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xfrodobagginsx;1514270 wrote: You mean what you call trickle down and what actually works. Cutting taxes on the everyone including the rich is the best way to help the economy. When the rich Business owners make more money, they hire more employees, spend more money and it helps the poor by given them jobs. It also helps the economy.


Actually, they have found that when the rich business owners make more money, they find new investments. However, if the middle and lower income folks make more money, they buy things. When they buy enough things, the stores need more employees and the manufacturers need more employees to boost production. So, in a really healthy economy it works as trickle up.

"Trickle-down" economics began as a joke. Seriously.

xfrodobagginsx;1514270 wrote: You mean what you call trickle down and what actually works. Cutting taxes on the everyone including the rich is the best way to help the economy. When the rich Business owners make more money, they hire more employees, spend more money and it helps the poor by given them jobs. It also helps the economy.


Keep telling yourself that.

LarsMac;1514290 wrote: Keep telling yourself that.


Sure, the government creates jobs.:wah:

LarsMac;1514290 wrote: Keep telling yourself that.


I don't need to tell myself that that's what the actual numbers say.

xfrodobagginsx;1514233 wrote: China is a Communist Country that is using more and more Capitalistic policies. No it is not Capitalism, but as they open the markets more and more like Capitalism, and allow competition, they are prospering more. Capitalism is building their economy, not their Communism/Socialism that has brought poverty for the past 80 years in China. They have always been severely poor until they instilled more Capitalism in their economy. Also, their economy is based largely on a trade imbalance with the United States in which they get the much better end of the stick. Trump is going to even that playing field.


So......capitalism is good only when America uses the useless system on others?

Wandrin;1514276 wrote: Actually, they have found that when the rich business owners make more money, they find new investments. However, if the middle and lower income folks make more money, they buy things. When they buy enough things, the stores need more employees and the manufacturers need more employees to boost production. So, in a really healthy economy it works as trickle up.


Yes I can see how all the introduced machinery and robots are spending up big. hmmmm lets see ...rich get richer and the middle and lower classes are poor because there's only service jobs left for the majority ....hang on who's needing the services? oh yeah ..the rich.

magentaflame;1514300 wrote: Yes I can see how all the introduced machinery and robots are spending up big. hmmmm lets see ...rich get richer and the middle and lower classes are poor because there's only service jobs left for the majority ....hang on who's needing the services? oh yeah ..the rich.


Sarcasm duly noted. In regard to your statement about the machinery and robots, there are a lot of jobs involved. They don't design themselves, they need qualified engineers to come up with the design. They must work with other machines and robots, so engineering is required to ensure that that happens effectively. They also need management and adjustments. Those are all white collar jobs. Then there is the maintenance. Plumbers, electricians, hydraulics folks, etc. Usually, they will also need an operator for each group of machines. Every time there is a change, however slight, to the part they are building, the engineers have to get involved again. A good employer will train workers for these jobs and pay for the education required. So, in a good operation, by using automation, the employees actually move up to higher skill levels than what they were doing previously.

But my point still stands. If the workers are better paid - they buy things, which creates more jobs.

Contrast this to the average rich guy. He owns a house or two or three. Each house requires a staff to clean it and take care of the property, a cook, etc. The rich guy probably has a small staff to raise the children, take care of the yacht, etc. There is probably a driver or two, and an accountant and tax person. That's it. When they make more money, they don't go out and hire more staff because they don't need more staff. They find someplace to put the money so that it will make more money without much risk. If they decide to buy more stock in some company, it doesn't mean that that company will go out and hire more employees.

magentaflame;1514299 wrote: So......capitalism is good only when America uses the useless system on others?


It's the Greatest system man has ever known and built all of the national economic giants of the world, unlike Socialism that has failed everywhere it's ever been tried and leads to communism which has murdered well over 100 million people.

xfrodobagginsx;1514325 wrote: It's the Greatest system man has ever known and built all of the national economic giants of the world, unlike Socialism that has failed everywhere it's ever been tried and leads to communism which has murdered well over 100 million people.


China ?

Bruv;1514334 wrote: China ?


China=poor for most of the last 100 years until, they began adopting pro capitalistic policies and their economy began to grow...they also leech off of a massive trade imbalance with the US. Take that away and see what happens to them. Trump's gonna fix the imbalance. They are still poor at that, but doing better than they were thanks to capitalism, not socialism.

xfrodobagginsx;1514338 wrote: China=poor for most of the last 100 years until, they began adopting pro capitalistic policies and their economy began to grow...they also leech off of a massive trade imbalance with the US. Take that away and see what happens to them. Trump's gonna fix the imbalance. They are still poor at that, but doing better than they were thanks to capitalism, not socialism.


America ?





(Is this going around in circles?)

Bruv;1514343 wrote: America ?





(Is this going around in circles?)


Largest Economy in the world by a MILE. Capitalism built America. Socialism has been choking our economy for the past few decades.

xfrodobagginsx;1514356 wrote: Largest Economy in the world by a MILE. Capitalism built America. Socialism has been choking our economy for the past few decades.


Indebted to the largest Socialist country in the world........by a kilometer ?

(Bet at least some of your device was imported from the Socialist mega power)

Bruv;1514359 wrote: Indebted to the largest Socialist country in the world........by a kilometer ?

(Bet at least some of your device was imported from the Socialist mega power)


Only because the labor is cheap and the US Government has encourage outsourcing by raising taxes too high. Trump's gonna lower taxes and encourage these companies to come back to America.

xfrodobagginsx;1514368 wrote: Only because the labor is cheap and the US Government has encourage outsourcing by raising taxes too high. Trump's gonna lower taxes and encourage these companies to come back to America.


OK.....................right.

And you swallowed it hook line and sinker ?

Wandrin;1514324 wrote: But my point still stands. If the workers are better paid - they buy things, which creates more jobs.




Theoretically, perhaps. But that's the point. The things that they buy are the things that are made by the robots. Buying more things just creates a demand for more robots. But then you come back to the beginning of the loop. For the worker to be better paid he must first have a job. But the job is being taken by the robot. The only ones who really benefit are the upper echelon who own the robots.

A successful economy works as a Socialist circle. Person A buys goods or services from Person B who, in turn buys goods or services from Person C, who then buys goods or services from Person A, etc. However, under a Capitalist society, Person A buys goods or services from Person B, who buys goods or services from Person C - who squirrels it all away in a Tax Haven.

xfrodobagginsx;1514368 wrote: Only because the labor is cheap and the US Government has encourage outsourcing by raising taxes too high. Trump's gonna lower taxes and encourage these companies to come back to America.Yes, Donald Trump is going to encourage Chinese companies to "return" to America, a country they were never a part of and never left.

Do you follow exchanges and read what you type?

Bruv;1514378 wrote: OK.....................right.

And you swallowed it hook line and sinker ?


You bet I did. I can also see that historically, Capitalism works, Socialism does not.

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xfrodobagginsx;1514270 wrote: When the rich Business owners make more money, they hire more employees,


Nope...they just buy more yachts and houses. Capitalism is just like Communism. It looks good on paper, but people are greedy.

As the Rich Get Richer, the Yachts Get Larger

Saint_;1514704 wrote: Nope...they just buy more yachts and houses. Capitalism is just like Communism. It looks good on paper, but people are greedy.

As the Rich Get Richer, the Yachts Get Larger




Who cares what they do with their money. YOU are the one being greedy and controlling trying to tell people how to spend their money. They provided a product or service that people actually wanted, unlike Socialism. Socialism is built on greed. Capitalism is built on rewarding those who work hard.

Socialism is a failure everywhere it's tried: This guys nails it on the head:

Jesus was a Socialist.

xfrodobagginsx;1514740 wrote: Who cares what they do with their money.


Everyone should care when the top 100 families control 99% of the wealth in this country and the other 699,999,000 people have to split the 1%. When the rich get too rich, and the poor get too poor....heads will roll.

Bruv;1514761 wrote: Jesus was a Socialist.


No He absolutely did not believing in stealing from the rich and giving it to those who won't work. All giving in the Bible was voluntary.

Paul said that if a man wouldn't work, he shouldn't eat.

There was a sect of Jews, rich and poor who believed that Christ's return was imminent and sold all of their goods and put them together and lived off the money. Guess what ended up happening? They all ended up poor and needed to live off charity for the rest of their lives. Sounds like socialism all right.

Socialist Countries Are Bankrupt. Don't Fall For The Lie. 1 Minute Video:

Money lenders in the temple..........remember ?

Wine from water ?

Free health care ?

Miracles free of charge ?

The guy wore sandals....................Sounds like socialism to me.

Benny Hinn worth 40 million dollars plus.....Joel Osteen a little less......Creflo.....(named after his own god)... Dollar a mere 27 million dollars....I could go on.

Bruv;1514788 wrote: Money lenders in the temple..........remember ?

Wine from water ?

Free health care ?

Miracles free of charge ?

The guy wore sandals....................Sounds like socialism to me.

Benny Hinn worth 40 million dollars plus.....Joel Osteen a little less......Creflo.....(named after his own god)... Dollar a mere 27 million dollars....I could go on.


Moneylenders were turning the place of worship into a place of business. That's nothing to do with Socialism.

Wine from water is a miracle not socialism.

Free healthcare in the Bible? I don't see it.

Miracles free of charge is a ministry not an economic system.

People giving to the Church? Voluntary, not the Government coming in and forcing it.

Benny Hinn and Joel Osteen? I don't subscribe to what they do.

Cretin.

[QUOTE=xfrodobagginsx;1514699]Socialism Fails Everywhere It's Tried. Capitalism Is The Best Economic System:

Clodhopper;1514791 wrote: Cretin.


So, those countries AREN'T Bankrupt? Yes they are and they are all Socialist. Capitalism is the best economic system. The proof is right in front of you.

shrug. There's not much point engaging someone like you. I looked at the video and it is a bloke telling lies. You know nothing about Europe and believe the sort of populist crap Hitler fed the Germans in the 1920s. Your education stopped before Evaluation of Evidence.

I'd show you respect but I see nothing to deserve it.

xfrodobagginsx;1514789 wrote:

Free healthcare in the Bible? I don't see it.




Lazarus ?

Lepers healed ?

Blindness cured ?

Mute healed ?

Withered hand healed ?

All free health care..............Trumps an ass

xfrodobagginsx;1514783 wrote: Socialist Countries Are Bankrupt. Don't Fall For The Lie. 1 Minute Video:






* you and your videos.

Look up straw man.

Yeah I know what she's talking about.

YOU are a despicable lying ****

Bruv;1514798 wrote: Lazarus ?

Lepers healed ?

Blindness cured ?

Mute healed ?

Withered hand healed ?

All free health care..............Trumps an ass


that was Christ Ministry not an economic system

Which of those socialist countries that he listed are not really bankrupt?

You know? Ive found people on this forum to be most helpful and forthcoming with information.

But you Mr.......can do your own homework and get your own information.

(But we all know you wont)

Thank goodness I live in a socialist country - at least I will be able to get the treatment for depression over being broke on the NHS.

xfrodobagginsx;1514823 wrote: that was Christ Ministry not an economic system


Trump will never get to heaven.

Bruv;1514835 wrote: Trump will never get to heaven.


Actually, I have heard credible sources that have said that He has accepted Jesus Christ's free gift of salvation. I have also seen big changes in His attitude for the last year or 2.

xfrodobagginsx;1514843 wrote: Actually, I have heard credible sources that have said that He has accepted Jesus Christ's free gift of salvation. I have also seen big changes in His attitude for the last year or 2.


Were the credible sources voices in your head ?

Bruv;1514850 wrote: Were the credible sources voices in your head ?


I don't have any voices in my head, but not they were from very credible evangelical leaders who have prayed with him, talked to him ect.

xfrodobagginsx;1514857 wrote: I don't have any voices in my head, but not they were from very credible evangelical leaders who have prayed with him, talked to him ect.


You can't have "Credible" and "Evangelical" in the same sentence.

Anyway I am getting bored playing with you now..............bye

Bruv;1514860 wrote: You can't have "Credible" and "Evangelical" in the same sentence.

Anyway I am getting bored playing with you now..............bye


The credible Christians are the evangelicos.

The credible Christians are the evangelicals. They are the ones that actually believe what the Bible says.

xfrodobagginsx;1514863 wrote: The credible Christians are the evangelicals. They are the ones that actually believe what the Bible says.


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