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Domestication, in my experience, as I have a dog and have had both dogs and cats, is rewarding and symbiotic. Pleasing for both parties. If done for the right reasons, it's a win-win.

Snowfire;1495511 wrote: Death as a concept is natural. The nature of that death, at the hands of others, isn't.


It's the latest kit, these creatures go from fresh-as-a-daisy romping to melted synaptic brain extinction in around a tenth of a second and not a mark on them once the smoke clears.

The Americans could do the same on their Death Row inmates but drawn-out suffering and terror is apparently part of their judicial process.

spot;1495509 wrote: I guarantee it will be. The absolute long-term outcome for every sable marten which enters my facility will be death within three years. How much more natural can it get.


You guarantee ?

The absolute long-term outcome for every sheep/cow/chicken etc etc entering worldwide farm facilities will be death after a lifetime of veterinary care, feeding the world along the way.

The dominant species taking advantage...................how much more natural can it get ?

My ethical objection is that the domesticated species has been demeaned by the domestication. Killing members of the species is immaterial.

And keeping animals unnaturally captive and then prematurely slaughtering them, dismantling their natural life cycle for the dubious pleasure of wearing their fur is not demeaning ?



For the record I have no problem with your plan, just can't get my head around that and your other ideas about domestication residing in the same brain.

Bruv;1495524 wrote: And keeping animals unnaturally captive and then prematurely slaughtering them, dismantling their natural life cycle for the dubious pleasure of wearing their fur is not demeaning ?For the individuals concerned it may well be. For the species, I don't see how it could be.

Domestication, on the other hand, has taken an entire species and fundamentally transformed it into something utterly unnatural which can only afterwards exist as a parasite.

spot;1495525 wrote: For the individuals concerned it may well be. For the species, I don't see how it could be.

Domestication, on the other hand, has taken an entire species and fundamentally transformed it into something utterly unnatural which can only afterwards exist as a parasite.


There are still wild cattle,dogs,chicken in the world that escaped domestication living full and natural lives in diminishing wilderness.

Yet you would demean sable to satisfy your wardrobe requirements ?

Strange logic.

domesticate

/dəˈmɛstɪˌkeɪt/

verb (transitive)

1. to bring or keep (wild animals or plants) under control or cultivation

2. to accustom to home life

3. to adapt to an environment: to domesticate foreign trees

(Dictionary.com)


First definition - CULTIVATION. Cultivation = Farming. You say that you are farming them, not domesticating them. Well it seems that one of the definitions of Domestication seems to be that Farming. Otherwise it's a matter of going out into the [Russian] Wilderness & hunting them.

That's a piss-poor dictionary you've got there, and very little idea of context.

We're discussing the domestication of species. It's a topic which takes up books, not a highlighted word in one sentence. It involves changing the species into a parasite incapable of independent life without its host. It should be seen as a major crime and at the moment it's regarded as clever. It shows long-standing view of wildlife as inherently without rights.

For completeness, here's the OED as it applies "domesticate" to animals: To accustom (an animal) to live under the care and near the habitations of man; to tame or bring under control; transf. to civilize. It stems from a word meaning "the house". It involves transferring from a wild setting to a home setting.

Bruv;1495528 wrote: There are still wild cattle,dogs,chicken in the world that escaped domestication living full and natural lives in diminishing wilderness.I don't think you're right as far as the wild cattle are concerned. Wolves and hyenas and foxes yes, wild poultry yes, but not what's farmed in this country under the cattle label. You have to go a long way into related species to find anything close.The ancestor of most of the domestic cows, the Auroch (Bos primigenus) was extinct by 1627. The Kouprey (Bos sauveli) has not been seen in the dry dipterocarp forests of Indochina since the 1980s and is considered extinct. The wild water buffalo (Bubalus arnee) is isolated in fragmented small populations in Asia that persist at non-viable levels.

Welcome to www.wildcattleconservation.org. A website aiming to increase knowledge of wild cattle worldwide and aid in their conservation

OK my bad.

Luckily enough man has managed the species and they are serving agood purpose.............same as your captive sable?

Man has created abominations.

And then opens tins of food for them every day.