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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:44 pm
What, if anything, does Anzac Day mean to you?
Take care,
Gordon.
Take care,
Gordon.
Is it supposed to?
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:45 pm
Not a dang thing!
Is it supposed to?
Is it supposed to?
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:53 pm
gordonartist wrote: What, if anything, does Anzac Day mean to you?
Take care,
Gordon.
The landings at Souvla Bay, Galipoli, in April 191?5?
The heroism and sacrifice of the ANZACs and the bloody mismanagemnet of the generals
Most hauntingly brought to life by Eric Bogle in his song "And the Band Played Waltzing Mathilda"
All to little to be honest.
Take care,
Gordon.
The landings at Souvla Bay, Galipoli, in April 191?5?
The heroism and sacrifice of the ANZACs and the bloody mismanagemnet of the generals
Most hauntingly brought to life by Eric Bogle in his song "And the Band Played Waltzing Mathilda"
All to little to be honest.
A question.
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:28 pm
The first thing that came into my mind when I opened the post was Clive James and the second was Peter Weir's film Gallipoli (which is fused, in my mind, with Bruce Beresford's 'Breaker' Morant, since they came out together and had overlapping themes). There's a passage in Clive James' first volume of autobiography in which he discusses the consequence of not coming back, a microcosm example (his father surviving World War Two having been taken prisoner at the fall of Singapore only to die on his journey home) of the never-ending ripples that follow for so many who survive the fallen.
But the central aspect of Anzac day has to be the total incompetent waste that Gallipoli involved. It should incense people until the end of time, more than any other campaign I can think of. Anyone who can stand at a cenotaph for the silence on Anzac day and not feel the push of tears behind their eyes needs to go back, read up, and remember.
But the central aspect of Anzac day has to be the total incompetent waste that Gallipoli involved. It should incense people until the end of time, more than any other campaign I can think of. Anyone who can stand at a cenotaph for the silence on Anzac day and not feel the push of tears behind their eyes needs to go back, read up, and remember.
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:50 pm
I thought I knew a fraction of most war/invasions in the world. I have never heard of this and don't understand. I guess I have to google it.
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:01 pm
nvalleyvee wrote: I thought I knew a fraction of most war/invasions in the world. I have never heard of this and don't understand. I guess I have to google it.I'll be interested in your observations once you've done that, coming to it fresh.
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:08 pm
gordonartist wrote: What, if anything, does Anzac Day mean to you?
Take care,
Gordon.
I think of it as a rememberance of when Aussie & Kiwi troops became Cannon Fodder for the British Army.
Take care,
Gordon.
I think of it as a rememberance of when Aussie & Kiwi troops became Cannon Fodder for the British Army.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:57 am
They were rats!!!
I have just watched a movie of the rats of Tobruk in Libya. What was most irritating was that most of the people in the film were British and America. There were no Americans in Tobruk and few English.
Gordon.
I have just watched a movie of the rats of Tobruk in Libya. What was most irritating was that most of the people in the film were British and America. There were no Americans in Tobruk and few English.
Gordon.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:41 am
With respect,
I believe Valerie owes the people of New Zealand and Australia an apology.
Gordon.
I believe Valerie owes the people of New Zealand and Australia an apology.
Gordon.
A question.
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:50 am
These subsets of the language that we each speak are so often capable of tripping us up. I had no doubt, when I saw the post, that Valerie indicated unawareness rather than disdain, and at least a sufficient interest to post to the message and ask whether she should look it up or watch our discussion.
As an aside, was that film called Tobruk, Gordon? Partly you might bear in mind that films made north of the equator rarely have Aussies available to play parts. That particular film focused on the Long Range Desert Group and was more influenced by the Seven Day War than World War Two. The far earlier one with Richard Burton might have satisfied you more.
As an aside, was that film called Tobruk, Gordon? Partly you might bear in mind that films made north of the equator rarely have Aussies available to play parts. That particular film focused on the Long Range Desert Group and was more influenced by the Seven Day War than World War Two. The far earlier one with Richard Burton might have satisfied you more.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:29 am
Yes Snoozecontrol,
Cinco de Mayo is widely celebrated by Mexican-Americans and their descendants in the United States. Many cities with significant Mexican and Chicano populations throughout the US schedule special events on the 5th May. Most notably, in Los Angeles, revelers fill the streets in front of City Hall for speeches and performances by Mexican entertainers on this day.
Although the celebration of this holiday has historically been limited Latin-American communities, particularly in the southwest, it has become increasingly popular across the country and among all ethnic groups in the last 10 years. In recent years, it has been celebrated widely and in a similar style as St. Patrick’s Dayâ€namely a celebration and identification with Mexicans, their culture, food, and music by Anglos and other unrelated ethnic groups. However, many Americans have only a cursory understanding of the significance of this day; it is often mistakenly assumed to be Mexico’s independence day, and in practice, is only seen as an excuse for drinking Margaritas and Mexican beer to excess.
A partial explanation to the rapidly growing popularity of this holiday may be due to the sometimes chilly relations between the US and France. Many Americans relish the fact that a small group of Mexican patriots was able to hold off and even defeat the larger and better equipped French forces.
At least I try to find out!
Take care.
Gordon.
Cinco de Mayo is widely celebrated by Mexican-Americans and their descendants in the United States. Many cities with significant Mexican and Chicano populations throughout the US schedule special events on the 5th May. Most notably, in Los Angeles, revelers fill the streets in front of City Hall for speeches and performances by Mexican entertainers on this day.
Although the celebration of this holiday has historically been limited Latin-American communities, particularly in the southwest, it has become increasingly popular across the country and among all ethnic groups in the last 10 years. In recent years, it has been celebrated widely and in a similar style as St. Patrick’s Dayâ€namely a celebration and identification with Mexicans, their culture, food, and music by Anglos and other unrelated ethnic groups. However, many Americans have only a cursory understanding of the significance of this day; it is often mistakenly assumed to be Mexico’s independence day, and in practice, is only seen as an excuse for drinking Margaritas and Mexican beer to excess.
A partial explanation to the rapidly growing popularity of this holiday may be due to the sometimes chilly relations between the US and France. Many Americans relish the fact that a small group of Mexican patriots was able to hold off and even defeat the larger and better equipped French forces.
At least I try to find out!
Take care.
Gordon.
A question.
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:32 am
I use to watch "RAT PATROL" I had a crush on a character named "LAD" .......... This you will find interesting and perhaps a little humorous:
The Rat Patrol
1 9 6 6 - 1 9 6 8 (USA)
The Rat Patrol was based on the exploits of the real-life British Long Range Desert Group and focused on three Americans and a Briton fighting the Afrika Korps in North Africa during World War II.
The Englishman was Sgt. Jack Moffitt , a demolitions expert, and the crew was commanded by Sgt. Sam Troy. Young Privates Mark Hitchcock and Tully Pettigrew completed the Rat Patrol, who whizzed around the desert making life miserable for the remarkably slow German tanks and their remarkably myopic gunners, who were the worst shots in that (or any) war, apparently.
The idea of a war series based in the desert must have sounded really nifty to ABC to begin with. But then they had to go shoot the thing and the hazards of doing that became apparent with the pilot itself. Working in Yuma, Arizona, in 118º temperatures, the production faced lost time when the jeeps broke down. Suddenly, shooting at the US Army's Camp Irwin in Barstow, California, seemed like a great idea, but the Army pulled out at the last second. Then shooting switched to AlmerÃa in Spain, where production units from The Great Escape and The Battle of the Bulge had left an assortment of tanks, military trucks, troop carriers, mortars and artillery pieces behind. It seemed like a sensible idea at the time . . .
For 17 weeks the cast and crew lived in a town which stank of fish and sewage and had no safe drinking water. Everyone got intestinal flu or dysentery, Christopher George lost 20 pounds, all the actors (and the director) hated the scripts, and Hans Gudegast, who played the role of German nemesis Hauptman Hans Dietrich (using his real name which he would later change to Eric Braeden) thought his role was a caricature.
And on and on it went . . .
Finding Spanish Army soldiers tall enough to play German soldiers was the next challenge.
Then three days of action footage was lost in transit, the crew were forced to work in a 70 MPH wind storm for seven days, Christopher George injured his knee jumping from a jeep, Lawrence Casey and Justin Tarr also banged themselves up on various moving vehicles, shooting was rained out for three days in a row, the second-unit director quit and the production manager developed a bleeding ulcer!
The show eventually debuted and was an instant hit, but fortunately for all involved, production moved back to the US, where at least the water was drinkable (although the injuries continued unfortunately - Fans may remember an episode where Moffitt holds off a whole squad of Germans while his leg is in a cast.
The cast was real, since he broke his ankle and George suffered a concussion when their jeep turned over during shooting.
TV Guide recommended The Rat Patrol only to those who wanted "fast action, plenty of plot, real he-man dialog, tough good guys and honest-to-badness bad guys . . . but don't care about nuances of characterization, changes of scenery, girls and other unimportant matters".
The Rat Patrol was shown in England briefly, but was pulled off the air as British viewers objected to an American leading the charge in that particular campaign (and felt It was the height of wishful thinking that two American jeeps with small guns mounted on them could defeat anything the Germans threw at
The Rat Patrol
1 9 6 6 - 1 9 6 8 (USA)
The Rat Patrol was based on the exploits of the real-life British Long Range Desert Group and focused on three Americans and a Briton fighting the Afrika Korps in North Africa during World War II.
The Englishman was Sgt. Jack Moffitt , a demolitions expert, and the crew was commanded by Sgt. Sam Troy. Young Privates Mark Hitchcock and Tully Pettigrew completed the Rat Patrol, who whizzed around the desert making life miserable for the remarkably slow German tanks and their remarkably myopic gunners, who were the worst shots in that (or any) war, apparently.
The idea of a war series based in the desert must have sounded really nifty to ABC to begin with. But then they had to go shoot the thing and the hazards of doing that became apparent with the pilot itself. Working in Yuma, Arizona, in 118º temperatures, the production faced lost time when the jeeps broke down. Suddenly, shooting at the US Army's Camp Irwin in Barstow, California, seemed like a great idea, but the Army pulled out at the last second. Then shooting switched to AlmerÃa in Spain, where production units from The Great Escape and The Battle of the Bulge had left an assortment of tanks, military trucks, troop carriers, mortars and artillery pieces behind. It seemed like a sensible idea at the time . . .
For 17 weeks the cast and crew lived in a town which stank of fish and sewage and had no safe drinking water. Everyone got intestinal flu or dysentery, Christopher George lost 20 pounds, all the actors (and the director) hated the scripts, and Hans Gudegast, who played the role of German nemesis Hauptman Hans Dietrich (using his real name which he would later change to Eric Braeden) thought his role was a caricature.
And on and on it went . . .
Finding Spanish Army soldiers tall enough to play German soldiers was the next challenge.
Then three days of action footage was lost in transit, the crew were forced to work in a 70 MPH wind storm for seven days, Christopher George injured his knee jumping from a jeep, Lawrence Casey and Justin Tarr also banged themselves up on various moving vehicles, shooting was rained out for three days in a row, the second-unit director quit and the production manager developed a bleeding ulcer!
The show eventually debuted and was an instant hit, but fortunately for all involved, production moved back to the US, where at least the water was drinkable (although the injuries continued unfortunately - Fans may remember an episode where Moffitt holds off a whole squad of Germans while his leg is in a cast.
The cast was real, since he broke his ankle and George suffered a concussion when their jeep turned over during shooting.
TV Guide recommended The Rat Patrol only to those who wanted "fast action, plenty of plot, real he-man dialog, tough good guys and honest-to-badness bad guys . . . but don't care about nuances of characterization, changes of scenery, girls and other unimportant matters".
The Rat Patrol was shown in England briefly, but was pulled off the air as British viewers objected to an American leading the charge in that particular campaign (and felt It was the height of wishful thinking that two American jeeps with small guns mounted on them could defeat anything the Germans threw at
A question.
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:46 am
SnoozeControl wrote: I'm not interested in your self censor, I don't particularly care to have you censor me.Censure, surely?
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:42 am
gordonartist wrote: With respect,
I believe Valerie owes the people of New Zealand and Australia an apology.
Gordon.
Then they shall have it. And YOU shall have it. I'm sincerely sorry.
Sorry my education has failed me. I could have perhaps worded it a
different way. Questioning what Anzac Day meant.
I am what I consider to be a very intelligent person but I have reached
that age where sometimes the thought process isn't as crystal clear as
it might otherwise be. For example, I had "Green Day" going through my
mind and then "Earth Day". All in an instant, and then I saw this was in
General Chit Chat so I truly didn't know what was going on.
I admit to knowing precious little about New Zealand or Australia
history. My bad.
Better? (I'm NOT trying to be sarcastic, I truly hope I've smoothed the
waters some...)
I believe Valerie owes the people of New Zealand and Australia an apology.
Gordon.
Then they shall have it. And YOU shall have it. I'm sincerely sorry.
Sorry my education has failed me. I could have perhaps worded it a
different way. Questioning what Anzac Day meant.
I am what I consider to be a very intelligent person but I have reached
that age where sometimes the thought process isn't as crystal clear as
it might otherwise be. For example, I had "Green Day" going through my
mind and then "Earth Day". All in an instant, and then I saw this was in
General Chit Chat so I truly didn't know what was going on.
I admit to knowing precious little about New Zealand or Australia
history. My bad.
Better? (I'm NOT trying to be sarcastic, I truly hope I've smoothed the
waters some...)
A question.
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:07 am
A question.
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:10 am
Valerie wrote: Then they shall have it. And YOU shall have it. I'm sincerely sorry.
Sorry my education has failed me. I could have perhaps worded it a
different way. Questioning what Anzac Day meant.
I am what I consider to be a very intelligent person but I have reached
that age where sometimes the thought process isn't as crystal clear as
it might otherwise be. For example, I had "Green Day" going through my
mind and then "Earth Day". All in an instant, and then I saw this was in
General Chit Chat so I truly didn't know what was going on.
I admit to knowing precious little about New Zealand or Australia
history. My bad.
Better? (I'm NOT trying to be sarcastic, I truly hope I've smoothed the
waters some...)
In the article I posted above, the Brits and the Americans don't seem to have it right.
Did you use to watch "Rat Patrol" Valerie?
Sorry my education has failed me. I could have perhaps worded it a
different way. Questioning what Anzac Day meant.
I am what I consider to be a very intelligent person but I have reached
that age where sometimes the thought process isn't as crystal clear as
it might otherwise be. For example, I had "Green Day" going through my
mind and then "Earth Day". All in an instant, and then I saw this was in
General Chit Chat so I truly didn't know what was going on.
I admit to knowing precious little about New Zealand or Australia
history. My bad.
Better? (I'm NOT trying to be sarcastic, I truly hope I've smoothed the
waters some...)
In the article I posted above, the Brits and the Americans don't seem to have it right.
Did you use to watch "Rat Patrol" Valerie?
A question.
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:49 am
Maxi_Uno wrote: In the article I posted above, the Brits and the Americans don't seem to have it right.
Did you use to watch "Rat Patrol" Valerie?
No, I'm sorry... I would have been about 14 when it came on and had
early bedtimes... I'm guessing it came on 9/10 o'clock at night? The name
DOES ring a bell, however. But in those pre-vcr pre-Tivo times, I
wouldn't have been able to see it.
I see I can get it on DVD, (see I do know how to Google
) maybe
I'll get it at some point, if you think it would be worth it!
:-6
Did you use to watch "Rat Patrol" Valerie?
No, I'm sorry... I would have been about 14 when it came on and had
early bedtimes... I'm guessing it came on 9/10 o'clock at night? The name
DOES ring a bell, however. But in those pre-vcr pre-Tivo times, I
wouldn't have been able to see it.
I see I can get it on DVD, (see I do know how to Google
) maybeI'll get it at some point, if you think it would be worth it!
:-6
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:30 am
SnoozeControl wrote: Remember Sea Hunt with Lloyd Bridges?
Yes, I do!!
How about Sky King?
Yes, I do!!
How about Sky King?