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"the guy on the dvd says ..... if every one that believes in god is wrong then so what it does not make one bit of difference .... but if they are right it makes a difference of infinate importance "

how so? The world is full of believers and non-believers of various denominations and the world still turns, regardless

booradley;704217 wrote: "the guy on the dvd says ..... if every one that believes in god is wrong then so what it does not make one bit of difference .... but if they are right it makes a difference of infinate importance "

how so? The world is full of believers and non-believers of various denominations and the world still turns, regardless


I think it was meant in the respect of how your life is lived, we all know that life goes on but I think it meant on the spirtitual level, if that makes sense

I envy the peace and faith that these people have.

Sounds like a load of IFs to me.

dubs;704224 wrote: Sounds like a load of IFs to me.


I think it's getting late, I just said to Jim what is a load of 'I F S', he then explained it was 'if's'o

jimbo;704210 wrote: after going to see gatesy and his bible brigade ,a strange thing happened ,we had a meal and all talked then watched a dvd about the alpha course





the guy on the dvd says ..... if every one that believes in god is wrong then so what it does not make one bit of difference .... but if they are right it makes a difference of infinate importance ... ummmm got me thinking that one





over to you the massiah mafia whats your thoughts





spell checker not working do your best :rolleyes:


The Alpha course is useful if you're wanting a basic lead in to faith but that form of specious argument deserves nothing but a kick up the arse.

If you want to find out what's on offer then go along and see what is being said but, for God's sake, make your own decision - don't be a sheep.

SuzyB;704222 wrote:

I envy the peace and faith that these people have.


you can have peace and faith without religion. To have that absolute serenity, you have to sacrifice your soul and thought process and be willing to swallow implausible facts and overlook contradictions.

they're well intentioned though, my eldest girl was involved with the baptist church for a few years and did the alpha course. Nice people who did a lot for local kids and it was certainly better than having her hang out on street corners.

Bryn Mawr;704239 wrote: The Alpha course is useful if you're wanting a basic lead in to faith but that form of specious argument deserves nothing but a kick up the arse.

If you want to find out what's on offer then go along and see what is being said but, for God's sake, make your own decision - don't be a sheep.


Haha, dont worry Bryn I can't see that happening with Jim, he actually told the whole group that he is too logical for religon :-3

booradley;704242 wrote: you can have peace and faith without religion. To have that absolute serenity, you have to sacrifice your soul and thought process and be willing to swallow implausible facts and overlook contradictions.

they're well intentioned though, my eldest girl was involved with the baptist church for a few years and did the alpha course. Nice people who did a lot for local kids and it was certainly better than having her hang out on street corners.


I think that is why I've never really quite got there! I have been to church throughout my life many times but I never seem to have found what others have.

SuzyB;704245 wrote: I think that is why I've never really quite got there! I have been to church throughout my life many times but I never seem to have found what others have.


lol, me either. The Christmas carols are nice though...and the stained glass and old graves

SuzyB;704222 wrote: I think it was meant in the respect of how your life is lived, we all know that life goes on but I think it meant on the spirtitual level, if that makes sense



I envy the peace and faith that these people have.Me too Suze, I'm an athiest seeking god.

BTW, Who's Gatesy?

abbey;704267 wrote: Me too Suze, I'm an athiest seeking god.

BTW, Who's Gatesy?


Our friend Paul, I went to school with his wife.



Nice to see you Abbs, hope you are well :-4

jimbo;704248 wrote: MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH RELIGEON IS THAT I'M CAPABLE OF THOUGHT


Then read, voraciously - and once you have read all you can then find the best exponent you can in the opposition camp and pit your wits against them.

Win or lose, you'll learn - and by learning you'll win :-6

Our friend Paul, I went to school with his wife.



Nice to see you Abbs, hope you are well
I'm still none the wiser but hope you had a good evening.

I'm good suzi thanks, still plodding on :-4

jimbo;704272 wrote: pearly gatesy :wah:



my mate





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Good looking guy. :-6

jimbo;704210 wrote: after going to see gatesy and his bible brigade ,a strange thing happened ,we had a meal and all talked then watched a dvd about the alpha course





the guy on the dvd says ..... if every one that believes in god is wrong then so what it does not make one bit of difference .... but if they are right it makes a difference of infinate importance ... ummmm got me thinking that one





over to you the massiah mafia whats your thoughts





spell checker not working do your best :rolleyes:


magenta flame;704281 wrote: Ahhhhhh !!!! why is it that when anyone suggests remotely that they have been to some religious group that someone mentions "sheep" . what Jimbo gets out of it and his reasons for going is entirely his business......not mine or anyone elses.


The argument that Jim was putting forward was "if every one that believes in god is wrong then so what it does not make one bit of difference .... but if they are right it makes a difference of infinate importance" - I was suggesting that he should not follow the crowd.

Nothing to do with the subject - just the reasoning used to promote it.

Don't confuse belief or faith with religion. They're not necessarily interchangeable.