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When you see someone all alone and they are a wonderful person what do you think, that they choose to be alone, or that fate ended them that way?

you never truely know how they lived their lives ip..it could be by choice or the result of how they treated people....

It depends ?

The older I get - the more I want to be alone..

And I want to be left alone.

Patsy

Patsy Warnick;618688 wrote: It depends ?

The older I get - the more I want to be alone..

And I want to be left alone.



Patsy




i was going to reply but decided to leave you alone :-3

I've been reading about the philosophical progression on this very topic.

In earliest records, it was believed that mankind was completely at the whim and fate of the world around him. That rocks, trees, everything you could see, had a spirit that was superior and that would quickly fall in judgement over a human's actions or thoughts. Progressively, thinkers moved away from this idea to realise that people could actually affect their social direction through choices and willpower... notably changing with Socrates.

Much of the reasoning was influenced by religion, wherein the philosopher would look at a religious belief and say "if this is true then this must follow" and if the philosophy supported the religion then it gained support from the population. Most thinking is biased by previous perceptions but people have learned to become more objective over time. Still, for most ideas to occur they must have roots and roots are fed by existing ideas.

(anyone mind if I move this to philosophy?)

I live alone without any family, since I've never married and I wouldn't have any kids outside of wedlock. I have relatives dispersed around the country, but I'm unwelcome at most of their houses.

I'm retired on disability at age 54. I hadn't worked more than a total of ten years before I quit working, just enough to have paid enough into the Social Security system so that I can now draw the better of the two kinds of Social Security payments available.

I usually sleep about 18 hours per day, since I have a tremendous amount of difficulty getting out of bed, and also because I have absolutely nothing else to do. I realize what I'm saying about not being able to get out of bed sounds comical and sounds as if I'm simply rendering an irresponsible excuse for not being an upstanding citizen. But I have really struggled with this problem for years, and years, and years. The therapist who I see every other week has a kind of blind faith that there is a substantial, anatomical, psychiatric reason for my inability to get out of bed, and he tries to discourage me from being too self-critical over this. Although at one time this was true, the difficulty I have is not due to sedation from medication; we long ago considered all the easy solutions such as that one. Anyway, because I have so much trouble getting up in the mornings, that rules out the option of my doing any volunteer work. Do you realize one can get fired from a volunteer job, just the same as he or she can get fired from a paid job?

My personal hygiene is zilch. This is another reason I don't work. The way it used to be when I was holding down a job, would be that even when I was on time for work, I still didn't show up in a presentable state. Though I've seen worse elsewhere, my own apartment is messy.

As far as marriage is concerned what sensible girl would want to marry a guy who stinks, keeps his living environment a mess, and sleeps his life away, even if she is the heroic, altruistic, selfless type? By the way, making improvements in my hygenic upkeep has proven just as hard and elusive as getting out of bed is. I, too, have a kind of blind faith that there is a physical, anatomical error somewhere in my brain structure, which causes me to have these kinds of problems.

I also have diabetes, which isn't getting any better. I'm not sure if any of my doctors expect me to live another 20 years.

Answers self: I'll start a different thread on the broader philosophical topic.

kumininexile;618700 wrote: I live alone without any family, since I've never married and I wouldn't have any kids outside of wedlock. I have relatives dispersed around the country, but I'm unwelcome at most of their houses.



I'm retired on disability at age 54. I hadn't worked more than a total of ten years before I quit working, just enough to have paid enough into the Social Security system so that I can now draw the better of the two kinds of Social Security payments available.



I usually sleep about 18 hours per day, since I have a tremendous amount of difficulty getting out of bed, and also because I have absolutely nothing else to do. I realize what I'm saying about not being able to get out of bed sounds comical and sounds as if I'm simply rendering an irresponsible excuse for not being an upstanding citizen. But I have really struggled with this problem for years, and years, and years. The therapist who I see every other week has a kind of blind faith that there is a substantial, anatomical, psychiatric reason for my inability to get out of bed, and he tries to discourage me from being too self-critical over this. Although at one time this was true, the difficulty I have is not due to sedation from medication; we long ago considered all the easy solutions such as that one. Anyway, because I have so much trouble getting up in the mornings, that rules out the option of my doing any volunteer work. Do you realize one can get fired from a volunteer job, just the same as he or she can get fired from a paid job?



My personal hygiene is zilch. This is another reason I don't work. The way it used to be when I was holding down a job, would be that even when I was on time for work, I still didn't show up in a presentable state. Though I've seen worse elsewhere, my own apartment is messy.



As far as marriage is concerned what sensible girl would want to marry a guy who stinks, keeps his living environment a mess, and sleeps his life away, even if she is the heroic, altruistic, selfless type? By the way, making improvements in my hygenic upkeep has proven just as hard and elusive as getting out of bed is. I, too, have a kind of blind faith that there is a physical, anatomical error somewhere in my brain structure, which causes me to have these kinds of problems.



I also have diabetes, which isn't getting any better. I'm not sure if any of my doctors expect me to live another 20 years.




buddy that was me when my girl was taken off me by her mom i never saw her for 11 years,she was my whole life it was as if someone just turned the sun off ,my life was cancelled i just wanted to die , i've been where your at it aint a nice place to be ,is there no way you can move on:-6 :-6 good luck my friend , Winston churchill said when your going through hell keep going its not a nice place to be

Indian Princess;618664 wrote: When you see someone all alone and they are a wonderful person what do you think, that they choose to be alone, or that fate ended them that way?


Due to the various events that happen in peoples lives (sad or happy), it is very hard to tell what led them to be alone. There are so many other factors when dealing with these events in our lives (the will to carry on and fight, the love and support of family and friends).

I guess there are people who are alone because of fate, however is there not also many people who are in a relationship who have also been dealt similar events in life.

And some, are just happy being alone.

So, my question would be, not fate vs choice on how this person got to where he/she is in there life . But is this person happy - right now? or do I need to be a better friend. :-4 :-4

Quote kumininexile (I, too, have a kind of blind faith that there is a physical, anatomical error somewhere in my brain structure, which causes me to have these kinds of problems.)

To kumininexile,

I am not a doctor and it would be very wrong of me to start commenting on your situation.

Just wanted to say, that yes there are alot of people who suffer from a chemical or otherwise imbalance in their brains. There is also alot of help and medication out there to help people with these imbalances.

So, please don't give up. Keep looking and trying new docs. if need be.

I truely hope you can find answer and begin to live a happy and forfilled life.

Pheasy :-4 :-4