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I have received a letter today from my boss asking me to attend a disciplinary hearing with him next week, because I am not hitting my targets.

The letter says the meeting may result in a dismissal.

5 years I have been there!:-1

I was told two days ago, that I have until the end of the month to prove myself.

Now they changed there mind?

Anyway I need to write a letter to my boss, I can't go through this again, so I quit.

My other half (Marcos) Wrote this.

What do you think?:wah:

Dear Tim.

Thanks so much for arranging a meeting for .......... I know your time

is precious so just a quick note to clarify my position. Sadly (and I

think you know what’s coming), I’ve decided not to take up any offer

that you are intending of given me. Actually, I’d rather like to spit on

any offer you may have for me as its to late in the day, you had your

chance!

I will say. You’ve got balls; I’ll give you that. But what’s the point

of having big balls if you’ve only got a weenie bat (.......... told the

whole office). What sort of idiot do you think I am to even consider

accepting your trifling gesture, this pittance, this worst of kind of

tokenism?

Anyway, take this as written notice. I’m off; outta here, following my

yellow brick road (in a Mercedes Convertible) to pastures new and

greener. I’m going to a bigger and proper company (don’t ask me where –

I don’t need a reference) who are paying me even more money and who are

kindly providing me with a whopper of an expenses account. Job

satisfaction? Who needs it? Haven’t you read The Bonfire of the

Vanities? They’re giving me a clothes allowance, all expenses paid car

and free corporate gym membership. Salubrious stuff I’m sure you'll

agree.

And so, at last, I must bid you a fond adieu. I’ll miss your long-winded

internal memos intensely although I’ll never forgive you for sending me

so few of them. Finally, I would certainly recommend a deodorant to you

but I don’t care enough. I wish you all the best for the future.

Kind Regards



Natalie Wiles

LondonFan of MJ!;571880 wrote: I have received a letter today from my boss asking me to attend a disciplinary hearing with him next week, because I am not hitting my targets.

The letter says the meeting may result in a dismissal.

5 years I have been there!:-1

I was told two days ago, that I have until the end of the month to prove myself.

Now they changed there mind?

Anyway I need to write a letter to my boss, I can't go through this again, so I quit.

My other half (Marcos) Wrote this.

What do you think?:wah:

Dear Tim.

Thanks so much for arranging a meeting for .......... I know your time

is precious so just a quick note to clarify my position. Sadly (and I

think you know what’s coming), I’ve decided not to take up any offer

that you are intending of given me. Actually, I’d rather like to spit on

any offer you may have for me as its to late in the day, you had your

chance!

I will say. You’ve got balls; I’ll give you that. But what’s the point

of having big balls if you’ve only got a weenie bat (.......... told the

whole office). What sort of idiot do you think I am to even consider

accepting your trifling gesture, this pittance, this worst of kind of

tokenism?

Anyway, take this as written notice. I’m off; outta here, following my

yellow brick road (in a Mercedes Convertible) to pastures new and

greener. I’m going to a bigger and proper company (don’t ask me where –

I don’t need a reference) who are paying me even more money and who are

kindly providing me with a whopper of an expenses account. Job

satisfaction? Who needs it? Haven’t you read The Bonfire of the

Vanities? They’re giving me a clothes allowance, all expenses paid car

and free corporate gym membership. Salubrious stuff I’m sure you'll

agree.

And so, at last, I must bid you a fond adieu. I’ll miss your long-winded

internal memos intensely although I’ll never forgive you for sending me

so few of them. Finally, I would certainly recommend a deodorant to you

but I don’t care enough. I wish you all the best for the future.

Kind Regards



Natalie Wiles


no dont send the letter in yet!! you never know what can happen..... just wait for the meeting and if he's gonna fire him... go off on him.

as a joke it is funny...BUT....you should have given two week notice or went to the meeting....imho

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that hon. You should definitley send him that letter!!

It is brilliant! :wah:

No No he mean't it as a joke.

No way would I send it, although it is tempting lol

He has made a professional one to send my boss.

How many times I would've LOVE to send that to a boss!!

that was funny!!

I'm sorry to hear that things aren't going well for you, but where this door closes, another will swing open...My best wishes for you

WonderWendy3;571906 wrote: How many times I would've LOVE to send that to a boss!!

that was funny!!

I'm sorry to hear that things aren't going well for you, but where this door closes, another will swing open...My best wishes for you


Thank you!

Yeah I am gutted.

Plus now I wll have no car.

It's a company car.

Thanks Anna xx

LondonFan of MJ!;571902 wrote: No No he mean't it as a joke.

No way would I send it, although it is tempting lol



He has made a professional one to send my boss.


Oh good, was hoping it was a joke, cause really, quite frankly that's how it sounded! It is wise to "Never" burn your bridges, not at least until you're ready to retire. (Then. . . ?) As sometimes during your working years, if you did burn your bridges, you never know how the fickle finger of "fate" can sometimes play cruel tricks on you and come back to bite you! During my working career, my path crossed several times over with many people I once worked with from various companies. You never know when you might have to apply for a job with one of them! :rolleyes:

(Or even want to use them as a reference, for a new job)

Sorry to hear this, hope you find something soon.

I am so sorry things have come to this Nat The letter did make me laugh though :wah:



Things always have a habit of turning out for the best, so you never know, a fab job could be waiting round the corner with your name all over it. :-4

Thank you peeps!

Yeah Suzy I was shocked this happened so soon.

Do what you feel is right

It may be good to try something different if you are financially stable at the moment

TomV87;571936 wrote: Do what you feel is right

It may be good to try something different if you are financially stable at the moment


Tom!! Hey!!:guitarist

Thanks hon. xx

LondonFan of MJ!;571940 wrote: Tom!! Hey!!:guitarist

Thanks hon. xx


woooooo lol

where are all these dirty threads you promised lol

TomV87;571943 wrote: woooooo lol

where are all these dirty threads you promised lol


LMAO Perv!

That letter is pure class, I wish I would hand that in to my work place:wah:

Hope everything works out for you Nats.

TomV87;571943 wrote: woooooo lol

where are all these dirty threads you promised lol


Tom you just wanna get right down to it dont you:wah:

That letter is pure class, I wish I would hand that in to my work place

Hope everything works out for you Nats.




Thank you!!:-6

Get hold of a lawyer that specialises in employment law. If you've been there five years they can't just sack you. If they told you two days ago you have a month to prove yourself was it a formal disciplinary meeting? If it wasn't then what was said is irrelevant.

Possibly someone more senior has pointed out to him that he can't just do things like that and he wants to formalise things so you can't take the firm to an employment tribunal. Postpone the meeting as a week is too short a notice period-any one in sales (which I assume you are) has to plan more than a week in advance and cancelling meetings to attend one at such short notice is bad management. If he's any good as a manager he should know what your diary is like as a matter of course. If he doesn't then he's a pillock.

Who set the targets? have they been sharply increased recently for no good business reason? If you have been doing your job properly for the last five years what has changed? New Boss or what? After five years you do not suddenly become incapable of doing your job. There has to be more to this.

take the letter with you when you go see a lawyer. If this is the first intimation of a problem and they are threatening to sack you then you have a good case. On the face of it sound like constructive dismissal. You don't need to take this kind of crap-employment contracts are two way agreements. They cannot sack you out of hand unless you have done really serious like steal or thump the manager. He's male I see. sexual harassment?-maybe you make him feel inadequate, is he sexist? how does he treat other female members of staff?

http://www.employment-solicitors.co.uk/

You should be aware that from 1st October 2004 there has been a change with the implementation of compulsory disciplinary and grievance procedures including dismissal procedures.



The DTI have suggested that all employers should bring to their employees notice that this change has taken place and for the following reasons.



Employers who do not employ a basic system of disciplinary and dismissal procedures as defined in the regulations, can look forward to having their decisions being found to be automatically unfair dismissals.


For the sake of your own self confidence leave on your own terms. make sure of your ground and then go for the balls. But start job hunting anyway. There is nothing more terrifying than a self confident women ready for a fight. Just remember he has to prove the case not you defend yourself. You are not a supplicant in this.

I've been the victim of constructive dismissal myself and oh boy would I handle it differently now. Sadly bitter experience is often the best teacher.

gmc;571985 wrote: Get hold of a lawyer that specialises in employment law. If you've been there five years they can't just sack you. If they told you two days ago you have a month to prove yourself was it a formal disciplinary meeting? If it wasn't then what was said is irrelevant.

Possibly someone more senior has pointed out to him that he can't just do things like that and he wants to formalise things so you can't take the firm to an employment tribunal. Postpone the meeting as a week is too short a notice period-any one in sales (which I assume you are) has to plan more than a week in advance and cancelling meetings to attend one at such short notice is bad management. If he's any good as a manager he should know what your diary is like as a matter of course. If he doesn't then he's a pillock.

Who set the targets? have they been sharply increased recently for no good business reason? If you have been doing your job properly for the last five years what has changed? New Boss or what? After five years you do not suddenly become incapable of doing your job. There has to be more to this.

take the letter with you when you go see a lawyer. If this is the first intimation of a problem and they are threatening to sack you then you have a good case. On the face of it sound like constructive dismissal. You don't need to take this kind of crap-employment contracts are two way agreements. They cannot sack you out of hand unless you have done really serious like steal or thump the manager. He's male I see. sexual harassment?-maybe you make him feel inadequate, is he sexist? how does he treat other female members of staff?

http://www.employment-solicitors.co.uk/



For the sake of your own self confidence leave on your own terms. make sure of your ground and then go for the balls. But start job hunting anyway. There is nothing more terrifying than a self confident women ready for a fight. Just remember he has to prove the case not you defend yourself. You are not a supplicant in this.

I've been the victim of constructive dismissal myself and oh boy would I handle it differently now. Sadly bitter experience is often the best teacher.


Thank you so much for posting!!

I have only been a sale rep for 14 months. I was promoted from a senior sales Merchandiser.

I was never trainned in sales.

The targets are too high for my area.

The rep before me left because of it, and before him, the rep left too, for the same reason.

They just don't get it!

My college, whos male, received the same letter today.

We went through this last October too.

Without a word of warning, a letter turned up on my door.

Telling me to attend a hearing.

I couldn't believe it. Never once was I trainned, never once was I asked why am I not hitting target.

Once I went for the meeting, my boss told me he will put what we said in writting.

He did. BUT the letter said This is your first written warning.

Er what happened to my verbal?

Anyway I managed to do last quarter.

In January my boss wrote to me to tell me I have been taken off the disciplinary hearing but it will stay on file for a year.

6 weeks later, I receive another letter.

Talk about confusing!

My targets haven't been changed.

I will look into this, Thank you so much!

I will look into this, Thank you so much!


Please do. He sounds like a complete pillock. Get your kicking boots on!

gmc;572021 wrote: Please do. He sounds like a complete pillock. Get your kicking boots on!


Thank you! and yes, he is.

Sorry to here this Nats mayby leaving this Job will open new doors for you if you get my drift

LondonFan of MJ!;571902 wrote: No No he mean't it as a joke.

No way would I send it, although it is tempting lol

He has made a professional one to send my boss.
Maybe we are different, but I MOST DEFINITELY would send it. In fact, I would hand deliver it to him to make sure his secratary doesn't proof-read it before handing it over.

I'm thinking I'd also add a few lines to it myself...

********** EDITED LETTER **********

Dear Tiny Tim.

Thanks so much for arranging a meeting for .......... I know your time is almost as precious to you as your child pornography, so just a quick note to clarify my position. Sadly (and I think you know what’s coming), I’ve decided not to take up any offer that you are intending of given me. Actually, I’d rather like to spit on any offer you may have for me as its to late in the day, you had your chance!

I will say, You’ve got balls; I’ll give you that. But what’s the point of having big balls if you’ve only got a TINY weenie bat? (.......... told the whole office). After all the girls in the office finished laughing, one of them reminded me that since you only have it for "personal use" anyway, it's apparent that size really DOESN'T matter. What sort of idiot do you think I am to even consider accepting your trifling gesture, this pittance, this worst of kind of tokenism? Do you actually think I am as big an idiot as YOU are?

Anyway, take this as written notice. I’m off; outta here, following my yellow brick road (in a Mercedes Convertible) to pastures new and greener. I’m going to a bigger and proper company (don’t ask me where – I don’t need YOUR reference) who are paying me even more money and who are kindly providing me with a whopper of an expenses account. An expense account that is even bigger than your ego, although I admit it is hard to believe there is anything bigger than that on this planet. Job satisfaction? Who needs it? Haven’t you read The Bonfire of the Vanities? They’re giving me a clothes allowance, all expenses paid car and free corporate gym membership. Salubrious stuff I’m sure you'll agree.

And so, at last, I must bid you a fond adieu. I’ll miss your long-winded internal memos as much as I would miss an S.T.D., although I’ll never forgive you for sending me so few of them. Lately I have had to resort to using newspaper to start fires in my fireplace, instead of your memos. Finally, I would certainly recommend a deodorant and a good mouthwash to you but I don’t care enough. I wish you all the best for the future, up to, and including Herpes

Remember, you really are a legend...in YOUR OWN MIND.

Yours in Distain,

Natalie Wiles

********** END **********



What can I say? I'm that kind of a nut.

It's just me; THAT'S how I roll!

It sounds like you are taking this well. I hope all works out well for you at the new job. Don't forget to add the icing to the cake letter, by sending your old boss an anniversary card after your first year at the new job. Title it "This new job sure is fantastic! The view from my office window is here, and I wish you were great!"

Craig James;572117 wrote: Maybe we are different, but I MOST DEFINITELY would send it. In fact, I would hand deliver it to him to make sure his secratary doesn't proof-read it before handing it over.

I'm thinking I'd also add a few lines to it myself...

********** EDITED LETTER **********

Dear Tiny Tim.

Thanks so much for arranging a meeting for .......... I know your time is almost as precious to you as your child pornography, so just a quick note to clarify my position. Sadly (and I think you know what’s coming), I’ve decided not to take up any offer that you are intending of given me. Actually, I’d rather like to spit on any offer you may have for me as its to late in the day, you had your chance!

I will say, You’ve got balls; I’ll give you that. But what’s the point of having big balls if you’ve only got a TINY weenie bat? (.......... told the whole office). After all the girls in the office finished laughing, one of them reminded me that since you only have it for "personal use" anyway, it's apparent that size really DOESN'T matter. What sort of idiot do you think I am to even consider accepting your trifling gesture, this pittance, this worst of kind of tokenism? Do you actually think I am as big an idiot as YOU are?

Anyway, take this as written notice. I’m off; outta here, following my yellow brick road (in a Mercedes Convertible) to pastures new and greener. I’m going to a bigger and proper company (don’t ask me where – I don’t need YOUR reference) who are paying me even more money and who are kindly providing me with a whopper of an expenses account. An expense account that is even bigger than your ego, although I admit it is hard to believe there is anything bigger than that on this planet. Job satisfaction? Who needs it? Haven’t you read The Bonfire of the Vanities? They’re giving me a clothes allowance, all expenses paid car and free corporate gym membership. Salubrious stuff I’m sure you'll agree.

And so, at last, I must bid you a fond adieu. I’ll miss your long-winded internal memos as much as I would miss an S.T.D., although I’ll never forgive you for sending me so few of them. Lately I have had to resort to using newspaper to start fires in my fireplace, instead of your memos. Finally, I would certainly recommend a deodorant and a good mouthwash to you but I don’t care enough. I wish you all the best for the future, up to, and including Herpes

Remember, you really are a legend...in YOUR OWN MIND.

Yours in Distain,

Natalie Wiles

********** END **********



What can I say? I'm that kind of a nut.

It's just me; THAT'S how I roll!


OMG LMFAOOOOOO

That really made me laugh :yh_rotfl

That letter is poor for a variety of reasons; one being because if you're going to use words like salubrious, you should know how to spell the other little ones or it just doesn't come off. It won't matter that much in the end because it sounds like sour grapes. Perhaps you're not cut out for the job. This is a possibility. Sometimes you end up grateful for what you don't get. I doubt your boss is trying to get a rise out of you, he probably has a business to run and has to find people who make the sales happen. Maybe he lacks finesse, but it's a job and I doubt it's personal against you.

If you send a letter like that, your boss will either crapcan it, which he should, or bust a gut laughing, knowing he got the better of you. Either way you're not going to get the result you desire from that letter because it's a childish thing to do. If you want it to look like you have bigger fish to fry, then send no letter, pack any belongings you have, split and get another job. And consider what Cars said. That's the best advice you've been given yet.

LondonFan of MJ!;571880 wrote: so I quit.


*Don't*. If you have already resigned, of course, then it's too late. Make them

take action, then evaluate your position after taking professional advice.

RedGlitter;572396 wrote: That letter is poor for a variety of reasons; one being because if you're going to use words like salubrious, you should know how to spell the other little ones or it just doesn't come off. It won't matter that much in the end because it sounds like sour grapes. Perhaps you're not cut out for the job. This is a possibility. Sometimes you end up grateful for what you don't get. I doubt your boss is trying to get a rise out of you, he probably has a business to run and has to find people who make the sales happen. Maybe he lacks finesse, but it's a job and I doubt it's personal against you.

If you send a letter like that, your boss will either crapcan it, which he should, or bust a gut laughing, knowing he got the better of you. Either way you're not going to get the result you desire from that letter because it's a childish thing to do. If you want it to look like you have bigger fish to fry, then send no letter, pack any belongings you have, split and get another job. And consider what Cars said. That's the best advice you've been given yet.


i think natalie said earlier in this thread that this letter was a joke and she wasnt gonna give it to her boss.

Parker_scramble;572425 wrote: i think natalie said earlier in this thread that this letter was a joke and she wasnt gonna give it to her boss.


Yep that's right, thanks hon.

Bill Sikes..My boss will receive a polite letter from me on Monday.

I think it's best if I just leave to be honest.:-6

That letter is poor for a variety of reasons; one being because if you're going to use words like salubrious, you should know how to spell the other little ones or it just doesn't come off. It won't matter that much in the end because it sounds like sour grapes. Perhaps you're not cut out for the job. This is a possibility. Sometimes you end up grateful for what you don't get. I doubt your boss is trying to get a rise out of you, he probably has a business to run and has to find people who make the sales happen. Maybe he lacks finesse, but it's a job and I doubt it's personal against you.

If you send a letter like that, your boss will either crapcan it, which he should, or bust a gut laughing, knowing he got the better of you. Either way you're not going to get the result you desire from that letter because it's a childish thing to do. If you want it to look like you have bigger fish to fry, then send no letter, pack any belongings you have, split and get another job. And consider what Cars said. That's the best advice you've been given yet.


I said in my first post that my other half wrote this letter, not me.

It was just a joke.

HEY!!! and furthermore HEYYYYYY!!!!!!

You've got rights here! Especially if you have been there for any length of time.

THere is no way they can sack you without following the new grievance procedure (three steps)

I bet they didn't even inform you of your right to be accompanied?? If not, then you defo have the right to take them to tribunal.

FOR GODS SAKE DON'T TELL THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU THIS RIGHT. LET THEM FECK UP BIG STYLE!

Seriously, Don't resign. Let them try to dismiss you and then take them to tribunal. I worked as an employment law specialist before this role.

let me know if you need any more info.

LondonFan of MJ!;572001 wrote: Thank you so much for posting!!

I have only been a sale rep for 14 months. I was promoted from a senior sales Merchandiser.

I was never trainned in sales.

The targets are too high for my area.

The rep before me left because of it, and before him, the rep left too, for the same reason.

They just don't get it!

My college, whos male, received the same letter today.

We went through this last October too.

Without a word of warning, a letter turned up on my door.

Telling me to attend a hearing.

I couldn't believe it. Never once was I trainned, never once was I asked why am I not hitting target.

Once I went for the meeting, my boss told me he will put what we said in writting.

He did. BUT the letter said This is your first written warning.

Er what happened to my verbal?

Anyway I managed to do last quarter.

In January my boss wrote to me to tell me I have been taken off the disciplinary hearing but it will stay on file for a year.

6 weeks later, I receive another letter.

Talk about confusing!

My targets haven't been changed.

I will look into this, Thank you so much!


Seriously - you have so much on your side here... you could really screw them over!

PM me if you want any employment law advice.

Craig James;572117 wrote: Maybe we are different, but I MOST DEFINITELY would send it. In fact, I would hand deliver it to him to make sure his secratary doesn't proof-read it before handing it over.

I'm thinking I'd also add a few lines to it myself...

********** EDITED LETTER **********

Dear Tiny Tim.

Thanks so much for arranging a meeting for .......... I know your time is almost as precious to you as your child pornography, so just a quick note to clarify my position. Sadly (and I think you know what’s coming), I’ve decided not to take up any offer that you are intending of given me. Actually, I’d rather like to spit on any offer you may have for me as its to late in the day, you had your chance!

I will say, You’ve got balls; I’ll give you that. But what’s the point of having big balls if you’ve only got a TINY weenie bat? (.......... told the whole office). After all the girls in the office finished laughing, one of them reminded me that since you only have it for "personal use" anyway, it's apparent that size really DOESN'T matter. What sort of idiot do you think I am to even consider accepting your trifling gesture, this pittance, this worst of kind of tokenism? Do you actually think I am as big an idiot as YOU are?

Anyway, take this as written notice. I’m off; outta here, following my yellow brick road (in a Mercedes Convertible) to pastures new and greener. I’m going to a bigger and proper company (don’t ask me where – I don’t need YOUR reference) who are paying me even more money and who are kindly providing me with a whopper of an expenses account. An expense account that is even bigger than your ego, although I admit it is hard to believe there is anything bigger than that on this planet. Job satisfaction? Who needs it? Haven’t you read The Bonfire of the Vanities? They’re giving me a clothes allowance, all expenses paid car and free corporate gym membership. Salubrious stuff I’m sure you'll agree.

And so, at last, I must bid you a fond adieu. I’ll miss your long-winded internal memos as much as I would miss an S.T.D., although I’ll never forgive you for sending me so few of them. Lately I have had to resort to using newspaper to start fires in my fireplace, instead of your memos. Finally, I would certainly recommend a deodorant and a good mouthwash to you but I don’t care enough. I wish you all the best for the future, up to, and including Herpes

Remember, you really are a legend...in YOUR OWN MIND.

Yours in Distain,

Natalie Wiles

********** END **********



What can I say? I'm that kind of a nut.

It's just me; THAT'S how I roll!

It sounds like you are taking this well. I hope all works out well for you at the new job. Don't forget to add the icing to the cake letter, by sending your old boss an anniversary card after your first year at the new job. Title it "This new job sure is fantastic! The view from my office window is here, and I wish you were great!"


OMFG Send this sis!