And we're supposed to win?
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:02 am
All wars are surreal, but yes, Iraq is definitely one of the more surreal ones. What can I or anyone else say? 
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And we're supposed to win?
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:32 am
Is this a report on a real situation or is it a page out of a war novel? There is so much information being fed to the world from there it is impossible to know what is real and what isn't. Information is used as a weapon by both sides in any war. I certainly don't trust it when we don't even know who wrote it. I could have been written by a Soviet Communist rat.
And we're supposed to win?
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:26 pm
so scrat.......
we are wrong to fight it this way as you suppose.....
I AGREE 100%%%%%%
I say:
what if we turned the streets into glass?
Or is that wrong too? ok then, what if we removed the HANDCUFFS from the Sergeant Biletski's over there supporting our right to disagree and let them loose, instead of fighting the style of war ALL the bleeding hearts require us to and remain HANDCUFFED against a faceless opponent......
I SAY REMOVE THE CUFFS and hold the nukes>>>>>>>>>>
Bring the boys home sooner!!!!!!
we are wrong to fight it this way as you suppose.....
I AGREE 100%%%%%%
I say:
what if we turned the streets into glass?
Or is that wrong too? ok then, what if we removed the HANDCUFFS from the Sergeant Biletski's over there supporting our right to disagree and let them loose, instead of fighting the style of war ALL the bleeding hearts require us to and remain HANDCUFFED against a faceless opponent......
I SAY REMOVE THE CUFFS and hold the nukes>>>>>>>>>>
Bring the boys home sooner!!!!!!
And we're supposed to win?
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:12 am
Scrat;532253 wrote: Damien Cave. New York Times. It's also on page A3 of the Seattle PI, Thur Jan 26.
Yeah, you do get some interesting material Clint but the THEME doesn't seem to change. There has been no progress in Iraq in the time we have been there. As a matter of fact it has gotten worse. You need to look at the big picture.
Ummmmmmm Could be, could be.
Seems that a lot of those bullets the insurgents use along with RPGs ect come NEW from the countries of the former Warsaw Pact.
Our "allies".
Get lucid Clint.
OH REALLY.........
NO PROGRESS........
From whose view?
Your anti American Bush hatin view?................
or the FACTS?????
Did you miss these facts
Good Things in Iraq Not Being Reported by the Media-
All of the hospitals operating-Truth!
Because of disrepair and looting, it took a lot of work to get hospitals back up to speed but according to James Haverman, the Coalition Provisional Authority Senior Advisor to the Iraqi Ministry of Health, all 240 hospitals in Iraq as well as 2400 primary health care clinics were operating as of December, 2003.
School Attendance is up 80%-Truth!
Again, according to an April, 2004 report from UNICEF, school attendance in Iraq increased by 60 percent shortly after the war to more than 95 percent during the recent national exam week.
More than 1,500 schools renovated-Truth!
UNICEF says that as of April, 2004, more than 2,500 schools have been renovated with the goal of 4,000 being completed by the end of the year, but 10,000 more need repair.
The Port of Uhm Qasar [sic] renovated so grain can be offloaded faster-Truth!
In a November, 2003 interview on National Public Radio, Andrew Natsios of the U.S. Agency for International Development said that the port at Umm Qasar, Iraq's largest, is modern and functioning for the first time in 20 years.
An interim constitution has been signed-Truth!
On March 8, 2004, an interim constitution that defines Iraq as being "federal, democratic and pluralist" was signed by members of the Iraqi Governing Council.
Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs-Truth!
Not only are U.S. soldiers demonstrating field sanitation and hand washing, but UNICEF is conducting an active health education program to improve personal hygiene and promote more hand washing.
Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years-Truth!
According to published reports, a team of U.S. appointed Iraqi educators combed through more than 500 Iraqi textbooks and removed every mention of Saddam Hussein and the Baath
party including pictures.
The texts will probably be revised by the Iraqis at some point in the future, but the pre-war texts were dominated with Saddam Hussein.
Quote
"I love 'em," he says. "They really want to make a difference in their country. I would trust one of them just like I would trust my own guys.
A U.S. Green Beret
An Iraqi woman shows her ink-stained finger after casting her vote in the Iraqi parliamentary election at a polling station in the town of Az Zubayr, in southern Iraq,
Yeah, you do get some interesting material Clint but the THEME doesn't seem to change. There has been no progress in Iraq in the time we have been there. As a matter of fact it has gotten worse. You need to look at the big picture.
Ummmmmmm Could be, could be.
Seems that a lot of those bullets the insurgents use along with RPGs ect come NEW from the countries of the former Warsaw Pact.
Our "allies".
Get lucid Clint.
OH REALLY.........
NO PROGRESS........
From whose view?
Your anti American Bush hatin view?................
or the FACTS?????
Did you miss these facts
Good Things in Iraq Not Being Reported by the Media-
All of the hospitals operating-Truth!
Because of disrepair and looting, it took a lot of work to get hospitals back up to speed but according to James Haverman, the Coalition Provisional Authority Senior Advisor to the Iraqi Ministry of Health, all 240 hospitals in Iraq as well as 2400 primary health care clinics were operating as of December, 2003.
School Attendance is up 80%-Truth!
Again, according to an April, 2004 report from UNICEF, school attendance in Iraq increased by 60 percent shortly after the war to more than 95 percent during the recent national exam week.
More than 1,500 schools renovated-Truth!
UNICEF says that as of April, 2004, more than 2,500 schools have been renovated with the goal of 4,000 being completed by the end of the year, but 10,000 more need repair.
The Port of Uhm Qasar [sic] renovated so grain can be offloaded faster-Truth!
In a November, 2003 interview on National Public Radio, Andrew Natsios of the U.S. Agency for International Development said that the port at Umm Qasar, Iraq's largest, is modern and functioning for the first time in 20 years.
An interim constitution has been signed-Truth!
On March 8, 2004, an interim constitution that defines Iraq as being "federal, democratic and pluralist" was signed by members of the Iraqi Governing Council.
Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs-Truth!
Not only are U.S. soldiers demonstrating field sanitation and hand washing, but UNICEF is conducting an active health education program to improve personal hygiene and promote more hand washing.
Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years-Truth!
According to published reports, a team of U.S. appointed Iraqi educators combed through more than 500 Iraqi textbooks and removed every mention of Saddam Hussein and the Baath
party including pictures.
The texts will probably be revised by the Iraqis at some point in the future, but the pre-war texts were dominated with Saddam Hussein.
Quote
"I love 'em," he says. "They really want to make a difference in their country. I would trust one of them just like I would trust my own guys.
A U.S. Green Beret
An Iraqi woman shows her ink-stained finger after casting her vote in the Iraqi parliamentary election at a polling station in the town of Az Zubayr, in southern Iraq,
And we're supposed to win?
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:39 am
Scrat;532706 wrote: I mostly agree with you BTS. The ROEs we have are hurting us. Have been. If somebody shoots from a Mosque, storm it and make it a strongpoint with American troops inside. Take posession of it for the duration.
Get a million men in Iraq, seal the country off hermatically. Anyone caught within 100 miles of the border that is not authorized gets shot. Anyone in the country with a gun gets shot on sight. Take away the cars, take away the cellphones, the computers and the TV remote controls (so they can't make IED triggers) and put any troublemakers of any kind in a concentration camp. Put all males between the ages of 14 and 54 in work camps and have them rebuild the country.
Stop playing boyscout for the good of all involved. If this had been done when we went in at first Iraq would be totally different now.
As for nukes I don't think they should be used on any inhabited areas. We need to quit occupying the mideast. Get out, it's none of our business anyway. When we leave just find a nice open unoccupied desert over there and turn it to glass.
The tell the Arab leaders that if so much as an Arabian/Muslim desert rat farts in an American city we start with Mecca.
By Arab leaders I mean ALL OF THEM, EVEN BUSHS FAMILY FRIENDS!!
Dadburnit scrat.........
I agree.........
When do we start?
I think after 9/11 most Americans thought going into Iraq this was how it would ALL go.........
BUTT little did we know we would ***** foot around.........
Win it or get (MY) our boy(s) home......
ADDED LATER............
Yes EVEN BUSH"S friends......... makes NO diference
Get a million men in Iraq, seal the country off hermatically. Anyone caught within 100 miles of the border that is not authorized gets shot. Anyone in the country with a gun gets shot on sight. Take away the cars, take away the cellphones, the computers and the TV remote controls (so they can't make IED triggers) and put any troublemakers of any kind in a concentration camp. Put all males between the ages of 14 and 54 in work camps and have them rebuild the country.
Stop playing boyscout for the good of all involved. If this had been done when we went in at first Iraq would be totally different now.
As for nukes I don't think they should be used on any inhabited areas. We need to quit occupying the mideast. Get out, it's none of our business anyway. When we leave just find a nice open unoccupied desert over there and turn it to glass.
The tell the Arab leaders that if so much as an Arabian/Muslim desert rat farts in an American city we start with Mecca.
By Arab leaders I mean ALL OF THEM, EVEN BUSHS FAMILY FRIENDS!!
Dadburnit scrat.........
I agree.........
When do we start?
I think after 9/11 most Americans thought going into Iraq this was how it would ALL go.........
BUTT little did we know we would ***** foot around.........
Win it or get (MY) our boy(s) home......
ADDED LATER............
Yes EVEN BUSH"S friends......... makes NO diference
And we're supposed to win?
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:59 am
Diuretic;532781 wrote: Oh bollocks to all this "the good things the media isn't reporting". Bollocks a hundred times over. The media isn't telling the truth about Iraq at all. It is a crock, a huge crock. Stop the whining about the media isnt reporting the good things. The media isn't reporting anything worth a damn. Lara Logan was stopped by CBS from reporting what was happening.
Get out of fantasy land. Until the oil deal is secured no troops will leave Iraq.
So...have you been there? How do you know it's a "huge crock"? I tend to believe the statistics BTS provided more than media hype.
And SCRAT, I can hardly believe I'm going to say this but I agree that taking the goves of and getting it done will actually save lives and bring about stability. The one thing they understand in that part of the world is power and they think they have it at this point.
Get out of fantasy land. Until the oil deal is secured no troops will leave Iraq.
So...have you been there? How do you know it's a "huge crock"? I tend to believe the statistics BTS provided more than media hype.
And SCRAT, I can hardly believe I'm going to say this but I agree that taking the goves of and getting it done will actually save lives and bring about stability. The one thing they understand in that part of the world is power and they think they have it at this point.