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Mickiel;1345141 wrote: The bible certainly has shifted some gears in my mind, its like a magnet that keeps drawing me back to it. It has a strange way of becomming a magnifying glass, in that it does not change what your looking at, but improves your view of it. It examines and explains human nature far greater than any modern book on physcology, and it gives you a unique peek at God.

God. Thats what this is all about.

If you want to consider God, you simply must consider this book.

So lets consider it, but from some different angles.

Because God is different.

Peace.


Yes Godis perfect in all positive attrubutes and negative in none



God's anger is less violent than our human love

Mickiel;1344442 wrote: The bible has defintely shifted some gears in my mind. Its uncanny exactness in describing human nature. Its prophecys come true, its message of Hope for all of mankind. So strange how this book came to be. It has 66 sub books in it, and 777,692 words, so its a pretty large volume of titles. Its been translated into over 2,000 languages and is the worlds best seller and most read book by far in history. That should catch anyones attention. Its simply an incredible book of books.

It was the very first book ever printed, by Johannes Gutenbergs printing press in 1454. Incredibly, it has 40 different authors, from over 40 different generations, which is astounding. It was written over a span of 15,000 years on three different continents, Africa, Asia and Europe. It was written at first in three different languages, Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Simply stunning! This book ought to shift gears in any mind.

As you consider God, you need to consider this great book, it is NOT humanly possible that this book has been compiled, God had to have been involved.

Peace.


Are you saying that ALL the Biblical prophecies have come true already?

Here is the best revelation about the book of revelations I have ever heard: YouTube - Kingdom of the Antichrist - Part 1 of 17

I hope you can watch all of it before feeding back it is amazing Brother

freethinkingthuthseeker;1347380 wrote: Are you saying that ALL the Biblical prophecies have come true already?

Here is the best revelation about the book of revelations I have ever heard: YouTube - Kingdom of the Antichrist - Part 1 of 17

I hope you can watch all of it before feeding back it is amazing Brother




I have not said, nor do I believe all the biblical prophecys have yet to come true.

Peace.

freethinkingthuthseeker;1347377 wrote: Hi Mickiel

long time no talk

I am so pleased you appreciate the Bible but do question the idea that it took 15,000 years to write. How do you come to that figure?

I am genuinely curious.

Bear in mind that the new testament is established as having been completed within a maximum of 200 years of Jesus's physical resurrection and ascension to heaven and also

What do you think that Issiah means by the name referring to Jesus as Emmanuel?

this is not the name but a title as that is how the Bible refers to names and means "God with us"?

Furthermore, there is also a single verse in Issiah 48 that refers to God the Father, The son and the Holy spirit all in one verse.

I also note that in my last post (see p54) you did not refer to the line in John which I underlined for you?

may I ask why?

God bless you

k




The 1500 years is a generally accepted time frame by most theologians of biblical history. And I am not sure which verse you are refering to me not responding. The name Emmanuel means Gods " Spirit" is with us in the person of Christ, it does not mean God himself was walking the earth when Jesus was.

Peace.

Mickiel;1347482 wrote: The 1500 years is a generally accepted time frame by most theologians of biblical history. And I am not sure which verse you are refering to me not responding. The name Emmanuel means Gods " Spirit" is with us in the person of Christ, it does not mean God himself was walking the earth when Jesus was.

Peace.


Really? I have never heard that before

this is an accurate statement: Interestingly, the spelling of the word as "Emanuel" does NOT appear anywhere in the historical "Biblical Books" Emmanuel does appear as an alternate form of Immanuel which finds its origins in the book of Isaiah and is translated as "God is with us" in the context of the birth of a Child.

Chronologically from Adams age onwards to the death and resurrection of Jesus is a spam of some 6000 years so I would like to also know which sources you are using?

I do hope you watch the you tube link though



Bless you

Mickiel;1347482 wrote: The 1500 years is a generally accepted time frame by most theologians of biblical history. And I am not sure which verse you are refering to me not responding. The name Emmanuel means Gods " Spirit" is with us in the person of Christ, it does not mean God himself was walking the earth when Jesus was.

Peace.


here is no one in history that has been given more names or titles than Jesus Christ. If you've read through the Bible carefully then you know what I mean. Throughout the pages of Holy Writ over 100 names and titles are given to Jesus. And whether He is called "Bright morning star, Wonderful Counselor, the Root of Jesse, the Alpha and the Omega, or the Lamb of God", each of these names and titles is rich with meaning. They all say something significant about who Jesus is.

However, there is no name more significant than "Immanuel". This name, which Matthew refers to in his Gospel (Matthew 1:23), was first given to Jesus by the prophet Isaiah 700 years before His birth (Isaiah 7:14). And this very special Christmas name, as Matthew tells us, means "God with us." Jesus Christ is Immanuel, "God with us," and I'd like to share why this is so meaningful at Christmas time.

he babe born to Mary in a manger, the infant that the shepherds ran to see, the newborn child that the Magi traveled hundreds of miles to worship is Immanuel, God with us. But in what sense is Jesus "God with us?"

Wasn't God always with the human race? Wasn't "God with us" before Jesus? Yes. In one sense God, the Creator, has always been "with" His creation. Unlike the false god of the Deists and Theists and of many evolutionists, who believe in a god who started the world and then departed far away, the true God has always been with us. About this He says in Jeremiah 23 "`Am I God who is near,' declares the LORD, `And not far off? Can a man hide himself in hiding places, so I do not see him?' declares the LORD. `Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?' declares the LORD." (Jer. 23:23-24). The God of the Bible, the true Creator is omnipresent, everywhere at the same time. He fills all of creation with His presence; every mountain and every molecule; and yet He is not a part of that creation. He remains Creator distinct from His creation. And so a God who is everywhere is certainly a God who is with us.

When Paul preached to the pagans of Lystra (in Acts 14) He reminded them that the true God, the Creator, had always been with them, giving them witness of Himself by providing them with rains, fruitful seasons, and giving them food and glad hearts. Thus, God has always been with His creation in the sense that He, who is everywhere, has showered all mankind with blessings -- despite their sin.



But with the birth of Jesus Christ in Bethlehem, Immanuel, "God With Us," takes on a whole new meaning. For in the person of baby Jesus, God is "with us" not merely to bless us. Nor is He with us in the sense that He is going to merely work through Jesus to help us, protect us, and guide us. No-the little Lord Jesus asleep on the hay is "God with us" because He is God.

What sent the shepherds back to the fields rejoicing, what made the wise men fall down in wonder in the shadow of that babe, was the gripping realization that they were in the presence of their Creator made man.

Years later St. John the Evangelist under the inspiration of the Spirit would write the perfect commentary on the Christmas events. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God; and all things were made through Him and apart from Him nothing was made which was made...And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth" (John 1:1-3, 14).

The true message of Christmas is one to stagger the imagination: The Second Person of the Trinity, the only begotten Son of the Father, the eternal Word, our Creator wills to clothe Himself in our nature, and to become man, our brother, one of us. God Himself lies in the manger, completely human, completely Divine.

Immanuel or Emmanuel or Imanu'el (Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל "God [is] with us" consists of two Hebrew words: אֵל (’El, meaning 'God') and עִמָּנוּ (ʻImmānū, meaning 'with us'); Standard Hebrew ʻImmanuʼel, Tiberian Hebrew ʻImmānûʼēl). It is a theophoric name used in the Bible in Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 8:8. It appears once in the Christian New Testament: in Matthew's quotation of Isaiah 7:14.

Well I do not believe Jesus is God, I only believe in one God, and I will leave it at that. We view scripture differently, so I consider it a waste of time to go through any with you, I have done that before.

Peace.

Mickiel;1347509 wrote: Well I do not believe Jesus is God, I only believe in one God, and I will leave it at that. We view scripture differently, so I consider it a waste of time to go through any with you, I have done that before.

Peace.


OK

But the link I sent you for the Kingdom of the anti Christ talk gives am excellent explanation of how to really study the Bible

I ask you to please watch this 17 part talk

Bless you

freethinkingthuthseeker;1347558 wrote: OK

But the link I sent you for the Kingdom of the anti Christ talk gives am excellent explanation of how to really study the Bible

I ask you to please watch this 17 part talk

Bless you


I hold no intrest in the things which intrest you, our mindset is totally different in Spiritual matters. I am satisfied with my avenue of learning, and need not listen to what things please your consciousness. I hold no intrest in swaying you, and ask that you show me the same respect, I do not hunger for the things that you do.

Peace.

I am so sorry you feel that way and must comfess to some confusion.

You have made many claims of the Bible and stated so may times that you wish to discuss them or to put it your way " and I would like to go into that". You do not know me very well Brother if you wish to discuss thinks regarding the Bible why not meet me half way and discuss?

What for example is your take on Isaiah 43 where these words are repeated by GOD: Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel;???

Also, the reason I wished to share with you the Kingdom of the antichrist talk by wallid shoebat which I linked for you above is that until now I have never seen or heard anyone who claimed to understand the book of revelations, tha last book of the Bible with the conclusions of this world but this man who has deeply studied the Bible has unpacked it in a way that makes sense and he is not claiming the credit for himself.

He is surely inspirred By God

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you state you do not wish to look at what otrhers say but I also recall some months ago you said you do not have spiritual understanding of the Bible.

I just ask you to at least check out a man who has studied the Bible so deeply including in hebrew and greek

God bless you Mickiel

Kevin

freethinkingthuthseeker;1347619 wrote: I am so sorry you feel that way and must comfess to some confusion.

You have made many claims of the Bible and stated so may times that you wish to discuss them or to put it your way " and I would like to go into that". You do not know me very well Brother if you wish to discuss thinks regarding the Bible why not meet me half way and discuss?

What for example is your take on Isaiah 43 where these words are repeated by GOD: Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel;???

Also, the reason I wished to share with you the Kingdom of the antichrist talk by wallid shoebat which I linked for you above is that until now I have never seen or heard anyone who claimed to understand the book of revelations, tha last book of the Bible with the conclusions of this world but this man who has deeply studied the Bible has unpacked it in a way that makes sense and he is not claiming the credit for himself.

He is surely inspirred By God

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you state you do not wish to look at what otrhers say but I also recall some months ago you said you do not have spiritual understanding of the Bible.

I just ask you to at least check out a man who has studied the Bible so deeply including in hebrew and greek

God bless you Mickiel

Kevin




Again I say for the second time, I hold no intrest in what intrest you, I do not try to persuade you to do things, I ask for the same respect. I don't want to discuss the bible with you, I have done that before. It is useless, you view it as you do, I view it differently. There will be no change in that, simply discuss it with someonelse.

Peace on your journey.

Mickiel,

are you per chance an attende of Kingdom Halls?

I only ask as a man who is interested in Truth would not shy away from sharing his understanding and sources of such?

You appear to be scared of the WORD, I so hope I am wrong about that

Please get back and explain why you have selectively ignored, the questions I have posed such as John 1 Isaiah 48 andthers through this thread of perhaps half of the 57 pages herein

God bless you

freethinkingthuthseeker;1347636 wrote: Mickiel,

are you per chance an attende of Kingdom Halls?

I only ask as a man who is interested in Truth would not shy away from sharing his understanding and sources of such?

You appear to be scared of the WORD, I so hope I am wrong about that

Please get back and explain why you have selectively ignored, the questions I have posed such as John 1 Isaiah 48 andthers through this thread of perhaps half of the 57 pages herein

God bless you




I do not attend any church, I am not part of ANY religion. And I see no sense in discussing scripture with you again, we are both set in our interpitations.

Peace.

Mickiel;1347705 wrote: I do not attend any church, I am not part of ANY religion. And I see no sense in discussing scripture with you again, we are both set in our interpitations.

Peace.


Discuss scripture again? when have we actually discussed it?

freethinkingthuthseeker;1347717 wrote: Discuss scripture again? when have we actually discussed it?




Look, I have very little fellowship with christians, I simply disagree with them, as I do Atheist. I have been around the mountian of discussing scriptures with christians many times before, there is a great gulf fixed between me and christianity, we simply cannot walk together in agreement.

You always want me to " Read things which impress you", as if they will impress me. We are impressed far differently. You want me to " Look at things" which you have looked at, I am not you. My mind is not like yours. Your material is not for me. Neither is your interpitation of scripture, I am not of your fold.

Peace.

read the title of the thread freethinkingtruthseeker, it clearly states Mickey here has gears in his head.

littleCJelkton;1347741 wrote: read the title of the thread freethinkingtruthseeker, it clearly states Mickey here has gears in his head.




Yes I have a few up there.

Peace young man.

Mickiel;1347728 wrote: Look, I have very little fellowship with christians, I simply disagree with them, as I do Atheist. I have been around the mountian of discussing scriptures with christians many times before, there is a great gulf fixed between me and christianity, we simply cannot walk together in agreement.

You always want me to " Read things which impress you", as if they will impress me. We are impressed far differently. You want me to " Look at things" which you have looked at, I am not you. My mind is not like yours. Your material is not for me. Neither is your interpitation of scripture, I am not of your fold.

Peace.


Ok so what is your motive for posting on this forum?

Who do you wish to " go into that with? Not Christians ( the only people who accept the whole Bible and no other books such as the hadith or talmud) and unlike JW's have an uncoruupted Bible and not athiests too you state so who exactly do you wish to Discuss the GOOD BOOK with???

Peace

Mickiel;1347728 wrote: Look, I have very little fellowship with christians, I simply disagree with them, as I do Atheist. I have been around the mountian of discussing scriptures with christians many times before, there is a great gulf fixed between me and christianity, we simply cannot walk together in agreement.

You always want me to " Read things which impress you", as if they will impress me. We are impressed far differently. You want me to " Look at things" which you have looked at, I am not you. My mind is not like yours. Your material is not for me. Neither is your interpitation of scripture, I am not of your fold.

Peace.


OK, so who do you actually wish to disuss the Bible with or what is your motive for posting here? You do not wish to discuss the Bible with athiests, nor with Christians ( the only People who accept the entire Bible as the word of God unlike other who use parts plus the Talmud or hadith), so who exactly do you wish to "go into this with"???

Peace

freethinkingthuthseeker;1347824 wrote: OK, so who do you actually wish to disuss the Bible with or what is your motive for posting here? You do not wish to discuss the Bible with athiests, nor with Christians ( the only People who accept the entire Bible as the word of God unlike other who use parts plus the Talmud or hadith), so who exactly do you wish to "go into this with"???

Peace


It does not matter to me who I discuss it with, and you know what, I have discussed it for over 18 years online. There are people that I just see no reason to discuss the bible with any longer, thats just how it is sometimes. If you read this entire thread, I have discussed it with many, many people, but rarely am I able to do so with christians.

And speaking of Jehovahs Witnesses, I find their knowledge of scripture far superior than that of christians, although I disagree with them also.

I post online as a witness to what I believe is the truth.

Peace.

Thank you so much for that feedback.

I know that JW'S have some good understanding of the Bible but thier Bible is not quite the same as everyone else;s and I do hope you are not studying one of theirs.

After a couple of them came to my home, I wanted to ask them some questions but they turned back only to what they were trained to discuss. It is as if they have script which they cannot deviate from. I di get an email address from one and sent then 28 questions about the Bible.

That was over 2 years ago and they have still not even acknowledged the questions.

Is that a good sign that they are inspired by God?

If you are still in touch with any of them I would vbe fascinated to know what they think of the two verses

Isaiah 44:6 , “Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer = Jesus - the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”

Then as well: Isaiah 42:1 which reads, “Behold my servant whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him.” In this single verse the Son [“servant”], the Father [“I”] and the Holy Spirit [“spirit”] are mentioned and all in one verse in the Old testament!

A third reference is Isaiah 48:16, “Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.” In this verse, “I” and “me” refer to the Father and Son , and “his spirit” is the Holy Spirit. So here again are three Persons in one verse.

Then there is Isaiah 61:1, “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me.” This verse was even quoted by the Lord Jesus Himself in Luke 4:18, and in verse 21 He said, “This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears,” proving that the “me” referred to Christ Himself, “the Lord God” to the Father, and “the Spirit” to the Holy Spirit. Christ, therefore, clearly identified Himself as a member of the blessed Trinity which Isaiah had so specifically set forth.

Also on the New Testament

In Christ’s statement in Matthew 28:18,19, when He commissioned His disciples to serve Him. “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” Notice that it says”name,” not “names,” when referring to God.

I expect the JW's to state this in not in thier Bible but willing to see if not.

Finally, I wish you no ill but like me you are a student of the Bible. when I have made recommendations to to you it is honestly not about oushing ideas at you but offering to share sources of opinion and interpretation of God Holy words.

I as a student, look at many different sources to deepen my understanding of God.

I am surprised that you do not have this hunger.

I only wished to share Kingdom of the antiChrist on you tube with you because the man presenting it shows very clearly how to deeply study the Holy Bible.

It doe not hurt to at least look at others opinions or revelations on The Bible and I do not even reject listening to muslims and Jews thoughts on the Bible.

It is the great quest in Life for TRUTH.

God Bless you Mickiel

Kevin

Thank you so much for that feedback.

I know that JW'S have some good understanding of the Bible but their Bible is not quite the same as everyone else;s and I do hope you are not studying one of theirs.

After a couple of them came to my home, I wanted to ask them some questions but they turned back only to what they were trained to discuss. It is as if they have script which they cannot deviate from. I did get an email address from one and sent then 28 questions about the Bible.

That was over 2 years ago and they have still not even acknowledged the questions.

Is that a good sign that they are inspired by God?

If you are still in touch with any of them I would be fascinated to know what they think of the two verses

Isaiah 44:6 , “Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer = Jesus - the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”

Then as well: Isaiah 42:1 which reads, “Behold my servant whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him.” In this single verse the Son [“servant”], the Father [“I”] and the Holy Spirit [“spirit”] are mentioned and all in one verse in the Old testament!

A third reference is Isaiah 48:16, “Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.” In this verse, “I” and “me” refer to the Father and Son , and “his spirit” is the Holy Spirit. So here again are three Persons in one verse.

Then there is Isaiah 61:1, “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me.” This verse was even quoted by the Lord Jesus Himself in Luke 4:18, and in verse 21 He said, “This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears,” proving that the “me” referred to Christ Himself, “the Lord God” to the Father, and “the Spirit” to the Holy Spirit. Christ, therefore, clearly identified Himself as a member of the blessed Trinity which Isaiah had so specifically set forth.

Also on the New Testament

In Christ’s statement in Matthew 28:18,19, when He commissioned His disciples to serve Him. “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” Notice that it says”name,” not “names,” when referring to God.

I expect the JW's to state this in not in their Bible but willing to see if not.

Finally, I wish you no ill but like me you are a student of the Bible. when I have made recommendations to to you it is honestly not about pushing ideas at you but offering to share sources of opinion and interpretation of God Holy words.

I as a student, look at many different sources to deepen my understanding of God.

I am surprised that you do not have this hunger.

I only wished to share Kingdom of the antiChrist on you tube with you because the man presenting it shows very clearly how to deeply study the Holy Bible.

It doe not hurt to at least look at others opinions or revelations on The Bible and I do not even reject listening to muslims and Jews thoughts on the Bible.

It is the great quest in Life for TRUTH.

God Bless you Mickiel

Kevin

freethinkingthuthseeker;1347858 wrote:

I only wished to share Kingdom of the antiChrist on you tube with you because the man presenting it shows very clearly how to deeply study the Holy Bible.

It doe not hurt to at least look at others opinions or revelations on The Bible and I do not even reject listening to muslims and Jews thoughts on the Bible.

It is the great quest in Life for TRUTH.

God Bless you Mickiel

Kevin




I hold little intrest in the Anti-christ, it is too unclear to me. What God wants me to understand, he will give it to me, I expect that from no onelse. And I want nothingelse to get in between that. I have grown accustomed to the Holy Spirit teaching me, although I do not have it, it still deals with my consciousness from time to time, so I trust that, nothingelse. It does not give me what I want to know according to my desire and requests, it does what it does when it does, and there is nothing I can do about that. But I am content with it, I have no choice but to be.

Peace.

Mickiel;1347885 wrote: I hold little intrest in the Anti-christ, it is too unclear to me. What God wants me to understand, he will give it to me, I expect that from no onelse. And I want nothingelse to get in between that. I have grown accustomed to the Holy Spirit teaching me, although I do not have it, it still deals with my consciousness from time to time, so I trust that, nothingelse. It does not give me what I want to know according to my desire and requests, it does what it does when it does, and there is nothing I can do about that. But I am content with it, I have no choice but to be.



Peace.
My friend

what you describe as the Holy Spirit does not sound healthy at all. The Holy spirit always gives us imformation in a very calm simple yet profound and dep way. I pray to God that you are not being corrupted by another spirit!

It is clear in the Bible that it is very unhealthy to go it alone with God, You must communicate with someone who knows and loves God with all their heart, as is cleart in the new Testament

God bless you

freethinkingthuthseeker;1348008 wrote: My friend

what you describe as the Holy Spirit does not sound healthy at all. The Holy spirit always gives us imformation in a very calm simple yet profound and dep way. I pray to God that you are not being corrupted by another spirit!

It is clear in the Bible that it is very unhealthy to go it alone with God, You must communicate with someone who knows and loves God with all their heart, as is cleart in the new Testament

God bless you




I am content with the communication that I have.

Peace.

Mickiel;1348014 wrote: I am content with the communication that I have.

Peace.


Then it is not GOD as you would feel an incredible sense of Love

Bless you

freethinkingthuthseeker;1348042 wrote: Then it is not GOD as you would feel an incredible sense of Love

Bless you




You do not know what God is doing in my life, which is another reason I do not like speaking with you.

And I will do so no more, I am finished with you.

Peace on your journey.

Mickiel;840402 wrote: I am not an evangelist, I am not a Christian, but I do believe in the bible. That being said, I have found many, many scriptures that show the Salvation of all. It would be too brash and take up too much room to list them, but I suggest a study of the bible for yourself. While your at it, consider 1 Tim. 2:6;"Who gave himself as a Ransom for all." Here the death of Jesus is called a " Ransom for All", that means everyone will benefit from his death, not just the believers. 1John 2:2 confirms this;"And he himself is the Propitiation for our sins, ( the " Our" here means believers) and not " Ours only", but also for those of the Whole World."

Propitiation means satisfaction, or rendering Favorable, which means Christ death renders Gods judgement over sinful humanity in the favor of Salvation. Jesus did this for everyone, but thats not whats being taught. Peace.There are as many Scriptures that seem to say the opposite of what the Scriptures to which you refer seem to be saying.

There is a principle regarding God that is not what we, in our limited beings, would expect.

It is seen, for example, in the situation of Pharoah in Exodus, where God informs Moses that he has hardened Pharoah's heart so that he will not listen to Moses (Ex 7:3-4, 10:1, 27, 11:9-10, 14:8), and at the same time God commands Pharoah to obey (Ex 8:1, 9:13, 10:3).

So which is it? Does God want Pharoah to obey him, as he commands him to do, or does God want Pharoah to disobey him, as he has hardened his heart to do?

Think about it, and we'll continue. . .

eleanor;1355044 wrote: There are as many Scriptures that seem to say the opposite of what the Scriptures to which you refer seem to be saying.

There is a principle regarding God that is not what we, in our limited beings, would expect.

It is seen, for example, in the situation of Pharoah in Exodus, where God informs Moses that he has hardened Pharoah's heart so that he will not listen to Moses (Ex 7:3-4, 10:1, 27, 11:9-10, 14:8), and at the same time God commands Pharoah to obey (Ex 8:1, 9:13, 10:3).

So which is it? Does God want Pharoah to obey him, as he commands him to do, or does God want Pharoah to disobey him, as he has hardened his heart to do?

Think about it, and we'll continue. . .




I don't rightly understand God, hisways are a mystery to me. But I understand that God does both, he influences people to both obey and disobey him. Whichever way that suits his will at the time.

Peace.

We simply don't " Know it all", and we are learning about the bible and God from a serious " Handicap." Which is why the bible shifts so many gears in my mind, often throwing me off track. Its challenging and perplexing, this God we believe in. This God we disbelieve in. Where is the middle ground in it all?

Peace.

The middle ground between unbelief and belief, is somewhere close to Agnosticism, you understand that you really don't know. From this position, one could go either way, or walk the line of inbetween. I have never paied attention to this position, but I begin to understand it all the more. From this position, the mind can be shifted, and oh how we long for the true way to think. I know that I do. An unorthodox position, but an interesting one.

And I want to take a closer look at it.

Peace.

Agnostic is basically a view of " Not Knowing"; it is unknown. And I respect that view, when a person can simply say, " I don't know." I am sure there is much more to this view than that, but I only mention that little bit because it intrest me, because I don't know either, the things concerning God. When the mind does not know and understand, it can be shifted into almost any direction. Highly influenced. All of us really are Agnostic, in some thoughts or another. So I have new respect for the way of belief called " Agnosticism."

Peace.

I don't know how God influences the human mind, I have my " Theorys", my quesses. I think he uses the human consciousness, as we would a computer; downloading information, direction, beliefs AND unbeliefs, and ultimately his Spirit. And thus he is able to " Shift the gears in our minds", in whatever manner he so pleases.

And I would like to discuss that.

Peace.

Information can be downloaded into a computer, and without using a user ID, no one can know who downloaded it. I think this is one reason why God is so unknown to humanity, he " Downloaded Consciousness into humanity", and his program has been running ever since, percisely as he intended. His creation of " Human Consciousness", is nothing short of astounding and incredible! A " Stand off God for now", he started humanity like a spinning top, to spin as long as he programed it to function. He is " Hiding himself", and uniquely manipulating human consciousness from afar. He can " Shift the gears" of any human mind. He can create and download " Genius" into a humans consciousness, thus incerting advancment into the world, thus influencing the world. He can download adventurous spirits into a humans consciousness, thus expanding human consciousness into a wide range of land on earth, thus creating" Global civilization." Or he can download " Physical capabilitys into a womans womb", thus creating different races and cultures, all from just two people.

So my mind is shifted and attracted to this seemingly " Almighty Being", just thrilled by him in my consciousness. This mind he gave me, this thing somewhere in my head or body, this " Incredible thinking Spirit", which is awesome!

Just how does God create Consciousness, because I sure don't fall for the belief that it created itself from nothing.

Peace.

So how does God create Consciousness. Somehow, I can slightly understand how he creates matter, or human flesh, even animals; like a craftsman, hes just able to form and shape things, and cause them to live. Like I said, I " Slightly understand that, no more than slight!" But Consciousness, now thats just truly amazing! He can create individual, self thinking and maturing consciousness. And somehow, fashion it to be able to procreate and be passed down through generations.

The science of Consciousness is amazing, even scientist don't totally comprehend it. Consciousness seems to be a " Spirit in humans", its just there, not really having a specific location in the body. We tend to think its somewhere in our heads, behind our eyes, because we look " Outward." But any biologist can tell you, there is nothing inside of the human skull, except flesh. You can't see or contain a Spirit inside of a can or jar.

So a key in understanding how God creates consciousness, is understanding what a " Spirit is."

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

A " Spirit" is something that is conscious, but has no physical body itself. Its life on another plane, anti-matter. So to say " Spirit body", is really contridiction, if you are using the term body as you would describing flesh. I think our consciousness is really a spirit, and our bodys are simply carrying our spirit around. The human body is the " Temple of the Spirit", or the Spirit is contained in our body. That Spirit is the closest thing to God that we can know right now, because its a boarderline peice of Gods own self; his own dimension, his own world, his own existence. The human Spirit, the human consciousness- not to be confused with " The Spirit of God", the Spirit of God is Gods consciousness.

And I want to get more into this.

God blew into Adam " The breath of Life", or " Consciousness". The breath came from inside God, so a Spirit is conscious life from inside God, now placed within the human being, which is what gives us our being. Our personality, our emotions, our intelligence, our memory, our talents, our whole being is contained within that breath, that consciousness, that Spirit. These things do not come from our " Body." This is the " Spirit in man", and all humans have it, and it comes from God.

The " Spirit of God", is the Spirit God gives those he calls out into conversion, its the born again Spirit, which is an annointing Spirit, something I have little understanding of.

The " Spirit world" is real, very real. So many people desire for humans to meet beings from outer space, something non human out there somewhere on one of those planets, never knowing that we have it already here on earth now -- the " Spirit reality." And this has shifted many gears in my mind, the bible really gets into these Spirits. When you see all kinds of troubles and havoc and fighting occuring somewhere on earth, you can bet that these " Spirits" are congregating there.

There is a definte tie in to the bible and " Spirits." It speaks a lot about spirits, and Gods spirit world. I can understand why some see it as fantasy, because it does seem mystical; this God and his world. So I want to spend a little time on just what is God.

What is God? So many people ask where God came from, how did he get here? The answer is that reality needs at least one thing to have been alive, for anythingelse to have exsistance, that one thing is God. One thing MUST exist that is not bound by any laws or any restrictions, in order for anythingelse to ever have even a chance to exist. God is that one thing. If God didnot always exist, nothingelse could ever exist.

So God is the continuim of Life, the beginning of Life, the organizer of life; God is life itself. He is the one constant needed for reality! God is eternity, without eternity, even temporal time couldnot exist. Without a perminence, temporal couldnot exist. Without Spirit existing first , flesh could never have existed, because spirit is the life of the flesh.

So God is the key to existence , the only denomenator of all existing dimensions.

God is indeed mysterious, no doubt there. Hes got to be patient, because hes been holding back with humanity for a long time. So what is God? Well, he must be a " Ruler" and Sovereign. A majestic super monarch of incredible great power. Royal for sure; august and splendid. Feared?, by some, yes. Worshipped? by some, yes. But what is he like personally? Can we know?

We most certainly can. His characther is described in Galations 5:22-23, these are actual descriptions of Gods own ways; Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness and Self Control-- all these ARE what God is! Notice how wonderful these terms are. God is Kind and Gentle -, who would think that of the most powerful being in existence? One may think hes arrogant and aloof, mean and selfish. But he is not. He is Good and Loving, I mean thats how he really is! Its hard to picture that.

God is not a sad being, hes Joyful, happy all the time; I mean thats his real disposition. Hes a Peaceful ruler.

So what is God? Well we know he is " A Spirit", in fact he has 7 Spirits, all other beings only have one. A Spirit is also a Consciousness; do you know what that may well mean? God may have 7 seperate consciousness, such a thing would be incredible!

But thats one description of what God is; simply Incredible!

I suspect God is a conglomeration of many unknown things, but he is a " Generator " for sure. He generates power; he produces; he converts his mental energy into both physical and spiritual reality; he is a virtual dynamo. I don't need to be impressed any more than I am by him, I just look at what he has already done and it stifiles me. Shifts definte gears in my mind. A most impressive thing about God, is his decision to " Have Children." And in this humanity is blessed.

Whatelse is God? Well God is Love, thats WHY none of humanity is doomed! John 3:16;" For God so " Loved" the world, that he GAVE..... He gave us Jesus, his ultimate expression of Love. And he GAVE Jesus a mission, 1John 4:14- he sent him to save a world. Not a certain people, not just believers, but to be a " World Savior!" God GAVE this as a reality, and I know its unbelieved and misunderstood. God GAVE, and he is still going to GIVE; give what? Love and Salvation to humanity. Thats what God wants; its what he desires, its what he planned.

God plans on giving because he is a very loving being, he will do what he must, but his personal disposition and characther is soley based on Love.

Whatelse is God? Well, God is the thread that " Holds all things together." He is the power supply, an incredible responsibility. He is in charge of all things; Responsible for all things and he fuels all things.

Without God, everything would just fall apart and just cease to be.

God is also" He who must be obeyed", but he knows that humans don't understand that, and he knows we do not have the power to obey him. He complettely understands that, so all of humanity is " Excused." The " Spirit world" is complettely ruled by God, they all understand there is no other way but Gods, they know all is his. And the manner in which God rules, causes them to adore him, of course this does not include demons. God is supremely confident in himself, and this arua of obedience powerfully preceeds him; I think he is a very egnigmatic being. With nothing but Good on his mind. Understand that about him and it will shift gears in your consciousness.

God is also " Gentle." This is a way of God that many do not understand, mostly because they are attracted to Gods " Wrath." Negative fearful believers really like to talk about the wrath of God. How God is going to destroy, to punish and to judge the world; this is the part of God they adore. But these ARE NOT parts of Gods characther, these are just things God is going to temporarily have to do. God is NOTHING like those things he will have to do. God is Gentle, extremely gentle! He is calm and settled.

I think it will surprise the world, believers included, when we find out how God really is. Gods disposition is mild and honorable, he is courteous and generous. He does not rule with his power, he rules with his Love.

Yet Gods Love is a power unto itself. It is said when the ruler is peaceful and fair, the people rejoice. God Loves humanity because he can't help himself; hes just a very loving being. And when and if God decides to show that to a human individual, that person will never be the same, they themselves will always love God, because of their " Exposure to him."

All humans who do not believe in God, AND many believers have not yet been exposed to God; I know I have not. Its a life changing, conscious changing reality. Its like being bathed in Righteousness from him; a purging of immense powerful Love.

And that will shift the gears in the mind of all of humanity, and thats what will bring about world peace.

I have noticed that certain Atheist are starting to creep into another thread I am expressing. I just wanted to say that Atheism shifted some gears in my mind. When I looked into the bible, then I understood that God wanted Atheism to grow and be a part of humanity. I see it in the garden of Eden, in the tree which contains BOTH the knowledge of Good and Evil; meaning the complette spectrum of human understanding and directions of thought we could go in.

Believers in God, are that, because their supposed to be like that; Conversely, unbelievers are that way because they are supposed to be that way. I disagree with the believers who think " Something is wrong with unbelievers;" theres nothing wrong with them, they are as they should be. They are where they are supposed to be, in Gods balence of the tree of knowledge.

Atheism then became a proof of God to me, how he shapes and molds human consciousness.

Children became a proof of God to me. I remember when my son was only 2 years old, everywhere I went in the house, he followed me. Always smiling and cheerful, I see God in that. I used to work at a elementary school; I remember the children playing and laughing, such innocent pure joy, I knew God was real. I look at how they serious love their parents, and I see God in that. What the bible can do, is shift the gears in your consciousness, to begin to see that the God it records is real, in the simplest of things.

You got all these unbelievers screaming for proof, looking for technical explinations, and the proof is literally all around us. They just can't see it.