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Brussels cancels its new years eve celebrations after terror attack information recieved.

Do you worry about going into huge new years eve crowds because of the current terror climate?

Or do you think that you should do as you want, otherwise the terrorists win?

I found this by Ron Paul, Texas Representative and presidential candidate:

Freedom vs. Security: A False Choice


In recent days administration officials have warned the nation about possible terrorist attacks, subjecting us once again to color-coded threat charts and puzzling admonitions to go about our lives as usual. The message is clear: grave danger surrounds us, but ordinary citizens should do nothing and trust the government take care of it.

But the obvious lesson of September 11th is that government cannot protect us. Even with trillions of tax dollars spent on “defense,” hijacked planes flew unchallenged over our skies and attacked national symbols of business and government. Yet now we’re told to put even more faith into the same bureaucracies that failed us so miserably in the past? Self-reliance and self-defense are American virtues; trembling reliance on the illusion of government-provided security is not.

It's easy for elected officials in Washington to tell Americans that government will do whatever it takes to defeat terrorism, but it’s your freedom and your tax dollars at stake- not theirs. The history of the 20th century demonstrates that the Constitution is violated most egregiously during times of crisis. Many of our worst unconstitutional agencies and programs began during the two world wars and the Depression, when the public was anxious and willing to view government as a savior and protector. Ironically, the Constitution itself was conceived in a time of great crisis. The founders intended to place inviolable restrictions on what the federal government could do even in times of great distress. America must guard against current calls for government to violate the Constitution- meaning break the law- in the name of law enforcement.

The misnamed Patriot Act, presented to the public as an anti-terrorism measure, actually focuses on American citizens rather than foreign terrorists. For example, the definition of "terrorism" for federal criminal purposes has been greatly expanded; future administrations may consider you a terrorist if you belong to a pro-gun group, a citizen militia, or a pro-life organization. Legitimate protest against the government could place you (and tens of thousands of other Americans) under federal surveillance. Similarly, your internet use can be monitored without your knowledge, and your internet provider can be forced to hand over user information to law enforcement without a warrant or subpoena.

The biggest problem with these new law enforcement powers is that they bear little relationship to fighting terrorism. Surveillance powers are greatly expanded, while checks and balances on government are greatly reduced. Most of the provisions have been sought after by domestic law enforcement agencies for years, not to fight terrorism, but rather to increase their police power over the American people. The federal government has made no showing that it failed to detect or prevent the September 11th attacks because of the civil liberties that will be compromised by this new legislation.

America was founded by men who understood that the threat of domestic tyranny is as great as any threat from abroad. If we want to be worthy of their legacy, we must resist the rush toward ever-increasing state control of our society. Otherwise, our own government will become a greater threat to our freedoms than any foreign terrorist.
The Belgian gov't has obviously surrendered, but that doesn't mean the Belgian people have to roll over.

I think you should do what you want.

I just prefer to stay home, and not go out in the cold.

I will sleep in the New Year.

No choice with two youngsters however I prolly would choose to stay in with family and in any case, couldnt leave the dog cos we have more firworks for new year than we do for guys fawks and hes petrified of them..

so do we here, it gets louder every year and goes on for hours.When i was younger we never used to have firworks for new year, christmas someones burthday all the time like they do now.

lemon_and_mint;751042 wrote: so do we here, it gets louder every year and goes on for hours.When i was younger we never used to have firworks for new year, christmas someones burthday all the time like they do now.


dont get me started Lemon, its a huge bug bear with me:-5:-5:-5

i dont like fireworks, never have done, and now its not just for the pretty displays, they have to outdo each other with how loud they are.

Fireworks are illegal here in the States. The only fireworks displays that are legal are the huge ones done by professionals. Citizens can't buy them, or fire them off, you can and will be arrested if you do.

In California it is tightly enforced due to the fire hazards. Which is fine by me we are under a Red Flag warning today as the Santa Ana winds are back. The danger of fires is very high.

How i wish that was the case here Carla.I am sure chezzie will agree, you can see thugs throwing fireworks in public and hurting people here.

Hate fireworks cause they scare my kitty. We don't go out anymore on New Years as a choice, not because of feeling threatened by anybody, just seems it is a lot easier and less hassle than when we were younger.

L&M this is the very reason they are illegal here and the fire danger.

[QUOTE]How i wish that was the case here Carla.I am sure chezzie will agree, you can see thugs throwing fireworks in public and hurting people here.[/QUOTE]

a while back, they stopped a wet t shirt competion because of health & safety reasons In case the girls got a cold? But yet it is ok for anyone to buy fireworks here, and children, teenagers and adults are hurt every year by them:-2

I wonder what the real reason is they wont stop shops selling them or people buying them, somthing to do with money maybe? Seems money is always more important than life here.

dont start me kaz on health and saftey regulations it is getting ridiculous what you can and cant do now.That and what you cant say or do because of the pc brigade when the people who might just be offended dont care.

Why cant you recite bah bah black sheep?if the sheep is black, thats what it is, surely?Same as if the sheep was white, that would be the colour it was, surely?

lemon_and_mint;751092 wrote: dont start me kaz on health and saftey regulations it is getting ridiculous what you can and cant do now.That and what you cant say or do because of the pc brigade when the people who might just be offended dont care.

Why cant you recite bah bah black sheep?if the sheep is black, thats what it is, surely?Same as if the sheep was white, that would be the colour it was, surely?


well you do get black sheep:-3:D I agree its ridiculous

i was at a meeting once and they wasted half the meeting arguing as to whether it should be chairman or chairwoman or chairperson.

We have these issues here as well. It is over the top in my opinion and will soon stop just because it can't go on. George Carlin the comedian does a bit about "PC correctness" laugh oulload funny. It truly has gone to insane these days. :-5

[QUOTE]dont start me kaz on health and saftey regulations it is getting ridiculous what you can and cant do now.That and what you cant say or do because of the pc brigade when the people who might just be offended dont care.

Why cant you recite bah bah black sheep?if the sheep is black, thats what it is, surely?Same as if the sheep was white, that would be the colour it was, surely?[/QUOTE]

we, like many companies these times, arent allowed to put up a christms tree or tinsel at christmas like we used to do.And it is mostly muslims who ask us why and say they like to see us enjoying our own culture.

lemon_and_mint;751095 wrote: i was at a meeting once and they wasted half the meeting arguing as to whether it should be chairman or chairwoman or chairperson.


:wah::wah: death by committee, i have been there:-5:D

i read it in the express so may not be true, but apparently the sheep in the nursery rhyme cannot be black orwhite, so it is now "bah bah rainbow sheep", what the hell is a rainbow sheep?

lemon_and_mint;751103 wrote: i read it in the express so may not be true, but apparently the sheep in the nursery rhyme cannot be black orwhite, so it is now "bah bah rainbow sheep", what the hell is a rainbow sheep?


:wah::wah:omg that cant be true:rolleyes:

I stay within 20 minutes of home, and really could care less about going to a big party, we do family fun & games time until midnight....I like it much better than going out and watching people get drunk and puke all over the place...:rolleyes:

What about brushes? i mean they are alwys being called daft (daft as a brush) why is a brush daft? i dont think its fair to the brush community;):D

kazalala;751105 wrote: :wah::wah:omg that cant be true:rolleyes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4782856.stm

bbc report on rainbow sheep - in the express it said it was more widespread than in this artlicle.

WonderWendy3;751106 wrote: I stay within 20 minutes of home, and really could care less about going to a big party, we do family fun & games time until midnight....I like it much better than going out and watching people get drunk and puke all over the place...:rolleyes:


we are staying in tonight as well... watching dvd's and eating indian food:D ( had to phrase that right just in case giggles about):wah:

kazalala;751107 wrote: What about brushes? i mean they are alwys being called daft (daft as a brush) why is a brush daft? i dont think its fair to the brush community;):D


has basil complained?

That is insane and stupid. Do they think the kids don't know the color's of Sheep?? Classic example of over the top PC correctness. In reality how can they change a very old rhyme's words?? Sorry kids aren't going to buy "Rainbow Sheep" :wah:

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what the hell is a rainbow sheep?[/QUOTE]

lemon_and_mint;751112 wrote: has basil complained?


i think it has ben "brushed under the carpet"

CARLA;751114 wrote: That is insane and stupid. Do they think the kids don't know the color's of Sheep?? Classic example of over the top PC correctness. In reality how can they change a very old rhyme's words?? Sorry kids are going to buy "Rainbow Sheep" :wah:


It beggers belief dunnit:wah: oops sorry no offence meant to any beggers in the room:rolleyes:

kazalala;751116 wrote: i think it has ben "brushed under the carpet"


there was a whitewash!..........erm, blackwash..............erm, rainbow wash!

lemon_and_mint;751118 wrote: there was a whitewash!..........erm, blackwash..............erm, rainbow wash!


:wah::wah::rolleyes::D

heh heh...so funny :wah::wah: