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I spoke with a friend here and he directed me to this forum for my topic. Hope it's right.

(for our non American friends, a Bum is a homeless person)

Some idiot with his video camera goes around instigating fist fights between "Bums" who he collects, gets drunk, and then video's them knocking the crap out of eachother. These videos are bloody and horrifying to watch. And I might add, Very sad.

From this stupid idea, comes even more horrifying problems. Teens with baseball bats killing defenseless and often times sleeping homeless ppl.

Now my thought is this. The teens who do these crimes often admit that they played violent video games growing up. The ones where you score points for killing ppl. So, I'm thinking that the idiot who started with the "Bum Fights", has only fanned the flames of these kids who grew up playing the violent video games, which made them become desensitized.

I'm beginning to think that kids are SO desensitized that they think it's okay to go out and beat to death a helpless person. I'm putting violent video games and no morals taught at home together and coming up with a dumbass who thinks it's funny to pay homeless ppl to beat the snot out of eachother.

Where does it stop? Where does it start? Thoughts?

I saw this video beating the homeless - sicken me.

The world has become so violent - and everything is justified - ok

Thats why the ones who strangled my 27 year old nephew to death were justified, must of been a video - cause there was no other way to detain him.??

Why can't people be left alone ? - I was at a Walmart the other day, I felt threatened - intimidated, I couldn't leave fast enough.

Most the the video games are violent - Lassie / Little House on the Prairie - those days are gone.

Patsy

Do you think the violent video games are desensitizing kids and that's why they act out? I do. And the multi-million dollar business just keeps rolling them out. WHY? And WHY do parents allow their kids to have them?

Rain;484475 wrote: I spoke with a friend here and he directed me to this forum for my topic. Hope it's right.



(for our non American friends, a Bum is a homeless person)



Some idiot with his video camera goes around instigating fist fights between "Bums" who he collects, gets drunk, and then video's them knocking the crap out of each other. These videos are bloody and horrifying to watch. And I might add, Very sad.



From this stupid idea, comes even more horrifying problems. Teens with baseball bats killing defenseless and often times sleeping homeless ppl.



Now my thought is this. The teens who do these crimes often admit that they played violent video games growing up. The ones where you score points for killing ppl. So, I'm thinking that the idiot who started with the "Bum Fights", has only fanned the flames of these kids who grew up playing the violent video games, which made them become desensitized.



I'm beginning to think that kids are SO desensitized that they think it's okay to go out and beat to death a helpless person. I'm putting violent video games and no morals taught at home together and coming up with a dumbass who thinks it's funny to pay homeless ppl to beat the snot out of eachother.



Where does it stop? Where does it start? Thoughts?


The guy who films the fights is a complete a-hole! He's only out to make a buck.





As for the teens/video games... I am one of those teens that played violent video games. But thats all they were to me. GAMES! I'll admit i have become somewhat desensitized to violent images. It doesn't mean that i go out beating random strangers to death.



You're 100% right about there being no morals taught at those kids homes.

I was fortunate enough to have been raised by loving parents who taught me the difference between wrong and right. these kids weren't.



It stops when people who shouldnt have kids, stop having kids.



It starts when those people have kids and let them run wild.

It all starts at home, IMHO.

This opinion will make me very popular I know, but I am a Mom, and I really have to say, I am disgusted by this. What the hell are these kids PARENTS thinking??? If I ever found my son doing anything remotely like this, I would tan his ass into the next zip code for him. He's 6'2" at 17 and has developed what I believe to be an entirely JUSTIFIED fear of me. Yes, this view makes me really unpopular, and I don't really give a tiny rats ass. You don't like it? Don't become a parent.

BabyRider;484489 wrote: This opinion will make me very popular I know, but I am a Mom, and I really have to say, I am disgusted by this. What the hell are these kids PARENTS thinking??? If I ever found my son doing anything remotely like this, I would tan his ass into the next zip code for him. He's 6'2" at 17 and has developed what I believe to be an entirely JUSTIFIED fear of me. Yes, this view makes me really unpopular, and I don't really give a tiny rats ass. You don't like it? Don't become a parent.


I'm with you, all the way!!

Fibo, thanx for that. I appreciate your view as one who has played these games. I'm so glad your parents cared. Do you think this idiot who does the Bum Fighting videos fed some fires for these neglected kids?

Woppy, ITA!

BR, you're a GREAT mother! I applaud you. :yh_clap

He threw gas on the fires! Those kids dont have anyone telling them "no, that's wrong!" It just gives them something else to imitate.

BabyRider

I'm very proud of you - I'm sure you have a look (body Language) that your son knows his ass is yours.

Some parents think TV is a baby sitter - so is a video - parents don't care, or don't have the interest to invest time with their kids.

Patsy

Rain;484485 wrote: . WHY? And WHY do parents allow their kids to have them?
Rain, if you ever get this question answered, would you zip a copy off to me, please? :-5 :-5 :-5 :-5

A video game title that my Son will never own: "Gand Theft Auto."

Alot of times the kid buys the game themselves. Stores dont ask for ID. I purchased many of the games i played.

Fibonacci;484507 wrote: Alot of times the kid buys the game themselves. Stores dont ask for ID. I purchased many of the games i played.
Teenagers HATE me. I know how to do the math to figure out birthdays.:-2

(Evil chortle):sneaky:

They said the same about the old Bugs Bunny cartoons and pro wrestling. It's not the games, it's the parents. Parents should be held responsible, accountable, and liable for anything their children do until the children are adults. If parents knew they might be punished for their kids' running wild, I think you'd see fewer of these attacks.

Rain, I don't know. I tend to think all of society has become desentitized. not just kids. I'm sure some of the kids are triggered by violent video games, can't say no exactly, but I do think that if it's in you, something will bring it out. How do we explain the kids who grew up playing Mortal Kombat and didn't hurt anyone?

RedGlitter;484627 wrote: Rain, I don't know. I tend to think all of society has become desentitized. not just kids. I'm sure some of the kids are triggered by violent video games, can't say no exactly, but I do think that if it's in you, something will bring it out. How do we explain the kids who grew up playing Mortal Kombat and didn't hurt anyone?


Good Parents.

Red Glitter said, ...but I do think that if it's in you, something will bring it out.


Yes. Like the idiot who started videoing the homeless fighting. This showed the kids in question that it's ok.

Accountable said, If parents knew they might be punished for their kids' running wild, I think you'd see fewer of these attacks.


ITA. But because both parents (or the 1 in the family) have to work like crazy to pay the bills and feed the clan, they sit the kids down with the TV as babysitter and shove toys at them, including video games, and ignore them. WHY even have kids??

Patsy said, ...parents don't care, or don't have the interest to invest time with their kids.


Sad. But very true.

So, what's the answer? Accountable mentioned fining the parents. I like that idea. I also like the idea of not marketing violent video games in the 1st place. Banning them from point 1, the idea! And that includes Bum Fights AND Jackass! Sure, this might be funny, but then again you have, desensitizing + idiocy = child breakdown. Where they think that there are no rules in life. And these are the kids that will be running the world when we're old and moldy in our wheelchairs!

BabyRider;484489 wrote: This opinion will make me very popular I know, but I am a Mom, and I really have to say, I am disgusted by this. What the hell are these kids PARENTS thinking??? If I ever found my son doing anything remotely like this, I would tan his ass into the next zip code for him. He's 6'2" at 17 and has developed what I believe to be an entirely JUSTIFIED fear of me. Yes, this view makes me really unpopular, and I don't really give a tiny rats ass. You don't like it? Don't become a parent.


:yh_clap

Its hard to believe that playing violent games could lead to people setting up homless people to be hurt for fun!! but i do believe it....... i know people who have children as young as four and allowing them to play games for adults aged18 plus and with such strong images at this age must distort what is right and what is wrong i am saddened to think where are the PARENTS????

Good Grief!!

Playing a game makes you want to kill people?

Let's see. . . .ah . . . Little Red Riding Hood---how many of you thought you could cut open a wolf and out would pop Granny and the little Hood?

Hansel and Gretel---how many of you stopped playing in the woods after hearing that story?

Three Little Pigs---how many thought a pig could build a house and a wolf could blow it down?

Stupid parents make for stupid kids. No spankings lead to uncontollable children. How many of you have ever been in a store and watched a kid in 'time out"? Oh, that's right, that only happens at home. :-5

Give me a break. A parent has to love their children in order for them to be lovable adults. :-5

What a load of houie.

Seems like several years ago - there was a movie about a football team and one night these players were out playing around - laying in the middle of the road and such.

Shortly after the movie came out, some "real" kids tried this stunt and one of the boys was killed. The press, of course, was all about blaming the movie.

For goodness sake - my 8 year old knows that things that you do on a video game are make believe - just like what you see in a movie. Shooting people in a video game does not equal shooting someone on the street.

If people would stop letting their children get their morals from outside sources then they could stop blaming everyone EXCEPT the people that are really responsible.

LilacDragon;535456 wrote: What a load of houie.

Seems like several years ago - there was a movie about a football team and one night these players were out playing around - laying in the middle of the road and such.

Shortly after the movie came out, some "real" kids tried this stunt and one of the boys was killed. The press, of course, was all about blaming the movie.

For goodness sake - my 8 year old knows that things that you do on a video game are make believe - just like what you see in a movie. Shooting people in a video game does not equal shooting someone on the street.

If people would stop letting their children get their morals from outside sources then they could stop blaming everyone EXCEPT the people that are really responsible.


the movie was "The Program" with james Caan.

and yes, college kids actually went out and did that. and died. you can't go to the movie store and find that version anymore, not even a director's cut. have to find an underground, boot-leg edition online.

Part of the problem is there are parents out there who believe their kid does nothing wrong, and don't want to hear it from the school, paid caregivers or anyone that their child might have a behavior problem. I agree parents should be held accountable for crimes their kids commit, especially since the parents didn't hold their kids accountable when they misbehaved.