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neffy, you've got your work out i'm afriad.

Owners 'giving rottweilers away'

rescue centre says it has been contacted by the owners of several rottweilers whose owners no longer want them after a boy was mauled to death.

Archie-Lee Hirst was killed at his grandparents' home in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, on Saturday.

Many Tears Rescue in Llanelli, Carmarthenshire, said it had taken in four rottweilers and had calls about a further nine it could not accommodate.

But owner Sylvia Van Atta said getting rid of dogs was a "knee-jerk" reaction.

Ms Van Atta said people had been calling to say: "We have grandchildren visiting, we can't possibly risk the dog.

"I asked: 'Has it done anything?' They said no."

No dog - rottweiler, poodle, bichon - should be left alone with a child - that is, to me, common sense and I think to any responsible dog owner.

Sue Denham, dog breeder

All the dogs were under two years old and from owners in the Swansea area who had them since they were puppies, she said.

Media reports about the death had focussed on the child and not given the "other side of the story," said Ms Van Atta.

She said: "Really, man has an awful lot to answer for in dog attacks that is not being addressed, not being published. The dogs get blamed for everything.

"People haven't learned about what to put in their sitting rooms. They don't understand dogs."



Archie-Lee Hirst's family are said to be "inconsolable"

Ms Van Atta said the blame lay with those who sold such dogs to "anybody", did not carry out background checks and sold them without stipulating they had to be castrated or spayed.

She added: "If you are going to have a dog that has a guarding instinct, give it nothing else to do, keep it on a chain, don't let it socialise... rottweilers know whether there is another dog in the house. All they can do is become territorial."

Sue Denham, from Llanybydder, Carmarthenshire, who has been breeding rottweilers for almost 20 years, said education was vital for owners.

But Ms Denham said that did not mean people would listen.

She said: "You do need to educate people. No dog - rottweiler, poodle, bichon - should be left alone with a child.

"That is, to me, common sense and I think to any responsible dog owner. They are an animal.

"And I don't think many people would put their young child in a field with a horse."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7165880.stm

Not good for sure. Still gets back to the owners not the dogs.

Any dog can chew a humans flesh in a heart beat. The bigger dogs just do it quicker and can hold on longer.

If I saw any dog in my garden I would hesitate to advance on it just knowing dogs nature. If they feel threatened they will attack, just as we do when we feel threatened.

Not the Dogs fault. It will have to be put down once they attack they will do it again.

Does anyone besides me notice that 9 out of 10 times the victim is a kid and usually under 5 years of age? To me this says something but none of these morons want to look past their blinders. There's a reason it's usually kids!!!

There have been two maulings in Oz over the holidays - one lead to the death of a baby. Very sad indeed.

Interestingly in one case, the dog dragged the baby from its cot. Now I love my dog, but I sure as heck won't let her have reign of the house and open, unsupervised access to a baby's room! Some breeds do seem to be more aggessive than others, but the owners also have to take responsibility and realise that when you bring a baby into your house, your life will change.... and this may include life with your dog.

I dearly love animals. I just would not have one of those dogs because of all the uncertainty with having them. I guess they seem to attack little kids the most, but who needs this? I do feel sorry for the dogs because they have been given this bad rap, but I don't think I would want to have one around one of my grand kids. Stepping off my soap box now.:-3

moonpie;751533 wrote: I dearly love animals. I just would not have one of those dogs because of all the uncertainty with having them. I guess they seem to attack little kids the most, but who needs this? I do feel sorry for the dogs because they have been given this bad rap, but I don't think I would want to have one around one of my grand kids. Stepping off my soap box now.:-3


While I certainly respect your opinion - have you noticed that the dog involved in this attack was running loose and the child involved in the attack over the weekend was not being attended by an adult, but another child.

Again, I understand why you feel the way you do, but when you stop and look at the numbers, you would see that the number of rottweilers involved in a bite (which is much more common than a fatal attack) is less then 1% of the rottweilers registered in England. You are much more likely to be strunk by lightning then attacked by a dog - more likely to be struck by lightning twice then be attacked by a rottweiler.

It really saddens me that the media has done such a fabulous job making these absolutely wonderful dogs look like viscious killers. Nothing could be further from the truth.

While I respect your opinion, the Rotweiller is too unpredictable for me. Thats the stand I take on that, and you have your opinion too. I now am a little leary of dogs.

well what can i say the reports are not sure if it was a rottweiler! so i am not saying to much at the moment:-1

The thing is, it's not that Rotts bite/attack people.

It's that DOGS CAN bite/attack people.

One of the dogs (statistically speaking) at the top of the list for biting is the cocker spaniel. I've had three myself with no incidents but that may be because I used common sense with them.

I don't leave little kids around ANY pet of mine, mostly because I fear what the kid could do to the pet. Kids are known to climb on, pull ears and tails, poke eyes, take away food or toys, screech and squeal at earsplitting volume and generally be a big inappropriate problem around animals. Lots of adults think this crappy behavior is cute but it is not. It is wrong and you need to train your kid to be respectful around animals as much as you need to train your dog to be a respectful dog.

Dogs don't attack people, people do. If owners don't exercise their right to keep dogs then the government will erode our liberties. We'd end up defenceless in the face of criminals.

I'd never leave dogs lying around where children could find them and touch them unsupervised. When I'm not using them they stay locked up. I trained my kids how to handle dogs safely but they still have to wait for an adult before taking them out and they know not to take them to school to show off with.

(RedGlitter;751522 wrote: Does anyone besides me notice that 9 out of 10 times the victim is a kid and usually under 5 years of age? To me this says something but none of these morons want to look past their blinders. There's a reason it's usually kids!!!


I said the same sort of thing over in the other thread .



12-30-2007, 07:47 AM #26

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As someone whos owned Rotts for years it saddens me to think they will one day be classed as Dangerous dogs . I don't know all the details about the lastest attack but for most of the ones i do remember nearly everyone had something to do with young kids being left unsupervised around the dog . __________________

Can go from 0 - to bitch in 3.0 seconds .



Inexperienced owners or irresponsible parents, the words could be used for either . Kids and Dogs should never be left alone together unsupervised IMO.

RedGlitter;751629 wrote: The thing is, it's not that Rotts bite/attack people.

It's that DOGS CAN bite/attack people.

One of the dogs (statistically speaking) at the top of the list for biting is the cocker spaniel. I've had three myself with no incidents but that may be because I used common sense with them.

I don't leave little kids around ANY pet of mine, mostly because I fear what the kid could do to the pet. Kids are known to climb on, pull ears and tails, poke eyes, take away food or toys, screech and squeal at earsplitting volume and generally be a big inappropriate problem around animals. Lots of adults think this crappy behavior is cute but it is not. It is wrong and you need to train your kid to be respectful around animals as much as you need to train your dog to be a respectful dog.


I have 3 young children and a Rottie (kia) and my 2 eldest play with kia all the time, yeah, they run around screaching and they can climb on her....i Don't call that "crapy" behaviour....it's called playing and you know what, Kia loves it when they play like that. I'm always around, just incase kia ever got over excited but she hasn't done yet, they just tire eachother out.......So i don't see my children as an "inappropriate probem" to the dog.

kinks;751662 wrote: I have 3 young children and a Rottie (kia) and my 2 eldest play with kia all the time, yeah, they run around screaching and they can climb on her....i Don't call that "crapy" behaviour....it's called playing and you know what, Kia loves it when they play like that. I'm always around, just incase kia ever got over excited but she hasn't done yet, they just tire eachother out.......So i don't see my children as an "inappropriate probem" to the dog.


here here Kinks...........

well i have just come back from a lovely long walk with my jj and everyone who was there also with there dogs had nothing but praise for jj.

My jj is a 10 stone rottie with a bigger heart and and he loves people and other dogs,i would love anyone to how he was playing with this little dog today which could of not weighed no more than a bag of sugar,jj was so gentle and just full of fun.

I will always have rottweilers they are very loving,loyal and love being with there famliy,is it fair that we judge so quickly bloody hell if the goverment beleved everything that has been written rotties i would of lost my 2 by now,and just think how unfair is that.

There is a guy who lives around the corner from us,he is a drug dealer all around bad sort.He owns this huge bull mastiff,it is very agressive,he has ill treated it and made it that way.What worries me is it often eats a hole in the back gate and escapes,it already bit an adult but was not reported what if next time it is a child.Of course it is not the dogs fault,it is the thick and irresponsible owner.Will he be put down???

Every dog organisation in the country will tell you 'never leave young children alone with ANY dog'.

You would not leave a 1 year old child in the kitchen with a cooker on, or in the bathroom with a full bath, or near a open window, or at the top of the stairs, or in the garden with a pond, or in the garden with an unlocked gate, or with the front door open.

So why on earth would you allow a dog and a 1 year old child to be in the garden together without adult supervision?

The owners of the dog should be prosecuted for not supervising it adequately.

The parents should be prosecuted for neglect of their child.

Neither will happen of course because ignorance, stupidity, laziness that leads to neglect of children is not considered seriously enough to lead to charges in this country.

Instead we will have the ill-informed witch hunt of another dog breed, when the real culprits in this affair get sympathy and comfort ensuring that nobody learns from this and further irresponsible dog owner's and neglectful parents will continue taking chances with childrens lives.

Dogs in responsible hands are perfectly safe, whatever the breed.

Unfortunately in this country ignorance and stupidity ensure that many owners are irresponsible as well as a danger to children and their own dogs.

Mia;751769 wrote: There is a guy who lives around the corner from us,he is a drug dealer all around bad sort.He owns this huge bull mastiff,it is very agressive,he has ill treated it and made it that way.What worries me is it often eats a hole in the back gate and escapes,it already bit an adult but was not reported what if next time it is a child.Of course it is not the dogs fault,it is the thick and irresponsible owner.Will he be put down???


Yes, he will most likely be put down.

Please, please, please - report this dog to the authorities any time you see it running loose! The laws that are on the books have no hopes of being upheld (and hopefully preventing another bite) if the police/animal control are unaware that certain dogs are a problem.

Our laws are different to yours Sandi.The dog has to have an attack reported before anything is done. Believe you me I would have done something about it long ago.Also Bull Mastiffs do not come under the banned dogs breed only pit bulls Akitas and the such.

As a five year old child I was bitten on the face by a dog - a terrier type that my nan was looking after while the owner was on holiday. Just a small bite, no scar and I was fine.



I wasn't used to being around dogs, we didn't have any pets at home because of asthma allergys. He bit me because I tried to stroke him when he was asleep, I wasn't being supervised - I'd just gone through the room he was in to use the toilet. This taught me to respect dogs I don't know and also to be a bit wary. That I have passed on to my kids.



Over the years the vast majority of dogs I have had contact with have been wonderful friends and companions, loyal, friendly and tolerent of children.



But any dog could harm a child and children should be supervised especially when the dog is so powerful. You don't walk out of a room and leave a child with sharp knives or a box of matches so why leave them with another potential source of harm?



Dogs get p*ssed off too, dogs can get fed up with kids aggravating them they just can tell the kids to buzz off like we can - it isn't always the dogs fault.

Mia;751769 wrote: There is a guy who lives around the corner from us,he is a drug dealer all around bad sort.He owns this huge bull mastiff,it is very agressive,he has ill treated it and made it that way.What worries me is it often eats a hole in the back gate and escapes,it already bit an adult but was not reported what if next time it is a child.Of course it is not the dogs fault,it is the thick and irresponsible owner.Will he be put down???


He sounds like he should be put down, and then perhaps someone more responsible will look after the dog.

lemon_and_mint;751784 wrote: He sounds like he should be put down, and then perhaps someone more responsible will look after the dog.


AMEN!!!

i am thinking of setting up a thread called "the rotties den" on here what do you all think?

neffy;751796 wrote: i am thinking of setting up a thread called "the rotties den" on here what do you all think?


That sounds like a nice idea Neffers :-6

Happy New Year hun :-4

neffy;751796 wrote: i am thinking of setting up a thread called "the rotties den" on here what do you all think?


Can we post pictures of our rott'n ones?

You guys who think it's cute for your kids to climb all over your dog and that your dogs loves it are part of the problem. Teach kids how to RESPECT dogs and you will have less incidents. I've actually had parents say to me "I want a dog my kid can ride like a pony and tug on and stuff- how bout a golden retriever, I hear they're good?" These are people who have no business having dogs. If a kid thinks it's okay to climb on Rover, and then tries to climb on some other dog and gets bitten, just whose fault is that? You may take offense to what I'm saying but in the interest of dogs everywhere, it needs to be said.

My children have been brought to love all animals. They know how to care for them and show nothing but love for them. Josh is very passionate about animal abuse and preventing it. He cries whenever he sees or reads about any kind of abuse to animals. I know they would never hurt any animal. They are not allowed to climb on them or torment them.

Our pets love us and we love them. :-4

:yh_clap:yh_clap Thank you RG my thoughts exactly. Horses are for riding not Dogs.



[QUOTE]You guys who think it's cute for your kids to climb all over your dog and that your dogs loves it are part of the problem. Teach kids how to RESPECT dogs and you will have less incidents. I've actually had parents say to me "I want a dog my kid can ride like a pony and tug on and stuff- how bout a golden retriever, I hear they're good?" These are people who have no business having dogs. If a kid thinks it's okay to climb on Rover, and then tries to climb on some other dog and gets bitten, just whose fault is that? You may take offense to what I'm saying but in the interest of dogs everywhere, it needs to be said.[/QUOTE]

i ahve requested a "the rotties den " from admin so fingers crossed

I do love and respect my dog. I am very much an animal lover and i wouldn't do anything to hurt another animal, and i would never put my children in harms way.

My dog does love to play like that, if she didn't, then i'm sure she wouldn't get excited and start licking my son.

Also, they are warey of other dogs because that is what i've tought them, they never go stroke another dog unless i know the other dog and i say it's ok.

neffy;751846 wrote: i ahve requested a "the rotties den " from admin so fingers crossed


Good luck hun, fingers crossed for you

right peeps i need your support on this new forum pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee

neffy;751948 wrote: right peeps i need your support on this new forum pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee


Have you got it then chick? if so,where?