Spreadsheet games
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:03 am
I'll assume other people idly play games with their spreadsheet package of choice. I thought perhaps a thread of them might be entertaining.
This one's about the value of seawater. Assuming you can get the content into separate piles, that is.
Just as a clue, people are looking at millions of different species of tiny sea-plants and sea-animals (there's not much practical difference when they're microscopic) and seeing which have a tendency to accumulate different (or any!) metals out of what they swim in. The best candidates get bred in bulk, zapped with x-rays to mutate them, re-tested at their skill, the worst thrown away, the most improved bred in bulk again, and the cycle perfomed until a superbreed emerges that's good at concentrating a single element. It's been done successfully with bacteria and plants to decontaminate heavy metal contamination of landfill and mining sites on land. Seawater's next.
Why's seawater more difficult? Getting the tailored tiny sea-plants and sea-animals back, or chaining them somewhere so they can be harvested. They tend to be hard to get hold of once they're out swimming.
Anyway - some numbers.
A litre of water, that's a kilogram, that's 10x10x10 cm. I know you'd rather do this in pints and gallons but no, trust me, litres is simpler.
A ton is about a tonne, a thousand kilograms, and it's a cube of water a metre on each side. A cubic kilometer is a billion tonnes and that's my assumed unit of seawater to process.
So, I went and got a webpage with mineral concentrations as a basis. That let me work out the weight of each element in a tonne of seawater.
It's interesting - what's there mostly is what's most soluble, which are the elements with only one spare electron present or missing. Lots of halides (Group 7), lots of alkalis (Group 1). A tonne of seawater is mostly water with about 34 kilograms of salt in it, Sodium Chloride.
So I sorted the elements into their weight present per thousand tonnes of water and banged in a column of bulk prices for each of those that were present at over a gram, multiplied the columns into value per cubic kilometer and stared for a while. Here's what I found.
Rubidium and Strontium are surprisingly expensive if you want to buy any, because there's not really many ores to mine - they're so soluble. There's also a lot of each in a cubic kilometer of seawater - 120 and 7800 tonnes each. Obviously if seawater extraction became practical they'd be less valuable, but right now they're worth respectively 9.6 and 1.4 billion dollars.
The salt and the freshwater themselves, once separated, are worth 680 and 800 million dollars at bulk prices.
Anything else valuable? Not a lot. $58,000 worth of Vanadium, $60,000 worth of Molybdenum and $322,000 worth of Uranium.
A quick double-take on that last number - that's 3 tonnes of Uranium.
I don't think anyone expects these tiny sea-plants and sea-animals to separate U-235 from U-238 so nothing instantly reactor-grade is on the cards, but it's still raw material for the next round of reactors. Current world production is around 40,000 tonnes a year.
The total value of a cubic kilometer of seawater, if everything's purified?
$1,250 billion, less whatever you lose by adding the new process to the marketplace.
Who's in for starting the ForumGarden Chemicals Corp?
Attached files sea1.zip (9.5 KB)
This one's about the value of seawater. Assuming you can get the content into separate piles, that is.
Just as a clue, people are looking at millions of different species of tiny sea-plants and sea-animals (there's not much practical difference when they're microscopic) and seeing which have a tendency to accumulate different (or any!) metals out of what they swim in. The best candidates get bred in bulk, zapped with x-rays to mutate them, re-tested at their skill, the worst thrown away, the most improved bred in bulk again, and the cycle perfomed until a superbreed emerges that's good at concentrating a single element. It's been done successfully with bacteria and plants to decontaminate heavy metal contamination of landfill and mining sites on land. Seawater's next.
Why's seawater more difficult? Getting the tailored tiny sea-plants and sea-animals back, or chaining them somewhere so they can be harvested. They tend to be hard to get hold of once they're out swimming.
Anyway - some numbers.
A litre of water, that's a kilogram, that's 10x10x10 cm. I know you'd rather do this in pints and gallons but no, trust me, litres is simpler.
A ton is about a tonne, a thousand kilograms, and it's a cube of water a metre on each side. A cubic kilometer is a billion tonnes and that's my assumed unit of seawater to process.
So, I went and got a webpage with mineral concentrations as a basis. That let me work out the weight of each element in a tonne of seawater.
It's interesting - what's there mostly is what's most soluble, which are the elements with only one spare electron present or missing. Lots of halides (Group 7), lots of alkalis (Group 1). A tonne of seawater is mostly water with about 34 kilograms of salt in it, Sodium Chloride.
So I sorted the elements into their weight present per thousand tonnes of water and banged in a column of bulk prices for each of those that were present at over a gram, multiplied the columns into value per cubic kilometer and stared for a while. Here's what I found.
Rubidium and Strontium are surprisingly expensive if you want to buy any, because there's not really many ores to mine - they're so soluble. There's also a lot of each in a cubic kilometer of seawater - 120 and 7800 tonnes each. Obviously if seawater extraction became practical they'd be less valuable, but right now they're worth respectively 9.6 and 1.4 billion dollars.
The salt and the freshwater themselves, once separated, are worth 680 and 800 million dollars at bulk prices.
Anything else valuable? Not a lot. $58,000 worth of Vanadium, $60,000 worth of Molybdenum and $322,000 worth of Uranium.
A quick double-take on that last number - that's 3 tonnes of Uranium.
I don't think anyone expects these tiny sea-plants and sea-animals to separate U-235 from U-238 so nothing instantly reactor-grade is on the cards, but it's still raw material for the next round of reactors. Current world production is around 40,000 tonnes a year.
The total value of a cubic kilometer of seawater, if everything's purified?
$1,250 billion, less whatever you lose by adding the new process to the marketplace.
Who's in for starting the ForumGarden Chemicals Corp?
Attached files sea1.zip (9.5 KB)