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Very interesting and thought provoking.

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I want to comment, but I don't know what to say..................

Bez wrote: Very interesting and thought provoking.


Its a nice ideology six, but in reality, thats not how the world works! Sorry to burst your bubble.

It is interesting Six, but if we didn't unite in some form or another, chaos would reign. I am sure Coberst would like to apply this to his political philosophy thread, and I wonder how the spin will be.................

Oh, that's so cute!:)

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Yes.

Very succinct.

I subscribe to this ideology of self ownership and responsibility.

I especially appreciate the last two thoughts of not asking others to accept my ideology. Tolerance is an evolution of acceptance for those things we might not understand, also by not speaking out against injustice we become apathetic.

Who is responsible for injustice;the govt. (any govt.,pick one) for initiating atrocities, or society for allowing it to happen ?



What Im more interested in 6, is what motivated you to present this and in what way do you feel responsible for the need to ask for forgiveness ?

sixyearsleft wrote:

http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf



Interesting but ......

What do you do about those who chose to repeatedly take life, property or liberty from others? If it is not valid for an individual or "the state" to take away their life or liberty what recource have you?

In a representative democracy, how do you prevent your elected representatives from initiating violence if they are determined to do so and do not mind losing their power at the next election? Many people were set against Tony Blair / George Bush going into Iraq but were powerless to prevent it.

There are many more such problems with your vid but I'd have to watch it and take notice to list them.

sorry but i clicked off half way through, found it boring & the music was doing my head in

jm2cw

Nomad wrote: by not speaking out against injustice we become apathetic.


See? (jives points at Nomad,) that's what I'VE been trying to tell everyone!



What Im more interested in 6, is what motivated you to present this and in what way do you feel responsible for the need to ask for forgiveness ?


Thank you...I would like to know too.

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I click on the link and get a blank screen. Could someone clue in a computer hopeless dufus here? Maybe copy the article? Thanks for any help....

sixyearsleft wrote: Have you ever heard of Democide?

Democide is a term created by political scientist R.J. Rummel in order to create a broader concept than the legal definition of genocide. Democide is defined as "The murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder"

In the last century 180 million ppl died due to democide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide



I dont claim to have all the answers, but i'm sick and tired of Governments taking actions on mine or your behalf without our concent, they tell us lies and are corupt to a level thats goes beyond any comprehension, and if ppl believe they live in a Democracy, my advice would be to investigate the Bush family for starters and find out for themselves what Democracy is, also keep your eye on the Corporations and the history of the CIA, look at The kennedy Assasination, the Waco massacre in texas, 9/11 ect, satisfy your own minds that what you have been told is the truth, examin the drugs problem, try and find out where it comes from, ask yourself why Africa as no infrastructure, look at the Evolution theory, look at ID, Creationism, Chrisianity, do not accept what you are told, dig deeper and satisfy your own mind, if you have any doubts, then search harder, stop worring about TV, Holidays, Aesthetics, Materialism, stop looking at material wealth as an achievment, (The biggest couse of suicide is debt)stop the industrys destroying our enviroment, make them pay a ppl tax, the Economy will be the reason if we do have a Pandemic, becouse it dictates how we controll are borders,

just stand back and look around, Technology may be evolving but Humans are not.







A couple of ppl made some good points, made me think about FG and the point of me coming here, I try to explain things in a way to start a prosess of thinking, i plant seeds in an attempt to go beyond a certain way of thinking, this again may sound a little bit crazy, but at the end of the day i've been guilty of Patronising,

I'm scared of being myself, i'm a Humanist and Spiritualist i believe in Karma, Human Ignorence is the bain of my life, but its hard for ppl to accept that ignorence is forced opon them at that they themselves are not ignorent, the well being of all is my ultimate goal especialy if i believe in Karma,






Theres a bigger picture out there 6 and its very easy to lose sight of it, or never find any truth at all. Truth is a personal choice in my opinion none of us actually know the truth. We can believe or have perpetual faith or maybe just hope. But when the day is done were all just trying to find something that we can live with. If one ideology doesnt suit you you can bend or twist it to your liking.

Those that tell you "I have the one and only answer" without prefacing the statement by "my belief is" are some of the most dangerous minds I think. Im getting sidetracked. I understand your thoughts on patronizing, I think theres an art to delivery that I wish I possessed. Well anyway in my opinion the bigger picture at hand goes well and far beyond such trivial things as borders and governments and Euro dollars or oil. Those are all immediate things. Things that keep us bogged down and start wars and teach our children to hate eachother assuring more wars for the next generation. My favorite saying is teach your children well.

Its essential to making some headway in our futile lives.

I dont claim to have the answers I struggle on a daily basis for some degree of truth, however I would ask you to consider one thing.

We live on Earth, a tiny blue planet suspended in an atmosphere surrounded by light years of other galaxies and matter and suns and the list is endless. We as humans have been offered a gift beyond our comprehension, beyond our understanding or capability to fathom what it is we are supposed to be doing with it. I dont mean this in an individual sense but rather collectively. We are such a mess :wah: We have our heads up our asses.



Weve done nothing to explore our inner potential collectively. Why ? I dunno. Theres no cash involved ???



We as a species are or at least should be obligated to preserve this gift weve been given. To honor life in all of its essence. I think the Tibetan monks are probably the closest of all to having an understanding of reverance. The rest of us give it lip service. In my opinion all of the catches and traps of daily life are meaningless if thats all that motivates you. Money, cars, houses power amongst your peers whatever. Im guilty as hell and stand side by side with the rest of them but once in awhile I have an inkling that Im onto something. I suspect you are too 6. But we all decide that for ourselves dont we ? So I think the most you can do is search, teach and be taught.

sixyearsleft wrote: Dont you think its a positive message to teach the young?

ask yourself, what kind of sciociety do we live in where ppl dont understand or respect self ownership?


I totally agree that the young should be taught to take responsibility for their actions and have respect for the rights of others.

sixyearsleft wrote: What kind of world do we live in where countries make war on false claims?


One in dire need of reform. Given that it was obvious before the event that Iraq were not a "clear and present danger" and was more than obvious after the Kelly case and the Hutton enquiry, I would say that Blair and Bush deserve their day at the Hague.

sixyearsleft wrote: How can i prevent an elected representative from initiating violence?

We are Powerless thats the whole point...

I posted this to explain that my intentions are good.

The message is a positive one, but you attack what is rightfully yours,


I do not see that I attacked you, I just did not agree that your answer was the full monty.

sixyearsleft wrote: the obvious answer to your questions is for all the ppl to march to the capitol and demand there liberty back,


Well it worked once but not in the sort of timescales needed to prevent the farce in Iraq.