cortez with eagle eyes stared at the Pacific. The USA constitutes a mere 37% of the North American landmass, from memory, and there's all of South America to consider too. Indigenous? Anglo? Try to explain a little.
Two issues - firstly, I'm not sure what this "Hispanic / Anglo switch of majority minority" actually refers to, but I very much doubt that it means there are more people self-describing as Hispanic within the borders of the USA than self-describe as White. What precisely does the term denote?
Secondly, I'm baffled by this term "indigenous population" - when do you think these Hispanics arrived? They were already there when Drake mapped San Francisco Bay, he stole their treasure fleets, he raided Spanish colonies the length of the Pacific, Drake was the devil incarnate as far as the Spanish settlers were concerned. Were there "Anglo" settlements when Drake did that? Surely Rowanoake and Jamestown were later. Which James do you think Jamestown was referring to? Drake was long dead by then, sleeping in his hammock and a thousand miles away. Who was the "indigenous population"?
If anyone asked me, I'd say there has been more Hispanics than "Anglo"s on the American continent every year since stout Cortez with eagle eyes stared at the Pacific. The USA constitutes a mere 37% of the North American landmass, from memory, and there's all of South America to consider too. Indigenous? Anglo? Try to explain a little.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Migrants
spot;1486814 wrote: How kind. One does one's best.
It's hardly an accusation most normal folk would be proud of....but then again, are you saying you're not normal?
I can go along with that....
It's hardly an accusation most normal folk would be proud of....but then again, are you saying you're not normal?
I can go along with that....
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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Smaug;1486820 wrote: It's hardly an accusation most normal folk would be proud of....
Accusation? I thought you had complimented my command of English.
Accusation? I thought you had complimented my command of English.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Migrants
spot;1486821 wrote: Accusation? I thought you had complimented my command of English.
Maybe your command of the English language is not as all-encompassing as you thought, if you see my comment as a compliment? Arrogance is usually viewed as a flaw, not a virtue!
But then again, maybe different rules apply in 'Spot-World'?
Maybe your command of the English language is not as all-encompassing as you thought, if you see my comment as a compliment? Arrogance is usually viewed as a flaw, not a virtue!
But then again, maybe different rules apply in 'Spot-World'?
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Migrants
Well...........................this isn't getting the migrant crisis solved is it gents ?
No wonder the EU can't get agreement.
No wonder the EU can't get agreement.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Migrants
Bruv;1486823 wrote: Well...........................this isn't getting the migrant crisis solved is it gents ?
No wonder the EU can't get agreement.
Does the EU ever agree on anything, Bruv? Except how to extract (and waste) more money from it's member-states!
I would agree that we are no nearer to reaching a consensus on dealing with the migrant crisis,
though. I know what I would do, but I doubt you'll like the answers, common sense though they
may be viewed as.
1. Stop interfering with cultures we do not fully understand in the name of 'freedom and democracy'.
2. Educate and support strife-torn countries so that the local populace see their homeland as a
safe and suitable place to live, until such time as those places can support themselves without
external help. And I do mean help, as opposed to threats of military action.
3. Shut the door on mass-immigration.
4. Exit the un-democratic EU, and revert to the EEC (if possible). If not, then full independence.Norway is not part of the EU, yet they seem to be prospering nicely. Maybe we should emulate them?
5. Re-establish good trading links with our commonwealth partners, who we 'sidelined' when we joined the EEC.
6. Open better trading links with the 'World-at-large'.
7. Stop being America's 'lap-dog'. Apologies to any Americans who may take offence at this post, though my comment here is aimed at the foolhardy UK/US governments, NOT ordinary, decent, Brits and Americans.
No wonder the EU can't get agreement.
Does the EU ever agree on anything, Bruv? Except how to extract (and waste) more money from it's member-states!
I would agree that we are no nearer to reaching a consensus on dealing with the migrant crisis,
though. I know what I would do, but I doubt you'll like the answers, common sense though they
may be viewed as.
1. Stop interfering with cultures we do not fully understand in the name of 'freedom and democracy'.
2. Educate and support strife-torn countries so that the local populace see their homeland as a
safe and suitable place to live, until such time as those places can support themselves without
external help. And I do mean help, as opposed to threats of military action.
3. Shut the door on mass-immigration.
4. Exit the un-democratic EU, and revert to the EEC (if possible). If not, then full independence.Norway is not part of the EU, yet they seem to be prospering nicely. Maybe we should emulate them?
5. Re-establish good trading links with our commonwealth partners, who we 'sidelined' when we joined the EEC.
6. Open better trading links with the 'World-at-large'.
7. Stop being America's 'lap-dog'. Apologies to any Americans who may take offence at this post, though my comment here is aimed at the foolhardy UK/US governments, NOT ordinary, decent, Brits and Americans.
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Migrants
Our population
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satelli ... ligion.pdf
Take a look at the figures for the constituencies of Birmingham. Each of those can easily class as towns. The general census figures published are for the UK as a whole, and that's not what I said.
Muslims also have the youngest age profile, meaning that the trend will continue to grow. Look at the highest Fertility Rate by Religion.
http://www.restore.ac.uk/UPTAP/wordpres ... tation.pdf
The Muslim average household size in 2001 was 3.8, as opposed to a national average of 2.4.
And this from the Telegraph (source WikiLeaks - validity unknown) which gives all sorts of statistical information.
UK MUSLIM DEMOGRAPHICS (C-RE8-02527) - Telegraph
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satelli ... ligion.pdf
Take a look at the figures for the constituencies of Birmingham. Each of those can easily class as towns. The general census figures published are for the UK as a whole, and that's not what I said.
Muslims also have the youngest age profile, meaning that the trend will continue to grow. Look at the highest Fertility Rate by Religion.
http://www.restore.ac.uk/UPTAP/wordpres ... tation.pdf
The Muslim average household size in 2001 was 3.8, as opposed to a national average of 2.4.
And this from the Telegraph (source WikiLeaks - validity unknown) which gives all sorts of statistical information.
UK MUSLIM DEMOGRAPHICS (C-RE8-02527) - Telegraph
Migrants
Just to remind everybody what the thread was about..................."Starting from this moment, no what ifs, no what should have beens, no why or how we got to this situation........What is the way forward with the Syrian and other assorted migrants entering the EU ? "
Smaug's suggestions wouldn't help any of those trekking across some Bulgarian field.
FourPart's seem hung up on the current population and it's birthrate, ignoring the fact that as the culture and wealth in the UK filters through to these their birthrate will drop.
Smaug's suggestions wouldn't help any of those trekking across some Bulgarian field.
FourPart's seem hung up on the current population and it's birthrate, ignoring the fact that as the culture and wealth in the UK filters through to these their birthrate will drop.
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Migrants
FourPart;1486828 wrote: Take a look at the figures for the constituencies of Birmingham. Each of those can easily class as towns. The general census figures published are for the UK as a whole, and that's not what I said.
Constituencies can easily class as towns? Which dictionary do you use?
You have the West Midlands, which isn't a Muslim majority. Drill down...
You have Birmingham, which isn't a Muslim majority. Drill down...
You have ten constituencies listed, one of which is a Muslim majority. The other nine aren't. Drill down...
You have forty Wards listed, five of which are a Muslim majority. The other thirty five aren't. Drill down...
If you get to street level we might see
You have 15,832 Streets, 1,968 of which have a Muslim majority. The other 13,864 don't. Drill down...
You have 274,815 Dwellings, 16,822 of which have a Muslim majority. The other 257,993 don't.
Drill down?
If you pick a specific unit of analysis - Country, Region, County, City, Town, Village, Constituency, Polling District - you'll find a size which matches a cultural congregation. You can do this with Catholics and Protestants in parts of the UK, you can do it with Celtic and Saxon descendants across the Welsh border, you can even do it with Men and Women.
My post merely claimed you'd picked on the wrong unit - the town. If you'd picked "Urban Ward" then I'd not have challenged your claim. You claimed "In many UK towns Islam already is the majority Religion" and I think it's a bogus untrue claim. By all means say you mis-spoke yourself and meant Urban Ward, if you like. Or, in the case on a single constituency in the West Midlands, Constituency. Just don't claim it's true of any town, because I'm quite sure it's not. Towns are rural, Muslims congregate in inner cities. And don't claim "many" either, that's icing-sugar bogus on top of the original mistake.
Constituencies can easily class as towns? Which dictionary do you use?
You have the West Midlands, which isn't a Muslim majority. Drill down...
You have Birmingham, which isn't a Muslim majority. Drill down...
You have ten constituencies listed, one of which is a Muslim majority. The other nine aren't. Drill down...
You have forty Wards listed, five of which are a Muslim majority. The other thirty five aren't. Drill down...
If you get to street level we might see
You have 15,832 Streets, 1,968 of which have a Muslim majority. The other 13,864 don't. Drill down...
You have 274,815 Dwellings, 16,822 of which have a Muslim majority. The other 257,993 don't.
Drill down?
If you pick a specific unit of analysis - Country, Region, County, City, Town, Village, Constituency, Polling District - you'll find a size which matches a cultural congregation. You can do this with Catholics and Protestants in parts of the UK, you can do it with Celtic and Saxon descendants across the Welsh border, you can even do it with Men and Women.
My post merely claimed you'd picked on the wrong unit - the town. If you'd picked "Urban Ward" then I'd not have challenged your claim. You claimed "In many UK towns Islam already is the majority Religion" and I think it's a bogus untrue claim. By all means say you mis-spoke yourself and meant Urban Ward, if you like. Or, in the case on a single constituency in the West Midlands, Constituency. Just don't claim it's true of any town, because I'm quite sure it's not. Towns are rural, Muslims congregate in inner cities. And don't claim "many" either, that's icing-sugar bogus on top of the original mistake.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.