Sacrifice

[spot]

Ted;1499521 wrote: It seems to me that if one chooses to live in a community one has a moral obligation to pay their fair share of the privilege of living there. If I want protection I'd better be prepared to pay and not ride on someone else's pocket.


Very few people get to choose the laws they're obliged to conform to, or even which country's laws they'll live under.

There may come a time when it is the moral duty of a citizen to refuse to obey an unjust law and to voluntarily accept instead the penalty imposed by the state for disobeying that unjust law. The moral imperative for the citizen and the legal obligation to the state are then both satisfied in full.

[Bruv]

I shall be patient then.

[LarsMac]

Bruv;1499529 wrote: I have 5 pages but can't access page 4.......the last time I looked.

When on page 3, clicking on page 4 returns me to the top of page 3.

Clicking on next, from page 3 via the next arrow, takes me to page 5.

Clicking on Spots post chevron type thingy in post 42 which a quote from a post presumably on page 4 takes me to page 3, so there is a page I cannot see.......very strange.


How many posts do you see in the thread?

[Bruv]

LarsMac;1499538 wrote: How many posts do you see in the thread?


Your one is 51, this should be 52.

(I may never know what led Spot to tell us he doesn't pay tax.)

[spot]

I was directly asked.

[Bruv]

spot;1499546 wrote: I was directly asked.


But it came as part of a discussion, context is everything, there are about 10 posts missing.

[spot]

Ah.

I was pounced on by her in New York blazing from both barrels, saying I was complicit in the British Cabinet's death-dealing exploits as America's Poodle. We were discussing degrees of complicity.

[Bruv]

spot;1499549 wrote: Ah.

I was pounced on by her in New York blazing from both barrels, saying I was complicit in the British Cabinet's death-dealing exploits as America's Poodle. We were discussing degrees of complicity.


She has a point. Both barrels is your interpretation.....I am sure.

Not paying tax is a poor cop out, it was the Yanks that said something along the lines 'No taxation without representation' .............it should work in reverse.......don't you think ?

[AnneBoleyn]

spot;1499509 wrote: Yes, as is my actual income. Deliberately so. I'd rather be poor and honest than a collaborator. I choose interesting jobs that provide little financial return. I've never worked for Google, though I'm not sure why anyone would think that a possibility - Google pay quite high salaries.

I'm not in jail because it's not yet a crime to refuse to participate in society to the maximum of one's financial ability. No doubt there are capitalists who will try to make that illegal if they get a chance.


No comment, not publicly, but I know what you're doing. Enough said.

Sincerely--

Her in New York, as in "I'm with Her" also in New York.

PS--You do pay VAT.

[spot]

AnneBoleyn;1499552 wrote: PS--You do pay VAT.Remarkably little, since the Local Authority Rate (which cannot by law go toward any military purposes), food for domestic consumption, books, shoes and clothing are all VAT-exempt and I have free age-related local transport. I spent £50 flying to Bergerac and back last month, that included VAT, I can't think of much else recently that carried a British sales tax. The small-trader who worked on my roof last month wasn't VAT-registered.

[spot]

Bruv;1499551 wrote: 'No taxation without representation' .............it should work in reverse.......don't you think ?Didn't Mr Trump float the notion not long back that when he's President he might restrict the US franchise to those who are a net asset to the country?

[Bruv]

spot;1499560 wrote: ....... food for domestic consumption, books, shoes and clothing are all VAT-exempt and I have free age-related local transport.


You are kidding yourself.......the machine you are conveying this information on.....laptop, tablet, smart phone,or PC is VAT rated and the energy to power it.....for a start.

Then.........

Adult Clothes VAT rate 23%

Adult Footwear VAT rate23%

Food is more complicated, but basically, anything that is classed a luxury or non-essential is VAT rated at the standard rate, and that is currently 23 %

[Bruv]

spot;1499561 wrote: Didn't Mr Trump float the notion not long back that when he's President he might restrict the US franchise to those who are a net asset to the country?


Mr Trumps is a gobshi*e who says anything his supporters might want to hear today......ask him about it tomorrow he might deny all knowledge.

[spot]

Bruv;1499582 wrote: You are kidding yourself.......the machine you are conveying this information on.....laptop, tablet, smart phone,or PC is VAT rated and the energy to power it.....for a start.The desktop is old, I agree I pay VAT on power and my Internet connection. I didn't say I pay no VAT, I said very little of what I spend, proportionately, is VATable. I'm surprised about the clothing and shoes though, maybe it's changed or I was thinking of children's prices. I doubt whether I pay £50 a year in clothing but you may well be right that the £50 includes VAT. My shoes leak, I discovered yesterday, and they're 30 months old. Few of my eBay purchases include VAT. Pre-loved is my métier.

[Ted]

Keep adding taxes like that and we will all soon have to walk around nude. No one will be able to afford clothing.

[spot]

Keep adding taxes like that and the damned military will run out of ammunition.

[AnneBoleyn]

spot;1499687 wrote: Keep adding taxes like that and the damned military will run out of ammunition.


I wish. That'll be the day.