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That's obscene.

There was no reason those cops couldn't have cuffed him and carried him out the door. Worried about him being armed? Did you see them handling him in between tases? That was arrogance and bullying. I hope those jerks lose their jobs.

He screamed at the police "Don't touch me!" before being tased. Is it any wonder the police viewed him as aggressive and potentially violent? After the first tase, they repeatedly told him to stand up and warned him they would tase him again if he didn't. His response, "F--- off." He was begging for it. How stupid do people have to be. When police tell you to do something, do it. You can give your side of the story, but do as you are told. This student was a moron. I hope that jerk loses his library card. :wah:

1. we would be subject to IA investigation if we tased or sprayed someone already restrained in cuffs...if they kick we can hobble them......2. that woman deserved what she got...all she had to do was show her license as requested. assault a cop, you're going down. a taser is better than a bullet. note...go see Val's thread with the videos of cops being attacked.

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Novelty;462659 wrote: Maybe he was a jerk, you think that's a good enough excuse to give someone an electric shock do you? they could have put him on the floor then handcuffed him,

i hope you never act like jerk...


I think it is good enough reason for the police to do what they need to do - not just anybody. Yes, I've been a jerk- - but not to a cop. I'm not a police officer. What seems reasonable to me as I sit in my nice comfy chair in front of the computer may not be how the police see it in the heat of the moment. I can watch videos like this with 20/20 hindsight without wondering if someone is going to attack me or shoot me. The police don't have that luxury. They simply want to do their jobs and go home to their families. Abusive jerks like this make their jobs difficult. Do police sometimes go further than necessary? Undoubtedly. Still, I tend to think how easy it would have been for this student to simply comply with their directions. The library is open every day, he could have come back to straighten out the issue of a lost card. His aggression put everyone in the library at risk.

Adam Zapple;462686 wrote: I can watch videos like this with 20/20 hindsight without wondering if someone is going to attack me or shoot me.


I have not viddied this - before I do, what does the protagonist look like? What

is he wearing? Are the cops and the someone alone? How was it filmed? Do

the P's actions look as though he is intending to attack with force> *Is he

carrying a table leg"?

i'm glad you were open to seeing both sides of the coin. i've known brutal gung-ho cops, and they always get weeded out at some point. i believe in using verbal judo and humor, it's always worked for me, never needed the macho crap some of the guys do. but will i fight to the death if someone goes for my gun? oh HELL yes! i nearly ripped one guy's balls off in a ground fight. it was deadly serious.

The woman was being a jerk. She did NOT warrant a taser. One male cop could have taken her out of the vehicle, cuffed her and proceeded. Two male cops stungunning a woman and stunning her again as she lies on the ground after saying she CAN'T move, is unacceptable. The punishment did NOT fit the crime.



It seems to me a procifient cop would know how to handle a situation like that properly. This was completely improper. Mouthing off does NOT warrant physical abuse.

mouthing off does NOT warrant 'abuse'. but striking an officer....all bets are off. who knows whether she had a weapon in the glove box? all i can say is females are just as violent as males. and traffic stops are almost as dangerous as domestic violence calls. ...she knew her license was suspended...and people will do really stupid things to avoid going to jail.

Boy that is hard to watch and listen to you can actually hear the tazer. I don't know what to think as always there are two side to every story, does seem a bit excessive though.

Unfit Person + Badge + Weapon = Unfit cop on a power trip.

I don't know, Di. I think a pair of eyes and common sense is about all the inquiry I'd need for this.

Just goes to show how people will blow things out of proportion. The lady told someone on the phone that the officer had a gun and was going to shoot her. That leads most people to think bullet. Whomever she was talking to probably freaked out and thought she was shot.

In both cases both people deserved just what they got. IMO. Any respect for law enforcement that has been lost is because of people like these. Why didn't the man in the library try to settle it with the library staff before the police were called? Was he charged with inciting a riot? Things could have gotton a lot worse than it did. Do what you're told and everything will be all right. She may even have been let off with a warning. Very few officers will arrest you for a suspended/revoked or no drivers license.

We had an officer killed here recently for making a traffic stop. He got to the window and the driver immediately shot him. When the officer fell he shot him three more times. Thank God the officer had a camera in his car. The guy was found in Georgia and brought back. He shot him because he had a warrant for his arrest for drugs. Good side of this story is that our community has pulled together and donated enough money for nearly every police car to get a dash cam.

Red, you make it sound so easy for the officer to subdue a woman.

One male cop could have taken her out of the vehicle, cuffed her and proceeded. Ever seen a truely pi**ed off person not want to be arrested? Tasers keep the suspect from hurting the officer or going for their gun as LC said.

Law enforcement officers, on the whole, are not the bad guys. Remember that when you need them next time.

911;463295 wrote: Red, you make it sound so easy for the officer to subdue a woman.

Ever seen a truely pi**ed off person not want to be arrested? Tasers keep the suspect from hurting the officer or going for their gun as LC said.



Law enforcement officers, on the whole, are not the bad guys. Remember that when you need them next time.


911, here's where I'm coming from. I'm one of those people who still thinks a woman (genreally speaking, there are exceptions) is not as strong as a man. I do not like to see two men handling a woman. Once they got her out of the truck after tasing her, she appeared to be weak from it and once she was on the ground, there was no need to continue to shoot her with that taser. That was unnecessary in my view. I agree the woman was mouthing off. I agree the guy in the library was mouthing off. I agree that's rude and uncalled for. I do not agree that a taser is the way to handle it. I would have preferred to see them strongarm the guy to the ground. There is *always* the risk of a gun, that's nothing new. That's a risk of the job. I'm not saying that these tasers have no function at all in the right circumstance with the right problem person but I think what I saw in these two videos was unnecessary use of one.



So that's my opinion on what I saw.



Also 911, that last comment was a little harsh. When did I say the police were the bad guys? I didn't. There are a lot of bad officers in existence, some are mouthy arrogant jerks, some use excessive force when not needed, some are even pervs. That can't be denied. But most are not. I'm sure you didn't mean to put words in my mouth, I just wanted to clear that up. Thanks!

RedGlitter;463318 wrote: 911, here's where I'm coming from. I'm one of those people who still thinks a woman (genreally speaking, there are exceptions) is not as strong as a man. I do not like to see two men handling a woman. Once they got her out of the truck after tasing her, she appeared to be weak from it and once she was on the ground, there was no need to continue to shoot her with that taser. That was unnecessary in my view. I agree the woman was mouthing off. I agree the guy in the library was mouthing off. I agree that's rude and uncalled for. I do not agree that a taser is the way to handle it. I would have preferred to see them strongarm the guy to the ground. There is *always* the risk of a gun, that's nothing new. That's a risk of the job. I'm not saying that these tasers have no function at all in the right circumstance with the right problem person but I think what I saw in these two videos was unnecessary use of one.



So that's my opinion on what I saw.



Also 911, that last comment was a little harsh. When did I say the police were the bad guys? I didn't. There are a lot of bad officers in existence, some are mouthy arrogant jerks, some use excessive force when not needed, some are even pervs. That can't be denied. But most are not. I'm sure you didn't mean to put words in my mouth, I just wanted to clear that up. Thanks!

No, you're right. I did not mean that for you. I apologize, I should have skipped down a few extra lines. Now that I re-read it, it does sound like I meant it for you. But it wasn't.

Unfortunately, these days, no one wants to be a policeman when they grow up, so we don't have the good stock we used to to choose from. And even through the training and OJT a few 'ignert' ones still get through the cracks. It's no different than anywhere else.

I would rather someone get tased than hit with a billy club, shot or sprayed with mase.

RedGlitter;462734 wrote: The woman was being a jerk. She did NOT warrant a taser. One male cop could have taken her out of the vehicle, cuffed her and proceeded. Two male cops stungunning a woman and stunning her again as she lies on the ground after saying she CAN'T move, is unacceptable. The punishment did NOT fit the crime.



It seems to me a procifient cop would know how to handle a situation like that properly. This was completely improper. Mouthing off does NOT warrant physical abuse.


Ever see a woman who is a meth addict and high on it? She could have taken HIM out no problem. And the gun thing LC said.

The more I read about the UCLA library incident, the more I am convinced this was a premeditated protest by the student. Imagine, you are an ethnic minority who harbors resentment toward the American government or whatever boogey man you have in your head. You know that ID's are checked at the library nightly and routinely and you also know that camera phones and camcorders are everywhere now. So when you are asked for your ID you refuse to produce it. When you are asked to leave the premises you become verbally abusive and resist any attempts to be escorted out. The louder you scream the bigger the crowd to witness your abuse at the hands of the authorities. You become so aggressive you know they have no choice but to physically manhandle you or mace you or tase you. Either way, you know you have a claim of police brutality because of your ethnicity - you don't see them tasing any whiteys do you? The authorities are damned if they don't and damned if they do. Then you snivel and whine and collect sympathy from all the guilty bleeding hearts out there (and of course hire a lawyer to play Deal or No Deal with the state education treasury). Unfortunately, the rule of law crumbles just a little bit more.

911;463344 wrote:



No, you're right. I did not mean that for you. I apologize, I should have skipped down a few extra lines. Now that I re-read it, it does sound like I meant it for you. But it wasn't.






Thanks 911, but no problem! I had just wanted to clarify that I don't think cops are bad guys in general. No apology needed.



Re: a meth addict, that would be a different case. That situation, if someone were out of control and considerably strong or forceful then I could see the place a taser could come in useful. I was objecting to when someone isn't putting up a physical fight and they get tased or when they're saying stupid stuff and what I think is undue physical violence is used. That's all.