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Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:32 am
by retepsnikrep
Each generation has a difference to those that precede it and those that follow it. Until the middle of the twentieth century these changes were not great, but the differences between the generation that produced us, and ourselves, are greater than ever before.

From the middle ages to the twentieth century the population, or virtually all of them, were nearly always as poor as church mice and struggled their lives away. Their lives were shorter than ours, spent in a constant struggle against poverty. At least three quarters of the population were ground down in this way, so this proportion is likely to include our parents, it certainly included mine. But it changed during their lifetime and they couldn’t adjust to it.

Until the thirties, forties and fifties, our parents were either in a tied house owned by a Lord or a farmer and one sloppy touching of the forelock and they were out. Or if they were lucky, they rented a poor little terraced house, or two rooms, or a room, or part of a room. The rent collector would want his pence and shillings every Friday or the sticks of furniture were on the pavement in no time.

Poor buggers, that’s what they were, and this scraping and subservient life affected generations before us for centuries.

We are the generation of change. We don’t see much furniture on the pavement these days. We are the generation who can just remember the war, or if not, we can remember the ‘Six Five Special’, Buddy Holly and records that broke easily. If you start off with remembering Abba you are too late, you are not the generation of change, it had already happened.

How does the previous generation, our parents, differ from ours? With no disrespect they were inculcated with two shortcomings.

First, they were secretive. They did not want neighbours to know what they had got. Because they hadn’t got hardly anything. No two plates matched. There was just about a knife for everybody, and you could get the one with the thin springy discoloured blade, and the shrunken handle exposing an inch of the tang. So no one was invited into your house, none of our playmates could come in. We might skulk about outside covered in snow, or soaking wet, with hot-ache, but we couldn’t bring a friend in. They would go home and we would go home. Under no circumstances were we invited into the homes of my regular friends, who lived in the same circumstances as us. Their mother would come to the door, bar it, and hustle my pal in, barring my passage. ‘He’s got to have his tea.’ ‘a wash.’ ‘going to see his granny.’ Etc.

I did know two rich boys, one a farmers son. I went in there and there was a model railway filling the capacious loft of the farmhouse. The other was a townie, lived in huge flat with ceilings out of sight, all biscuits and meccano. So the well off didn’t mind a visit.

But the poor, like my family, due to pride, were ashamed of their way of life. The worn out uncut moquette sagging sofa, peg rugs and thin curtains on a wire.

In this large majority of the population there were generally skeletons in the cupboard. In the ‘old days’ there were often Uncles and Aunts whose antecedents would not bear close scrutiny. No fault, no one would blame, but before it was a positive advantage to be a single parent, widows needed a partner for sheer survival. It is a rule that these things always remained deadly secret. When we reach maturity we put two and two together and realise that Grandpa could not have fathered Uncle John or Auntie Beryl. But the taboo is very powerful, it can not be mentioned and the secret goes to the grave. It must be a strain to keep a secret so long but secretiveness was engendered in our prior generations. They would not talk about money either, I don’t know why. You would never know how much your parents earned, or how much any purchases, rare as they were, cost. Money was handled surreptitiously or as if it was radio-active. It was not in evidence at home either. There were no small change pots or wallets on the sideboard. I didn’t know what paper money looked like when I was young.

Which leads to the second characteristic of our previous generation.

Careful with money, tight, mean, economical. Call it what you will. The previous generation have not kept up with inflation, even if they became relatively well off, as many did. They regard everything as expensive, whatever the cost. Everybody got better off after Bill Haley and the Comets, but our parents couldn’t handle it very well, having spent years watching every halfpenny. Old habits die hard, in the case of our previous generation, they haven’t died at all. Many a parent, having bought their council house, then inflation reduced their mortgage to very little, have suddenly got money. There is no longer any need to cut bananas in half or buy old cakes. They just can’t spend, or give. No fault, can’t help it. You see despite everything being relatively cheaper than it ever was in their formative years, the price tag is six times what it was when they were shopping twenty years ago which is horrific to them. In the old days there was the rent to pay and shillings to put aside for the gas and electricity, and the insurance, for which a man called every Friday. Never mind a car and a phone, times were hard. Now they say ‘Everything is so dear.’ But actually everything now is relatively so cheap. The mantra in the old days was saving. Security for the future, for a rainy day. Poor devils couldn’t save much, if anything, but it was their aim, and their parents before them. Now old and much better off, the instinct is as powerful as ever. Needless economies are still practised, a deal of money is saved by our parents, giving them much satisfaction. It is never enough for them though.

Now we buy houses when we are young and climb the property ladder. We have all the furniture and appliances when we are married. We don’t save much, we spend instead. We spend money we haven’t even got, anathema to the previous generation. What a change has taken place in one generation.

Will there be such a dramatic change between us and the new generation? No. Definitely not, we’ve done it and soon everyone will be illegitimate, so no stigma there. We can use the skeleton cupboard for something else.

Circumstances made these characteristics which I have described, which affected our parents. We will no doubt create our own doubtful traits which I leave to the next generation to write about.

Peter :lips:


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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:43 am
by Marie5656
Some interesting food for thought, Peter. Interesting to speculate on what each genration passes on to the next, so far as a legacy and culture.

It seems of late things are thinning out a bit as far as what "new" things we can create for our future generations. I stop short of saying that there is little more to discover or create...but in fact, are we rasing a generation of people who simply expect changes to happen, and not work to help create the changes.

We have become quite the material society...we need our "stuff" in order to feel superior to those who may not have as much stuff....or those whos stuff kis not quite up to par with ours.

I hope we all remember that we are still responsible for what our future generations take with them, and what is left behind.

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:53 am
by Bez
Pinky;499648 wrote: Things might have been harder in the bad old days, but at least people didn't get upset if they couldn't afford brand new leather sofas as soon as they moved into a place, because no-one else did either. Wasn't life more about the important things than trying to get the next LCD/Plasma screen telly?



It seems to me that people nowadays are obsessed with stuff rather than the things that make us truly happy.


My parents aspired to have everything that was available to buy, but it took years of scrimping and saving. In later years they had more but were no happier, just not so exhausted with the coal fires, the coke boilers, the hand washing etc



Do we really know what makes us or WILL make us truly happy......I know what made makes me UNHAPPY, but am still striving for REAL happiness...



Peter you're 'spot on' with your observations ....When I was a kid, we had 1 car in our street...it belonged to a 'commercial traveller'.....I thought he was a millionaire....he was also the 1st person to have a TV set ....



I was a teenager in the 1960s....the world changed beyond recognition. My sister is 9 years older than me ....beleive it or not, there was a huge 'generation gap' between us.

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:55 am
by Raven
I think the ten years between the 50's and 70's had a similar impact. I look back and ask 'what the hell happened?' Being born in those years twixt and tween, I really wonder!

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:00 am
by Bez
You're right Raven.....one day it was twinsets and tweed, Bing Crosby and Doris Day and the next it was booby socks and mini skirts and Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis :-6

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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:03 am
by spot
Free sex. Trips. Like, wow, man, it did the trick.

eta: this is a specialist use of the word "free" and has no financial implication.

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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:04 am
by Lulu2
RAVEN "I think the ten years between the 50's and 70's had a similar impact. I look back and ask 'what the hell happened?"

+++++++++++ Well, ONE thing that happened was a passionate belief in young people that peace was achieveable, that the monetary goals of their parents might not be realistic or even desireable and that "all you need is love."

Was any of it true? You decide.

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:19 am
by CARLA
Sex, Drugs, and Rockin & Roll.. Turned the World upside down, I know I was there. :-6 The 50's, 60's, 70's and the 80's defined many of us. Was it all good you decide, and teach your children well.

Maybe it is true "ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE.".. :D

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:37 am
by YZGI
CARLA;499684 wrote: Sex, Drugs, and Rockin & Roll.. Turned the World upside down, I know I was there. :-6 The 50's, 60's, 70's and the 80's defined many of us. Was it all good you decide, and teach your children well.



Maybe it is true "ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE.".. :D
Why do I feel that if John Lennon were still alive he would have a song out now. All you need is cash.

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:38 am
by Lulu2
You'd be WRONG! :wah:

CARLA: We've got to find a meeting place, half-way between!

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:46 am
by Marie5656
onsekiz;499700 wrote: My dad thinks homosexuals should be cured

I'm cool with them marrying each other

Is this crazy thing generation change?


That is very true of our parent's generation. More than our own. I always ask how can you cure someone if there is nothing wrong with them???

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:46 am
by Lulu2
(Ask him how to "cure" homosexuals. It can't be done.)

And yes...this generational thing is an ongoing change. And it usually comes round to meet itself in a circle, if you see my meaning.

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:52 am
by Lulu2
Clearly, your father is uneducated on these matters...and maybe he's not likely to change that. BUT...ask him if HE could change himself in the way he suggests homosexuals change.

;)

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:00 am
by Lulu2
Someday, your son may say the same about you! (After going through his rebellious teens, etc.) Then you can remember this time and smile!

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:20 am
by CARLA
Come on LULU2 isn't love that makes the world go around.. Or is that money...;) Oh the simple life...

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:33 am
by CARLA
Onsekis it is simple times were different for your father. I'm the same age as he and education is the key... maybe in time he you can educate him on the fact of homosexuality (SP). He may not agree, then again he may become more tolorent. ;)

My father and mother never went to College just wasn't an option during their life time with War, no money, the depression. So there ability to understand and see the ways of the world were minimal until the TV... wooo!! did that change things.. :cool:

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:14 pm
by Richard Bell
Bez;499661 wrote: next it was booby socks


I'm picturing Dolly Parton modelling a pair of argylle double D. ;)

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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:19 pm
by Marie5656
Richard Bell;499921 wrote: I'm picturing Dolly Parton modelling a pair of argylle double D. ;)


Well, a nice pair of woolen over the shoulder boulder holders would make a nice Christmas gift for someone in a cold climate.:)

Generation Change.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:22 pm
by Richard Bell
Lulu2;499717 wrote: Someday, your son may say the same about you! (After going through his rebellious teens, etc.) Then you can remember this time and smile!


This reminds me of the story of the young man who, as a teenager, thought his father to be a completely clueless square. When he entered his late twenties, he marvelled at how wise his old man had become over the past ten years.

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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:24 pm
by Richard Bell
Marie5656;499928 wrote: Well, a nice pair of woolen over the shoulder boulder holders would make a nice Christmas gift for someone in a cold climate.:)


I'll just have to make do with my cotton dickie !

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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:21 pm
by Insomniac
Richard Bell;499942 wrote: I'll just have to make do with my cotton dickie !


Wash in cold water so it doesn't shrink.

(Sorry, couldn't help it).

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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:38 pm
by Richard Bell
Insomniac;500182 wrote: Wash in cold water so it doesn't shrink.

(Sorry, couldn't help it).


aahh... but it will shrink in cold water. Seinfeld taught us that !

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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:58 am
by Bez
Richard Bell;499921 wrote: I'm picturing Dolly Parton modelling a pair of argylle double D. ;)


Ooooops...should have read 'bobby' socks.



I watched 'Dirty Dancing' last night.....an entertaining example of generation change.