Is God Real?

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:47 pm

Mickiel;1368712 wrote: You can know God is real by having security in him. You can cut out the middleman of fear and human dependance, and believe that God is interested in yourself. Believe in yourself, believe in him, be confident in yourself and be confident in him- thats a secure combination. We cannot do anything for ourselves without having life. Know that it is God who gave you that life, it was not the " Peeping Tom called evolution." Do not place your security in thinking that your orgin was that your ancestors came out from under a rock in some kind of grotequse form, then swam in a miracle pool of chemicals and became a monkey. Thats insecurity.

Place your security in God. The Real solid rock!

I believe in myself and in the proof that evolution has happened neither disprove your god or prove to me that you god or any other god exist. I don't need to have security I already have security in believing in myself . I am sorry to hear your middle man is fear maybe that's why you need a god to protect you.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:33 am

Is God real enough to " Work for you?" I mean will he really, CAN he really be a very real pressence in your life? I remember being in the south and walking across a bridge. It was dry and sunny on one side, and as I reached its middle; It was cloudy and raining on the other side. This was the first time I had " Experienced this." THEN, I knew it was possible! But only after I experienced it for myself. Conversely, this is a way to know that God is real; you experience him for yourself.

When you experience something real for yourself, there is no need to " Prove it to anyonelse." It got Proved " To You!" It was for you to experience. Not that others cannot or have not experienced it; YOU were the focus at the time. And this is how to know that God is real; you experience him for yourself.

Well then, just how do you " Reconize God?"

And I want to spend a bit on that.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:29 pm

Mickiel;1368888 wrote: Is God real enough to " Work for you?" I mean will he really, CAN he really be a very real pressence in your life? I remember being in the south and walking across a bridge. It was dry and sunny on one side, and as I reached its middle; It was cloudy and raining on the other side. This was the first time I had " Experienced this." THEN, I knew it was possible! But only after I experienced it for myself. Conversely, this is a way to know that God is real; you experience him for yourself.

When you experience something real for yourself, there is no need to " Prove it to anyonelse." It got Proved " To You!" It was for you to experience. Not that others cannot or have not experienced it; YOU were the focus at the time. And this is how to know that God is real; you experience him for yourself.

Well then, just how do you " Reconize God?"

And I want to spend a bit on that.

Why do I want God to "Work for Me" a God could do anything if a God were to work for me I would do nothing and essentially be worthless. No I much rather work for myself and have some value to my work that I put effort in to.

If your not trying to prove God's existence to anyone else why ask others if God is real, why tell others to Recognize God? I could say the same thing about god for enlightenment and realization in yourself as each person has to experience it for themselves and reaches it in there own way.

koan · Post by **koan** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:52 pm

Has anyone yet asked why the human thinks he's real?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:36 pm

koan;1368958 wrote: Has anyone yet asked why the human thinks he's real?

Well one reason the human thinks God is real; is because they " Reconize God." They have learned to see what the human eye cannot even see. You have to see God, reconize him; In your Consciousness - " The Greater Mind." You learn to see him there. And I want to go into just how to do that.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:01 am

koan;1368958 wrote: Has anyone yet asked why the human thinks he's real?

and/or why IT doesn't or if it is a living concious being or an Inanimate presence .

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:02 am

Mickiel;1368963 wrote: Well one reason the human thinks God is real; is because they " Reconize God." They have learned to see what the human eye cannot even see. You have to see God, reconize him; In your Consciousness - " The Greater Mind." You learn to see him there. And I want to go into just how to do that.

Like INFARED or UV have you been starring at the sun all day, that is bad for you.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:11 am

littleCJelkton;1368997 wrote: Like INFARED or UV have you been starring at the sun all day, that is bad for you.

Well I am aware that your responses are often based on cynicism and sarcasm, but I have found that some reason survives even that in your method of communication; which I can always use to get away from the cynicism, and back to reason. It really is simular to " Infrared", its a totally different way of seeing things.

For example; a human may fall from a building- from 20 stories high, and survive the incredible fall. One may observe it as " Luck." The other may investigate the " Science of the landing dynamics." Another may implore the scripture that states " Its once appointed for a man to die", and reason that it was just not their time for death; which is a different way of seeing things. Science itself is a different way of seeing things; no greater or lesser way than the theist sees things; both a type of infared.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:27 am

lets use a test subject then to sceintifically study that view of the theist. We will have 20 people go up on top of this 20 story building and fall from it up to 10 times unless of course they die if they all do we get more people and we will change some factors such as wind speed angle of the ground on which they land one by one until we find that for 20 people at any given time the conditions may be right for the theist observation of it not being their time to die is right.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:38 am

I am going to go through many ways to reconize God, but let me start with the " Best way." If your going to try and comprehend the existence of a spirit being, then you have to reconize him by using spiritual means. Which always comes back first to the Consciousness. Don't depend on the physical first, but the spiritual, look " Inside of you", your own consciousness; what does your own mind tell you? If you think he may be real, then you have already reconized your first step; something in you thinks he may be real. Its just that simple. That first small step of reconition.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:58 am

Mickiel;1369193 wrote: I am going to go through many ways to reconize God, but let me start with the " Best way." If your going to try and comprehend the existence of a spirit being, then you have to reconize him by using spiritual means. Which always comes back first to the Consciousness. Don't depend on the physical first, but the spiritual, look " Inside of you", your own consciousness; what does your own mind tell you? If you think he may be real, then you have already reconized your first step; something in you thinks he may be real. Its just that simple. That first small step of reconition.

recognize through spiritual means I didn't know god was in to ouija boards

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:55 am

You reconize God by marveling at his creations. The absolute wonder of the created world is a small reflection of Gods talents. Look at how wonderful you are made. When you study how anything in this world is put together, you are looking at the results of Gods marvelous mind; you are reconizing God!

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:10 am

Mickiel;1369461 wrote: You reconize God by marveling at his creations. The absolute wonder of the created world is a small reflection of Gods talents. Look at how wonderful you are made. When you study how anything in this world is put together, you are looking at the results of Gods marvelous mind; you are reconizing God!

again every where you put an you there in that sentence you just said .replace every You in your sentence with an I (Mickel)l. So I will make things easier and re word that for you to what it actually says.

Mickiel;1369461 wrote: Mickiel reconize God by marveling at his creations. The absolute wonder of the created world is a small reflection of Gods talents. Look at how wonderful Mickiel is made. When Mickiel studies how anything in this world is put together, Mickiel is looking at the results of Gods marvelous mind; Mickiel is reconizing God!

You (as in yourself) is nowhere close to You (everyone else) so how about using the real You, I know you are talking about.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:53 am

You reconize God by looking to his writen word, the bible. And yet, one can reach a certain level where they can reconize Gods influence on any book he has influenced, not to be limited to just the bible.Not to be limited to just one outlet of knowledge. I reconize God in the forming of a simple " Dictionary." Why, because you reconize God by educating yourself in even the simplest of terms. Because God exist in the simplest terms, to the complex.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:54 pm

You reconize God by understanding the true nature of " Your Memory." Your ability to recall with emotion, is a God given trait. God wants you to examine if he is real, and thats why he gave you memory, so that you could actively store all information that leads your mind to him. And go back to that information and utilize it.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:02 pm

Mickel your Username on FG is for this thread is "You" as in "You" do and believe all this stiff I don't I don't think he, she, they, we them, us, thy, or thou believes all this either.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:53 am

littleCJelkton;1369522 wrote: Mickel your Username on FG is for this thread is "You" as in "You" do and believe all this stiff I don't I don't think he, she, they, we them, us, thy, or thou believes all this either.

An interesting thing about certain Atheist, they seem to believe that they can speak for everyonelse. And thats why I want to spend a little showing Atheism as a proof of God.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:04 am

Mickiel;1369575 wrote: An interesting thing about certain Atheist, they seem to believe that they can speak for everyonelse. And thats why I want to spend a little showing Atheism as a proof of God.

Who said anything about me being an athiest I just done believe in the god you do. I am not the one speaking for anyone else I am the one pointing out if though you say you walk alone "your inadvetently trying to talk for everyone else" assuming they (the "you" in all your threds) are finding realism in GOD. Then your trying to speak for me by saying i am atheist. You never stop with this I said, he said, she said, they said , I think you said this B.S. do you

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:09 am

littleCJelkton;1369578 wrote:

, I think you said this B.S. do you

I hold no intrest in conversing with people who use such degrading terms.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:31 am

littleCJelkton;1369578 wrote:

I just done believe in the god you do.

I think it may be better if you put that bottle of " Who hit Jack" back into your avatar, and leave it alone.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:04 pm

Atheism is proof of God, by examining Atheist we can know that God is real. There are many scriptures in the bible which shows God uses a tactic called " Blinding men, or hardening their hearts", like he did Pharoah, in order to accomplish his purpose. Atheist type that perfectly. Now while I go through Atheism as proof of God, remember that I believe in the total free Salvation of all Atheist, remember that, so the following post are not " Put downs", in any manner.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:52 pm

Mickiel;1369579 wrote: I hold no intrest in conversing with people who use such degrading terms.

Really I think it really is you hold no interest in coversiing with people in general, you just spout all this stuff and atomatically think "you" as in "they as in people who are not Mickel thinks and don't actually care what others really think as you find some comfort in believing everyone else who is not Mickel automatically believes that all this stuff you say is proof of god to them as well as you.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:54 pm

Mickiel;1369582 wrote: I think it may be better if you put that bottle of " Who hit Jack" back into your avatar, and leave it alone.
Why would I want to do that or leave it alone the whole thing about doing all this is to not leave it alone right, You keep going on an on and on and on so why can't I.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:56 pm

Mickiel;1369585 wrote: Atheism is proof of God, by examining Atheist Mickiel can know that God is real. There are many scriptures in the bible which shows God uses a tactic called " Blinding men, or hardening their hearts", like he did Pharoah, in order to accomplish his purpose. Atheist type that perfectly. Now while I go through Atheism as proof of God, remember that I believe in the total free Salvation of all Atheist, remember that, so the following post are not " Put downs", in any manner.

There we go that is what it reworded as we is not I or them or us in the acutallity of what everyone believes

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:20 pm

littleCJelkton;1369598 wrote: Why would I want to do that or leave it alone the whole thing about doing all this is to not leave it alone right, You keep going on an on and on and on so why can't I.

Well, its a free thread, have at it! Endulge yourself, but be careful with that drinking, its starting to spill over into your writing; I can see it, because I used to grog myself. And it will throw your thinking off while you try to express yourself. It may be one reason you use vulgar expressions often when you write.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:32 am

Mickiel;1369622 wrote: Well, its a free thread, have at it! Endulge yourself, but be careful with that drinking, its starting to spill over into your writing; I can see it, because I used to grog myself. And it will throw your thinking off while you try to express yourself. It may be one reason you use vulgar expressions often when you write.
What are you talking about now, what does it matter what ever it is you think, i did that you are talking about of which I didn't, it has gotten you off your "you believe god is real because of X reasons" kick.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:18 am

Atheism itself is a stunning proof of God! In Gods manner of creating humans, he defintely wanted us all to go through changes and suffering. He wanted there to exist " An oppisition to him", because there had never been any before. A kind of push and pull against him. Atheism then is part of that designed oppisition, and they are defintely part of Gods plan of Salvation.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:20 am

Mickiel;1369671 wrote: Atheism itself is a stunning proof of God! In Gods manner of creating humans, he defintely wanted us all to go through changes and suffering. He wanted there to exist " An oppisition to him", because there had never been any before. A kind of push and pull against him. Atheism then is part of that designed oppisition, and they are defintely part of Gods plan of Salvation.

I don't really care what your god wanted me to do I don't believe there is an opposite to your god as I don't believe in your god, but I believe you, yourself, and thou can do both good and evil regardless of what god you believe in.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:05 pm

littleCJelkton;1369714 wrote: I don't really care what your god wanted me to do I don't believe there is an opposite to your god as I don't believe in your god, but I believe you, yourself, and thou can do both good and evil regardless of what god you believe in.

You know I am getting a little concerned with you CJ, your post are becomming more and more undiscernable. They are showing signs of deteriation. I hope your okay. I mean I know we have our differences, but you used to come accross much clearer.

Are you sure your alright?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:10 am

God predestined the creation of humanity. For some reason he wanted humans to be constructed of flesh, and live a life that included pain and suffering ; for our experience. He wanted there to be slight knowledge of him, and oppisition to him. So he predestined the drama of Atheism to be part of that ordained element of humanity that will deny him. Which means he had to precondition some humans to " Not believe in him", because God is so alluring and egnigmatic, that people would normally automatically believe in him, as some 90% of humans do already.

So Atheism is a preplanned drama by God, needed in his plan of Salvation. Part of the push and pull he wanted us to experience.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:22 pm

Mickiel;1369745 wrote: You know I am getting a little concerned with you CJ, your post are becomming more and more undiscernable. They are showing signs of deteriation. I hope your okay. I mean I know we have our differences, but you used to come accross much clearer.

Are you sure your alright?

Since when have you been concerned with the clarity of a message?

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:25 pm

Mickiel;1369767 wrote: God predestined the creation of humanity. For some reason he wanted humans to be constructed of flesh, and live a life that included pain and suffering ; for our experience. He wanted there to be slight knowledge of him, and oppisition to him. So he predestined the drama of Atheism to be part of that ordained element of humanity that will deny him. Which means he had to precondition some humans to " Not believe in him", because God is so alluring and egnigmatic, that people would normally automatically believe in him, as some 90% of humans do already.

So Atheism is a preplanned drama by God, needed in his plan of Salvation. Part of the push and pull he wanted us to experience.

No you are just guessing as to why your GOD did what he did which is what everyone else does making their god just as real as yours meaning either

a) your god is real making their gods fake

b) all their god(s) are real and yours is fake

b) both your and their god(s) are real meaning all this stuff your spewing doesn't matter because if their god is real they can believe in it their own way and don't need to know your god is real or how you prove that to yourself.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:09 pm

littleCJelkton;1369901 wrote: Since when have you been concerned with the clarity of a message?

Well I am happy your alright, your more clear.

Atheism is a legit tool of God, all of Gods activity cannot be limited to just one particular group of people. " Other sheep I have that are not of this fold", means that God will engage in and use any kind of human , believer or unbeliever, to accomplish his will.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:07 am

Mickiel;1369906 wrote: Well I am happy your alright, your more clear.

Atheism is a legit tool of God, all of Gods activity cannot be limited to just one particular group of people. " Other sheep I have that are not of this fold", means that God will engage in and use any kind of human , believer or unbeliever, to accomplish his will.

Well if you want to believe that is what that says go ahead.

I think it is a strange thing to be folding sheep in the first place, why a god would want too is that god's decision.

eraser · Post by **eraser** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:26 pm

I think I now understand that Zen thing about the sound of one hand clapping....

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:34 pm

eraser;1369977 wrote: I think I now understand that Zen thing about the sound of one hand clapping....

:yh_rotfl

A magic description

:yh_rotfl

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:46 am

Is God real, well you can use biblical archaeology to assist your search for him. Did you know they found King Herods tomb? The bible records him in detail. This increases the historical value of the bible, and can increase your proof for God.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:08 am

Did you know they have found " Nimrods Castle?" The bible records Nimrod. This increases the bibles historical value, and can increase you search for him being real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:40 am

The bible records the life of King " Nebuchadnezzar" extensively. Did you know they have found his famous " Hanging Gardens?" And they have unearthed the actual ruins of " Babylon." This increases the validity of the bible, and will increase your search for is God real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:14 am

The bible records that " King Ahab" built an Ivory palace at Samaria, 1Kings 22:39. Did you know that Archaeologist have found that palace? A stunning find, this increases the bibles historical value and will increase your answers of is God real.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:53 am

oh no people aren't listening to what you say you better pick up the pace if you don't post at least 20 crazy God is real comments an hour no one will read them, better get cracking.

eraser · Post by **eraser** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:55 am

Mickiel, it appears to me that your many monologues are an attempt to convince yourself of your "beliefs," not other people.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:16 am

eraser;1370333 wrote: Mickiel, it appears to me that your many monologues are an attempt to convince yourself of your "beliefs," not other people.

Well yes thats absolutely true. I hold no intrest in convincing others, only myself.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:44 am

In Genesis 23 Abraham purchased a cave where he buried his wife Sarah. Abraham, Isaac, Rebakah, Leah and Jacob were buried there also. The cave is called " The Cave of Machpelah. Did you know they found this cave beneath a temple? Purchased 3700 years ago, the cave has been located below " The Haram El-Kahil" ( Sacred preciut of the friend of the merciful one, God) in Hebron, its today a muslim mosque. Astounding evidence of the bibles grip on history, and further proof that leads to God being real.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:32 am

Mickiel;1370337 wrote: Well yes thats absolutely true. I hold no intrest in convincing others, only myself.

Well if you have to do all these monologues I think your doing a very poor job of convincing yourself, though unless that is your already convinced, and your trying to reassure yourself but I still think it is a poor job at that because I think that should be done on a mental and personal level with no need to write it in a forum, that is unless of course your looking for reassurance by spamming your reassured personallly convinced beliefs out there until you find someone who can be convinced to being reassured of the same beliefs.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:02 pm

littleCJelkton;1370357 wrote: Well if you have to do all these monologues I think your doing a very poor job of convincing yourself, though unless that is your already convinced, and your trying to reassure yourself but I still think it is a poor job at that because I think that should be done on a mental and personal level with no need to write it in a forum, that is unless of course your looking for reassurance by spamming your reassured personallly convinced beliefs out there until you find someone who can be convinced to being reassured of the same beliefs.

Strange that you encourage me to stop posting. I'll make a deal with you; if you stop posting on this site, then so will I. If not, explain to me why I should stop, and you shouldnot.

eraser · Post by **eraser** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:30 pm

Mickiel;1370337 wrote: Well yes thats absolutely true. I hold no intrest in convincing others, only myself.

One wonders then, why you feel compelled to convince yourself publicly? My own spiritual convictions were formulated, considered, and finally adopted after many years of private soul-searching. I suspect most folks' were, unless they just assumed the beliefs with which they were brought up.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:04 pm

eraser;1370371 wrote: One wonders then, why you feel compelled to convince yourself publicly? My own spiritual convictions were formulated, considered, and finally adopted after many years of private soul-searching. I suspect most folks' were, unless they just assumed the beliefs with which they were brought up.

I like sharing my convictions in public. Do you have a problem with that?

eraser · Post by **eraser** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:02 pm

Mickiel;1370376 wrote: I like sharing my convictions in public. Do you have a problem with that?

Well, if you're still in the process of convincing yourself, as you said a few posts up - they aren't really convictions yet, are they?

And is it a problem for me? Nope, not at all. I find it quite interesting. Do continue.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:19 pm

Mickiel;1370367 wrote: Strange that you encourage me to stop posting. I'll make a deal with you; if you stop posting on this site, then so will I. If not, explain to me why I should stop, and you shouldnot.

??????