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Mickiel;1371515 wrote: How can we know further that God is real, well by validating the bible, which reveals God. Research biblical archaeology. Pull up " The Nuzi Tablets" on your internet. Nuzi was a Hurrian administrative center not far from the Hurrian capital at Kirkuk in northen Iraq. The Hurrians are equivalent to the Horites in the old testament, also called Hivites and Jebusites. Excavations were carried out at Nuzi by American teams from 1925 to 1933. The major find was more than 5,000 family and administrative archives spanning six generations, ca. 1450-1350. They deal with the social, economic, religious and legal institutions of the Hurrians, which exactly match those listed in the bible. Such as:

Adoption for childless couples- Gen. 15:2

Children by proxy- Gen. 16; 21:1

Inheritence rights- Gen. 25:29

Marriage arrangements- Gen.28

Levirate marriage- Gen. 38; Duet. 25:5

Deathbed blessings- Gen. 27

Household gods- Gen. 31:14,30

Again, stunning confirmation of the bibles historical value and validity.


This again does nothing to support that anything in the bible actually happened just that somebody came along at one point and decided to make the moral fables that are in the bible more relative to the lives of the people living there by relating them to actual places, events, people.

Pecos bill was a cowboy in the Mid-West it is wrote he visited places like Dodge City and Ponderosa and there are documents of guys named Bill visiting those places does that mean there was a Tornado riding cowboy that rode around back then?

While you are researching the " Nuzi Tablets", you may as well punch in " The Mari Archives."

The ancient city of Mari, located in northen Syria, was a thriving metropolis ca. 2800-1760 B.C. Mari was the capitol of the " Armorites." Armotites were spread far and wide throughout the ancient near east, including the hill country of Canaan vanquished by the Israelites ( Num. 13:29,Josh. 10:6). The French excavated Mari and found an enormous palace covering 6 acres, with nearly 300 rooms on ground level, and just as many above on a second floor. An archive of about 15,000 texts confirmed the exact same things that the " Nuzi Tablets" confirmed about biblical exactness to the practices in those times.

Again, stunning confirmation of biblical accuracy.

Are there any more examples of conformation of biblical accuracy outside of the bible? There Most certainly there is;

We have the campaign into Israel by Pharoah " Shishak", recorded in the bible in 1Kings 14:25-26, is also recorded on the walls of the " Temple of Amun " , in Thebes, Egypt.

We also have the " Revolt of Moab" against Israel, recorded in the bible in 2 Kings 1:1; 3:4-27, recorded on the " Mesha Inscription."

When critics come at you with all kinds of inane inuendo, you stick to the facts. Show them these historical confirmations;

The fall of " Samaria", to Sargon II King of Assyria, recorded in the bible in 2 Kings 17:3-6, 24: 18-19 , as recorded on his palace walls.

The defeat of " Sargon II", recorded in the bible in Isaiah 20:1, as recorded on his palace walls.

The campaign of the Assyrian king " Sennacherib" against " Judah", recorded in the bible in 2 Kings 18:13-16, as recorded on the Taylor Prism.

These are all historically confirmed events from written sources outside of the bible, which coincide perfectly with the bible.

Then we have the Siege of " Lachish" by Sennacherib , recorded in the bible in 2 Kings 18:14,17, as recorded on the " Lachish Reliefs."

We also have record of Sennacheribs assassination by his own sons, recorded by the bible in 2 Kings 19:37, as recorded in the annals of his son " Esarhaddon."

WE have the fall of " Nineveh" as predicted by the prophets Nahum and Zephaniah ( 2:13-15), recorded on the " Tablet of Nabopolasar." A sizziling display of classic biblical prophecy comming true.

Nothing here proves anything keep puling this stuff from the ether reaches of your colon and the crap will begin to pile up on you.

We have the fall of Jerusalem to " Nebuchadnezzar", King of Babylon, recorded in the bible in 2 Kings 24:10-14, as recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles.

We have the captivity of " Jehoiachin", King of Judah, in Babylon, recorded by the bible in 2 Kings 24:15-16, as recorded on the Babylonian Ration Records. Look it up!

Notice Romans 12:2;" And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your consciousness, that you may " Prove" what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect." Get used to proving things; all things. Learn how to prove God, and the things of God to yourself.

nope still haven't proved anything keep trying

We have the fall of babylon to the Medes and Persians, recorded by the bible in Daniel 5:30-31, as recorded on the " Cyrus Cylinder."

We have the freeing of captives in Babylon by Cyrus the Great, recorded by the bible in Ezra 1:1-4, 6:3-4, as recorded on the Cyrus Cylinder.

We have the forcing of Jews to leave Rome during the reign of Claudius, recorded in the bible in Acts 18:2, as recorded by Suetonius.

proves nothing except that babylon fell I don't even think we would need the bible to tell us that

Mickiel;1371566 wrote: We have the fall of babylon to the Medes and Persians, recorded by the bible in Daniel 5:30-31, as recorded on the " Cyrus Cylinder."

We have the freeing of captives in Babylon by Cyrus the Great, recorded by the bible in Ezra 1:1-4, 6:3-4, as recorded on the Cyrus Cylinder.

We have the forcing of Jews to leave Rome during the reign of Claudius, recorded in the bible in Acts 18:2, as recorded by Suetonius.

We have " Darius the Great." Darius-I was king of the Persian empire from 522-486 BC. He gave permission to renew the rebuilding of the temple in Ezra 6:1-12, which had prior been discontinued for ten years. Archaeologist have found his gravesite. There are three other tombs at the site, thought to be those of Persian kings " Xerexes" - 485-465 BC, Artaxerxes- 465-424 BC, and Darius II- 423-405 BC.- but of these they are not really certain.

" Abimelech at Shechem" is of great biblical intrest. Yet another stunning find. For some 800 years, from the time of biblical Jacob until the time of biblical Gideon, Shechem was an important highland urban center controlling the area from Megiddo to Jerusalem. Gideons son Abimelech went to the leaders of Shechem to gain support for his failed attempt to become king of the Israelite tribes. Three archaeological finds at Shechem relate to the narrative of Judges 9 in the bible.

Mickiel;1371657 wrote: but of these they are not really certain. that says it all right there

Is God real? Well I have showed you many things you can use as evidence toward that, and many biblical things. Over the years there have been many criticisms leveled against the bible concerning its historical reliability. These criticisms are usually based on a lack of evidence from outside sources to confirm the biblical record. Since the bible can be considered a religious book, many scholars take the position that it is biased and cannot be trusted unless we have corroborating evidence from extra-biblical sources. In other words, the bible is quilty until proven innocent.

So I have used archaeology sources outside of the bible, to provide its historical validity; which is a solid step toward proving the God who inspired it, is thus real.

Such as the discovery of " The Ebla archive" in northern Syria. This stunning find shows the biblical writings of the Patriarchs are indeed viable. I am going to leave archaeology for a bit, and get into other leads that point to God being real; but later I'll return to it.

Mickiel;1371744 wrote: ack of evidence from outside sources to confirm the biblical record.
Not trying too DUHHHHHH!

The bible is a fictional book loosely based on Non-fictional events in order to teach morals in a archaic society, and has been modified numerous times to make ease of acceptance among new followers more palatable. Nothing you said so far proves anything about at this god of yours. Your just the Energizer Bunny of B. S. now aren't you.

Don't allow your consciousness to " Flatline on the thought of God being real." The world is continually inward and selfish, ever turning away from God; and into the evernarrowing world of self. People are judging the future without judging the past. We are allowing the thought of God to be penertrated by these " New World Thoughts", which are still basically centered on self. They tell you; " That you are god." And this mess is growing. A spoonful of pure water into sewage, you still have sewage; a spoonful of sewage into water; you have sewage.

In your evaluation of God being real; keep the sewage out of your consciousness. There are many sewage stewards continually trying to infest you with their product.

Mickiel;1371853 wrote: Don't allow your consciousness to " Flatline on the thought of God being real." The world is continually inward and selfish, ever turning away from God; and into the evernarrowing world of self. People are judging the future without judging the past. We are allowing the thought of God to be penertrated by these " New World Thoughts", which are still basically centered on self. They tell you; " That you are god." And this mess is growing. A spoonful of pure water into sewage, you still have sewage; a spoonful of sewage into water; you have sewage.

In your evaluation of God being real; keep the sewage out of your consciousness. There are many sewage stewards continually trying to infest you with their product. I know like a guy that turned water in to wine still had that crap that came out of some Jerusalem well

Use Romance to know that God is real. Key in on the emotions that he gave you. Our emotions didnot orginate from big bang explosions, or chemicals that formed themselves from nothing; how could such mindless things form our emotions? Love, Joy, Hate, jealousy, laughter, crying; and so much more- do you think these things are continous with the idiot heirarchy of speechless apes? Your attraction to the person in your romance, was a predesigned way of being.

And we can be attracted to God. And just like in any romance, there will be those haters who willnot want you to draw near to God.

So I want to cover Romance as a proof of God for awhile.

Oh look at me !!! I'm making people happy! I'm the magical man from happy land, with a gumdrop house on lollipop lane!

You want the truth! You can't handle the truth! No truth handler you! Bah! I deride your truth handling abilities!"

Mickiel;1371967 wrote: Use Romance to know that God is real. Key in on the emotions that he gave you. Our emotions didnot orginate from big bang explosions, or chemicals that formed themselves from nothing; how could such mindless things form our emotions? Love, Joy, Hate, jealousy, laughter, crying; and so much more- do you think these things are continous with the idiot heirarchy of speechless apes? Your attraction to the person in your romance, was a predesigned way of being.

And we can be attracted to God. And just like in any romance, there will be those haters who willnot want you to draw near to God.

So I want to cover Romance as a proof of God for awhile.


romance is dead. It was acquired in a hostile takeover by Hallmark and Disney, homogenized, and sold off piece by piece

Romance; an incredible proof of God.

When we think of Romance, we tend to think physical attraction, yet it is often fueled by emotional content. The drive to mate; the desire to Love and be loved. That can be a very powerful pull, a very demanding desire. And is natural; common within the human consciousness. It can keep you up at night, make you toss and turn in bed. It can make you dream; and dream of fulfilling your dreams. It can make you lonely and cure your lonliness. It can enrage you and sooth you. It can make you confident and make you jealous.

Just what is this " Thing within us?" And does it have anything to do with God?

Mickiel;1372086 wrote: Romance; an incredible proof of God.

Just what is this " Thing within us?" And does it have anything to do with God?

Well Romance is something that is impossible to evolve from an animal to a human, it had to be installed into humanity, as a unique gift for humanity, obvious proof of an installer. Romance has no evolution, it remains the same. It has no physical pressence within the human body, it is a unique, common mindset; or something set into the human charactheristic. Evolution cannot set things within the human consciousness, nor could it create a consciousness.

So let me get into Romance and Consciousness.

Mickiel;1372113 wrote: Well Romance is something that is impossible to evolve from an animal to a human, it had to be installed into humanity, as a unique gift for humanity, obvious proof of an installer. Romance has no evolution, it remains the same. It has no physical pressence within the human body, it is a unique, common mindset; or something set into the human charactheristic. Evolution cannot set things within the human consciousness, nor could it create a consciousness.

So let me get into Romance and Consciousness.


nope it is just proof humans evolved enough to think cognitively an made up words for the feelings they had in the act of courting and procreating. no divine creator here

I am always tickled by the scientist who try and locate romance in the brain; saying its neurological structure exist in the right hemisphere or the left. Trying to pin down Romance as a physiological event, rather than the gift of God that it is. When God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply, he created Romance then.

Mickiel;1372194 wrote: I am always tickled by the scientist you are? why would scientist do that? Maybe it is to make you laugh all the time because when you laugh you are not talking and they don't want to hear you talk anymore. Ha Adam and Eve didn't listen to god so the story goes if anything from that story I learned not to believe anything a God says so why would I believe anything a man says about god. I also learned from that story that the people that told those stories back then, and many of them who believe in them today are amazingly sexist, What to them is romance is more like a Dictatorship, you my friend also have that sexism speckled in you just by relating GOD to HE and not IT if there is a GOD that is what GOD is an IT not a (He, She, Us, Them, They, Thy, Thou, or Thee)

The desire to Love is a unique evidence of God; it didnot come from evolution. The way Love dominates so much of humanity is a unique sign of a great Love influence on our consciousness; another unique sign of God. The way Love has never died in humanity is a unique sign of something that never dies; another sign of the tampering of God.

Mickiel;1372214 wrote: The desire to Love is a unique evidence of God; it didnot come from evolution. The way Love dominates so much of humanity is a unique sign of a great Love influence on our consciousness; another unique sign of God. The way Love has never died in humanity is a unique sign of something that never dies; another sign of the tampering of God. Again Love is a idea conceptualized by Human's to describe natural feelings and emotions gone through while performing courting activities leading up to sex. This cognitive ability is developed through the humans evolution so yeah Love did come from evolution. I guess those scientist aren't doing a good enough job tickling you because instead of laughing you still spitting out irrational blabber.

The reason why God gave this world Jesus, was because of his Love. John 3:16;" For God so Loved this world that he gave his only begotten Son." Its a Love Thang! The most incredible Romance ever recorded in the Bible.

And we are the object of Gods affection.

Mickiel;1372222 wrote: The reason why God gave this world Jesus, was because of his Love. John 3:16;" For God so Loved this world that he gave his only begotten Son." Its a Love Thang! The most incredible Romance ever recorded in the Bible.

And we are the object of Gods affection.


Ha HA HA HA HA HA :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

it's a "love thang" now?

Now, I know your just comming up with this stuff with no regard for reason at all, but come on seriously?...........seriously?................................SERIOUSLY???

In Romance, belief is important; ever had someone tell you that they Love you, and you simply didnot believe them? So their Love is not valued, literally has no meaning. Many view Gods Love in this manner, they simply don't believe him. When people feel unloved, they willnot have confidence in the affections of their Lover , often paying attentions to outside sources that do not believe the Love either. Love, in these cases, is no longer a proof, but a pest! And the critic of Love is the pestering power that reduces Romance to meaningless terms.

And I want to go into that.

You ever had the nagging thought that you would like to be in Love? It pulls at your imagination and seems to becken you. Its very simular to the thought of wether there is a God or not. There is something in you that wants it; desires it to be. Thats how Romance begins, and is often the beginning of wisdom. But what is wise to you, may be ignorance to others; and from thus is born the critic of Love. Those who don't want Love and don't desire God to be true. Romance haters; God haters.

The desire for God to be real is the beginning of wisdom, and I want to show you some scripture on that.

Mickiel;1372365 wrote: You ever had the nagging thought that you would like to be in Love? .


It depends on you definition of love is it this, imposible fantatastical notion of someone being out there for you, or the collective cognitive accepted definition of the total emotions, feelings and actions that are involve in the human pro-creation processs?

A thing about the scripture is none of it is actually a revalation, therefore I have no reason to have to believe in any of it. You should read; Age of reason by Thomas Paine

In Prov. 9:10;" The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." A search for God being real is the beginning of Wisdom; as you consider if God is real, your actually beginning to understand God. Knowledge of God begins with wondering if he is real;

And All the knowledge of him that you receive from there, is being built on this simple beginning.

Again in 1 Corinth. 1:21;" For since in the wisdom of God " The world through its wisdom didnot come to know God." If you want to know that God is real, worldly wisdom is not the path to find that out. What does this mean? It means that you won't find out if God is real, by searching the minds of those who don't believe he is real. The world is full of passion that God is not real, and it lives on that passion; a celebration of self; A magnification of nature ; a santification of science--- worldly knowledge that cannot key in on the existense of God.

In your search for God being real, study the Life of Christ. You got to get into that if you are to understand that God is real. Colossians 2:3 In Whom ( Christ) are " Hidden" all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge ( knowledge of the mystery of God).

Because the question " Is God Real", is a difficult mystery; BUT- it can get clearer and clearer IF you consider the things of God in trying to get to know God. That being his word, the bible, and the things of the Spirit ( your own consciousness). And a time will come during your exposure to the things of God, that he will show you that ALL things can be proofs of him; and that will seriously open you up to the proofs of God.

Talk to God and ask him to prove himself to you; and you can Talk to Christ also, ask him the same thing. Depend on them for revelation, not the things of this world. All they are going to do anyway, is turn your consciousness around and show you what things of this world prove them.

I can read the bible my self thank you I don't need you to do it

Is God Real? Well thats a fruitful discussion, but many people have swayed away from fruitful discussion. 1Tim. 1:4;" Don't pay attention to myths and endless genealogies which give rise to mere speculation;" (rather than further your search for God being real.) Vs.6;" people have turned aside to fruitless discussion. They don't even know how to discuss if God is real, they'll just go off into all kinds of silliness in order to take away from the conversation.

little to anything is fruitful in this perception bias B.S you have posted here, call it what you want but a discussion it is not. Try as,you may to use reverse tactics to help, anyone who reads this thread can pretty much tell you have very little to discuss and just merely spam you perception biased speculation on the reality of god based on that your speculation on what others who speculated about got wrote down in the bible. Though your tactic is common theme among religiously perception biased people I have debated with though in FG that tactic holds little to no results as most members here are much more intuitive, and knowledgeable than the average person who follows the masses. I doubt since you already know what your going to say discussing this with yourself as you seem as your doing can't be too fruitful at all.

How would you know it something you see or experience is comming from God? Well look at Gal. 5:22-23; if it has Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness and Self Control constantly comming out of it, then its of God!

no it is just good kind or gentle there is no god needed and nothing ever has something constantly coming out of it, to speak of that Joy Peace Patience Kindness aren't coming out of anything they are words used to describe the acts of somebody doing something or the collective actions of that person(s) there is no god or unseen energy needed to interpret that person(s) actions as good, kind gentle, etc..,

In your search for God being real, you must want to believe that he is. In Heb. 11:6- " For he who comes to God must believe that he "is", and that he is a rewarder of those who seek him.

God " Is", meaning he exist. And he will reward your search for him being real.

Mickiel;1372816 wrote: In your search for God being real, you must want to believe that he is. In Heb. 11:6- " For he who comes to God must believe that he "is", and that he is a rewarder of those who seek him.

God " Is", meaning he exist. And he will reward your search for him being real.


I find no need to act as though I am being revealed something i must believe when I am not being revealed anything I am being told by you something you read a book that a certain group of people selectively put together out of a bunch of stories that a certain group wrote( not you or the group that put the book together) about what was said to them by a certain group of people ( not you, or the group of people that put the book together, nor is it the group that wrote the stories) said about what was revealed to them. The revelation of god to Abraham, Moses, or to Jesus stops there after that it is just a re-telling of what was revealed to those certain people during that revelation. Of which I nor does anyone else need to believe the information revealed to another person, nor do they need to believe the information that was revealed to a person told by a person who is telling you a story about what the original person who had the information revealed to them. Until the original information is revealed to you, you have every right to label it as thoroughly being full, 100%, grade a, B.S in all respects.